Is Anglojew European enough?

[Insuperable]

:picard2:They are

:picard2:hahahahahahah:picard1:

Yes, Swedes, Brits, Germans and Lebanese are very similar:picard1:

[Fire Haired]

No I am just pointing out the obvious. My main component is West Asian yet what is European doesn't depend on which components you have but it's the frequency of the components combined. All Europeans have at least 15% North Euro like DNA and less than 18% Southwest Asian and not more than 30% West Asian.

Assyrians, Armenians lack any North European and have more Southwest Asian and much more West Asian.

Iranians have some North European but not enough for European standards, They have South European average Southwest Asian but some 6% more South Asian. They also have too much West Asian genes.

Levantins have close to the average amoung of Mediterranean found among Europeans but they also have considerably more (almost twice) Southwest Asian component and also some 5% more Sub Saharan African component.

And the list goes on and Kurds are similar case.

So no, West Asian being part of the genetic pool does not make me an European at all.

But what you seem to not get is, If you consider Mediterranean part of European gene pool while West Asian not (which is out of sense) than you automatically claim that even Jordanians are more European than Georgians which is just ridiculous.

Let alone that the West Asian component is the closest you get to North European.

good point but if ur Kurdish and mainly west Asian ur not European i dont know if u where arguing that or not. North Euro is the only for sure group that existed in Europe in Paleolithic times probably arrived over 30,000ybp and may define European ethnicity. The percentages on aust dna tests i dont think always tell exactly what ur ancestry is Because then most europeans are half or less than half european.

west asian and north euro are very close
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Xal68HraeTs/UJBfD1d2CoI/AAAAAAAAAzU/yvTVW2WNvLQ/s640/1_2.png

Maybe because they split not that long ago.

[Permafrost]

Referring to oneself in third person is a very Euro thing, so I concur Anglojew is indeed European.

[YeshAtid]

:picard2:hahahahahahah:picard1:

Yes, Swedes, Brits, Germans and Lebanese are very similar:picard1:

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/maronite-dinner-at-phoenicia/maronite-dinner-at-phoenicia-19.jpg

[A1234567]

This thread reminds me of monkeys throwing their shit at each other.

[Vesuvian Sky]

...If you consider Mediterranean part of European gene pool while West Asian not (which is out of sense) than you automatically claim that even Jordanians are more European than Georgians which is just ridiculous.

Let alone that the West Asian component is the closest you get to North European.

Absurdity abounds here yet again. I don't even know where to begin...

I've explained to you already in the other thread why Med. is more archaic then you think. You're thinking in terms of ethnic conceptions of what things should be rather then time depth of actual components and the actual implications per reference population. Seriously, I really don't know how to get this across to you. Dienkes is not absolute truth BTW. His reasoning is questioned all over the net. Just cause he says something you like doesn't make it true. Also, who are you to discount very archaic components to Mediterranean populations? Here's John Hawks' presentation of high Neanderthal admixture frequency of populations:

http://johnhawks.net/graphics/brits-tuscans-vi3316-nox.png

If Tuscans have some of the highest amounts of Neanderthal admixture, then who are you to say that European Med. populations are not at all descended from a Paleolithic survivor populations?

The notion of complete population replacement during Europe's Neolithic is highly questionable especially in lieu of results like these.

[Insuperable]

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/maronite-dinner-at-phoenicia/maronite-dinner-at-phoenicia-19.jpg

Yes, I am convinced now:picard1:

Just because you post European looking Lebs who were obviously more influenced by their Euro genetic part does not make them white.

[Swearengen]

..

[YeshAtid]

Yes, I am convinced now:picard1:

Just because you post European looking Lebs who were obviously more influenced by their Euro genetic part does not make them white.
Pure levantines are quite european looking.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Assad_family.jpg

[Fire Haired]

That's true, my paternal line has been black-haired for the past 3 generations. Our lineage is SW England.

