Classify Greek actress Irene Pappas

[Scholarios]

Okay just one more classic Greek actors before I go back to reading about the Phrygians and get back to *real* work. Love these Ancient faces and one of the most well-known Greek performers. She was a real beauty. Btw- She was from an "Arvanite" area.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_tqU7FKCm9M/T869L8kRzLI/AAAAAAAAE18/MrpnejaKvLI/s640/electra.jpg

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab350/jeanobar/SEA/ESEA-137/4-18_S_img0001682A.jpg

http://pictures2.todocoleccion.net/tc/2009/04/17/12931353.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/4124481/600full-irene-papas.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KCuHoU9QBUU/TH9NhA4EJnI/AAAAAAAAmgg/kjZaQzzhyro/s1600/13378.gif

http://www.movieactors.com/photos-stars/irene-papas-thetrojanwomen-1.jpg

http://whoiswhogreece.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/pappa.jpg?w=290&h=290&crop=1

[Skerdilaid]

Dinaro-Med.

I heard a rumor that when she played the movie Odissea with the Kosovar Albanian actor Bekim Fehmiu, they actually spoke Albanian to each other.:D

[Scholarios]

Dinaro-Med.

I heard a rumor that when she played the movie Odissea with the Kosovar Albanian actor Bekim Fehmiu, they actually spoke Albanian to each other.:D

Interesting.:thumb001: I am still unaware of how mutually intelligible Kosovar Albanian would be with Tosk dialects. I also didn't know she was actually Arvanite, but just she came from an area that historically was so. She is not my impression of an Albanian-looking Greek at all. I know that Melina Mercouri was half Arvanite for sure and spoke some.

[Skerdilaid]

Interesting.:thumb001: I am still unaware of how mutually intelligible Kosovar Albanian would be with Tosk dialects. I also didn't know she was actually Arvanite, but just she came from an area that historically was so. She is not my impression of an Albanian-looking Greek at all. I know that Melina Mercouri was half Arvanite for sure and spoke some.

I actually can understand most of the Arvanits when they sing and speak, except when they throw Greek words here and there that I get confused. As for Tosk I understand most excepts the local idioms and slangs.

My dad was in arts back in the day when Bekim played Odissea and he actually had told me this long time ago. I don't know if she was Arvanit though, but when you mentioned the village it sort of clicked into me.

[Constantine13]

I don't see the Dinaric. More some kind of Pontic.

I know some Arvanite words, not much though.

[Scholarios]

I actually can understand most of the Arvanits when they sing and speak, except when they throw Greek words here and there that I get confused. As for Tosk I understand most excepts the local idioms and slangs.

My dad was in arts back in the day when Bekim played Odissea and he actually had told me this long time ago. I don't know if she was Arvanit though, but when you mentioned the village it sort of clicked into me.

Yes, her original surname is Lelekou.(s) Not sure the etymology but it's found in a few places in Greece. Just looked up Bekim as well. He's got a very "ancient" look as well. But in a different way than Pappas.

http://www.24sata.hr/image/beli-bora-bekim-fehmiu-presudio-si-je-hicem-u-usta-504x335-20100624-20101019014236-312537.jpg

[Skerdilaid]

Yes, her original surname is Lelekou.(s) Not sure the etymology but it's found in a few places in Greece. Just looked up Bekim as well. He's got a very "ancient" look as well. But in a different way than Pappas.

http://www.24sata.hr/image/beli-bora-bekim-fehmiu-presudio-si-je-hicem-u-usta-504x335-20100624-20101019014236-312537.jpg

True Bekim has quite a typical Kosovar look, he was born in the city of Prizren. We do have Lela as last name and Leka, I think her last name looks to me more like our version of Leka or the Kosova version which is Leku (it's our version of Alexander).

[Scholarios]

Oh, into linguistics again. Not sure how morpholigical change happens in Albanian Tosk or Arvanite, but I noticed that
lëkurë is the word for leather and Arvanites said lekúratë e dhívë for goat hide bags for making cheese in Korinthos. Her name can be derivative of that...

Okay...too much linguistics :p

[Trun]

East Med.

