Russians launch dedicated center to fight ‘atheist extremism’

[Loki]

Russians launch dedicated center to fight ‘atheist extremism’ (http://rt.com/politics/atheist-extremism-russia-fight-789/)

http://rt.com/files/news/20/2c/d0/00/rian_01219932.hr.en.si.jpg

A group of activists connected with the Russian Orthodox Church are setting up a center against atheist extremism which, according to them, is promoted mainly by foreign-sponsored organizations.

The decision was announced this week at a meeting between city residents and deputies of a district council that was held near the pilgrimage center of the Moscow Patriarchate, in south-west Moscow.

“The atheist extremism is currently rearing its head. It is sponsored by various funds and NGOs with roots outside Russian borders,” reads the first statement released by the new movement.

The group claims that their enemies are opposing citizens’ lawful right for freedom of thought, conscience and religion, guaranteed by the Constitution.

In particular, the activists listed incidents when certain people protested against the construction of new churches, “creating an artificial psychosis and pumping up hysteria by intimidating the public”, quoting non-existent laws and declaring all public discussions unlawful.

The statement emphasized the fact that atheist extremists were often acting on behalf of local residents by creating grassroots groups, but the real masterminds preferred to remain in the dark.

The Moscow City authorities together with the Russian Orthodox Church are currently implementing the so called “Program-200” – a plan according to which 200 Orthodox churches must be erected throughout the capital in the next 10 to 15 years. Russian mass media estimated the overall budget of the program at about $1 billion and financing comes from a non-government fund. The authors of the program claimed that after it is implemented there will be a church for every 20,000 residents located 1 kilometer or less from residential areas.

The program is popular among the religious lobby but it has already met resistance. The Communists and the veteran pro-democracy party, Yabloko, officially voiced protests against new churches and ordinary citizens also often claimed that such a large scale of construction was unnecessary.

In addition, the Program-200 is being carried out in times of especially sharp discourse between religious and agnostic parts of the Russian society. It first started in mass media but became much more real after several girls who called themselves feminist punk band Pussy Riot launched a short gig against the merger between the church and the state in Moscow’s main Cathedral of Christ the Savior.

The punks were put on trial and sentenced to two years each for aggravated hooliganism. After the incident Russian legislators passed a law on protection of believers’ feelings – making any public insult of an official religion a criminal offence punishable with up to three years behind bars.

The Pussy Riot trial and the fresh law prompted an even broader wave of protests across the country – sometimes taking radical forms, such as the felling of memorial crosses in several villages. More often, however, journalists and bloggers gave critical appraisal to the lush lives of church hierarchs and even ordinary clerics, like the case of Hegumen Timofey – a dean of one of Moscow churches who gained notoriety in mid-2012 by causing a major car crash while driving drunk in a BMW Z4 with diplomatic license plates.

In September 2012 the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill said in a public speech that Christianity was under a concerted attack from forces who opposed the national revival of Russians, noting that the alleged merger between the church and the authorities was a deliberately created myth.

[Aunt Hilda]

Loki, I hope you like it.

[Loki]

Loki, I hope you like it.

I don't.

[Acquisitor]

Funny, the country has been fighting against religion from 1917 til 1991, and currently 80% of ethnic russians are practicing Orthodox Christians :)

Russia also has a blasphemy law which forbids insulting feelings of religious people.

[Loki]

Of course I also don't support vandalism and destruction of churches.

[Loki]

Funny, the country has been fighting against religion from 1917 til 1991, and currently 80% of ethnic russians are practicing Orthodox Christians :)


Well yes, that's because after the fall of Communism most Russians returned to their Orthodox roots.

[Acquisitor]

Of course I also don't support vandalism and destruction of churches.

the law is not about vandalism or destruction of churches, the law is about offending feelings of religious people ;)

[Aunt Hilda]

the law is not about vandalism or destruction of churches, the law is about offending feelings of religious people ;)
does that go for all religious people or just orthodox people?

[Loki]

the law is not about vandalism or destruction of churches, the law is about offending feelings of religious people ;)

I wasn't talking about that law, I was talking about the article I posted in this thread ...

[Loki]

does that go for all religious people or just orthodox people?

All, Muslims included.