The Brythonic people seem pretty swarthy to me. Even moreso than the Irish. Wales has as much dark hair as Spain.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3497/3697916622_feb9e16e18.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GwZhGj6e5tE/UOrgBO_CXLI/AAAAAAAAAEE/JH6HQ3RmWPs/s320/Alastair-Cook-001.jpg

I cant get the direct quote right now but i saw more than one Roman writing when Cesar first arrived about the Britons phiscal appearance. They said they had a overall darker appearance than Gauls less yellow hair and kind of like Iberians that is what i remember. And the whole black scot and Irish thing is deifntley connected with dark hair in the British isles. But they are more light haired than Iberian.

In books written by Irish monks over 1,000ybo they say the gealic's conquered the fir blog who they said all had dark hair, dark eyes, and very pale skin. Or since R1b L23 originally from the north mid east came up to southern Ukraine eventulley spreading to west europe with Germanic Italo Celtic languages and forming into R1b L51. They were mainly European but some of the mid eastern blood stayed. Since it seems they could have also spread red hair British isles have the most and the highest amount of R1b L11 maybe that is why some have dark skin too.

K12b Gedorsian seems to be connected with the spread of R1b in the mid east and Europe. It is a off branch of K12b group called west asian. It is highest for Europe in the British isels. Just like R1b and red hair which also seem to have spread with Germanic Italo Celts.
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Gedrosian-admixture.gif

[Fire Haired]

Referring to oneself in third person is a very Euro thing, so I concur Anglojew is indeed European.

It is a human thing to do. MAybe has something to do with modern English that's all

[Insuperable]

Pure levantines are quite european looking.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Assad_family.jpg

They are "European" looking because of southern Europeans who are loooool guess what - non white

[YeshAtid]

They are "European" looking because of southern Europeans who are loooool guess what - non white

Most southern euros are white.

[Insuperable]

Most southern euros are white.

They have too much neolithic foreign input because of which you associate whiteness of Levantines with that of Europeans (read southern Europeans):rotfl: Obviously non-white. Real whites are northern Europeans.

[YeshAtid]

They have too much neolithic foreign input because of which you associate whiteness of Levantines with that of Europeans (read southern Europeans):rotfl: Obviously non-white. Real whites are northern Europeans.

:picard1: Pigmentation means very little

[A1234567]

Most southern euros are white.

Agreed.
They suit the cultural criteria: They are Catholics.
They suit the geographical criteria: They are in Europe Proper.
They suit the phenotypical criteria: They are not as pale-skinned as Scandinavians, but they look European no less.
They suit the intellectual criteria: Most of the world's most innovative thinkers have come from Southern Europe (Greece and Italy in particular).
They suit the genetic criteria.

[Diërker]

Very European.

[Demhat]

good point but if ur Kurdish and mainly west Asian ur not European i dont know if u where arguing that or not.


I said West Asian being my main component does not make me European.

[Insuperable]

:picard1: Pigmentation means very little

Its ok, :patpat: keep consoling yourself.

[Fire Haired]

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/maronite-dinner-at-phoenicia/maronite-dinner-at-phoenicia-19.jpg

If lebense and mid easterns looked so white they would be called white. every since ancient times europeans and mid eastern writers have noticed a skin color difference. Romans said they are paler than Egyptians and darker than Germans. by the way joesphus writes it seems he was shocked by the white snow skin of the Gauls(ancestors or just main ancestors of modern French and swiss) and for some reason saw it as evidence they descended from Gomer(grandson of Noah and son of Jephthah). I cant find the direct quotes but i remember.

If u look at painting in the crusades they show a huge skin color differnce between the European Christians and mid eastern Muslims. There are still some very pale skinned european looking mid eastern and when they put on european cloths and group up european many could go as white. But that is just because they are close relatives and the gene that are suppose to create pale skin in Europeans exist in all other Caucasians must of become dominte in Europeans ancestors click here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?91397-Supposedly-Euro-light-skin-genes-are-popular-in-all-Caucasins-and-exists-in-about-all-Humans)

[YeshAtid]

Its ok, :patpat: keep consoling yourself.

