Compilation of comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany.

[Formozgan]

The passive-aggressive Stockholm syndrome Israelis display has always caused me a great deal of curiosity and often makes me think humanity can not learn from their mistakes.

In this thread I will post various comparisons between Nazi Germany and Israel, I will start with pictures:

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[Anglojew]

If Israel were Nazis then there'd be no Israeli Arabs and no Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza

[Anglojew]

Many of those photos are clearly not Palestinians. There's Asian babies for a start.

[Formozgan]

If Israel were Nazis then there'd be no Israeli Arabs and no Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza

I'm impressed by this short piece of advanced yehood logic. If Nazis were really bad there would have been no Jew Ghettos in Poland, no Auschwitz, no Treblinka and subsequently no Israel.

[Formozgan]

Israel closer to NAZI GERMANY than Iran is



Jerusalem - Today is International Holocaust Remembrance Day, supposedly a time for somber reflection on one of the most horrific episodes of ethnic cleansing and genocide in human history.

But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has once again used the solemn day to falsely link the Holocaust with Iran and threaten war against a nation that has not initiated one since the 1700s.

"Anti-Semitism has not disappeared and... neither has the desire to destroy a considerable part of the Jewish people and the State of Israel," Netanyahu, who was narrowly reelected earlier this week, said. "Iran... today... is the leader of Holocaust-denial while preparing for what they deem to be another Holocaust-- the destruction of the state of the Jews."
Netanyahu then spoke of Iran's "relentless and systematic" efforts to develop nuclear weapons, willfully ignoring the assessments of his own defense minister and military chief of staff, as well as the outgoing American defense secretary, all of whom agree that Iran is not trying to build nukes.
"We do not make light of these threats and we will prevent them," Netanyahu said, clearly referring to Iran. "The root of the issue today, International Holocaust Remembrance Day, is not what happened, but how we can prevent it from happening again and this depends on the ability and the determination of the state of the Jews to defend itself against those who would destroy it."
This isn't the first time Netanyahu has spuriously linked Iran to the Holocaust. "Iran is Germany, and it's 1938," he declared back in 2006. If that had been the case, it would now be 1945, and Iran's Jews would be ashes and bleached bones. Instead, 25,000 of them live peacefully in the Islamic Republic. Iran's Jewish community is the largest in the Middle East outside of Israel. There is a Jewish member of the Iranian parliament (who condemns Israeli crimes against Gaza), a Jewish newspaper and 11 synagogues in Tehran alone. There are kosher restaurants and Hebrew schools. Jewish burial rites and other laws are recognized by the nation's Islamic courts. There are Jews in the military. Israeli officials and some Jewish leaders in the United States have long urged Iran's Jews to emigrate, but few have done so, despite being free to leave. The ones who have left have done so overwhelmingly for financial, not religious, reasons. Life is far from perfect for Jews-- or anyone-- living under a totalitarian regime run by Islamic fundamentalists, but it's far from pre-Holocaust Germany.
But what about Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's vow to "wipe Israel off the map," you ask? What about it? The simple truth is that he never uttered those words, a fact publicly acknowledged by Israel's deputy prime minister.
Since Netanyahu likes to link Nazi Germany and Iran, I feel obligated in the name of truth to argue that for its entire modern existence, Israel's behavior has been far closer to that of the Nazis than has Iran's. I know this is a highly controversial, even inflammatory, assertion, but I am prepared to defend it with irrefutable facts.
The modern Israeli state was founded and secured largely upon terrorism and ethnic cleansing, as was Nazi Germany. The territory that is now Israel was less than 10 percent Jewish from ancient times until well into the 20th century. In order to create their state, Zionist Jews employed a variety of tactics, both legal and otherwise. After the Ottoman empire fell at the end of World War I, the British wrested control of Palestine and ruled it for 30 years. In order to drive out the British-- as well as the indigenous Arabs who stood in the way of the Jewish state they desired, Zionist militants carried out a campaign of terror bombings and assassinations. They even accidentally killed hundreds of Jews while blowing up a ship full of Holocaust refugees. These were not fringe groups that carried out these attacks, they were led by future prime ministers who are today hailed as heroes by Israelis who proudly celebrate some of their deadliest attacks.
As Jews celebrated the independence of their new state in May 1948, one of the great ethnic cleansing campaigns of the postwar period was already well underway as more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were forced from their homeland, never to return. This was well-planned, and it was sometimes accomplished by massacres that for sheer barbarism rivaled those of Hitler's SS. Yes, Arabs also committed atrocities against Jews, but they did so in the context of defending their homes and families against Zionist usurpation and ethnic cleansing.
Today, Israel continues to act much more like Nazi Germany than Iran does. There is illegal occupation in the face of international condemnation. The majority of Israelis support apartheid policies and actions that prominent international and Israeli observers as well as survivors of South African apartheid say are worse than those which oppressed Nelson Mandela (who also condemns Israel's apartheid) and his countrymen. There is ongoing ethnic cleansing and colonization as Zionist settlers seek their own lebensraum in the occupied West Bank. There are brutal blitzkriegs against vastly overpowered neighbors resulting in large numbers of innocent deaths. There is widespread racism and religious leaders who vilify Arabs as something less than human. There is the crushing physical and economic oppression and daily humiliation that are facts of life for millions of occupied Palestinian men, women and children.
On this, International Holocaust Remembrance Day, it is only fitting that we listen to the voices of some Holocaust survivors who say that Israel is acting very much like those Nazis who tried to exterminate them.
Suzanne Weiss, who was a little girl when her parents were killed as the Nazis occupied France, said:
""The Palestinians are the victims of ethnic cleansing and apartheid. The Israeli government's actions toward the Palestinians awaken horrific memories of my family's experiences under Hitlerism: the inhuman walls, the checkpoints, the daily humiliations, killings, diseases, the systematic deprivation. There's no escaping the fact that Israel has occupied the entire country of Palestine, and taken most of the land, while the Palestinians have been expelled, walled off and deprived of human rights and human dignity." "
Hedy Epstein, whose parents were killed in a Nazi death camp, said:
""When I stood next to that terrible 25-foot-high cement wall that Israel has built, separating Palestinian from Palestinian, I thought, My God, is this what Jews are doing, the Jews that were forced behind walls, they are building a wall, and putting Palestinians behind that wall, and in the process destroying Palestinian buildings, homes, wells, but never hope.""
Epstein decried American Jews "for whom Israel is always the victim, and the Palestinians are always the terrorists. They don't really understand, they don't really ask questions, and they don't really know what is truly going on."
Dr. Hajo Meyer, who survived 10 months in the Auschwitz concentration camp, said:
""The Israelis tried to dehumanize the Palestinians, just like the Nazis tried to dehumanize me. Nobody should dehumanize any other and those who try to dehumanize another are not human." "
Incredibly, Dr. Meyer has been called a "disgrace," a "self-hating Jew" and even an "anti-Semite" by Zionist apologists, a trick used by many Israelis and their backers to deflect legitimate criticism of real crimes. For surely the irony of a people who were victims of one of the worst ethnic cleansings in history turning around and subjecting a completely innocent people to the same sort of repression has not been lost on Israel's leaders. But it is far easier to accuse frail, old Jews like Dr. Meyer of "abusing his position as a Holocaust survivor."
It is Benjamin Netanyahu who is abusing the memory of the Holocaust and its victims by speciously linking Iran to the slaughter of six million Jews in order to further a dubious agenda of regional hegemony. Just like Hitler played on German fears and prejudices, so Netanyahu does with his people. If we must compare one of the two leaders or nations to Hitler and the Third Reich, it is not Ahmadinejad and Iran, it is Netanyahu and Israel. Instead of relentlessly parroting "never again," Zionists would do well to recognize that their Jewish state was established and is maintained by some of the very same policies and actions that caused so much death and suffering for their own people.

