Guide to battling stereotypes of Lithuania abroad

[Skomand]

http://vilnews.com/2013-08-guide-to-battling-stereotypes-of-lithuania-abroad

Guide to battling stereotypes of Lithuania abroad

[Hercus Monte]

http://vilnews.com/2013-08-guide-to-battling-stereotypes-of-lithuania-abroad

Guide to battling stereotypes of Lithuania abroad
our main national characteristic :we're not Russians or poles.

[Skomand]

Sounds bizarre, there was a time at the beginning of the 19th century when Germans called themselves Lithuanians.

[Hercus Monte]

Sounds bizarre, there was a time at the beginning of the 19th century when Germans called themselves Lithuanians.
a lot has changed, we're different people now... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_bQ1XTdU5I - in case you speak our beautiful tongue and/or Russian)

[larali]

What the fuck is Lithuania?

[Graham]

What the fuck is Lithuania?

:)
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/willow/geography-of-lithuania0.gif

[larali]

I know what is is, silly. I was making a point-- "abroad" does not give much of a shit about Lithuania much less harbor stereotypes.

[Hercus Monte]

:)
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/willow/geography-of-lithuania0.gif
http://2012books.lardbucket.org/books/world-regional-geography-people-places-and-globalization/section_06/884cd790424556169985cdfb3e4053bd.jpg


I know what is is, silly. I was making a point-- "abroad" does not give much of a shit about Lithuania much less harbor stereotypes.

our main problem with this is that we used to be a big and important country and now we're not, this is why the lack of actual stereotypes is a little sad for us.

[Graham]

I know what is is, silly. I was making a point-- "abroad" does not give much of a shit about Lithuania much less harbor stereotypes.

ok, a thought you were just being American. Sorry. :p:D

[Skomand]

200 years ago : Lithuania is further west

http://hostarea.de/out.php/i310267_kleinlitauen.jpg (http://hostarea.de/show.php/310267_kleinlitauen.jpg.html)

Two contemporary books on Lithuania:

Otto Glagau: Littauen und die Littauer.[9] Tilsit 1869
http://books.google.de/books?id=JgcqAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=otto+Glagau&hl=de&ei=wcKgTKWJFYzDswbKnZHmDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Albert Zweck: Litauen. Eine Landes- und Volkskunde. Stuttgart 1898 [10]
http://archive.org/details/litaueneineland00zwecgoog

And a Royal Lithuanian Government:

http://hostarea.de/out.php/i310266_amtsblatt1.jpg (http://hostarea.de/show.php/310266_amtsblatt1.jpg.html)

[Gorštak]

They have weirdest surnames in Europe and only Europeans who love more basketball than football, beat this.

[sevruk]

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_bQ1XTdU5I

like a hellish mix of Lithuanian, Russian and Polish

[Hercus Monte]

like a hellish mix of Lithuanian, Russian and Polish
it's really quite a sight to behold if you speak Lithuanian, that lady is quite creative.

[glass]

But there are people who always get it right - the Russians

They know that Lithuania is an independent country in Europe. They know that it has a separate language, and they appreciate every effort to learn Russian. They know that Lithuania is in the EU and that horses are not the main means of transport. Let's give them our due appreciation.
:thumb001:

[Hercus Monte]

:thumb001:
Russians who live in the baltic states....

[glass]

Russians who live in the baltic states....
are there any russian left in baltic states? i thought they are all in estonian jails right now?

[Hercus Monte]

are there any russian left in baltic states? i thought they are all in estonian jails right now?
I don't know about Estonia but here in Lithuania we get along fairly well.

[Skomand]

What are you to trying to say, Skomand?

I'm saying that Lithuania was in Germany, as the author points out and as the map proves and that there was a Royal Lithuanian Government.

http://hostarea.de/out.php/i310386_glogau.jpg (http://hostarea.de/show.php/310386_glogau.jpg.html)

[Útrám]

I wouldn’t harbour any resentment towards Lithuanians, if you'd only return my blue-ray player.

[Hercus Monte]

I wouldn’t harbour any resentment towards Lithuanians, if you'd only return my blue-ray player.
you should try and contact our government, this sort of stuff happens all the time. I'm sure they do refunds.

[Útrám]

It was not my intention to offend. Of course, the country is very stratified, and unfortunately its trash is moving westwards to establish syndicates.

The regime could improve the country's reputation outside its borders by containing these troublemakers. Are any such efforts being made?

[Útrám]

We're already under European Union regime....

What are you insinuating? The rule of the EU doesn't supersede the rule of the state government. Is there anything preventing you from performing background checks on emigrants? I bet most of these guys have records, I even bet most of them are recidivists; and it's just simply irresponsible to let them out.

[Hercus Monte]

The regime could improve the country's reputation outside its borders by containing these troublemakers. Are any such efforts being made?
yes, but only with Nordic countries. we're negotiating on bringing every Lithuanian convicted of a crime to prisons here instead of prisons in Nordic countries.