Crazy guy:picard1:

[YeshAtid]

If lebense and mid easterns looked so white they would be called white. every since ancient times europeans and mid eastern writers have noticed a skin color difference. Romans said they are paler than Egyptians and darker than Germans. by the way joesphus writes it seems he was shocked by the white snow skin of the Gauls(ancestors or just main ancestors of modern French and swiss) and for some reason saw it as evidence they descended from Gomer(grandson of Noah and son of Jephthah). I cant find the direct quotes but i remember.

If u look at painting in the crusades they show a huge skin color differnce between the European Christians and mid eastern Muslims. There are still some very pale skinned european looking mid eastern and when they put on european cloths and group up european many could go as white. But that is just because they are close relatives and the gene that are suppose to create pale skin in Europeans exist in all other Caucasians must of become dominte in Europeans ancestors click here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?91397-Supposedly-Euro-light-skin-genes-are-popular-in-all-Caucasins-and-exists-in-about-all-Humans)

They're called white on the US census

[Demhat]

Absurdity abounds here yet again. I don't even know where to begin...

I've explained to you already in the other thread why Med. is more archaic then you think. You're thinking in terms of ethnic conceptions of what things should be rather then time depth of actual components and the actual implications per reference population. Seriously, I really don't know how to get this across to you. Dienkes is not absolute truth BTW. His reasoning is questioned all over the net. Just cause he says something you like doesn't make it true. Also, who are you to discount very archaic components to Mediterranean populations? Here's John Hawks' presentation of high Neanderthal admixture frequency of populations:

http://johnhawks.net/graphics/brits-tuscans-vi3316-nox.png

If Tuscans have some of the highest amounts of Neanderthal admixture, then who are you to say that European Med. populations are not at all descended from a Paleolithic survivor populations?

The notion of complete population replacement during Europe's Neolithic is highly questionable especially in lieu of results like these.

LOL LOL LOL. Proves my point you have no idea what you are talking about. The mixing of Neanderthal and modern Homo Sapien took place first in the Near East and is slightly more there. So how the heck does more Neanderthal genes in Tuscans prove the "European origin" of Mediterranean. What are you trying to prove here?

Not only Dienekes but also World known companies like Max Planck Institute are with my views not yours.

And that the Med component is totally archaic is again supportive for my theory. Where else if not from the Near East did came the archaic Caucasian components.

Ah I know you are still one of those Guys who believe in decade old papers and think R1b is Paleolithic European.

Dienekes might be "questioned" but there is no one agreeing with your absurd believe that R1b is Paleolithic European.

[Fire Haired]

They have too much neolithic foreign input because of which you associate whiteness of Levantines with that of Europeans (read southern Europeans):rotfl: Obviously non-white. Real whites are northern Europeans.

North euro;s do have more European blood because they are farther away from non European inter marriage. In globe13 test there is not that much of a difference between Germans and Spanish only Spanish have 10-15% more med and less north euro. But their phiscal difference can be obvious. did u ever think that maybe Spanish European ancestors just look different than Germans European ancestors.

[Stormer99]

My point is one doesn't have to be purely European to genetically cluster in Europe.

[YeshAtid]

Most Sicilians imo are white with med features
http://www.italiaunita.org/images/Celebs/TheSicilians.jpg

[StonyArabia]

Anglo is European than many Europeans themselves.

[YeshAtid]

My half WASP/Syrian Bedouin maternal cousin clusters in Sicily

Interesting, I imagine the northern euro mixed with arabid clusters there

[Fire Haired]

They're called white on the US census

I think that is so stupid. Sure some do look very European deifntley if they were European cloths, But their cultural background is totally diff they should not but mid easterns who probably have only been here for a few generations in the same spot as white Americans who have been here since the 1700's. Honestly Serbians and Bosnian should be put in a diff category than american like my family who have been here for ever. rural white Americans spot in american society is way different than new Yugoslavian immigrants. I seriously cant believe they count some hispanics as white.

