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Anglojew
09-03-2013, 07:25 AM
I will begin on a personal note. Since the start of the pogroms in Syria a year and a half ago, I have written again and again in my articles on this honorable stage that the Alawites will behave with cruelty and severity and with total insensitivity toward their opposition, because they are aware that they are fighting not only to keep control of the regime in their hands but also – and mainly – in order to keep their heads connected to their shoulders. My words were an assessment based on lengthy research on the Syrian domestic arena, that was published in the doctoral thesis that I wrote (1998) and in the book that was based on it (2005). From time to time I have heard and read harsh expressions of Muslims toward the Alawites, but I have never seen proof that the Alawites indeed fear that the Muslims might slaughter them if they had the opportunity.

In the background is the historical fact that modern Syria was borne on the knees of the French Mandate, which was imposed on Syria after the First World War, and ended in 1943. As with other Arab states in the Middle East, many of the genetic illnesses that Syria suffers from stem from errors that were committed by the states charged with the mandates, France and Great Britain. Italy, which controlled Libya, is responsible to a certain extent for the chaos in that state. The main mistake of the European states in the Middle East was creating states that included different ethnic, tribal, religious and sectarian groups that are antagonistic to each other, with the hope that the day will come when all of them will sit around the campfire and sing patriotic songs in perfect harmony. This did not happen, this is not happening now and this will also not happen in the foreseeable future.

On August 30th of this year a discussion was held in the UN Security Council on the civil war raging in Syria, that was responsible for about five thousand deaths in August alone. Two of the spokesmen participating in the discussion were the French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, and the Syrian representative in the UN, Bashar al-Jafari. The Syrian representative attacked the Western states and primarily France for its support of the rebels. The French minister responded by saying:

You speak negatively about the French Mandate, and I must remind you that the grandfather of your president requested France not to depart from Syria and not to award it independence, and this is in an official document which he signed and is today in the French Foreign Ministry, and if you want I will give you a copy of it.

Fabius was referring to a document that the Alawite leaders, including Suleiman al-Asad, the grandfather of the president of Syria, wrote, which is in the archive of the French Foreign Ministry. The document has the date of receipt – June 15, 1936, and was written shortly prior to that date, to the French prime minister at the time, Leon Blum.

At the time, there were contacts that were conducted between the government of Franceand a group of Syrian intellectuals who believed in the possibility of establishing a greater Syrian state that would include groups that are different from one another, as in Europe. This document was published in the past in the Lebanese newspaper al-Nahar and the Egyptian newspaper al-Ahram, but did not make the headlines. For the benefit of our dear readers we include here the document in its entirety, which should be read while keeping in mind what has been happening in Syria for the last year and a half. My comments are in brackets.

Dear Mr. Leon Blum, Prime Minister ofFrance.

In light of the negotiations that are being conducted between France and Syria, we – the Alawite leaders in Syria- respectfully draw the following points to your attention and to that of your party (the Socialists):

1. The Alawite nation [sic !!] which has maintained its independence over the years by dint of much zeal and many casualties, is a nation which is different from the Muslim Sunni nation in its religious faith , in its customs and in its history. It has never happened that the Alawite nation [which lives in the mountains on the Western coast of Syria] was under the rule of the [Muslims)]who rule the inland cities of the land.

2. The Alawite nation refuses to be annexed to Muslim Syria, because the Islamic religion is thought of as the official religion of the country, and the Alawite nation is thought of as heretical by the Islamic religion. Therefore we ask you to consider the dreadful and terrible fate that awaits the Alawites if they are forced to be annexed to Syria, when it will be free from the oversight of the Mandate, and it will be in their power to implement the laws that stem from its religion. [According to Islam, the idol-worshiping heretic has a choice to convert to Islam or be slaughtered.]

3. Awarding independence to Syria and cancelling the mandate would be a good example of socialist principles in Syria, but the meaning of full independence will be the control by a few Muslim families on the Alawite nation in Cilicia, in Askadron [the Alexandretta Strip that the French cut off from Syria and annexed to Turkey in 1939] and in the Ansariyya Mountains [the mountains in the western part of Syria, the topographical continuation of the Lebanon Mountains]. Even having a parliament and a constitutional government will not ensure personal freedom. This parliamentary control is only a facade, lacking any effective value, and the truth of the matter is that it will be controlled by religious fanaticism that will target the minorities. Do the leaders ofFrancewant the Muslims to control the Alawite nation and throw it into the bosom of misery?