[Acquisitor]

does that go for all religious people or just orthodox people?
from what I remember they hate western Christians.

naturally the law applies to any religion, also islam for example. That youtube movie from last year about islam was quickly banned in Russia due to being offensive, dont remember how it was called, you know that stupid strange movie which looked like it was made using porno actors and where mohammed was portrayed as half retard with a large beard.

However that law is very flexible, since "offending the feelings of believers" can be widely interpreted.

[Kiyant]

I find it quite funny how some of those people massacred cossaks because they were patriotic russian orthodox christians and are now religious.....

[RussiaPrussia]

naturally the law applies to any religion, also islam for example. That youtube movie from last year about islam was quickly banned in Russia due to being offensive, dont remember how it was called, you know that stupid strange movie which looked like it was made using porno actors and where mohammed was portrayed as half retard with a large beard.

However that law is very flexible, since "offending the feelings of believers" can be widely interpreted.

at least russia banns everything christian offence included, unlike the west who puts critics of islam into hate crime, and only for islam. Just look at thilo sarrazin who had to step down as one of the chiefs of Bundesbank in germany. Meanwhile in the media the catholic church gets bashed for various things from all kind of people.

[Kiyant]

at least russia banns everything christian offence included, unlike the west who puts critics of islam into hate crime, and only for islam. Just look at thilo sarrazin who had to step down as one of the chiefs of Bundesbank in germany. Meanwhile in the media the catholic church gets bashed for various things from all kind of people.
You know that Islam is the second biggest religion in Russia and that the biggest mosque in Europe is in Kazan......

[Acquisitor]

at least russia banns everything christian offence included, unlike the west who puts critics of islam into hate crime, and only for islam. Just look at thilo sarrazin who had to step down as one of the chiefs of Bundesbank in germany. Meanwhile in the media the catholic church gets bashed for various things from all kind of people.

however there is no law against bashing of Islam, and no consequences if one does it.

look at Geert Wilders

[Not a Cop]

Well yes, that's because after the fall of Communism most Russians returned to their Orthodox roots.


Funny, the country has been fighting against religion from 1917 til 1991, and currently 80% of ethnic russians are practicing Orthodox Christians :)

Russia also has a blasphemy law which forbids insulting feelings of religious people.

Bull Shit. 30% of russians do attend church on Christmas at max, maybe 10% do the strict style orthodoxy

[Acquisitor]

Bull Shit. 30% of russians do attend church on Christmas at max, maybe 10% do the strict style orthodoxy

http://mir24.tv/news/society/7290635

+ numerous other sources.

by "practicing" Christians I didnt mean "strictly" practicing christians.

[glass]

i hope that program will not be implemented
lol it is 21 century not 15

[glass]

http://mir24.tv/news/society/7290635

+ numerous other sources.

by "practicing" Christians I didnt mean "strictly" practicing christians.
most people allege themselves to orthodox church because it is russian orthodox church, very few attend churches actually

[Acquisitor]

i hope that program will not be implemented
lol it is 21 century not 15

in your country it is. not in everything but in most things.

look at this disgusting clown, listen to his speech, look at the plebs who see him with their empty eyes asif he is Jesus himself.

This guy has more power in your country than one can imagine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FTNhB1bHEs

[Not a Cop]

http://mir24.tv/news/society/7290635

+ numerous other sources.

by "practicing" Christians I didnt mean "strictly" practicing christians.

Well maybe there are 80% of Baptismed people, and what do you mean by practicing? Wearing a cross?

[Methmatician]

Where's the freedom of speech?

[glass]

in your country it is. not in everything but in most things.

look at this disgusting clown, listen to his speech, look at the plebs who see him with their empty eyes asif he is Jesus himself.

This guy has more power in your country than one can imagine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FTNhB1bHEs
he has no power he is just instrument to influence some kind of people, those religious etc. That is russian political model, give to every large enough group personal clown to amuse them, while tsar still makes all decisions. It was such since Peter the Great if not early

[Twistedmind]

Well maybe there are 80% of Baptismed people, and what do you mean by practicing? Wearing a cross?

Probably baptyzing their children, taking communion once or few time at year, having religious marriage at some point or another. That's what people were doing under communism, and continued now. Gagarin baptized his daughter few days before going in orbit.


he has no power he is just instrument to influence some kind of people, those religious etc. That is russian political model, give to every large enough group personal clown to amuse them, while tsar still makes all decisions. It was such since Peter the Great if not early
Peter the Great forefeit Patriarchy, because his conflicts with Adrian I and metropolitan Stefan of Ryazan' who was locum tenens. From other hand, Patriarch Yoakim was instrumental in his rise to power, and saved his life as well.