There are some Hispanics of almost completely Spanish ancestry but their place in American society is with totally native american hispanics. Are they going to start taking DNA tests on cenus does it really matter if they are genetically white.

[Insuperable]

Crazy guy:picard1:

Who is more crazy, you thinking that Lebanese are white or me? LoooL Lebanese white trolololoolololoo. They are not even Europeans, but Middle Easterners and it is even questionable are all Europeans white.

[StonyArabia]

Interesting, I imagine the northern euro mixed with arabid clusters there


Yeah she actually does cluster with Sicilians, her Dad being a Syrian Bedouin and her mom being a WASP. In a way it makes sense when you take the averages.

[Demhat]

As I thought. South asian is closer to australoid and mongoloid than caucasoid. So indians are not caucasian.

If you take a good look. South Asian is roughly in between australoid, caucasoid and mongoloid. Also do not forget that South Asian have other components like West Asian and North European too.

[Vesuvian Sky]

The mixing of Neanderthal and modern Homo Sapien was strongest in the Near East.
:clap2:
More retarded logic from you. Face it, you can't accept that Euro populations have archaic local Paleolithic components to our DNA because your agenda is to make Europe Middle Eastern and you somehow European.


Not only Dienekes but also World known companies like Max Planck Institute are with my views not yours.

Yup spoken like true sheeple.



And that the Med component is totally archaic is again supportive for my theory. Where else if not from the Near East did came the archaic Caucasian components.

Try from the ME 40,000 years ago. Still doesn't make us Middle Eastern or you European.:rolleyes:



Ah I know you are still one of those Guys who believe in decade old papers and think R1b is Paleolithic European.

And you are still one of those guys (caps not needed here BTW) who can't understand issues of time depth, aDNA in regards to reference populations, or really anything else. Paper wasn't a decade old so apparently math is a problem for you as well.

[Fire Haired]

Most Sicilians imo are white with med features
http://www.italiaunita.org/images/Celebs/TheSicilians.jpg

med is just a sea that borders Europe, asia, and Africa, It was not until Greco roman times Europeans Africans and asians around the Mediterranean sea had constant contact and some inter marriage. Diff groups of south Europeans like Italians and Greeks are not exactly related Y DNA and aust dna dont show that they are. There is no doubt that Sicilians are mainly European.

[YeshAtid]

Who is more crazy, you thinking that Lebanese are white or me? LoooL Lebanese white trolololoolololoo. They are not even Europeans, but Middle Easterners and it is even questionable are all Europeans white.

Next, you'll tell me Italians are negroid and mongoloid.
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/tumblr_lhgebyZ7781qzaxefo1_500.gif

[Stormer99]

med is just a sea that borders Europe, asia, and Africa, It was not until Greco roman times Europeans Africans and asians around the Mediterranean sea had constant contact and some inter marriage. Diff groups of south Europeans like Italians and Greeks are not exactly related Y DNA and aust dna dont show that they are. There is no doubt that Sicilians are mainly European.

Sicilians and Greeks are VERY related. They have almost the same DNA.

[YeshAtid]

med is just a sea that borders Europe, asia, and Africa, It was not until Greco roman times Europeans Africans and asians around the Mediterranean sea had constant contact and some inter marriage. Diff groups of south Europeans like Italians and Greeks are not exactly related Y DNA and aust dna dont show that they are. There is no doubt that Sicilians are mainly European.
I'm part Italian but a lot of my relatives really don't look it.Why is this?

[YeshAtid]

Sicilians and Greeks are VERY related. They have almost the same DNA.

Sicilians are more northern

[Fire Haired]

If you take a good look. South Asian is roughly in between australoid, caucasoid and mongoloid. Also do not forget that South Asian have other components like West Asian and North European too.