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/342233#ixzz2bfom3tDd

[Formozgan]

Many of those photos are clearly not Palestinians. There's Asian babies for a start.

All Palestinians are Asians.

[Mraz]

The guy who says Iran is close to Nazi Germany is obviously a Zionist or an idiot, Jews are free in Iran and this for centuries.

[Formozgan]

The guy who says Iran is close to Nazi Germany is obviously a Zionist or an idiot, Jews are free in Iran and this for centuries.

Indeed my friend. But as you should know, the one who said that was actually a governor of Israel, so both a Zionist and an idiot.

[Formozgan]

israel act like nazis


auschwitz survivor: ‘israel acts like nazis’

exclusive: Graeme murray and chris watt
sunday 24 january 2010

one of the last remaining auschwitz survivors has launched a blistering attack on israel over its occupation of palestine as he began a lecture tour of scotland.

dr hajo meyer, 86, who survived 10 months in the nazi death camp, spoke out as his 10-day tour of the uk and ireland – taking in three scottish venues – got under way.

Dr meyer also attended hearings at edinburgh sheriff court on thursday, where five pro-palestine campaigners are accused of racially aggravated conduct after disrupting a concert by the jerusalem quartet at the city’s queen’s hall.

speaking as his tour got under way, dr meyer said there were parallels between the treatment of jews by germans in the second world war and the current treatment of palestinians by israelis.

He said: “the israelis tried to dehumanise the palestinians, just like the nazis tried to dehumanise me. Nobody should dehumanise any other and those who try to dehumanise another are not human.

“it may be that israel is not the most cruel country in the world … but one thing i know for sure is that israel is the world champion in pretending to be civilised and cultured.”

dr meyer was born in 1924 in bielefeld, germany. He was not allowed to attend school there after november 1938. He then fled to the netherlands, alone. In 1944, after a year in the underground, he was caught by the gestapo and survived 10 months at auschwitz concentration camp in poland.

He now lives in the netherlands, and is the author of three books on judaism, the holocaust and zionism.