[Acquisitor]

he has no power he is just instrument to influence some kind of people, those religious etc. That is russian political model, give to every large enough group personal clown to amuse them, while tsar still makes all decisions. It was such since Peter the Great if not early

yes, you are absolutely right, however the fact that this fking clown can influence some kind of people and is a tool in the hands of the czar is pathetic by itself. The fact that the russian political model has this clown is sad, very sad.

[RussiaPrussia]

You know that Islam is the second biggest religion in Russia and that the biggest mosque in Europe is in Kazan......

Thats not true, atheism and orthodoxy are the biggest religions in russia. So there is a mosque and whats the point? There is also church right next to it

http://russiafromabove.ru/assets/galleries/tatarstan/big_port128n.jpg


however there is no law against bashing of Islam, and no consequences if one does it.

look at Geert Wilders

of course there are laws they are unwritten and called political correctness. You get punished by it in losing your job and your career. I am not against banning free speech if its used to bash religions as long as its for all bashing of religions thats not the case in the west.

[RussiaPrussia]

yes, you are absolutely right, however the fact that this fking clown can influence some kind of people and is a tool in the hands of the czar is pathetic by itself. The fact that the russian political model has this clown is sad, very sad.

hey thats very similar to another pseudo western country

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2013/01/F130122YS21.jpg
http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2013/01/F110203FFIY10.jpg


Anti-gay law and now this...I guess Russians now will feel even more spiritually superior in comparison to the rotten West :laugh:

indeed, russia has many things in comon to israel

[Acquisitor]

hey thats very similar to another pseudo western country



indeed, russia has many things in comon to israel

why do u involve Israel in this discussion ? yes the situation with religion over there is quite bad as well.

your argument is completely misplaced.

[RussiaPrussia]

why do u involve Israel in this discussion ? yes the situation with religion over there is quite bad as well.

your argument is completely misplaced.

why arent you obsessed with isael then too?

[Acquisitor]

why arent you obsessed with isael then too?

because I'm not you ?

I may occasionally defend some Israeli policies but thats all.

your "Israel" argument in this topic is beyond pathetic.

[Loki]

Thats not true, atheism and orthodoxy are the biggest religions in russia. So there is a mosque and whats the point? There is also church right next to it

http://russiafromabove.ru/assets/galleries/tatarstan/big_port128n.jpg



Beautiful architecture - both the church and the mosque.

[Acquisitor]

"Decaying West" or "Rotting West" (rus: "Загнивающий запад") - is the term used in Soviet era to refer to the social order and moral norms in U.S. and other Western countries, which were allegedly corrupt and rapidly eroding.

Sure, back then many Soviet citizens were able to travel to the West in the first place. :rolleyes:

one of the funny things about that is that red army soldiers who liberated nazi Germany were quite shocked by the standards of life in the rotting west, they were shocked so much that many of them were sent to Siberia to prevent them from refuting this propaganda ;)

[Acquisitor]

can anyone from Russia tell me why liberalism is so unpopular in your country ? why is it being seen as "american propaganda" ?

[RussiaPrussia]

one of the funny things about that is that red army soldiers who liberated nazi Germany were quite shocked by the standards of life in the rotting west, they were shocked so much that many of them were sent to Siberia to prevent them from refuting this propaganda ;)

great living standards

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Nuremberg_in_ruins_1945_HD-SN-99-02987.JPG

http://www.annefrankguide.net/de-de/content/66224%20junge%20vor%20ruine%20in%20d%2045.jpg

http://cdn2.spiegel.de/images/image-103381-galleryV9-rgki.jpg

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dresden-germany-february-1945.jpg

[Acquisitor]

why do u post pics of destroyed Berlin ?

the "shock" came primarely during liberation of smaller villages where red army soldiers saw that bread can be white, that every house was clean, had its own bathroom, a wine cellar, hams hanging out and drying and so on ;) you know how German countryside is. The difference between German countryside and kolhoz was so big that some soldiers said "why do we liberate you, its us who should be libarated"...