[Útrám]

You mean most of emigrants are recidivists? What you've been smoking? You can find all kinds of people among emmigrants, all society layers and professions can be found. From scientists to cleaners.


By "these guys" I could have meant a lot of things, it was somewhat ambiguous. However, I was referring to the active criminals belonging to the syndicates, like the context would suggest. How's your reading comprehension? What you've been smoking?



You can find all kinds of people among emmigrants, all society layers and professions can be found. From scientists to cleaners.


I have all the respect in the world for diligent law-abiding Lithuanians, this isn't directed towards them.



And how are we supposed to prevent people with criminal records from leaving the country? You mean check everyone's ID that crosses Lithuanian border?

Do you mean cross-referencing passports/IDs with the national criminal registry? Modern technology easily facilitates such tasks.

[Graham]

It was not my intention to offend. Of course, the country is very stratified, and unfortunately its trash is moving westwards to establish syndicates.

The regime could improve the country's reputation outside its borders by containing these troublemakers. Are any such efforts being made?

What migrants do you even get in Iceland? Big Lithuanian community in Fjarðabyggð.

[Útrám]

What migrants do you even get in Iceland? Big Lithuanian community in Fjarðabyggð.

Some media estimates state they're roughly 1.2-4% of the population, no official data on that.

News articles about burglaries, violence, human trafficking and drug trafficking are liberally sprinkled with unpronounceable Lithuanian names. That 1.whatever percent is awfully over-represented in the crime statistics. Crime syndicates consisting of Lithuanians are well-established, there is no doubt about that. However, this isn’t to say that there aren't hard-working guest workers in good moral standing.

[Hercus Monte]

Some media estimates state they're roughly 1.2-4% of the population, no official data on that.

only 1.2-4%?m Jesus, you are lucky, we have to deal with 80% of them.

[Hercus Monte]

News articles about burglaries, violence, human trafficking and drug trafficking are liberally sprinkled with unpronounceable Lithuanian names. That 1.whatever percent is awfully over-represented in the crime statistics. Crime syndicates consisting of Lithuanians are well-established, there is no doubt about that. However, this isn’t to say that there aren't hard-working guest workers in good moral standing.
I've read somewhere that 70% of crime in Lithuania is done my Slavic speaking minorities. (and our minorities are much more likely to emigrate since they tend to be an economically vulnerable class)
however, It wouldn't surprise me if those criminals in Iceland are mostly ethnic Lithuanians since we're not the most behaved group and our government passively supports and encourages crime.

[Smaug]

Thank you! Nobody will dare to say shit about Lithuanian in front of me again.

[Hercus Monte]

Are Slavs really that overrepresented? I'm suprised. I've seen some stats regarding crime in Vilnius but then Vilnius is only about 60 % Lithuanian. Maybe you've read about regions that have % of Slavic inhabitants?
It's been a while since I've seen the study (I think it's from the yearly 2000's) but yeah about 70% of them are slavs.
(It's not very surprising considering how impoverished they are)

[Útrám]

I've read somewhere that 70% of crime in Lithuania is done my Slavic speaking minorities. (and our minorities are much more likely to emigrate since they tend to be an economically vulnerable class)
however, It wouldn't surprise me if those criminals in Iceland are mostly ethnic Lithuanians since we're not the most behaved group and our government passively supports and encourages crime.

Isn't Lithuanian a 'Balto-Slavic' language?
At any rate, I don't really care who they are, just as long as serial/serious offenders have their freedom of travel revoked.

[Hercus Monte]

Isn't Lithuanian a 'Balto-Slavic' language?
well now you went too far. that's like a spit in the face.

[Hercus Monte]

Could you provide a link? I'd be thankful.
I don't have it on me, I don't even remember where I've read it. take what I said with a grain of salt since I have nothing to back it up.

[Útrám]

well now you went too far. that's like a spit in the face.

I was just going by the language family --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_language

[Talvi]

Are Slavs really that overrepresented? I'm suprised. I've seen some stats regarding crime in Vilnius but then Vilnius is only about 60 % Lithuanian. Maybe you've read about regions that have % of Slavic inhabitants?


Saying "it's all fault of Russians" is lame and not truth at all. There is an American Lithuanian on one forum who does that (similarly like Karl) but I feel genuinely sorry for him. The image of Lithuanian he has does not match reality. I'm afraid people like him might get very dissapointed if they ever realize the truth.

Not surprising at all.

[Accountant]

Kamane do you know the guy who stole Karl's old BMW? I belive his name was Štealas Caras.

[Talvi]

Kamane do you know the guy who stole Karl's old BMW? I belive his name was Štealas Caras.

Well last news I heard of Lithuanians: 2 Lithuanians suspected of robbing some Finns at Pärnu beach. (Threatened with knives)

[Hercus Monte]

Well last news I heard of Lithuanians: 2 Lithuanians suspected of robbing some Finns at Pärnu beach. (Threatened with knives)
last news I heard of Lithuanians: Lithuanian EU Presidency reaches Council agreement on EU annual budget for 2014


oh well, I guess it depends on what kind of news you read.