Dr meyer also insisted the definition of “anti-semitic” had now changed, saying: “formerly an anti-semite was somebody who hated jews because they were jews and had a jewish soul. but nowadays an anti-semite is somebody who is hated by jews.”

a spokesman for the international jewish anti-zionist network, of which dr meyer is a member, said criticising israel was “not the same” as criticising jews.

Mick napier, scottish palestine solidarity campaign chairman and one of the five demonstrators facing charges when the court case continues in march, said: “palestinians are happy to have him as an ally in their cause.

“hajo knows that israel has a long history of abusing the tragic history of the holocaust in order to suppress legitimate criticism of its own crimes.

“especially since gaza, people are no longer taken in by their claim that anyone that criticises israel is anti-semitic.”

dr meyer’s claims met with a furious reaction from pro-israel groups, who branded him “a disgrace”.

Jonathan hoffman, co-vice-chairman of the zionist federation, said: “i shall be telling him he is abusing his status as a survivor, and i shall be telling him that if israel had been created 10 years earlier, millions of lives might have been saved.

“whether he is a survivor or not, to use nazi comparisons in relation to israel’s policies is anti-semitic, unquestionably.”

the tour was cynically timed, mr hoffman added, to coincide with holocaust memorial day on january 27.

Dr ezra golombok, scottish spokesman for the israel information office, accused the anti-zionist lobby of “exploiting” dr meyer, who he described as someone “who’s got into a situation he doesn’t understand”.

“this is a propaganda exercise by mick napier and his friends, and nothing more. It’s preposterous to compare israel with nazi tactics.”

the lecture series, entitled never again – for anyone, continues until january 30.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/auschwitz-survivor-israel-acts-like-nazis-1.1000918

[Shah-Jehan]

Excellent thread, Most Jews here are overtly hateful against Arabs, people professing Islam or anti-Zionists in general, some try to provide credible arguments while others use stupid emoticons or use the old catchphrase of calling them an "anti-Semite"...Formozgan, I must say you're an excellent poster:tongue:

[Formozgan]

Comparisons between Nazism and Israel, unlike most modernZionists think; are nothing new:

British Mandate boss said Jews were ‘like Nazis’


TA) — The British High Commissioner of Palestine viewed Jewish fighters there in the 1940s as analogous to Nazis, newly published records show.

On April 30, 1948, Alan Cunningham wrote to his superiors that as the Jews celebrated military successes, their “broadcasts, both in content and in manner of delivery, are remarkably like those of Nazi Germany." In another report, he said that the Jews were prepared for statehood and an “all-out offensive” with “all the equipment of a totalitarian regime."

The reports were made public this week as part of a release of colonial administration records by the National Archives in London, the Jewish Chronicle of London reported Friday. A week before the British departure from Mandate Palestine, the High Commissioner mistakenly believed that “all the ingredients of a successful truce were present,” the documents also showed.

Alan wrote on April 30 that the Arabs’ “much vaunted liberation army” was “poorly equipped and badly led." He wrote, “In almost every engagement the Jews have proved their superiority in organisation, training and tactics.”


Read more: http://www.jta.org/2013/04/26/news-opinion/world/british-mandate-boss-said-jews-were-like-nazis#ixzz2bi1EsxSH

[Formozgan]

When a jewish extremist talks like a Nazi


File this away under “What if this were a Muslim…?” Shimon Gapso, mayor of the Israeli city of Upper Nazareth, has recently published an article for Ha’aretz in which he lays bare his racist and extremist religious ideology. Gapso implicitly endorses a policy of ethnic cleansing, and defends his statements calling for the “Judaization” of his city.

The article is entitled “If you think I’m a racist, then Israel is a racist state.” Well, as they say, if the shoe fits… Zionist ideology is, after all, rooted in the belief that the land of Palestine must be Jewish, an ideal that could/can only be fulfilled by replacing the indigenous Arab population with a Jewish one. Israel is, as Mr. Gapso says, a racist state.

Gapso in the past has supported ethnic cleansing initiatives. He has opposed the creation of a single Arab school, Muslim cemetery, or mosque in the city. (I thought only Saudi Arabia had this problem?)

Here is Shimon Gapso’s article with my commentary inserted in between:

If you think I’m a racist, then Israel is a racist state

Upper Nazareth’s mayor answers detractors who say his reelection campaign calling for the mixed city to be ‘Jewish forever’ is racist.

by Shimon Gapso

Over the past few days, many people have been calling me a racist. Sometimes they also call me a Nazi, a bully or even Hitler. One need only look at the comments on Haaretz’s website to put me before a firing squad. What’s my crime? What act of bullying did I commit? I made a clear and unequivocal statement that Upper Nazareth was a Jewish city.

Yes, the comparison to Nazis and Hitler is acceptable here, despite what a distorted view of Godwin’s Law would claim. Extremist Zionists routinely invoke Nazi and Hitler comparisons to Arab and Muslim leaders, but God forbid anyone say that of a Zionist.