That is true in the globe13 test south asian is not really more related to any human families which are Caucasin, Oceania Mongliod, and sub sharen African. If anything they are closer to Oceania mongliod which would make sense since their y dna and mtdna haplogroups are in the same family. But they have Caucasian skull shape and all of their other features are Caucasian except their skin is pretty much black and have no brown hair all black hair. The west asain comes from inter marriage and the north euro from indo iranian speakers. I was looking at globe13 results and they have tons of diff ethnic roups around india. Indo Aryan speakers who live right next to Draviden speakers have way more west asian and some north euro. U am just thinking maybe orignalley India was full of draviden like people. Then Indo Iranian languages starting to migrate out of Russia 5,000ybp then eventulley near Pakistan become mainly west asian with some north euro. Kill of the draviden people.

[Insuperable]

Next, you'll tell me Italians are negroid and mongoloid.
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/tumblr_lhgebyZ7781qzaxefo1_500.gif

They aren't obviously.


Sicilians and Greeks are VERY related. They have almost the same DNA.

Still waiting for that painting. But keep consoling yourself that you have much in common with them since you are half Lebanese.

[YeshAtid]

He's swarthy i grant you
http://www.krisvdv.net/pixelpost/images/20070916111234_sicilian_man_sigar.jpg

[Demhat]

:clap2:
More retarded logic from you. Face it, you can't accept that Euro populations have archaic local Paleolithic components to our DNA because your agenda is to make Europe Middle Eastern and you somehow European.


Yup spoken like true sheeple.



Try from the ME 40,000 years ago. Still doesn't make us Middle Eastern or you European.:rolleyes:



And you are still one of those guys (caps not needed here BTW) who can't understand issues of time depth, aDNA in regards to reference populations, or really anything else. Paper wasn't a decade old so apparently math is a problem for you as well.


Haha you made an idiot out of yourself. Not a single argument brought up because there is no. Trying to prove the European origin of Med with Neanderthal admixture, since he believes Neanderthal genes are something "European specific", was just hilarious. I am done with you. Go keep reading papers from 2004 and I will read some from 2013.

[Stormer99]

They aren't obviously.



Still waiting for that painting. But keep consoling yourself that you have much in common with them since you are half Lebanese.

I never claimed to be half Lebanese

[YeshAtid]

I never claimed to be half Lebanese

what are you?

[Insuperable]

I never claimed to be half Lebanese

You never did, but someone said that in your name and you said nothing back.

[YeshAtid]

Yeah she actually does cluster with Sicilians, her Dad being a Syrian Bedouin and her mom being a WASP. In a way it makes sense when you take the averages.

Does look Sicilian ?

[Vesuvian Sky]

Haha you made an idiot out of yourself. Not a single argument brought up because there is no. Trying to prove the European origin of Med with Neanderthal admixture, since he believes Neanderthal genes are something "European specific", was just hilarious. I am done with you. Go keep reading papers from 2004 and I will read some from 2013.

Its been explained to you already the many flaws in your logic. Not to mention how you believe everything is "Middle Eastern specific". Clear cut agenda on your part. No one in their right mind would buy it. Your math is still wrong BTW. But I also know you like to resort to lying.

I think its past your bedtime anyway skippy. G'night.:)

[Sikeliot]

Sicilians are more northern

This actually is not true. Greeks are more northern, and 23andme and every other DNA test proves it. Must you say something inaccurate and stupid every single day?

Sicilians, along with the Maltese, are the least genetically "European" of all Europeans, unless you include Cypriots.

[Loki]

Why was this thread closed?

[Wadaad]

You are 80% ready...need more Muslim bashing

[7eleven]

I'm half-Jewish but at 14% Ashkenazi DNA I probably am not technically a Mischling in genetic terms but a real Nazi can elaborate on this if they wish?

A full Ashkenazi scores about 28-31% Ashkenazi on that stupid test.

[Anglojew]

A full Ashkenazi scores about 28-31% Ashkenazi on that stupid test.

Interesting.

[Loki]

A full Ashkenazi scores about 28-31% Ashkenazi on that stupid test.

I've seen one with almost 100% if I can remember correctly ...

[Albion]

Don't be fooled by some people who claim that West Asian is "non-European". If that were so then large chunks of Europeans wouldn't be European, including Greeks and many others. Most of Europe has West Asian genes at different levels.

