Syria chemical attack allegations: just a pretext for a military attack/regime change by the West?

[Loki]

Let us know your thoughts. In my mind this is very suspicious. There has so far been no confirmation whatsoever that Assad did this, in fact the Syrian Government as denied it. And now already, countries like France and Turkey (so predictable) are calling for military intervention. This so reminds me of the Iraq/Saddam case ... :mad:

Syria 'chemical' attack: France says force may be needed (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23795088)

[ariel]

france and turkey lying and have agenda against assad.

[Loki]

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[Shah-Jehan]

france and turkey lying and have agenda against assad.

If Assad's Government stays, he'll win back the golan heights, don't worry:lol:

[Furnace]

Assad can't be this stupid.. Obama even warned that use of chemical weapons would initiate an invasion.

[Shah-Jehan]

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[Philo]

Voted no, and I don't see NATO invading Syria.


Assad can't be this stupid.. Obama even warned that use of chemical weapons would initiate an invasion.

Obama is out of tune with reality.

[RussiaPrussia]

france and turkey lying and have agenda against assad.

they want American and israely Tax dollars to fund the war

[Philo]

If Assad's Government stays, he'll win back the golan heights, don't worry:lol:

Syrian "army" vs IDF = Children vs adults.

[Formozgan]

Syrian "army" vs IDF = Children vs adults.

Of course the IDF are children. If both Syria and Hezbollah invaded you you'd be crawling back to treblinka, just like the 2006

[Loki]

Voted no, and I don't see NATO invading Syria.


Because Russia and China would oppose it.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Of course the IDF are children. If both Syria and Hezbollah invaded you you'd be crawling back to treblinka, just like the 2006

How pleasant.

I am willing to entertain that it is a NWO/Soros/neo-con propaganda story. The attacks are also real, but possibly perpetrated by foreign mercenaries or Special Forces working for the aforementioned; a false flag attack. It could be a pretext to allow UN inspectors and UN forces in, who would then aid the rebels, in order to further destabilise Syria. I am not sure, but something is not right here. The international socialist left and the neo-conservative right would both wish to see regime change in Syria, and could use their mouthpieces in the media to promulgate this story.

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." - Sherlock Holmes :sherlock:

This is scary but it seems very unlikely, verging on impossible, that the Syrian Army would be able to do this to their own people. I voted unsure because the facts are unclear.

Oh look:


The attack that killed over 200 people in the Damascus suburbs could be an accident caused by a riot control agent, and those responsible may be a faction of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and not the Assad regime, according to a chemical weapons specialist.

Syrian opposition activists claim that rockets with toxic agents were launched towards the suburbs of the Ghouta region at 3am killing more than 570 people, mostly women and children. Horrific footage of people being treated in makeshift hospitals and many children suffocating, having convulsions or laying immobile emerged on social media.

But Gwyn Winfield, editorial director at CBRNe World, a magazine specialising in chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and explosive weapons, told IBTimes UK that it is difficult to identify an agent by the signs and symptoms alone.

"We can say there is some form of chemical used. But until we take blood samples, samples of the soil and the water in the area we can't say that a chemical agent has been used," he said.

"It can be a riot control agent, like in the recent Egyptian case of the tear gas used in the back of a van that killed 36 prisoners. We have the same symptoms in the children and casualties."

In response to the initial reports, the Syrian government has denied that chemical weapons were used.

Winfield said he finds it "suspicious" that in the week UN inspectors enter the country with the acquiescence of Assad, the Government welcomes them with a chemical weapons missile barrage.

"It is not impossible that some faction in the Free Syrian Army did it to get attention or maybe it was an accident by an inexperienced operator who may have not realised what he was doing."

The security expert said there are numerous cases of riot agent used in a lethal way, for example in confined spaces and not to disperse a crowd.

He added that the idea that the FSA is single and unified is "a myth," because "there are different factions and something like that could be a win/win for them: launch the attack and raise amount of profile of their cause by the UN."

Winfield said that more than 570 victims, if confirmed, are a lot of people in a not densely populated area. "It means the attack targeted a large area and it is not an isolated incident. If there are 570 fatalities it would suggest that evidence of what it is will not be hard to find."

Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commanding officer at the UK's Joint Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear Regiment, told the BBC's Today programme that the footage was "horrific" and agreed that it would be "very difficult to stage-manage".

The UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said he is "concerned" by reports of a chemical attack.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/500506/20130821/syria-chemical-attack-accident-caused-free-syrian.htm

[Loki]

Bump

[Philo]

Of course the IDF are children. If both Syria and Hezbollah invaded you you'd be crawling back to treblinka, just like the 2006

No. Hezoballah were Guerilla warriors, who hid behind civilians as well. Even a Persian should know that it's harder to fight against Guerilla. Syrian army is very, very weak. Egyptian army on the other hand..
Plus, Persian, if we would ever crawl back to Treblinka, I PROMISE you, we are taking Mecca and other Middle-Eastern cities with us.:D You have my word on it.


Because Russia and China would oppose it.
There's no oil in Syria as far as I know. That's the reason. The west does'nt care about who's right, as you can see from the idiotic invasion to Lybia. All they care about is oil.


How pleasant.

I am willing to entertain that it is a NWO/Soros/neo-con propaganda story. The attacks are also real, but possibly perpetrated by foreign mercenaries or Special Forces working for the aforementioned; a false flag attack. It could be a pretext to allow UN inspectors and UN forces in, who would then aid the rebels, in order to further destabilise Syria. I am not sure, but something is not right here. The international socialist left and the neo-conservative right would both wish to see regime change in Syria, and could use their mouthpieces in the media to promulgate this story.

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." - Sherlock Holmes :sherlock:

This is scary but it seems very unlikely, verging on impossible, that the Syrian Army would be able to do this to their own people. I voted unsure because the facts are unclear.

Oh look:



http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/500506/20130821/syria-chemical-attack-accident-caused-free-syrian.htm
I voted no but I would'nt be surprised if either side did it. Both of them are, well, Muslims. :D

[Sblast]

So far I'm waiting for a UN delegation (which will not get there as it seems) to actually comment on the issue.

[Leliana]

Only a few days ago some UN experts for chemical weapons entered Syria. How dumb would it be to start a chemical attack thereafter? :picard2: The only side who has an interest in using chemical weapon are the terrorist rebels who want other powers like USA to join the war. And it is proven that some Islamic terrorist rebel groops have looted weapon depots of the Assad government last year when they had the momentum. Now they don't have it any longer because Assad's military forces have the momentum.

It is a false-flag attack.

[Earl Robert]

Ah, this seems like deja vu to me. I had read of the FSA unleashing chemical weapons not so long ago, it was a major embarassment for America and the other meddlers, who realised that their ground troops were getting a little out of control.

The motive behind this war is to fund the Sunni factions to remove Assad, leaving Iran without an ally in the Middle East. What is especially ironic about this is that the "rebels" are actually jihadists supported by Al Qaeda. Yet they are being supplied arms by America!

In reality, the nation that would profit from this would be Israel, Iran's enemy, and it is common knowledge that a large amount of money is donated by Jewish individuals to ensure that Jewish ethnic interests are followed in America, Britain, and elsewhere. It is only the fear of being voted out and replaced that keeps the politicians involved from declaring another war.

[Philo]

Only a few days ago some UN experts for chemical weapons entered Syria. How dumb would it be to start a chemical attack thereafter? :picard2: The only side who has an interest in using chemical weapon are the terrorist rebels who want other powers like USA to join the war. And it is proven that some Islamic terrorist rebel groops have looted weapon depots of the Assad government last year when they had the momentum. Now they don't have it any longer because Assad's military forces have the momentum.

It is a false-flag attack.
Well if it is the rebels, than they are very dumb. US is not going to get into the Syrian mud because a 1000 Syrian civilians, mostly children, died. Under Obama, the US' deterrence has deacresed enormously. So that's why I think it's Assad who did it. He knows the US is not going to intervene.

[Loki]

Seems like I was onto something ...

Syria crisis: US weighs military options (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23822440)

The Pentagon is moving forces closer to Syria as the US weighs its options in the conflict there, Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel has suggested.