[Scholarios]

True Bekim has quite a typical Kosovar look, he was born in the city of Prizren. We do have Lela as last name and Leka, I think her last name looks to me more like our version of Leka or the Kosova version which is Leku (it's our version of Alexander).

oh right.. you guys say Leka i Mahd for Alexander (or something such right?). I suppose that is a better etymology for her name considering she's Orthodox than my "leather" one. ha

[Skerdilaid]

Oh, into linguistics again. Not sure how morpholigical change happens in Albanian Tosk or Arvanite, but I noticed that
lëkurë is the word for leather and Arvanites said lekúratë e dhívë for goat hide bags for making cheese in Korinthos. Her name can be derivative of that...

Okay...too much linguistics :p

That could be true :) Also lejlek means this bird in Albanian:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Bocian_czarnodzioby_Ciconia_boyciana_RB3.jpg/220px-Bocian_czarnodzioby_Ciconia_boyciana_RB3.jpg

[Scholarios]

^^ yes, " stork" is also leleki in Greek as well. Could be...there are two words in Greek... Maybe leleki is an Albanian loanword. Gotta check the ancient sources...

[Vojnik]

'Lele' reminds me of the Turkish expression which basically means 'oh my'. This expression is used in certain places in the Balkans. Not sure if it exists in the Albanian or Greek vocabulary.

[Skerdilaid]

'Lele' reminds me of the Turkish expression which basically means 'oh my'. This expression is used in certain places in the Balkans. Not sure if it exists in the Albanian or Greek vocabulary.

We don't have that expression in Albanian. To me the pronunciation looks more like Lejlek then Leku last names that we have. Lejlek could also be a Greek loan into Albanian I am not sure.

You mean as in Lele Majka:D

[Vojnik]

We don't have that expression in Albanian. To me the pronunciation looks more like Lejlek then Leku last names that we have. Lejlek could also be a Greek loan into Albanian I am not sure.

You mean as in Lele Majka:D

Yes! :)

[Scholarios]

Leleki may be of Albanian origin ( like some common words louloudi ( flower) and kopella( girl) but I'm wondering if " stork" is a common family name practice in either Greek or Albanian. Pelargos- the Ancient Greek word is sometimes a surname, though not exactly common. Also Lelekos-Lelegos (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0057:entry=le/gw2&highlight=) is an archaic dialectal word in Boietia for " speak". Could be any of these...

Though I have to admit, Irene is about the least Albanian looking individual one could find in Southern Balkans heh. Maybe Raine is right after all ...:rolleyes:

Edit: I guess kopella isn't Albanian. I thought it was. I remember the CIA report on Albanian language from the 1950's said it was. Weird, kopile means " bastard" in Albanian?

[Ivan Kramskoï]

looks quite manly in some pictures ...

[Pleurat]

East med or eastern pontid, she looks greek, a lot of arvanites look greek to at least now days.

[Smeagol]

East Med.

[Equilibrium]

Leleki may be of Albanian origin ( like some common words louloudi ( flower) and kopella( girl) but

Stork is "leylek" in Turkish. Wiktionary says it's of Persian origin (legleg).

Classification wise I am not sure. Her head looks short-headed in profile, but it might be her hair-cut and women are generally shorter headed than men. Still, I am going with East-Med + Dinarid (the strong chin is another indication).

[Aladdin]

Leylek is Arabic.

[Pleurat]

Lejlek is a kind of bird in albanian.

[Skerdilaid]

Leleki may be of Albanian origin ( like some common words louloudi ( flower) and kopella( girl) but I'm wondering if " stork" is a common family name practice in either Greek or Albanian. Pelargos- the Ancient Greek word is sometimes a surname, though not exactly common. Also Lelekos-Lelegos (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0057:entry=le/gw2&highlight=) is an archaic dialectal word in Boietia for " speak". Could be any of these...

Though I have to admit, Irene is about the least Albanian looking individual one could find in Southern Balkans heh. Maybe Raine is right after all ...:rolleyes:

Edit: I guess kopella isn't Albanian. I thought it was. I remember the CIA report on Albanian language from the 1950's said it was. Weird, kopile means " bastard" in Albanian?

It's interesting to see how they spell the Albanian words in Greek. For example lulja ore lule is flower and kopil means bastard child (This word is also in Romanian but it means just child).