[glass]

yes, you are absolutely right, however the fact that this fking clown can influence some kind of people and is a tool in the hands of the czar is pathetic by itself. The fact that the russian political model has this clown is sad, very sad.
there is religious there is tool to manage them nothing personal just business

Anti-gay law and now this...I guess Russians now will feel even more spiritually superior in comparison to the rotten West :laugh:
lol, actually majority of population against new churches, and this initiative is just initiavite from low ranked official, though some part of population wants to be spiritualy superior
once again some pathetic clown said something stupid, western media immediately make sensation

Sure, back then many Soviet citizens were able to travel to the West in the first place
unable you mean?


can anyone from Russia tell me why liberalism is so unpopular in your country ? why is it being seen as "american propaganda" ?
because it is

[Acquisitor]

Russia can have great, wonderful future, but the country needs way better management and liberation from spirits of the past. It can be done imo.

[Quasimodem]

The group claims that their enemies are opposing citizens’ lawful right for freedom of thought, conscience and religion, guaranteed by the Constitution.

Adding freedom of speech to them laws would be a nice step.


making any public insult of an official religion a criminal offence punishable with up to three years behind bars.


That's not a nice step.

[RussiaPrussia]

why do u post pics of destroyed Berlin ?

the "shock" came primarely during liberation of smaller villages where red army soldiers saw that bread can be white, that every house was clean, had its own bathroom, a wine cellar, hams hanging out and drying and so on ;) you know how German countryside is. The difference between German countryside and kolhoz was so big that some soldiers said "why do we liberate you, its us who should be libarated"...

yeah after the germans burned their villages they sure look better, stop with your jewish/nazi propaganda plz, you take every myth even nazi myths when ever it helps the porpose to bash russia. whener i show logical facts you try to avoid it and say something unlogical. Russians soldiers who were sent to siberia were mostly involved with german girls

[Acquisitor]

yeah after the germans burned their villages they sure look better, stop with your jewish/nazi propaganda plz, you take every myth even nazi myths when ever it helps the porpose to bash russia. whener i show logical facts you try to avoid it and say something unlogical. Russians soldiers who were sent to siberia were mostly involved with german girls

god you are dumb and extremely shallow. you cant even read. your mind is a chaos.

see a doctor prussiarussia, autism, adhd, anything of that kind is surely present in you.

I mean you cant even interpret the information.

[RussiaPrussia]

god you are dumb and extremely shallow. you cant even read. your mind is a chaos.

see a doctor prussiarussia, autism, adhd, anything of that kind is surely present in you.

I mean you cant even interpret the information.

and what if i had autism? Does it make me less credible in my opinions and facts i post. Youre a typical liberal hypocrite, you say you wanna protect LGBT rights and other various kinds of minorities yet when it comes to personal life you use everyone weakness to bash minorities.

Autism Pride Worldwide fuck you
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Autism_awareness_ribbon-20051114.png

[Acquisitor]

and what if i had autism? Does it make me less credible in my opinions and facts i post. Youre a typical liberal hypocrite, you say you wanna protect LGBT rights and other various kinds of minorities yet when it comes to personal life you use everyone weakness to bash minorities.

Autism Pride Worldwide fuck you

there is nothing wrong with being autistic, but it greatly hinders your ability to argue. Bits and pieces of information are processed differently by your brain, you jump from one thing to another, your mind processes information in a very special way and gives unrelated result in many cases.

take a look at this example:

I say "soviet soldiers who grew up believing that the west was rotting, were shocked to see very prosperous german villages, they couldnt believe what they saw, epsecially compared to their kolhoz".

and your answer is:


yeah after the germans burned their villages they sure look better, stop with your jewish/nazi propaganda plz, you take every myth even nazi myths when ever it helps the porpose to bash russia. whener i show logical facts you try to avoid it and say something unlogical. Russians soldiers who were sent to siberia were mostly involved with german girls

your reaction is completely unrelated and different. Your mind caught some bits and pieces, processed them and gave the result which is not relation to the original post in any credible way.

there is nothing wrong with having some degree of autism, but it makes arguing with you very difficult. Not because your have "superior arguments" as you may convince yourself, but because your arguments are (in many cases at least) unpredictable and illogical.

So Im not saying "haha u are autistic" but I'm saying "its very difficult to argue with you, its even pointless, since you will jump at random conclusions and post random arguments".

