Greek celebrities with possible non-Greek background

[Thrax]

What do you think?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hBZ7OF6cP74/TOLQbrPJBqI/AAAAAAAAAF0/YPbhw5O9fdk/s400/me_poia_xemalliastike_i_eleni_foyreira_578149_b.jp g

http://www.espressonews.gr/sites/default/files/oldarticles/merkouri2.jpg

http://www.cityportal.gr/photos/sotisvolanis.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Sotis Volanis is at least partially Gypsy is he not? I suspect many Greek singers may be part Gypsy since other Balkan performers often are, and modern "Balkan" popular music is Turkish-Gypsy influenced.

[Thrax]

Sotis Volanis had denied Gypsy ancestry.

[Sikeliot]

Doesn't mean it can't still be true. But ok.

[Thrax]

I also think it's true, he is very Gypsy looking.

[Azalea]

Sotis Volanis is at least partially Gypsy is he not? I suspect many Greek singers may be part Gypsy since other Balkan performers often are, and modern "Balkan" popular music is Turkish-Gypsy influenced.

What's Turkish-Gypsy?

[Sikeliot]

What's Turkish-Gypsy?

I mean Turkish AND Gypsy influenced. Why do you think Balkan pop music today sounds so Oriental?

[Azalea]

I mean Turkish AND Gypsy influenced. Why do you think Balkan pop music today sounds so Oriental?

Oke. Just making clear that Turkish and Gypsy music is not the same or similar.

We associate Balkan music with Gypsy music btw. Just saying.

[Sikeliot]

This song is an example of what I mean. This type of music is clearly not native to the Balkans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6if25EhrHw

[Azalea]

This song is an example of what I mean. This type of music is clearly not native to the Balkans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6if25EhrHw
This is Arabesque. Arabic style music copied by Turks and neighbours.

[Pleurat]

One of the statements here was very ironic.

[Sikeliot]

This is Arabesque. Arabic style music copied by Turks and neighbours.

Well it's not Balkan, Greek, etc. is my point. I would have associated it with Turkish influence or Gypsy.

[Thrax]

Oriental music has mixed with gypsy music in the balkans, I think this is what Sikeliot means. But it's not as popular in Greece as it was. Hiphop, pop and romanian dance influenced music is what dominates the charts.

[Sikeliot]

Oriental music has mixed with gypsy music in the balkans, I think this is what Sikeliot means. But it's not as popular in Greece as it was. Hiphop, pop and romanian dance influenced music is what dominates the charts.

May be true for Greece but one guy I know from Serbia says in Serbia, all you hear nowadays is turbo-folk music and it sounds Oriental.

[Azalea]

Well it's not Balkan, Greek, etc. is my point. I would have associated it with Turkish influence or Gypsy.

Not-Balkan does not equal Turkish. Just because you know jackshit about the history and culture of that region doesn't mean you can shove everything that sounds or looks foreign on Turks or Gypsies. This is Arab music. Period.

[wvwvw]

I also think it's true, he is very Gypsy looking.

Όπως και συ...και περίμενες να το παραδεχτεί ότι είναι γύφτος; Εδώ ο Ιλίας Ιλιάδης ο μόγγολος παρίστανε τον Έλληνα. Βλέπω μας ήρθες πολύ φουριόζος πάντως.

[Constantine13]

Isn't the first one Albanian with fake skin coloring?

I don't really see the Gypsy in the guy.

[Azalea]

Ontopic.

The guy who everyone claims to be looking Gypsy could be normal Turkish. I don't see much (or any) foreign influence in him. If he really sticks out in Greece then I am guessing Greece is some sort of Nordic walhalla.

The first girl is just a typical example of too much make-up and tanning. I am sure she looks very different without all the spraytan and make-up.

[Thrax]

Άλλοι το έχουν παραδεχτεί πάντως. Και γιατί να μην το πει;

[Stefan_Dusan]

May be true for Greece but one guy I know from Serbia says in Serbia, all you hear nowadays is turbo-folk music and it sounds Oriental.