To tell you the truth I have rarely seen Arvanits that would really fit in Albanian communities now day in terms of looks. She also looks more Greek to me than anything else, but no need to worry she turned out to be Arab after all (lejlek):D

[Atlantic Islander]

http://i2.listal.com/image/4124481/600full-irene-papas.jpg



Quite beautiful.

[Scholarios]

It's interesting to see how they spell the Albanian words in Greek. For example lulja ore lule is flower and kopil means bastard child (This word is also in Romanian but it means just child).

To tell you the truth I have rarely seen Arvanits that would really fit in Albanian communities now day in terms of looks. She also looks more Greek to me than anything else, but no need to worry she turned out to be Arab after all (lejlek):D

I was thinking, lulja must be a Latin loan to Albanian (Lily). I don't think it's a PIE cognate. Not sure. I also think Bulgarians say something like kope. Is this Turkish root or original Albanian?

Actually, it's kind of funny how insults in one language are simple terms, even endearing terms in other languages. Between Greek, Turkish, and Albanian there seem to be a lot of cases of this.

btw, I agree about Arvanites looking usually Greek. There is one interesting case here though, I think Aristides Kollias the only Arvanite activitist in Greek history and Bekim Fehmiu looked kind of similar.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/Bekim_Fehmiu.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sq/0/0f/Aristidh_Kola.jpg

I'd say he looks pretty Balkan for Greece.

[Guapo]

Arabid

[alb0zfinest]

Arabid

Jealousoid.

[Skerdilaid]

I was thinking, lulja must be a Latin loan to Albanian (Lily). I don't think it's a PIE cognate. Not sure. I also think Bulgarians say something like kope. Is this Turkish root or original Albanian?

Actually, it's kind of funny how insults in one language are simple terms, even endearing terms in other languages. Between Greek, Turkish, and Albanian there seem to be a lot of cases of this.

btw, I agree about Arvanites looking usually Greek. There is one interesting case here though, I think Aristides Kollias the only Arvanite activitist in Greek history and Bekim Fehmiu looked kind of similar.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/Bekim_Fehmiu.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sq/0/0f/Aristidh_Kola.jpg

I'd say he looks pretty Balkan for Greece.

Lule in Italian is Fiore, but it could be connected to Latin Lily. I am trying to get hold of some of the work that Cabej did, and he goes quite in detail regarding most of the Indigenous Albanian words and the borrowed ones but it's kind of hard to find his work. He is not biased either, I consider him to be one the best Albanologist. If I find it I will post some of his work on the Albanian language.

Kopil is believed to be a Paleo-Balkan word shared by Albanians and Romanian. Kope is another word that means Herd as in Kope Dhenesh, which translates into Sheep Herd, this could be a loan word I am not sure.

Kola does look a bit like him in that pic and he does look very Balkan, I think he could fit quite well in most Balkan countries. Most Arvanits I have seen looked quite Greek to me, there could be few cases here and there I guess for example like Kola that still have the sort of Albanian look.

[Laberia]

Le regine del cinema
By Costanzo Costantini
https://books.google.al/books?id=tzd3redagIEC&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=Le+regine+del+cinema,+Irene+Pappas+Costanzo+Cos tantini&source=bl&ots=31OXnPF-EH&sig=4Ya9CFFnbJuu64LZU9TzQ_C6umc&hl=sq&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCsYbire_QAhXCOBQKHXdZAUAQ6AEIFjAA#v=on epage&q=Le%20regine%20del%20cinema%2C%20Irene%20Pappas%2 0Costanzo%20Costantini&f=false


Mia madre viene dall Epiro, mentre mio padre veniva forse dall Albania. Forse io sono albanese o mezza albanese. Il Peloponeso è pieno di Albanesi.
Gg translator:
My mother comes from Epirus, while my father was perhaps from Albania. Maybe i am Albanian or half Albanian. The Peloponnese is full of Albanians.

[Laberia]

http://telegrafi.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/bekim.jpg
In this photo she is with Albanian actor Bekim Fehmiu in TV miniseries L'Odissea. Fehmiu is Ulysses, Papas is Penelope.

[Arbërori]

Mediterranid-CM. Very beautiful, I love how her face can transmit so many characters.


http://telegrafi.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/bekim.jpg
In this photo she is with Albanian actor Bekim Fehmiu in TV miniseries L'Odissea. Fehmiu is Ulysses, Papas is Penelope.

He would've been better off marrying her...