4. The spirit of fanaticism and narrow-mindedness, whose roots are deep in the heart of the Arab Muslims toward all those who are not Muslim, is the spirit that continually feeds the Islamic religion, and therefore there is no hope that the situation will change. If the Mandate is cancelled, the danger of death and destruction will be a threat upon the minorities in Syria, even if the cancellation [of the Mandate] will decree freedom of thought and freedom of religion. Why, even today we see how the Muslim residents of Damascus force the Jews who live under their auspices to sign a document in which they are forbidden to send food to their Jewish brothers who are suffering from the disaster in Palestine [in the days of the great Arab rebellion], the situation of the Jews in Palestine being the strongest and most concrete proof of the importance of the religious problem among the Muslim Arabs toward anyone who does not belong to Islam. Those good Jews, who have brought to the Muslim Arabs civilization and peace, and have spread wealth and prosperity to the land of Palestine, have not hurt anyone and have not taken anything by force, and nevertheless the Muslims have declared holy war against them and have not hesitated to slaughter their children and their women despite the fact that England is in Palestine and France is in Syria. Therefore a black future awaits the Jews and the other minorities if the Mandate is cancelled and Muslim Syria is unified with Muslim Palestine. This union is the ultimate goal of the Muslim Arabs.

5. We appreciate your generosity of spirit in defending the Syrian people and your desire to realize their independence, but Syria at the present time is far from the lofty goal that you aspire for her, because she is still trapped in the spirit of religious feudalism. We do not think that the French government and the French socialist Party will agree to the Syrians’ independence, since its implementation will cause the subjugation of the Alawite nation, placing the Alawite minority in danger of death and destruction.

It cannot be that you will agree to the (nationalist) Syrian request to annex the Alawite nation to Syria, because your lofty principles – if they support the idea of freedom – will not accept the situation in which one nation (the Muslims) try to stifle the freedom of another (the Alawite) by forcing its annexation.

6. You may see fit to assure the rights of the Alawites and other minorities in the wording of the treaty (The French-Syrian Treaty, which defines the relationships between the states), but we emphasize to you that contracts have no value in the Syrian Islamic mentality. We have seen this in the past, with the pact that England signed with Iraq, which forbade the Iraqis to slaughter the Assyrians and the Yazidis.

The Alawite nation, which we, the undersigned, represent, cries out to the government ofFranceand to the French Socialist Party, and requests them to ensure its freedom and independence within its small boundaries [an independent Alawite state!!]. The Alawite nation places its well-being in the hands of the French Socialist leaders, and is sure that it will find strong and dependable support for the nation which is a faithful friend, who has rendered toFrancea great service, and now is under the threat of death and destruction.

[Signed by]: Aziz Agha al-Hawash, Mahmud Agha Jadid, Mahmud Bek Jadid, Suleiman Asad [the grandfather of Hafez], Suleiman al-Murshid, Mahmud Suleiman al-Ahmad.





This concludes the document, which was written 86 years ago, but could have been written yesterday. The document includes within it all of the ills of the Middle East that the peoples of the region suffer from until today: religious zealotry of Muslims, violence, marginalization of anyone who does not belong to the dominant group, stereotypes that determine the group-think and Western ignorance and naiveté about anything regarding the regional problems and how to solve them.

And with all due respect to the writers of the document, they are not free of problems either. Despite the fact that they are Arabs and Arabic speakers, they differentiate themselves from the general Arab-Muslim scene and define themselves as the Alawite “nation”, only because they are members of a different religion. It may be that the way they view themselves is based on the fact that they are separate tribes from the Muslim tribes, and they see themselves as the original natives of the mountains of western Syria, in contrast to the Arab Muslims who invaded the area in the seventh century from the Arabian Peninsula under the unsheathed sword of the second Muslim Caliph, Umar bin al-Khattab, who imposed Islam upon the conquered peoples.

Without doubt, the Alawites made the necessary conclusions from what is written in the document because they have ruled the Muslims since 1966 with a cruel and blood thirsty iron fist, because they knew well what would happen if the Muslims ruled over them.

An interesting additional detail in the document is the fact that the Ottoman Empireis not mentioned at all, even though it tried to Islamize the Alawites and forced them to build mosques in their villages. It could be that the signatories refrained from relating to the Turks because of the Alawite minority that lived in Turkey, and the fear that if they openly relate to the Turks in a negative way, the Turks might take revenge on their Alawite brothers who live in Turkey.

But the most interesting detail in the document is the positive way in which the writers relate to the Jews in the Land of Israel. Who knows, perhaps in the future after the Alawites are forced to flee for their lives from the Muslim cities in Syria in order to escape the fate that is described in the document and in order to keep their heads on their shoulders, they will establish their independent state in their mountains, the Mountains of Ansariyya, and perhaps then – as a persecuted minority state – in a historical irony, they will try to join hands with the “Zionist entity”, which is still an illegitimate and despised entity in the eyes of the Arabs and the Muslims...

Continued; http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/analysis/dr-mordechai-kedar/assads-grandfathers-1936-letter-predicts-muslim-slaughter-of-minorities-praises-zionists/2012/09/20/0/

ariel
09-03-2013, 07:27 AM
to all the stupid trolls who calling alawites arabs lol

blogen
09-03-2013, 07:33 AM
But the Alawites are Arabs in Syria.

ariel
09-03-2013, 07:36 AM
But the Alawites are Arabs in Syria.

no, they are native syrian populatin (canaanites) who arabized during the islamic period. they are not ethnic arabs at all.