It's in certain clubs, not everywhere. Anyways the singing style and melody is present in the Balkans in one shape or form since before the Turks set foot on our soil. People like to have misconceptions of what we are, and some Balkan people have big chip on shoulder and try as hard to be regular european.

But in the end this is our roots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR5nwYuikQA

[wvwvw]

Άλλοι το έχουν παραδεχτεί πάντως. Και γιατί να μην το πει;

Ποιοι άλλοι έχεις δει να το παραδέχοντε εκτός από κατι Παιτέρηδες που φαίνοντε από χιλιόμετρο; Σπάνια το παραδέχοντε, ακόμη και η Φουρέιρα μας προέκυψε Βραζιλιάνα. Μήπως είσαι κανένας Αλβανός ή κανα epirot και μας το κρύβεις και συ;

[Sikeliot]

Oh no doubt there is Ottoman influence in the music. But modern popular Balkan music sounds like it belongs in Baghdad or Damascus.. surely it's artificial crap and not anything that would have evolved naturally in the Balkans even with Ottoman influence present.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Oh no doubt there is Ottoman influence in the music. But modern popular Balkan music sounds like it belongs in Baghdad or Damascus.. surely it's artificial crap and not anything that would have evolved naturally in the Balkans even with Ottoman influence present.

Where does the song I linked to belong? That is before Ottomans existed (style).

[Thrax]

Μπα, δεν έχω καταγωγή από κει.

[Pleurat]

This is real balkan music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pce2Dv_gdo4

[wvwvw]

You should get a ban for talking so much crap.

Why? it is alien to the region and it *is* crap. It is usually gypsies that love this type of music. For both gypsies and this crapish music we have Turks to thank for. They "enriched" us culturally lol

[Sikeliot]

Why? it is alien to the region and it *is* crap. It is usually gypsies that love this type of music.

Hell must have frozen over.. Raine and I agree on something !

[Azalea]

Why? it is alien to the region and it *is* crap. It is usually gypsies that love this type of music. For both gypsies and this crapish music we have Turks to thank for. They "enriched" us culturally lol

Gypsy music sounds completely different from Arabic music.

Besides that, Balkan music has it's own sound and doesn't resemble modern Arabic music in any way. Having 'Arabic' influence doesn't make something Arabic. There are tons of other influences in Balkan music too.

[Insuperable]

Oh no doubt there is Ottoman influence in the music. But modern popular Balkan music sounds like it belongs in Baghdad or Damascus.. surely it's artificial crap and not anything that would have evolved naturally in the Balkans even with Ottoman influence present.

I agree

[wvwvw]

Ν/μ

[Sikeliot]

All off topic and arguing deleted. Sorry for derailing the thread.

[Shah-Jehan]

What even Happened:mmmm:?

[Turkophagos]

What do you think?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hBZ7OF6cP74/TOLQbrPJBqI/AAAAAAAAAF0/YPbhw5O9fdk/s400/me_poia_xemalliastike_i_eleni_foyreira_578149_b.jp g

Eleni Fureira: Albanian


http://www.espressonews.gr/sites/default/files/oldarticles/merkouri2.jpg

Eirini Merkouri: Half Gypsy





http://www.cityportal.gr/photos/sotisvolanis.jpg


Sotis Volanis: Fully Gypsy, both his parents were born in Bulgaria (Bulgarian Gypsies)

[Ice]

http://vol0.music-bazaar.com/album-images/vol0/45/45868/70719-big/PAVLIDIS-THEODOROS-LIVE-cover.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRmropMjkCWor8IafDE_AFA1QezR5CY 0lkDLAhcPfxGUdxpbDJ

[Constantine13]

http://vol0.music-bazaar.com/album-images/vol0/45/45868/70719-big/PAVLIDIS-THEODOROS-LIVE-cover.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRmropMjkCWor8IafDE_AFA1QezR5CY 0lkDLAhcPfxGUdxpbDJ

^^Pontian last name. Other guy looks like Borat. LOL

[Constantine13]

Sotis Volanis: Fully Gypsy, both his parents were born in Bulgaria (Bulgarian Gypsies)


Wow. I still don't see the Gypsy. The ones I've seen look nothing like this. Maybe I should get out more. Bulgarian sounds better though.