You are European genetically.

This is what I've always said, since most of it is Neolithic anyway and was an important part in forming Europeans. Haplogroups associated with it like G2a predominated in much of Europe during the Neolithic, the expansion of R1a and R1b have almost certainly changed the admixture proportions to a large extent.

[Annihilus]

A full Ashkenazi scores about 28-31% Ashkenazi on that stupid test.

Plenty people score 100%, I don't get it:confused:

[Mark]

Plenty people score 100%, I don't get it:confused:

I think they're referring to Jtest. I score 27%

[Annihilus]

I think they're referring to Jtest. I score 27%

Ah thanks, yes there is a difference between Jtest and 23andme Ashkenazi. With 23andme it's based on cousins and Jtest looks at Ashkenazi as a separate component.

[Anglojew]

Ah thanks, yes there is a difference between Jtest and 23andme Ashkenazi. With 23andme it's based on cousins and Jtest looks at Ashkenazi as a separate component.

Yes. I think that's it.

[Anglojew]

So it's official McDonald says I'm European;
Spain= 0.716 Adygei= 0.284

The Adygei are a Circassian people in the North Caucasus eg within Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adygea

Spain is on a peninsular between Europe and North Africa.

[B01AB20]

So it's official McDonald says I'm European;

The Adygei are a Circassian people in the North Caucasus eg within Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adygea

Spain is on a peninsular between Europe and North Africa.

fucking moor :picard1:, you can fight a duel to death between your right and left hand, and with a little luck... :)

[Mortimer]

Anglo-Jew is European thats for sure, no doubt.

[The King, I am]

All Europeans have a tad bit of semitic and black dna. Of course your European!

[Anglojew]

fucking moor :picard1:, you can fight a duel to death between your right and left hand, and with a little luck... :)

Moor? I'm a Spaniard. I have genetic proof (and 30% Circassian).

[B01AB20]

Moor? I'm a Spaniard. I have genetic proof (and 30% Circassian).

you're not anglo at all then?

you should change your nickname to hispanicjew or iberianjew, or just to 'marrano' if you want to be loyal to "your people's" traditions man.

:thumb001:

[Lábaru]

you're not anglo at all then?

you should change your nickname to hispanicjew or iberianjew, or just to 'marrano' if you want to be loyal to "your people's" traditions man.

:thumb001:

He is half Anglo but as everyone know the Spanish and the British are indistinguishable and for that reason his Anglosaxon percentage is interpreted as Spanish.

[B01AB20]

He is half Anglo but as everyone know the Spanish and the British are indistinguishable and for that reason his Anglosaxon percentage is interpreted as Spanish.

yeah, that's because the orco-gothic connection... whateverjew made a nice thread about it if you remember, the jews or some of them were in reality a lost orco-gothic tribe, or something like that.

whateverjew and gigolo... similar identity issues, be careful and pious with them please.

[Anglojew]

you're not anglo at all then?

you should change your nickname to hispanicjew or iberianjew, or just to 'marrano' if you want to be loyal to "your people's" traditions man.

:thumb001:

I'm talking about my McDonald genetic results. What my genetics is interpreted as.

[Anglojew]

He is half Anglo but as everyone know the Spanish and the British are indistinguishable and for that reason his Anglosaxon percentage is interpreted as Spanish.

Yeah. I've got to say that that's what's happened but I also must have some actual Spanish somewhere because it keeps popping up.

[Anglojew]

yeah, that's because the orco-gothic connection... whateverjew made a nice thread about it if you remember, the jews or some of them were in reality a lost orco-gothic tribe, or something like that.

whateverjew and gigolo... similar identity issues, be careful and pious with them please.

Whateverjew....classic.

[Behrouz]

Just seen the most pathetic thread on this forum

[CrystalMaiden]

Lol, no :)

[Philo]

He is half Anglo but as everyone know the Spanish and the British are indistinguishable and for that reason his Anglosaxon percentage is interpreted as Spanish.

Right..