Imagine if a Texan were to say that Texas ought to remain “white forever.” This would be something only an Aryan racist would say–and nobody would think twice about likening this to the Nazis or Hitler.

One could claim that “white” is a race, while Jewish is not. This is of course the game that is always played. When convenient, Jewish is used as a race; when convenient, as a religion. But, would anyone call it anything other than extremism of the worst sort for someone to claim that Georgia should remain “Christian forever”?

Shimon Gapso continues:

Yes — I’m not afraid to say it out loud, to write it and add my signature, or declare it in front of the cameras: Upper Nazareth is a Jewish city and it’s important that it remains so. If that makes me a racist, then I’m a proud offshoot of a glorious dynasty of “racists” that started with the “Covenant of the Pieces” [that God made with Abraham, recounted in Genesis 15:1–15] and the explicitly racist promise: “To your seed I have given this land” [Genesis 15:38].

When the Jewish people were about to return to their homeland after a long journey from slavery in Egypt, where they were enslaved for racist reasons, the God of Israel told Moses how to act upon conquering the land: he must cleanse the land of its current inhabitants. “But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then those of them whom you allow to remain… as I thought to do to them, so will I do to you” [Numbers 33:55–56].

God gave them an explicit warning. Yes, the racist Joshua conquered the land in a racist manner. More than 3,000 years later, the Jewish people stood bruised and bleeding on the threshold of their land, seeking once again to take possession of it from the wild tribes that had seized the land in its absence. And then, an outbreak of racism flooded the country.

We are constantly reminded by the so-called “Islam experts” (who just happen to almost always be staunch pro-Israeli hawks) that it is only Muslims who take the violent parts of their scripture literally in the modern day and age. Meanwhile, we are told that Jews and Christians don’t do this. Pseudo-scholar Robert Spencer writes on p.31 of his book The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades):

When modern-day Jews and Christians read their Bibles, they simply don’t interpret the passages cited as exhorting them to violent actions against unbelievers. This is due to the influence of centuries of interpretive traditions that have moved away from literalism regarding these passages.

In fact, I have cited studies that have shown that the majority of believers take the Bible to be literally true and the Word of God. And, here we have an Israeli mayor referring to the bloodiest parts of the Bible in order to justify a policy of ethnic cleansing. In previous articles, I have documented the Bible’s extensive justifications for ethnic cleansing, and Shimon Gapso is invoking these as a proof for a modern day policy of such.

Gapso is not a lone voice. In fact, a majority of Israelis believe in a policy of ethnic cleansing. This is not idle talk. From its very inception, the state of Israel has engaged in ethnic cleansing.

This is the height of religious extremism. It is a major problem facing the Jewish community today. We are told by the pro-Israel “Islam experts” that Muslims have a problem of religious extremism–why aren’t moderate Muslims speaking out?, we are constantly asked. But, how come we hardly ever hear these people asking why more Jewish people aren’t speaking out against Jewish extremism and supremacism in Israel?

To be clear, there are plenty of prominent Jews who are speaking out against Jewish extremism and supremacism. The reactions to Gapso’s article are a proof of this. But, just to set the record straight: the vast majority of Muslims on earth oppose the views of their religious extremists–and condemn terrorism in the name of Islam. Yet, a very large proportion of the Jewish community seems to support Zionism and, by virtue of this, end up endorsing certain racist religious views in regard to the establishment of a Jewish state in a land that was, up until the turn of the century, inhabited primarily by non-Jews.

The point here is not to demonize the Jewish community. The truth is that even though far too many Jews are Zionists, it is also a fact that the people who have done the most to stand up to extremist Zionism have in fact been Jews themselves.

The lesson to be learned here, however, is that it is unfair to single out the Muslim faith and community as the only one suffering from a religious extremism problem.

Back to Shimon Gapso’s article (with emphasis added):

The racist Theodor Herzl wrote “Der Judenstaat” (“The Jewish State,” not “The State of All Its Citizens”). Lord Balfour recommended the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people. David Ben-Gurion, Chaim Arlosoroff, Moshe Sharett and other racists established the Jewish Agency, and the racist UN decided to establish a Jewish state — in other words, a state for Jews. The racist Ben-Gurion announced the establishment of the Jewish State in the Land of Israel, and during the War of Independence even made sure to bring in hundreds of thousands of Jews and drive out hundreds of thousands of Arabs who had been living here — all to enable it to be founded with the desired racist character.

How refreshing it is to hear some cold, hard truth about the matter: the Jewish state engaged in the systematic ethnic cleansing of “hundreds of thousands of Arabs.” This campaign–which continues in a modified form to this very day–was sustained by religious extremism. What is interesting as well is that this absolutely absurd religious idea–that God gave the Jews the land of Israel–is championed even by many secular Jews. Such is the endemic problem of this racist and extremist idea.

