Classify youngest Ottoman descendants

[Shah-Jehan]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8c/Ay%C5%9Fe-G%C3%BClnev-Osmano%C4%9Flu-Issue.jpg/800px-Ay%C5%9Fe-G%C3%BClnev-Osmano%C4%9Flu-Issue.jpg

[Tropico]

Wow when I envisioned the Ottomans thats NOT what I had in mind.

[Shah-Jehan]

Wow when I envisioned the Ottomans thats NOT what I had in mind.

The founder of the Ottomans was this guy
http://www.enfal.de/osmgazi.jpg

[Tropico]

The founder of the Ottomans was this guy
http://www.enfal.de/osmgazi.jpg

For some reason I envisioned a darker people.

[Tropico]

Aren't they supposed to be a darker peoples?

[Shah-Jehan]

For some reason I envisioned a darker people.

That's a stereotype, probably 1/3 of the Ottoman sultans were either light haired or had light eyes although, these people are Half British:P

[Tropico]

That's a stereotype, probably 1/3 of the Ottoman sultans were either light haired or had light eyes although, these people are Half British:P

Oh thats why. But from pictures the Ottomans looks very dark and many non European. Sorry I just dont know the history or origins of the Ottoman Empire. The only European history I studied in school was anything related to the World Wars and by myself the history of Spain and its relation to Latin America, specifically Puerto Rico.

[Shah-Jehan]

Oh thats why. But from pictures the Ottomans looks very dark and many non European. Sorry I just dont know the history or origins of the Ottoman Empire. The only European history I studied in school was anything related to the World Wars and by myself the history of Spain and its relation to Latin America, specifically Puerto Rico.

These are the Ottomans, I won't consider the majority dark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_family_tree

[justme]

They all look lithuanian/english... Except the little girl can fit in kosovo or England

[Arbërori]

Do not be fooled by thy Mongrel blood... :P

[Shah-Jehan]

Do not be fooled by thy Mongrel blood... :P

:lol:

[Sky earth]

It's strange but I think that Ottomans looked somehow like Semites and Iranians. Those noses are definitely not Turkic because Turkic people were known for their straight small noses. The whole facial features of Ottoman sultans reminds of camel faced wogs. After they mixed with European women they got obviously more European looking

[iNird]

they would stick out like sore thumbs in turkey and the balkans. so it appears they are mostly of british origin?

Here's a family pic:

http://img.haberler.com/galeri/69/osmanli-hanedani-dogum-gununde-bulustu_30436_b.jpg

The old man can fit in the balkans.

[Shah-Jehan]

It's strange but I think that Ottomans looked somehow like Semites and Iranians. Those noses are definitely not Turkic because Turkic people were known for their straight small noses. The whole facial features of Ottoman sultans reminds of camel faced wogs. After they mixed with European women they got obviously more European looking

They were brought there by the Seljuks...They obviously have absorbed a lot of Balkan blood after the rise of the nation but, most of their nasal structures weren't Iranid or Arabid except select people like Mehmed II for instance whose portraits show a curved nose...

The hooked nose thing is also a sterotype with Turks and also Greeks to some instance, do you know how this got into common usage?

[YeshAtid]

They were brought there by the Seljuks...They obviously have absorbed a lot of Balkan blood after the rise of the nation but, most of their nasal structures weren't Iranid or Arabid except select people like Mehmed II for instance whose portraits show a curved nose...

The hooked nose thing is also a sterotype with Turks and also Greeks to some instance, do you know how this got into common usage?
It's a common med feature

[Shah-Jehan]

It's a common med feature

East med feature then...

[Shah-Jehan]

they would stick out like sore thumbs in turkey and the balkans. so it appears they are mostly of british origin?

Here's a family pic:

http://img.haberler.com/galeri/69/osmanli-hanedani-dogum-gununde-bulustu_30436_b.jpg

The old man can fit in the balkans.

The old man and her daughter isn't but, the man is fully British and the kids are half...

[Arbërori]

Well, the Ottoman royal house was clearly mixed (mostly of diluted Turkic blood, then Greek & Serbian for the most part).

Hopefully they'll be shipped back to Turkistan.

[Sky earth]

They were brought there by the Seljuks...They obviously have absorbed a lot of Balkan blood after the rise of the nation but, most of their nasal structures weren't Iranid or Arabid except select people like Mehmed II for instance whose portraits show a curved nose...

The hooked nose thing is also a sterotype with Turks and also Greeks to some instance, do you know how this got into common usage?

The first Turks had definitely a small straight nose but after mixing with Armenians, Greeks and Iranians we also got their hooked noses.

[iNird]

The old man and her daughter isn't but, the man is fully British and the kids are half...

Aha the old man looks like a typical greek.

[Shah-Jehan]

Aha the old man looks like a typical greek.

I second that

On a less serious note, you mean an Orthodox Turk?:laugh:

[iNird]

I second that

On a less serious note, you mean an Orthodox Turk?:laugh:

well in his case it would be a greek muslim.

:p

[Incal]

Wow when I envisioned the Ottomans thats NOT what I had in mind.

Don't forget Turks most appreciated delicacy have always been european women (to this very day). The Sultans compulsively interbred with european women so these kids are overwhelmingly European.

[arcticwolf]

Isn't it funny how everybody that goes to the top will selectively breed themselves to look "Aryan"? Don't tell me that's what Turks look like, not buying that BS. :laugh:

[armenianbodyhair]

The back three look very British.

[Anglojew]

The ruling classes always tend towards whiteness.

[ButlerKing]

The highest class of Ottoman empire may have had higher mongoloid blood since Osman I have a Turkmen connection.

Osman I revolted against their masters seljuk turks and created the Ottoman empire. Later Ottoman emperors had greek and balkan wifes, and so their son were half greek or half balkan.

By the way there is no real painting of Osman I when he was alive.

[Shah-Jehan]

The highest class of Ottoman empire may have had higher mongoloid blood since Osman I have a Turkmen connection.

Osman I revolted against their masters seljuk turks and created the Ottoman empire. Later Ottoman emperors had greek and balkan wifes, and so their son were half greek or half balkan.

By the way there is no real painting of Osman I when he was alive.
That post contains a lot of historical inaccuracies, Osman I did not revolt against the Seljuks but, founded a principality after the Mongols overthrew the Seluks...Turkic noble wives or Balkan noble wives were very much preferred but, this tradition changed after Suleiman I married Hurrem Sultana and gave her prime spouse status...

[ButlerKing]

That post contains a lot of historical inaccuracies, Osman I did not revolt against the Seljuks but, founded a principality after the Mongols overthrew the Seluks...Turkic noble wives or Balkan noble wives were very much preferred but, this tradition changed after Suleiman I married Hurrem Sultana and gave her prime spouse status...

Osman announced the independence of his own small kingdom from the Seljuk Turks in 1299, this is still kind of revolt against the Seljuks rule and control of Anatolia.

Didn't you know later on the Seljuks turks were discriminated?

[Shah-Jehan]

Osman announced the independence of his own small kingdom from the Seljuk Turks in 1299, this is still kind of revolt against the Seljuks rule and control of Anatolia.

Didn't you know later on the Seljuks turks were discriminated?

BS, Seljuk nobility died or fled elsewhere...

[ButlerKing]

BS, Seljuk nobility died or fled elsewhere...

I'm talking about the descendants remnants of Seljuk/ Turkmen, they were forced to be under Ottoman rule