He gave no details, but media reports say the US Navy is strengthening its presence in the eastern Mediterranean.

On Friday, President Barack Obama said fresh allegations of chemical weapons use by the Syrian government this week was of "grave concern".

Syria's main ally Russia said there was evidence rebels were behind the attack.

The Syrian opposition, however, has said hundreds died in a government assault on the outskirts of Damascus on Wednesday.

Despite calls from many different countries, there is no sign yet that the Syrian authorities will allow a UN inspection team to visit to investigate the claims.

The UN's disarmament chief, Angela Kane, is due to arrive in Damascus on Saturday to push for access to the site. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said he is determined to "conduct a thorough, impartial and prompt investigation" into the events.

Unverified footage shows civilians - many of them children - dead or suffering from what appear to be horrific symptoms as a result of the attack.

Mr Hagel said President Obama had asked the Pentagon for options on Syria, amid rising pressure on the US to intervene.

"The defence department has responsibility to provide the president with options for all contingencies," he said.

"That requires positioning our forces, positioning our assets, to be able to carry out different options - whatever options the president might choose."

Mr Hagel was speaking to reporters travelling with him to Malaysia.

Earlier, US defence officials said a fourth US warship - armed with cruise missiles - had been moved into the eastern Mediterranean Sea.

The officials stressed that the US Navy had received no orders to prepare for military action.

In an interview broadcast on CNN on Friday, Mr Obama said Wednesday's attack was a "big event of grave concern", but added that the US was still seeking confirmation that chemical weapons had been used.

Last year, President Obama said the use of chemical weapons in Syria would cross a "red line" and force a tough US response.

The BBC has learnt that some in the White House are furious and regard Wednesday's attack as an outrage that breached international law and demands a response.

But Mr Obama warned in his interview: "Sometimes what we've seen is that folks will call for immediate action, jumping into stuff, that does not turn out well, gets us mired in very difficult situations, can result in us being drawn into very expensive, difficult, costly interventions that actually breed more resentment in the region."

Meanwhile, Russian foreign ministry spokesman Aleksandr Lukashevich said Moscow had urged Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to co-operate with UN inspectors, but also that questions remained about the willingness of the opposition to provide "secure, safe access of the [UN] mission to the location of the incident".

"More new evidence is starting to emerge that this criminal act was clearly provocative," the ministry added.

"On the internet, in particular, reports are circulating that news of the incident carrying accusations against government troops was published several hours before the so-called attack. So, this was a pre-planned action."

The ministry also described as "unacceptable" calls from various European capitals for the UN Security Council to authorise the use of force in Syria.

Damascus has described the allegations that it sanctioned the use of chemical weapons as "illogical and fabricated".

The UN says more than 100,000 people have been killed since the uprising against President Assad began more than two years ago.

[ariel]

obama is an terrorist

[Dombra]

Probably not but expect the worst

[Ultra]

Either it's some sort of accident within an industrial complex(something blew up on accident) or a very failed and easy see-through attempt of trying to make it seem like Assad were to use chemical weapons against his own people. I'm also sure if he had done that, it would have been far more effective and deadly and not caused so many mild symptoms.. Something with a rotten egg smell is a sulphuric compound, not a toxic nerve gas or anything like that. :picard2:

[Sblast]

Seems like I was onto something ...

The US has stated a while ago Chemicals weapons are a reason to attack (a "red line"), and the use of chemical weapons ought be a red line, it is unacceptable to be a norm. If it is found (if the any investigation will be allowed there) that chemical weapons were used, I hope they will destroy most of them in following attacks.

It is absurd that 100,000 people were killed by conventional weapons, but a 1,000 by chemical weapons is more 'alarming' and a reason to attack to deter the further use of it (the problem is what to do after an attack), many of them non-combatants (if not most), UN human rights chief Navi Pillay; "There are well documented cases of individual children being tortured and executed" but the Anti-Americanism rhetoric is continued (maybe that's a good title instead of Humanism).
Reminds me a little of fear from flying in Planes when the odds are your'e more likely to be killed while driving your car.

[Loki]

The US has stated a while ago Chemicals weapons are a reason to attack (a "red line"), and the use of chemical weapons ought be a red line, it is unacceptable to be a norm.