[RussiaPrussia]

there is nothing wrong with being autistic, but it greatly hinders your ability to argue. Bits and pieces of information are processed differently by your brain, you jump from one thing to another, your mind processes information in a very special way and gives unrelated result in many cases.

take a look at this example:

I say "soviet soldiers who grew up believing that the west was rotting, were shocked to see very prosperous german villages, they couldnt believe what they saw, epsecially compared to their kolhoz".

and your answer is:



your reaction is completely unrelated and different. Your mind caught some bits and pieces, processed them and gave the result which is not relation to the original post in any credible way.

there is nothing wrong with having some degree of autism, but it makes arguing with you very difficult. Not because your have "superior arguments" as you may convince yourself, but because your arguments are (in many cases at least) unpredictable and illogical.

So Im not saying "haha u are autistic" but I'm saying "its very difficult to argue with you, its even pointless, since you will jump at random conclusions and post random arguments".

doesnt change the fact that this is a ww2 myth which i heard many times without any proof to back it up from you or others. So it never happened as you cant back it up.

[Kiyant]

It is true that the home of a normal german was vastly superior to the home of a russian/soviet but it didnt really amaze them that much my grandfather said that when he was in Berlin he was amazed how well structured everything was and how good the people lived before the war there.

[glass]

It is true that the home of a normal german was vastly superior to the home of a russian/soviet but it didnt really amaze them that much my grandfather said that when he was in Berlin he was amazed how well structured everything was and how good the people lived before the war there.
before war not in 1945

[Kiyant]

before war not in 1945
That is true when my grandfather arrived there to fight Berlin looked like ass.To say the truth after his little trip to Belzec he didnt feel very bad for Berlin.

[Dandelion]

naturally the law applies to any religion, also islam for example. That youtube movie from last year about islam was quickly banned in Russia due to being offensive, dont remember how it was called, you know that stupid strange movie which looked like it was made using porno actors and where mohammed was portrayed as half retard with a large beard.


Oh, that 'movie'. Received so much commotion and turned out to be shameless garbage. If there were no riots of crybabies no one even would have known the existence of the film. Funny, because I've seen a Muhammad Islam mockery film before with clayfigures which was done pretty well, yet muslims didn't decide to riot against that one.

[alb0zfinest]

Funny, the country has been fighting against religion from 1917 til 1991, and currently 80% of ethnic russians are practicing Orthodox Christians :)

Russia also has a blasphemy law which forbids insulting feelings of religious people.


Have you heard of the group Pussy riot in Russia?

[alb0zfinest]

Thats not true, atheism and orthodoxy are the biggest religions in russia. So there is a mosque and whats the point? There is also church right next to it




of course there are laws they are unwritten and called political correctness. You get punished by it in losing your job and your career. I am not against banning free speech if its used to bash religions as long as its for all bashing of religions thats not the case in the west.

:D
Might as well put it as my signature.

[Dandelion]

in your country it is. not in everything but in most things.

look at this disgusting clown, listen to his speech, look at the plebs who see him with their empty eyes asif he is Jesus himself.

This guy has more power in your country than one can imagine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FTNhB1bHEs

Patriarch Kirill is also a huge hypocrite.

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4f7f2a15eab8ea302a000016-618-527/kirill-watch.jpg

I wish the Russian government put their Orthodox Church back in their place, but sadly the opposite is happening (also for PR reasons toward the dumb plebs)

[Acquisitor]

doesnt change the fact that this is a ww2 myth which i heard many times without any proof to back it up from you or others. So it never happened as you cant back it up.

so because you dont believe in it and dont believe numerous witnesses then it never happened ?

in that case one can refute nearly any historical evidence.

or maybe you need a time machine to see it for yourself and then you would believe it ?

do you also dispute that German countryside was much richer and better structured than Soviet countryside during that time ? take not occupied Soviet countryside.

[Not a Cop]

:D
Might as well put it as my signature.

Nothing wrong with that

[Acquisitor]

Patriarch Kirill is also a huge hypocrite.

I wish the Russian government put their Orthodox Church back in their place, but sadly the opposite is happening (also for PR reasons toward the dumb plebs)

I dont see a prob with him having money, its ok, fine, whatever. I see a problem with the society a part of which can be influenced by this Kremlin's muppet.

