Jewish blood among ethnic Germans

[Ultra]

I've heard rumours and sayings regarding ethnic Germans having Jewish blood. The most shocking ones(if they were to be true) is that the majority of ethnic Germans to some degree have Jewish blood. I've heard this a few times, and some even say that genetics confirm this and establishes it as a fact. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on which agenda one might have, I've found nothing on my searchs on the net for evidence regarding this. Is it true or not? After all, there were A LOT of Jews who lived in Germany prior to WW2, and many half-Jews and quarter-Jews who served on Nazi-Germany's behalf in WW2. So it doesn't sound perhaps too far-fetched to me especially seeing as how there always have been many Jews living in Germany historically as well.

[Shah-Jehan]

CrystalMaiden will freak:lol:!

[Ultra]

CrystalMaiden will freak:lol:!
Hey-hey, don't shoot the messenger!!! :) Besides she is more Gothic than German no? Maybe something for her AMA.

[Loki]

I think a lot of Germans have a small amount of Jewish blood.

[mr. logan]

Germans are no semites.

[Shah-Jehan]

Germans are no semites.

Being Semitic isn't genetic, but, cultural and linguistic:laugh:

[Loki]

Germans are no semites.

Nobody said they were.

[Swearengen]

Jews were everywhere back then. A lot were in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, and other places I'm sure.

Although I guess they were in Germany for a lot longer.

[Smeagol]

Probably not, but many Nazis during WW2 were part Jew.

[Smeagol]

Germans are no semites.

Most Ashkenazi Jews don't have a Semitic phenotype.

[Stormer99]

Most Ashkenazi Jews don't have a Semitic phenotype.

Yes they do. Stop lying.

[ariel]

have not such thing as "semitic phenotype" .

[Loki]

Yes they do. Stop lying.

:picard2:

[riverman]

I think a lot of Germans have a small amount of Jewish blood.


It wouldn't surprise me, I assume some Jewish ancestry in my German heritage... though I'm only a bit German....makes sense to me.
This topic sort of relates to my suspicion that Ashkenaz might possibly be getting all European results sometimes on 23&me etc, not sure about that though.

[Stormer99]

have not such thing as "semitic phenotype" .

There are different types of Semitic phenotypes.

[ariel]

There are different types of Semitic phenotypes.

no, semitic is only linguistic group and not racially one.

[Stormer99]

no, semitic is only linguistic group and not racially one.

True it is a linguistic and to some extent cultural group BUT within the ethnic groups that comprise Semitic there are some physical features in common that you hardly see outside of the Middle East.

[Blackout]

False.


I've heard rumours

Thats all they are. Dont worry about what other people say...

[ariel]

True it is a linguistic and to some extent cultural group BUT within the ethnic groups that comprise Semitic there are some physical features in common that you hardly see outside of the Middle East.

i dont think so. mesopotamians and arabs look very different to each others. especially if we are talking about levantines.all the three look very diferent to each others.

[Aunt Hilda]

After all, there were A LOT of Jews who lived in Germany prior to WW2

less than 1% of the population.

[Loki]

False.


Have you ever looked at genetic tests? A lot of Europeans have minor Ashkenazi.

[Blackout]

Have you ever looked at genetic tests? A lot of Europeans have minor Ashkenazi.

Im sure there are Germans who have Jewish blood, such people are usually aware of it aswell. To make a sweeping statement however that 'majority' of Germans have Jewish blood, does not make sense to me.

[Smeagol]

Yes they do. Stop lying.

No they don't. Semitic=Arabid.

[CrystalMaiden]

Have you ever looked at genetic tests? A lot of Europeans have minor Ashkenazi.

Not here.

[Philo]

Most Ashkenazi Jews don't have a Semitic phenotype.

Of course they (we) don't have a Semitic phenotype. There's no such thing as a Semitic phenotype. Just as your profile says you are "Aryan + Baltid" yet there's no such thing as Aryan phenotype.

less than 1% of the population.

QFT.

[Smeagol]

Of course they (we) don't have a Semitic phenotype. There's no such thing as a Semitic phenotype. Just as your profile says you are "Aryan + Baltid" yet there's no such thing as Aryan phenotype.