[Peikko]

Balto-Slavic is a superbranch of IE family. Baltic and Slavic languages aren't even mutually intelligible if we do not count a number of swear words and late borrowings that are considered as "should-not-be-use" officially.

German and Swedish aren't mutually intelligible, but they're still both germanic languages.

[Hercus Monte]

German and Swedish aren't mutually intelligible, but they're still both germanic languages.
your point?

Swedish and Greek are also related languages, both are indo-European.

[Peikko]

your point?

Swedish and Greek are also related languages, both are indo-European.

Baltic languages are closely related to slavic languages, even if they aren't mutually intelligible.

[sevruk]

I've read somewhere that 70% of crime in Lithuania is done my Slavic speaking minorities.

:picard2:

[Hercus Monte]

Baltic languages are closely related to slavic languages, even if they aren't mutually intelligible.
not closely related. just slightly more related than others language groups


:picard2:
don't be sad.

[sevruk]

not closely related. just slightly more related than others groups

at least learn wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balto-Slavic_languages

not to mention the scientific literature...

[glass]

:picard2:
i heard 60-70% ethnic lithuanians speak russian so he is right

[Hercus Monte]

at least learn wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balto-Slavic_languages

not to mention the scientific literature...
I am aware of what Blato-slavic is. I recommend you read more then just the title.


i heard 60-70% ethnic lithuanians speak russian so he is right
~60%.

and is it really so difficult to believe that Slavic speakers are more prone to crime?
they have difficulties getting jobs, and if they do they usually get minimum wage. Nobody could live of minimum wage here.

[sevruk]

and is it really so difficult to believe that Slavic speakers are more prone to crime?

difficult to believe in something that is not proven

[glass]

and is it really so difficult to believe that Slavic speakers are more prone to crime?
they have difficulties getting jobs, and if they do they usually get minimum wage. Nobody could live of minimum wage here.
yes you are right discriminated minorities are always overpresent in crime activity,
but im pretty sure 10% slavs can not commite 70% crimes, may be 15-20% or even 30% at worst

[Hercus Monte]

yes you are right discriminated minorities are always overpresent in crime activity,
but im pretty sure 10% slavs can not commite 70% crimes, may be 15-20% or even 30% at worst
over 14% of Lithuania is Slavic speaking. anyway, this is an old statistic( I think it's from the early 2000's) I doubt it's still representative.

[Talvi]

last news I heard of Lithuanians: Lithuanian EU Presidency reaches Council agreement on EU annual budget for 2014


oh well, I guess it depends on what kind of news you read.

Im not Lithuanian, so I dont read Lithuanian news.

[Temujin]

Balts are not Slavs. Although, Baltic and Slavic languages are related they are not mutually understandable. I can't understand a thing what they are saying. Let them be whoever they want to be. Finnoscandians, living proto-IE speakers or just Lithuanians and Latvians. As for thieves and burglars all nations have them.

[Temujin]

Don't get drama. We clearly are neither despite several online wackos's opinions.

There's no drama. I know who are Lithuanians and Latvians. I'd like to think I do.

[Hercus Monte]

Im not Lithuanian, so I dont read Lithuanian news.
that actually relevant to all Europeans, not just Lithuanians.

[Talvi]

I've heard Estonians are so rare and pure that they have to attach sand sacks to themselves so as not fly away... :rolleyes:

Wrong. We attach loaves of black bread to ourselves as not to fly away.

[Hercus Monte]

Wrong. We attach loaves of black bread to ourselves as not to fly away.
very eastern European. do you get them from Polish grocery shops?

[justme]

I wanna try some rye bread... Is it polish, lithuanian or German???

[Hercus Monte]

I wanna try some rye bread... Is it polish, lithuanian or German???
all 3.

[Pure ja]

I've heard Estonians are so rare and pure that they have to attach sand sacks to themselves so as not fly away... :rolleyes:

No, estonians attach bronze and silver coin sacks and brooches.
Those who did not restrict themselves and could fly were butchered by the trecherous german crusaders (see the film Malev).
Estonians are the stuff of rare earth metals, but the naming is deceptful, rare earth metals are not so rare. We are right behind Chinese in that regard (producing rare earth metals).

[Pure ja]

very eastern European. do you get them from Polish grocery shops?

Very funny.
All our shops provide at least a dozen different black bread varieties.
Our white bread supply is much more limited, on par with Graham bread / whole wheat bread (sepik).

[Hercus Monte]

Very funny.
All our shops provide at least a dozen different black bread varieties.
Our white bread supply is much more limited, on par with Graham bread / whole wheat bread (sepik).
I'm glad you like the joke :D

this is my personal favorite, Just the way Grandma makes them(supposedly, my grandma never made rye bread)
http://i4.alfi.lt/10357/21/63.jpg

[Pure ja]

I'm glad you like the joke :D

this is my personal favorite, Just the way Grandma makes them(supposedly, my grandma never made rye bread)
http://i4.alfi.lt/10357/21/63.jpg

Google pictures by:
must leib site:*.ee
sepik site:*.ee
sai site:*.ee