[Not a Cop]

Russia can have great, wonderful future, but the country needs way better management and liberation from spirits of the past. It can be done imo.

It's the point of every discussion about Russia, it is actually ironic (in a bad way) because in XIX century Russia was at it highest point, while the whole XX was a darkest hour - in this time there was'nt a decade without some major shit happening ( i do'nt say that there were'nt a things that could be proud of as Space flight, sports, engeneering and etc) so Russia did'nt manage to do the major goal, which was stated in early XX century - to get on the same development level with West.

In my opinion it happened mainly because of genocide of the best human resourses: White emegration, Stalins purges, Germans (who were probably the second most important people in Russia before the revolution, due to being overrepresented in Army,Buisness and Science), Jews in Stalins era.

Nowday Russia's Rulling model is fucked up mix consisting of Soviet structure with legalized criminals from 90-s who became officials with rising influence of Church because of Putin and Mad Patriarch in head of it, but i hope it will change soon.

[Dandelion]

I dont see a prob with him having money, its ok, fine, whatever. I see a problem with the society a part of which can be influenced by this Kremlin's muppet.

But having the picture censored is (probably not his decision, but certainly of people who defend the Orthodox Church). Worthy of losing some respect.

[Acquisitor]

It's the point of every discussion about Russia, it is actually ironic (in a bad way) because in XIX century Russia was at it highest point, while the whole XX was a darkest hour - in this time there was'nt a decade without some major shit happening ( i do'nt say that there were'nt a things that could be proud of as Space flight, sports, engeneering and etc) so Russia did'nt manage to do the major goal, which was stated in early XX century - to get on the same development level with West.

In my opinion it happened mainly because of genocide of the best human resourses: White emegration, Stalins purges, Germans (who were probably the second most important people in Russia before the revolution, due to being overrepresented in Army,Buisness and Science), Jews in Stalins era.

Nowday Russia's Rulling model is fucked up mix consisting of Soviet structure with legalized criminals from 90-s who became officials with rising influence of Church because of Putin and Mad Patriarch in head of it, but i hope it will change soon.

ironically the space flight was also made possible due to German engineering.

Not disputing the role of ethnic Germans prior to revolution, you could be correct.

What can be done anyway ? Clearly Putin is cementing his power and the power of his party by implementing rather conservative laws and by brainwashing the population which is quite bad.

When oil fell from $148 to $35 in a straight line in 2008 Putin blamed the West for the "crisis", people probably believed him plus the country had vast foreign currency reserves to buy its way out of the recession. What if the commodity super cycle ends tomorrow and billions of free money no longer find their way into the russian economy, what do you think will happen with Putin's support ?

1) Putin will not become more or less popular since his power is already quite absolute.

2) Putin and his party will lose support and new forces will replace him, the forces could be:

a) progressive and liberal
b) even more conservative than "United Russia & Putin" (fascism, or communism?)

I dont see a way to replace Putin other than through a serious economical crisis. Even if he dies tomorrow the party can easily spawn another beast to replace him.

which of the three things do u think are more likely to happen ?

and the worst question, the most scary one.

Could it be that Putin is the "best" that such a diverse country can hope for ?

[Not a Cop]

ironically the space flight was also made possible due to German engineering.

Not disputing the role of ethnic Germans prior to revolution, you could be correct.

What can be done anyway ? Clearly Putin is cementing his power and the power of his party by implementing rather conservative laws and by brainwashing the population which is quite bad.

When oil fell from $148 to $35 in a straight line in 2008 Putin blamed the West for the "crisis", people probably believed him plus the country had vast foreign currency reserves to buy its way out of the recession. What if the commodity super cycle ends tomorrow and billions of free money no longer find their way into the russian economy, what do you think will happen with Putin's support ?

1) Putin will not become more or less popular since his power is already quite absolute.

2) Putin and his party will lose support and new forces will replace him, the forces could be:

a) progressive and liberal
b) even more conservative than "United Russia & Putin" (fascism, or communism?)

I dont see a way to replace Putin other than through a serious economical crisis. Even if he dies tomorrow the party can easily spawn another beast to replace him.

which of the three things do u think are more likely to happen ?

and the worse question, the most scary one.

Could it be that Putin is the "best" that such a diverse country can hope for ?


About the Flight - it's arguable caise of rocket launching is still a Russian invention.