Yes there is. Semitic=Arabid, Aryan=Nordic.

[Philo]

Yes there is. Semitic=Arabid, Aryan=Nordic.

Dumb post.

[Styggnacke]

I've heard rumours and sayings regarding ethnic Germans having Jewish blood. The most shocking ones(if they were to be true) is that the majority of ethnic Germans to some degree have Jewish blood. I've heard this a few times, and some even say that genetics confirm this and establishes it as a fact. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on which agenda one might have, I've found nothing on my searchs on the net for evidence regarding this. Is it true or not? After all, there were A LOT of Jews who lived in Germany prior to WW2, and many half-Jews and quarter-Jews who served on Nazi-Germany's behalf in WW2. So it doesn't sound perhaps too far-fetched to me especially seeing as how there always have been many Jews living in Germany historically as well.
Jews have always been a tiny and endogamous group wherever they have been, mostly centered in cities. That the majority of Germans would have Jewish ancestry is a truly ridiculous notion.

:picard2:
No, you're right, they look very European :picard2:

http://www.resume.se/Thumbnails/a6ccf89467baceaa5530c40511a9cff5/768/509/3200082347/4294506487/IMG_4299.JPG
http://hd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00179/50010_jpg_179702v530x800.jpg
http://limmud.se/wp-content/uploads/images/Jonathan%20Leman%20pressbild02.liten.jpg

Have you ever looked at genetic tests? A lot of Europeans have minor Ashkenazi.
No, that isn't true.

[Smeagol]

Dumb post.

No. Original, Semites were mostly Arabid, proto-Aryans were Nordic mainly.

[YeshAtid]

[QUOTE=Styggnacke;1847747]Jews have always been a tiny and endogamous group wherever they have been, mostly centered in cities. That the majority of Germans would have Jewish ancestry is a truly ridiculous notion.

No, you're right, they look very European :picard2:

Those are cherrypicked. A lot in my family could pass a fully european

[Peikko]

Of course they (we) don't have a Semitic phenotype. There's no such thing as a Semitic phenotype. Just as your profile says you are "Aryan + Baltid" yet there's no such thing as Aryan phenotype.

There's no such phenotype as Baltid either.

[Smeagol]

There's no such phenotype as Baltid either.

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-baltid.htm

[Philo]

No, you're right, they look very European :picard2:

It does'nt work like that :picard2:. Like I said there's no "Semitic" phenotype.

No. Original, Semites were mostly Arabid, proto-Aryans were Nordic mainly.

Maybe original, that does'nt apply to today. North-west Semites(Jews included) are just as Semitic as central Semites.

There's no such phenotype as Baltid either.

I guess but that makes more sense than "Aryan" or "Semitic" :lol:

[Peikko]

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-baltid.htm

Just because someone did that web-page, doesn't mean that the phenotype exists. Read some real anthropology, please.

It just shows how amateurish SNPA is, that this guy was used as "Baltid" example, when in fact, Gunther classified him as faelid and Coon as East Baltic:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/Paul_von_Hindenburg.jpg

[Smeagol]

Maybe original, that does'nt apply to today. North-west Semites(Jews included) are just as Semitic as central Semites.

Yes it does apply to today, the purest Semites are still the Arabians. Jews at the most have Semitic admixture, and that's not all of them.

[just]

I can't assert about this, but it is sure that many Jewish people have Germanic blood.

[Smeagol]

Just because someone did that web-page, doesn't mean that the phenotype exists. Read some real anthropology, please.

East Baltic is a more accurate term in your opinion?

[Smeagol]

I can't assert about this, but it is sure that many Jewish people have Germanic blood.

Ashkenazis all have Germanic blood.

[Peikko]

East Baltic is a more accurate term in your opinion?
Yes, in a sense, that I don't recall any anthropologist having "baltid" in their taxonomy.

[Philo]

Yes it does apply to today, the purest Semites are still the Arabians. Jews at the most have Semitic admixture, and that's not all of them.
I think you are deluding yourself because you hate to be associated with a Middle-Eastern language group. Feel sorry for you matre.