Gapso continues:

Since then, racially pure kibbutzim without a single Arab member and an army that protects a certain racial strain have been established, as have political parties that proudly bear racist names such as “Habayit Hayehudi” — “the Jewish home.” Even our racist national anthem ignores the existence of the Arab minority — in other words, the people Ben-Gurion did not manage to expel in the 1948 war. If not for all that “racism,” it’s doubtful we could live here, and doubtful that we could live at all.

In these times of hypocrisy and bleeding-heart sanctimoniousness, of the proliferation of flaky types who are disconnected from reality, in the relative security that causes us to forget the dangers we face, we can sit in north Tel Aviv, and cry “racism” to seem enlightened and good-hearted in our own eyes. We can be shocked at a mayor who prefers that his city, which is right next to the largest Arab city in Israel, retain a Jewish majority and not be swallowed up in the Arab area that surrounds it. There will not be a single Jew in the future Palestinian state, but that’s all right. That isn’t racism.

For the record, even Hamas has stated that in their “ideal Islamic state” Christians and Jews would be allowed to live in it.

Gapso gives this disclaimer:

Upper Nazareth is a Jewish city. Fewer than one-fifth of its inhabitants are Arab citizens, and they enjoy full municipal and national rights. Many of them are friends of mine, and I like and respect many of them.

This is of course the necessary disclaimer of “I have black friends, so I can’t possibly be racist against blacks.”

Gapso concludes:

I could wish that Jews were treated the way the Arabs of Upper Nazareth are — not only those Jews who lived in Europe of times past, but also those who live in the Arab countries of today. If that were the case, perhaps we of Upper Nazareth would have no need to be “racists.”

Herein is revealed the fundamental flaw in Zionism–and what makes the comparisons to Nazism reasonable. It was the Nazi viewpoint that Jews could not live in Europe with non-Jews that led to the Holocaust. Instead of disagreeing with this baseless argument and calling for racial and religious harmony in Europe, Zionists argued that Jews could not ever hope to live with non-Jews in safety. According to this defeatist view, Jews must segregate themselves into their own state, and that’s why Shimon Gapso has to Judaize his city (and all of Israel). The only way Jews can be safe, according to the Bible’s violent verses and bigoted modern day Zionism, is to cleanse the land of Gentiles–whoever (supposedly) worships a different god, speaks a different language, or has a different religious or ethnic background.

Martin Luther King Jr. didn’t buy into the argument that blacks could not live with whites in peace and harmony. In spite of the horrific violence levied against his people and his own person, Dr. King rejected Marcus Garvey’s “Back-to-Africa” ideology. Such an ideology–which endorses the idea that a racial or religious group must live only among its own people–is a pernicious one. It’s dangerous whether it is held by whites, blacks, Jews, Christians, or Muslims. Instead of believing this segregationist idea, we must all learn to live together.

We must also learn not to unfairly single out one religion over another. All religious traditions have their extremists. This includes Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. He is a fool whoever takes Shimon Gapso’s views and actions as being synonymous with Judaism and the Jewish community overall. Likewise, so too are those fools who take this or that extremist Muslim’s views and actions as representative of Islam or the Muslim community at large.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2013/08/when-a-jewish-extremist-talks-like-a-nazi/

[Sblast]

No amount of garbage makes a gem.
Presenting pictures you have not the slightest idea of their content (one picture is a religious Jewish settlers smashed by a horse, but it looks 'good') or context, is not making a point, it's a tool for creating negative associations (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well), the more the further the demonization.

[Formozgan]

No amount of garbage makes a gem.
Presenting pictures you have not the slightest idea of their content (one picture is a religious Jewish settlers smashed by a horse, but it looks 'good') or context, is not making a point, it's a tool for creating negative associations (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well), the more the further the demonization.

The pictures are not the main point. I have also posted several articles. The main point is the excessive mirroring in your way of acting from that of Nazi Germany.

[Sblast]

The pictures are not the main point. I have also posted several articles. The main point is the excessive mirroring in your way of acting from that of Nazi Germany.

Do you wear shirts and drink water? "like Nazis". It's not just mirriong that you are implying is it? Say it explicitly.
Because what is seems is what you are trying to do is emotional transfer and in a cheap sloppy way. Of course the pictuers (the way your'e trying to base your point) isn't the point, it's the conclusion you already hold that matters, the way you get there dosen't concern you as long as you do. As far as copy paste goes, no amount of quantity makes quality, show me what you fins convincing in them.

[Formozgan]

Do you wear shirts and drink water? "like Nazis". It's not just mirriong that you are implying is it? Say it explicitly.
Because what is seems is what you are trying to do is emotional transfer and in a cheap sloppy way. Of course the pictuers (the way your'e trying to base your point) isn't the point, it's the conclusion you already hold that matters, the way you get there dosen't concern you as long as you do. As far as copy paste goes, no amount of quantity makes quality, show me what you fins convincing in them.

Yes, similar methods of war, ethnic cleansing, Apartheid, discrimination and relocation are obviously a superficial similarity such as drinking water or wearing a t-shirt. Interesting way of simplifying things.