About changes- there are three factors that moves masses currently in Russia (from most inmortant to least):
1.Economy
2.National conflicts (here we have two stress points - north caucasians and central asians)
3.Unlawfull behaviour of officials (elections, corruption)

About the point that party can replace him- i do'nt think so it's more likely that he can replacy the party then the other way round, so if Putin will suddenly disappear there will be political crisis for sure

Also the other stress point is the fact that Russia cant defend russian people even in nearby countries (Baltic states, Ukraine, Caucaus, Central Asia)

[Acquisitor]

About the Flight - it's arguable caise of rocket launching is still a Russian invention.

About changes- there are three factors that moves masses currently in Russia (from most inmortant to least):
1.Economy
2.National conflicts (here we have two stress points - north caucasians and central asians)
3.Unlawfull behaviour of officials (elections, corruption)

About the point that party can replace him- i do'nt think so it's more likely that he can replacy the party then the other way round, so if Putin will suddenly disappear there will be political crisis for sure

it would be interesting to see behavior of the masses in an economical crisis.

and the soyuz rocket's grandma is the v2 rocket...

[Acquisitor]

Have you heard of the group Pussy riot in Russia?

ofc..

what surprised me the most that two of them are young mothers and their appeals to be released were declined.

while another young mother, unrelated to Pussy riot, but who killed two pedestrians while driving a car under influence appealed to be released based on the need of her child(ren) to have a mother, her appeal was approved.

[RussiaPrussia]

:D
Might as well put it as my signature.

Why that? Because i call atheism a religion, its a religion because atheists act like its one


It's the point of every discussion about Russia, it is actually ironic (in a bad way) because in XIX century Russia was at it highest point, while the whole XX was a darkest hour - in this time there was'nt a decade without some major shit happening ( i do'nt say that there were'nt a things that could be proud of as Space flight, sports, engeneering and etc) so Russia did'nt manage to do the major goal, which was stated in early XX century - to get on the same development level with West.



where do you know russia was richer in 19 century? Russia was richest in the 60s in comparison to the west and clearly at the highest point.

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/7457/hf1o.png


In my opinion it happened mainly because of genocide of the best human resourses: White emegration, Stalins purges, Germans (who were probably the second most important people in Russia before the revolution, due to being overrepresented in Army,Buisness and Science), Jews in Stalins era.
This is another myth that you and other people say, that russians are stupid because stalin killed all smart people, but smart people arent dumb and dont up rise to get shot they might find a loophole to get in charge of the new regime.

also ever heard of eugenics? So your theory doesnt make any sense. Many people died or moved away but its usually only weak people who moved or got killed while the stronger and smarter folks survived. This is how ashkenazi jews got so smart because only the strongest and smartest survived the purges, desseases or other theorys and made children.
If you take that into account and all the alcoholism, aids and other shit many dumb russians are doing today its clearly the remaining russians will become some kind of a master race in some decades which you can already see the effect.

http://imageshack.us/a/img842/2929/unbenannthvk.png

[Not a Cop]

Why that? Because i call atheism a religion, its a religion because atheists act like its one



where do you know russia was richer in 19 century? Russia was richest in the 60s in comparison to the west and clearly at the highest point.

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/7457/hf1o.png


This is another myth that you and other people say, that russians are stupid because stalin killed all smart people, but smart people arent dumb and dont up rise to get shot they might find a loophole to get in charge of the new regime.

also ever heard of eugenics? So your theory doesnt make any sense. Many people died or moved away but its usually only weak people who moved or got killed while the stronger and smarter folks survived. This is how ashkenazi jews got so smart because only the strongest and smartest survived the purges, desseases or other theorys and made children.
If you take that into account and all the alcoholism, aids and other shit many dumb russians are doing today its clearly the remaining russians will become some kind of a master race in some decades which you can already see the effect.

http://imageshack.us/a/img842/2929/unbenannthvk.png

1.I did'nt said that Russia was richest, i said that it was a very good century for Russia unlike XX

2. You are going to decline, that White emigration, Purges etc. affected the most valueble parts of population?

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I read criticism of Russia until I've seen the footage, Pussy riot really over did it, can't blame that Russian authorities for arrest and punishment (not in that proportion tho).
Not that I support the 'erection' of 200 opium houses throughout the capital in the next 10 to 15 years.