Of course. Which is why ....

Materials implicating Syrian govt in chemical attack prepared before incident – Russia (http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-prepared-advance-901/)

Materials implicating the forces of Syrian president Bashar Assad in chemical weapons use near Damascus were prepared prior to the alleged incident on August 21, the Russian foreign ministry said.

Moscow continues to monitor closely the event surrounding the “alleged” chemical attack near Damascus, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Aleksandr Lukashevich, said in a statement.

“We’re getting more new evidence that this criminal act was of a provocative nature,” he stressed. “In particular, there are reports circulating on the Internet, in particular that the materials of the incident and accusations against government troops had been posted for several hours before the so-called attack. Thus, it was a pre-planned action.”

Below are the three videos posted on Youtube said to be showing the child victims affected by chemical weapons near Damascus. Despite the date of the alleged attack – August 21 – being mentioned in their titles, they were posted on YouTube on the previous day, August 20.

Despite the 7-hour time difference between Syria and the US, where the YouTube server is located, the mismatch of the dates in the videos raised concerns among some experts about the exact time of the upload.

[Ultra]

Lol I bet if these UN inspectors were allowed to investigate this site and were to not find any real evidence or rather evidence showing that the Syrian Government/Assad has anything to do with it, they would just fabricate evidence for it in a matter of 10 minutes or so. :thumb001:

[Melina]

Only a few days ago some UN experts for chemical weapons entered Syria. How dumb would it be to start a chemical attack thereafter? :picard2: The only side who has an interest in using chemical weapon are the terrorist rebels who want other powers like USA to join the war. And it is proven that some Islamic terrorist rebel groops have looted weapon depots of the Assad government last year when they had the momentum. Now they don't have it any longer because Assad's military forces have the momentum.

It is a false-flag attack.

This is more than obvious. Anybody who believes the U.S and British media at this point is brain dead. Obama yesterday said that the Syrian government may have been involved in "weapons of mass destruction." Doesn't this sound familiar? This reminds me of Bush right after the 9/11 attacks stating that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The only difference is that this time they said before the disaster happened. This would be a perfect excuse for the U.S to join the war. I believe it was the daily mail that said the Syrian government planted those weapons then they deleted the article. Then RT strikes back stating those weapons were planted from an outside source. :picard2:

[Hayalet]

Absolutely.

[Sblast]

Below are the three videos posted on Youtube said to be showing the child victims affected by chemical weapons near Damascus. Despite the date of the alleged attack – August 21 – being mentioned in their titles, they were posted on YouTube on the previous day, August 20.

Despite the 7-hour time difference between Syria and the US, where the YouTube server is located, the mismatch of the dates in the videos raised concerns among some experts about the exact time of the upload.

A. "among some experts" and who are those experts? maybe those who can't do arithmetic :lol:.
It's 6 pm Syrian time and central US 10 am as we speak (http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/asia/syrian-arab-republic/time-syrian-arab-republic/). Given the day changes first in Syria (today from the 24th to the 25th), the alleged attack happened 3 am Syrian time, taking the 7 hour difference (including day light saving) they could have uploaded the videos hours after the incident. If I'll further elaborate in to the great investigative journalism of RussiaToday, those facts are consistent with the videos the light does seem to be pale morning lights (the last one), but I can hear cars beeping and sunrise happens at 6 am, but take into account light in the sky can be quite bright an hour before sunrise.

B. Utterly irrelevant to what you quoted (but it is relevant to the truth of the matter, on which it seem to fail) which is only a part of my reply.

[The.Mask]

Let us know your thoughts. In my mind this is very suspicious. There has so far been no confirmation whatsoever that Assad did this, in fact the Syrian Government as denied it. And now already, countries like France and Turkey (so predictable) are calling for military intervention. This so reminds me of the Iraq/Saddam case ... :mad:

Syria 'chemical' attack: France says force may be needed (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23795088)

Yeah poor Assad...such an angel it's very sad :rolleyes:

[Ultra]

Yeah poor Assad...such an angel it's very sad :rolleyes:
Is he not compared to the alternatives?

[Sblast]

"BUMP"