There is a danger in overstating the importance of a nation, and understanding the importance of an individual. This is what happens in extreme Nationalism. The two modern cases of extreme nationalism are Nazi Germany and Modern Israel. The similarities are eerie.

Extreme nationalism identifies one type of person as a “citizen” of the nation and excludes all other nations, ethnic groups and societies as inferior humans. In both Nazi Germany and Modern Israel, these beliefs are strongly rooted in the misconception that their Citizens are smarter, more pure, and chosen by god.

The lines crossed by a culture, when it becomes an extremist nationalistic society are : Occupation, Deprivation, Destruction, and Denial

Occupation is the taking of another sovereign country with the intention of ruling that country as lord and master for eternity. Nazi Germany did this when invading other European countries, and Israel did this in the invasions of Egypt and Palestine.

Deprivation is the act of removing civil, economic, and human rights from all “non-citizens” both in your own country and in the countries you occupy. This is the master / slave mentality of an extreme Nationalistic state.

Destruction is the unlawful and heartless demolition of privately owned property of “non-citizens” under the nationalistic law.

Denial is the act of ignoring public opinion globally. It is the mentality that the world does not understand your master race and any comments made by its leaders are meaningless.

In the comparisons of Nazi Germany to Modern Israel, the following similarities on each of the traits above can be shown historically.

Occupation : Here are the maps of expansionism of Nazi Germany and Modern Israel from their original sovereign land into the lands of other sovereign countries.

Here are the lawful borders of Israel
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png

Before Nationalism caused them to occupy other countries.

Here are the borders of Israel as seen by its own nationalistic citizens today.
http://www.thirdtemple.com/images/israel-map/israel.jpg

Here is a map of Nazi Germany before Nationalism:
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/ralimage/map36wii.jpg
Here are the borders of Nazi Germany as seen by its own nationalistic citizens at the height of its power:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/images/1942euro.gif

Deprivation (While the acts are similar, the main difference is that Nazi Germany acted in one night, where Modern Israel has acted over 40 years to conduct sweeping deprivation of non-jews)

Israel:

“admissions committees” to disallow non-jew home ownership.

Imposing fines on Arab towns, local authorities and state-funded organizations that commemorate Nakba Day, which falls near Israel’s Independence Day. Some Arab Israelis refer to the day Israel gained statehood as a nakba, or catastrophe, because it resulted in the displacement of 700,000 Palestinians.

Intermarriage is prohibited by the Jewish Halakha


In the 1956 Kafr Qasim massacre, 48 unarmed Arab citizens, returning to their village, were gunned down by an Israel Border Police platoon; a curfew had been imposed, but the villagers were not informed of it.

The “intifada law” is designed to prevent Palestinians wounded and otherwise affected by the operations of the Israel Defense Forces from taking legal action against the State of Israel. The exception is if damage has occurred due to negligence or an accident, or if a Palestinian is injured in any way while in detention.

Israeli law prohibits the Jewish National Fund to sell or lease land to non-Jews.

These are just the deprivation acts against non-jews in Israel. The acts on the foreign lands they occupy are much more harsh.

Nazi Germany

Nuremberg Laws

Racial laws put into effect by the German parliament in Nuremberg on September 15, 1935. These laws became the legal basis for the racist anti-Jewish policy in Germany. Thirteen additional decrees were added to the Nuremberg Laws over the next eight years; these included the first official definition of who was to be considered a Jew and who an Aryan, and methodically ostracized the Jews from German life. Jews with three or four Jewish grandparents were considered full blooded Jews.

The first of the two Nuremberg Laws was called the “Reich Citizenship Law,” which declared that only Aryans could be citizens of the Reich. This stripped the Jews of their political rights, and reduced them from Reichsburger (citizens of the Reich like the Aryans), to Staatsangehorige (state subjects). The second law, called the “Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honor,” forbade marriages and extramarital sexual relations between Germans and Jews; the employment of German maids under the age of 45 in Jewish homes; and the raising of the German flag by Jews.

Destruction : To Demolish property or simply take the property of another human because they are not part of your Nationalist Society.

Israel

House demolition in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Any home that is considered part of the opposition, or any home that is standing in the way of new Jewish settlements (Jew only), are taken and demolished.

The massive transfer of land inside Israel was executed primarily through two main laws. The first is the Land Acquisition Law (Validation of Acts and Compensation) – 1953, pursuant to which 1.2 – 1.3 million dunams of land were expropriated from the Arab population. The second law is the Absentees’ Property Law – 1950 under which all of the property owned, possessed or used by the Palestinian refugees was transferred to the State of Israel. Assessments by Israel, Palestinian institutions and UN agencies as to the extent of the properties taken pursuant to this law range from around 2 million dunams to 16 million dunams of land.

Nazi Germany

September 29, 1933 – Nazis prohibit Jews from owning land.

Denial

Israel

In today’s news, and the basis for this article, the Israeli Government stated : Storm will pass over settlement announcement This is the official response they gave to the unilateral condemnation of building new “jew only” settlements in occupied Palestine.