[Smeagol]

I think you are deluding yourself because you hate to be associated with a Middle-Eastern language group. Feel sorry for you matre.

What I say is true.

[Hayalet]

Where is ficuscarica when you need him?

[Kiyant]

Normal jews were 1% of the german population so i dont think that most germans have jewish blood inside them....

[sql]

Roughly 2% according to AncestryDNA

[curupira]

Here is a famous example, Helmut Schmidt. I learnt he was 1/4 Jewish not too long ago. He was Prime Minister of West Germany (16 May 1974 – 1 October 1982).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Schmidt

http://a2.tvspielfilm.de/imedia/1450/5851450,Q23RQukY_D11rHv6RHP+72gBN8b4VRadnoNN2YV1Yg dsb17f8NNa_tbu1zDcWeTeiVm1mdxy5O0PCGbSWSZ7KA==.jpg

[Smitty]

Roughly 2% according to AncestryDNA

2% of Germans have Jewish blood, Germans average 2% Jewish admixture, or all Germans have 2% Jewish admixture?

[sql]

2% of Germans have Jewish blood, Germans average 2% Jewish admixture, or all Germans have 2% Jewish admixture?

the first one

[Neon Knight]

2% of Germans have Jewish blood . . ?

I wonder what it is in other European countries.

[Smitty]

I wonder what it is in other European countries.

Good question. I wonder how they arrived at that stat, for one thing. I don't trust genetics that much, although that undoubtedly makes me the exception to the rule on The Apricity. :) Still, it sounds reasonable.

Jewish admixture has to be the highest in Iberia and Italy, then France/Germany/Poland/Russia/etc., if I were to take a guess. Iberia and Italy (Sicily, at least) were guilty of the "Convert, leave, or die" edicts, which had to boost rates of conversion and intermarriage. The others seemed to tolerate Jewish presence, albeit with some degree of persecution. But because of that tolerance, I would guess they ironically kept the admixture rates lower. Your homeland has to be near the bottom of the list. I believe England kicked the Jews out at one point, no? Regardless, I don't think there's been a historically significant Jewish population there.

[sql]

Good question. I wonder how they arrived at that stat, for one thing. I don't trust genetics that much, although that undoubtedly makes me the exception to the rule on The Apricity. :) Still, it sounds reasonable.

Jewish admixture has to be the highest in Iberia and Italy, then France/Germany/Poland/Russia/etc., if I were to take a guess. Iberia and Italy (Sicily, at least) were guilty of the "Convert, leave, or die" edicts, which had to boost rates of conversion and intermarriage. The others seemed to tolerate Jewish presence, albeit with some degree of persecution. But because of that tolerance, I would guess they ironically kept the admixture rates lower. Your homeland has to be near the bottom of the list. I believe England kicked the Jews out at one point, no? Regardless, I don't think there's been a historically significant Jewish population there.

Remind me tomorrow, I will find these figures for you

[Neon Knight]

Good question. I wonder how they arrived at that stat, for one thing. I don't trust genetics that much, although that undoubtedly makes me the exception to the rule on The Apricity. :) Still, it sounds reasonable.

Jewish admixture has to be the highest in Iberia and Italy, then France/Germany/Poland/Russia/etc., if I were to take a guess. Iberia and Italy (Sicily, at least) were guilty of the "Convert, leave, or die" edicts, which had to boost rates of conversion and intermarriage. The others seemed to tolerate Jewish presence, albeit with some degree of persecution. But because of that tolerance, I would guess they ironically kept the admixture rates lower. Your homeland has to be near the bottom of the list. I believe England kicked the Jews out at one point, no? Regardless, I don't think there's been a historically significant Jewish population there.

Yes, I don't think there have been many Jews in Britain in the past but according to the info. below there are quite a few now, so it must have been mostly from immigration during and after the war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

[Cristiano viejo]

I am seeing in these moments the Polish Martin Gortat and I remembered this thread

http://img.kimdir.com/kimdir/m/a/2f9fbe235daf853b54bfd76d09a3e4b08e91bd3d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Gortat(js)1.jpg/682px-Gortat(js)1.jpg