Can he pass in Northern Europe?

[Sikeliot]

Sicilian-American mafioso Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. Not typical for his origin, granted, but can he pass in Northern Europe.

http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/G/Sammy-The-Bull-Gravano-9542090-1-402.jpg
http://media.silive.com/advance/photo/9407338-standard.jpg

[aherne]

Looks wholly Italic. I don't see him passing as anything but Italian...

[Neanderthal]

Dinarid gives away Italian.

[Sikeliot]

Bump -- any other thoughts?

To me he is a relatively unaltered "Italic" phenotype.. does anyone agree? I don't see anything Norman in him, and he's clearly unaltered by the East Med components common in Sicily. Does he fit outside of Italy, though -- like in Germany, the Alps region, or France?

[Stormer99]

No. He looks extremely Italian to me. He's Italic with lighter pigment.

[Sikeliot]

No. He looks extremely Italian to me. He's Italic with lighter pigment.

So do you think, rather, that he preserves a look that might have been more common in Sicily before the Greeks, Phoenicians, etc. settled, and that he might be what the original Italics looked like?

[Newsboy]

Some Italians look distinctively Italian, this mafioso happens to be of that type.

[Stormer99]

So do you think, rather, that he preserves a look that might have been more common in Sicily before the Greeks, Phoenicians, etc. settled, and that he might be what the original Italics looked like?

Yes or he could be descended from some of the migrants from other parts of Italy into Sicily or both. Either way he is 100% Sicilian in my eyes.

[Anthropologique]

Pan-Italian.

[Sikeliot]

Yes or he could be descended from some of the migrants from other parts of Italy into Sicily or both. Either way he is 100% Sicilian in my eyes.

Whatever his personal lineage is, we'll never know. But I bet he'd cluster right beside the swarthies on a PCA plot. On 23andme I share with a blonde, blue eyed Palermitan who to the random observer could be German.. but he clusters between Greece and Cyprus.

[Stormer99]

Whatever his personal lineage is, we'll never know. But I bet he'd cluster right beside the swarthies on a PCA plot. On 23andme I share with a blonde, blue eyed Palermitan who to the random observer could be German.. but he clusters between Greece and Cyprus.

I bet the same thing. Looks can be deceiving and people within the same family can come out with different phenotypes.

[Guapo]

some balkan Borreby type, not related to meds

[Scholarios]

I wonder the etymology of Gravana towards to Greek-Vlach town of Grevena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grevena).

[Sikeliot]

I wonder the etymology of Gravana towards to Greek-Vlach town of Grevena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grevena).


Possibly. It comes from Catania which has a lot of surnames of Greek origins.

[Mark]

Difficult. Maybe Germany or Austria.

[aherne]

Resembles Mickey Rourke (British American) a bit.