Nazi Germany

In the most famous denial efforts of all time, the German Government after WWII denied the Holocaust occurred.

I just find it horrifying and fascinating that the once victim Jews of Israel have turned into the Stormtroopers of Nazi Germany. Classic example of the victim becoming the criminal.

Itia (Abroad)

[Sblast]

Yes, similar methods of war, ethnic cleansing, Apartheid, discrimination and relocation are obviously a superficial similarity such as drinking water or wearing a t-shirt. Interesting way of simplifying things.

You're repeating yourself, I asked you to explicitly say your conclusion. And no, "similar to Nazis" alone isn't it.
Do you see that link in my sig? Scroll to transfer.
At last you got to independent claims. Some very controversial.
Spare me th copy and paste spamming mentality. Anyone can copypastte from ideological websites like Robert Spencer's. It does not reflect well on somebody who does not understand what he presents. as isaid before show me what you understand.

[Shah-Jehan]

You're repeating yourself, I asked you to explicitly say your conclusion. And no, "similar to Nazis" alone isn't it.
Do you see that link in my sig? Scroll to transfer.
At last you got to independent claims. Some very controversial.
Spare me th copy and paste spamming mentality. Anyone can copypastte from ideological websites like Robert Spencer's. It does not reflect well on somebody who does not understand what he presents. as isaid before show me what you understand.

Why can't all Theapricity Jews be not hateful like you?...

[Formozgan]

You're repeating yourself, I asked you to explicitly say your conclusion. And no, "similar to Nazis" alone isn't it.
Do you see that link in my sig? Scroll to transfer.
At last you got to independent claims. Some very controversial.
Spare me th copy and paste spamming mentality. Anyone can copypastte from ideological websites like Robert Spencer's. It does not reflect well on somebody who does not understand what he presents. as isaid before show me what you understand.

My conclusion is that Israelis have a Stockholm syndrome, which is acting in a very similar way their oppressors did, while maintaining a "victim image".

-Both Nazi Germany and Israel are ethnocentric states in definition.
-Both have expanded themselves under dubious historical notions.
-Both use overly nationalist propaganda where they dehumanize their rivals
-Both are highly militarized states.

[Anglojew]

The Wall/Fence built by Israel was in response to Palestinian suicide bombings which murdered about 1000 Israeli civilians. It has reduced suicide bombings by about 99%

[Shah-Jehan]

The Wall/Fence built by Israel was in response to Palestinian suicide bombings which murdered about 1000 Israeli civilians. It has reduced suicide bombings by about 99%

Are you responsible for the Israeli bureau on the statistics of Palestinian suicide bombers?

[Sblast]

My conclusion is that Israelis have a Stockholm syndrome, which is acting in a very similar way their oppressors did, while maintaining a "victim image".

-Both Nazi Germany and Israel are ethnocentric states in definition.
-Both have expanded themselves under dubious historical notions.
-Both use overly nationalist propaganda where they dehumanize their rivals
-Both are highly militarized states.

Stockholm syndrome has nothing to do with "acting very similar", but it rings good :lol:.
The rest of vague cliches in form of quite serious accusations I'm afraid to ask for further clarification on (which I already did). An example of clarify, fairness and a clear line of reason fitting this context (no quantificational logic there, right?) was posted (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?89573-Dawkins-Calm-reflections-after-a-storm-in-a-teacup) by another user for contrast.

There is good concrete concrete criticism that doesn't involve inherent dishonesty, I already pointed out to you. Like Žižek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2szdRuHzSjw)'s which actually deals with the issue and which I personally share and experienced.

[Sblast]

The Wall/Fence built by Israel was in response to Palestinian suicide bombings which murdered about 1000 Israeli civilians. It has reduced suicide bombings by about 99%

That and the work of the Shin-bet. The amount of wall the last time I checked in less than a tenth, but still it's presented as a "wall". So it gets an iconic sound, and causes needs icons regardless of accuracy and truthfulness. In physical reality it's a barrier of obstacles (not only, I'm not referring to the context).

[Wadaad]

If Israel were Nazis then there'd be no Israeli Arabs and no Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza


Only reason you havent implemented 'a final solution' level genocide is because the Nazis gave it such a bad stigma...your genocidal behaviour is not as blunt, just like the postwar impact of Vietnam blunted (but did not curb or prevent) American atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Sblast]

Only reason you havent implemented 'a final solution' level genocide is because the Nazis gave it such a bad stigma...your genocidal behaviour is not as blunt, just like the postwar impact of Vietnam blunted (but did not curb or prevent) American atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A. It's "his", just like "your" Somali pirating. This form of collective guilt is ironically the only concrete thing you presented that has to do with anything "genocide".
B. This is becoming obnoxious. The amount of times you repeat something isn't going make true.
C. Any two objects in this universe share certain similarities; nothing follows from it. It's better you quite the manipulative question begging analogies (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/qbanalog.html), the poisoning, and actually refer to the issue at hand and try to explain why it is unethical.
D. Nothing Israeli governments have done in the past, including alleged ethnic cleansing on certain magnitudes constitutes genocide in the lexical term, nor will begging the question and looking for bits of information that conform your prejudice will help you further equivocate it with other genocides so you can conclude what you cannot or further manipulate via transfer.
It is a specific setting, with specific actions and mind sets that deserve an accurate presentation that are essential for good criticism, like any issue. Only then and only then, you can conclude it is similar in the relevant aspects.