I've heard a lot of Greek singers are Gypsies (and Asian Greeks too).

[Ice]

^^Pontian last name. Other guy looks like Borat. LOL

first guy:
Theodoros Pavlidis

second:
Stelios Kazantzidis

[Constantine13]

first guy:
Theodoros Pavlidis


Another Pontian name....

[rashka]

This song is an example of what I mean. This type of music is clearly not native to the Balkans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6if25EhrHw
That sounds middle eastern.


Oh no doubt there is Ottoman influence in the music. But modern popular Balkan music sounds like it belongs in Baghdad or Damascus.. surely it's artificial crap and not anything that would have evolved naturally in the Balkans even with Ottoman influence present.

Balkan music is not similar to one another. Maybe some songs are copied, like the Serbian song called Kida Me (tearing me) is a copy of the Greek song called Pare me (not sure what it means though).
In Serbian

http://youtu.be/9wDe2-0Cnmc

In Greek

http://youtu.be/dpykBMjGsOY

[SkyBurn]

http://www.espressonews.gr/sites/default/files/oldarticles/merkouri2.jpg


:blink:

She is stunning

[Skerdilaid]

This is indigenous Balkan music and dance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8shckj-fXY


Here is a Turko-Gypsy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-0jwwM5kwY

[rashka]

This is a distinct gypsy sound in Balkan-Slav music.

http://youtu.be/4dQdKouGLoM

[Skerdilaid]

This is a distinct gypsy sound in Balkan-Slav music.

http://youtu.be/4dQdKouGLoM

What a fuck did I just watch:D

[rashka]

This is real balkan music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pce2Dv_gdo4

This is real Balkan music :rolleyes:

http://youtu.be/zvvuPAJnLOU

http://youtu.be/bYnohOo2Zus

[Sikeliot]

Also "real" Balkan music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28EAWlOXrYs

[Skerdilaid]

This is real Balkan music :rolleyes:

http://youtu.be/zvvuPAJnLOU

http://youtu.be/bYnohOo2Zus

Absolutely not!

The Albanian one is indigenous polyphonic while the ones you posted are definitely Gypsy Harmonica style.

[rashka]

Also "real" Balkan music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28EAWlOXrYs
That song reminds me of some French tune or maybe an old English tune. I forgot the name of it though.

[Sikeliot]

That song reminds me of some French tune or maybe an old English tune. I forgot the name of it though.

I used to say it kind of sounded Italian too.

[rashka]

Absolutely not!

The Albanian one is indigenous polyphonic while the ones you posted are definitely Gypsy Harmonica style.
Are you calling accordion music gypsy? Many European countries use the accordion! The Albanian music you are calling indigenous could be indigenous to Afghanistan but not to the Balkans.

[Skerdilaid]

Are you calling accordion music gypsy? Many European countries use the accordion! The Albanian music you are calling indigenous could be indigenous to Afghanistan but not to the Balkans.

Hahahah That's is the only pure Balkan music that has survived to this day!

[wvwvw]

Are you calling accordion music gypsy? Many European countries use the accordion! The Albanian music you are calling indigenous could be indigenous to Afghanistan but not to the Balkans.

Albanian music has many elements from Homeric music :D

[Sikeliot]

Albanian music is similar to music in Epirus, no? I have listened to music from Epirus in Greece and it is similar to Albanian music.

[Mortimer]

the second picture the female is of half roma half greek ancestry. she is listed as famous roma, and also her wikipedia page says she is roma.

[Mortimer]

What do you think?


http://www.espressonews.gr/sites/default/files/oldarticles/merkouri2.jpg

[Mortimer]

also the balkanites and others saying "turko-gypsy" as if that is the worst insult, and often associate turks and gypsies with something bad and to be hated etc. roma more then turk but also turk is to be hated and foreign etc. it is just as part of the balkan since 500 years, and i like orientalic music (arbesque) performed by roma and or coming from turkey who brought it from the islamic world