[Anglojew]

Only reason you havent implemented 'a final solution' level genocide is because the Nazis gave it such a bad stigma...your genocidal behaviour is not as blunt, just like the postwar impact of Vietnam blunted (but did not curb or prevent) American atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'm not personally anti-Palestinian as my ME peace plan documents.

Israel is nothing like the Nazis. In fact Hamas rule in Gaza with its cult of personality, mass rallies, youth groups and one party system is a far better example.

[Formozgan]

I'm not personally anti-Palestinian as my ME peace plan documents.

Israel is nothing like the Nazis. In fact Hamas rule in Gaza with its cult of personality, mass rallies, youth groups and one party system is a far better example.

Israel history of aggression has made extremist groups like Hamas grow more in popularity while radicalizing the remaining population. Early Israeli massacres sent all Palestinian Christians to diaspora a long time ago. You are very much like Nazi Germany.

[Sblast]

Israel history of aggression has made extremist groups like Hamas grow more in popularity while radicalizing the remaining population. Early Israeli massacres sent all Palestinian Christians to diaspora a long time ago. You are very much like Nazi Germany.

Incorrect (http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/skepticism/blfaq_fall_oversimp.htm). Christian Arab minorities exist in Israel. If you want to have a conversation (including with yourself) repeating yourself ad nauseam while ignoring criticism won't work.
I suggested you quite the (transfer (http://library.thinkquest.org/C0111500/proptech.htm)) propaganda and actually refer to the issue itself clearly and explain it. This is the last time I repeat this; Your claims are controversial (yet you present no evidence for them and on top of that use them (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/qbanalog.html)), vague and some of them so far are false - no amount of associative inaccuracies will pile up to truth. Repetition isn't justification and spamming articles (especially from dubious sources) won't make a point.

[Anglojew]

Israel history of aggression has made extremist groups like Hamas grow more in popularity while radicalizing the remaining population. Early Israeli massacres sent all Palestinian Christians to diaspora a long time ago. You are very much like Nazi Germany.

That's a lie and easily disproved. Israel has the only growing Christian population in the region. Bethlehem was majority Christian under Israel's rule until the Palestinian Authority took over rule:

[EDMONDI]

The attention of all left wing thinkers needs to be diverted to the fact that the country of Israel is showing blatant RACISM towards its Nigerian settlers who only seek a better life.

We need to make it known to the whole world that Israel is in dire need of cultural enrichment, the kind that has transformed Sweden into a socialist multicultural utopia.

[Szegedist]

I would rather be like Israel than soft bellied state we are now.

In many ways I do admire the Jews, especially the strong sense of "Jewish community" among them, no matter where in the world they are.

Hungary has a thing or two to learn from Israel.

[Melina]

The attention of all left wing thinkers needs to be diverted to the fact that the country of Israel is showing blatant RACISM towards its Nigerian settlers who only seek a better life.

We need to make it known to the whole world that Israel is in dire need of cultural enrichment, the kind that has transformed Sweden into a socialist multicultural utopia.
That is what I love about Israel they do anything they can to protect their people. Even if is making immigrants not have babies and even if it mean to kick out individuals that are non jewish.

[YeshAtid]

Israel is anything but a Nazi state:picard2:

[Formozgan]

Israel is anything but a Nazi state:picard2:

Interesting insight. Care you elaborate more?

[Shah-Jehan]

Interesting insight. Care you elaborate more?

with some more emoticons:laugh:...

[YeshAtid]

Interesting insight. Care you elaborate more?

Jews and Arabs have equal rights in Israel.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qi-hQATR5Tk/UaioRStqeII/AAAAAAABYjg/10y5F6k6fWM/s400/Khaled+Abu+Toameh+on+apartheid.jpg
In the disputed territories things are worse granted but that's due to a mix of extremism on both sides which coalesce into checkpoints and security checks which can be removed with a ceasing of hostilities .

[Philo]

LOL. Persian pointing fingers. I'm surprised:eek:
If Israel is so Nutzi, how come there are Arabs in the Israel national team? And Arabs in the Israeli parliament? Posting cherry-picked photos with no context given is not going to help your case, Persian.

Excellent thread, Most Jews here are overtly hateful against Arabs, people professing Islam or anti-Zionists in general, some try to provide credible arguments while others use stupid emoticons or use the old catchphrase of calling them an "anti-Semite"...Formozgan, I must say you're an excellent poster:tongue:

That's because you people have Hadiths which clearly demand you to kill all Jews. You are so civilized. :D
Arguing with Muslims is like talking to a wall.