Anglojew
09-03-2013, 07:38 AM
"Civil war" Syrian style;

http://vladtepesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/rebels.jpg

blogen
09-03-2013, 07:44 AM
no, they are native syrian populatin (canaanites) who arabized during the islamic period. they are not ethnic arabs at all.

The Shia is an Islamic sect and not a Canaanite religion and a part of Syria was Arab before the Islam already. And the Syrian Alwites speak in Arabic and not a Canaanite language since all of the Canaanite languages became extinct, except the Hebrew.

So, who are these Alewite Canaanites? ;)

ariel
09-03-2013, 07:53 AM
The Shia is an Islamic sect and not a Canaanite religion and a part of Syria was Arab before the Islam already. And the Syrian Alwites speak in Arabic and not a Canaanite language since all of the Canaanite languages became extinct, except the Hebrew.

So, who are these Alewite Canaanites? ;)

first to all your knowledge is very impressive.:thumb001:

the syrian alawites are not exactly shia but only alawites.

about the alawism

In the 19th century and early 20th century, some Western scholars believed Alawites were descended from ancient Middle Eastern peoples such as Canaanites and Hittites

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites.

religion have nothing to do with ethnicity,arabs invadet syria in small numbers before the islamic occupation of the middle east.

Hayalet
09-03-2013, 07:55 AM
In the 19th century and early 20th century, some Western scholars believed Alawites were descended from ancient Middle Eastern peoples such as Canaanites and Hittites
No, they did not.

ariel
09-03-2013, 07:57 AM
No, they did not.

and you are expert about this topic?

YeshAtid
09-03-2013, 08:03 AM
No, they did not.
Evidence shows it
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?615-Assyrian-Y-DNA-Distribution/page5

Hayalet
09-03-2013, 08:05 AM
and you are expert about this topic?
I'm at least fairly certain Alawites have nothing do with Hittites (of all people) in particular, yes.

ariel
09-03-2013, 08:11 AM
I'm at least fairly certain Alawites have nothing do with Hittites (of all people) in particular, yes.

im never claimed they are hittites but canaanites ;)

Hayalet
09-03-2013, 08:12 AM
im never claimed they are hittites but canaanites ;)
It's also very much doubtful if they are any more 'Canaanite' than their non-Alawite neighbors.

Formozgan
09-03-2013, 08:15 AM
It's also very much doubtful if they are any more 'Canaanite' than their non-Alawite neighbors.

I do not understand this jewish obsession with racial purity and ancient ethnic groups. I guess this is part of the trauma Nazis inflicted upon them after WWII. Pure Levantines don't exist, this region was the first colonized by man outside Africa, it is a complete crossroad since ancient times. Alawites are Muslims are a subdivision of Shia anyway, like the Druze, as divergent as they might get.

blogen
09-03-2013, 08:17 AM
first to all your knowledge is very impressive.:thumb001:

the syrian alawites are not exactly shia but only alawites.

Ok, almost Shia.


about the alawism

In the 19th century and early 20th century, some Western scholars believed Alawites were descended from ancient Middle Eastern peoples such as Canaanites and Hittites

And they were wrong. Arameans and Arabs lived before the Islam in Syria


religion have nothing to do with ethnicity,arabs invadet syria in small numbers before the islamic occupation of the middle east.

Earlier! Palmyra, Ghassanids, etc.

ariel
09-03-2013, 08:17 AM
It's also very much doubtful if they are any more 'Canaanite' than their non-Alawite neighbors.

they look nothing like ethnic arabs

http://imageshack.us/a/img138/7793/b055.jpg

Equilibrium
09-03-2013, 08:19 AM
In the 19th century and early 20th century, some Western scholars believed Alawites were descended from ancient Middle Eastern peoples such as Canaanites and Hittites

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites.

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/29452_i_minus_comiYv9kte9yEIDy_gif_iYv9kte9yEIDy.g if


You never fail to surprise.. :D

ariel
09-03-2013, 08:21 AM
http://www.pictureshack.us/images/29452_i_minus_comiYv9kte9yEIDy_gif_iYv9kte9yEIDy.g if


You never fail to surprise.. :D

its not me its the scholars.:picard2:

YeshAtid
09-03-2013, 08:25 AM
I do not understand this jewish obsession with racial purity and ancient ethnic groups. I guess this is part of the trauma Nazis inflicted upon them after WWII. Pure Levantines don't exist, this region was the first colonized by man outside Africa, it is a complete crossroad since ancient times. Alawites are Muslims are a subdivision of Shia anyway, like the Druze, as divergent as they might get.
http://randomoverload.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/691ef942d0nwhile.jpg.jpg

Equilibrium
09-03-2013, 08:28 AM
its not me its the scholars.:picard2:

Have you checked the given sources? :rolleyes:

This one is for the Hittite claim:
"Lyde, Samuel (1860). The Asian mystery illustrated in the history, religion, and present state of Ansaireeh or Nusairis of Syria"

The writer was an english missionary in Syria at that time..

Formozgan
09-03-2013, 08:28 AM
http://randomoverload.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/691ef942d0nwhile.jpg.jpg

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/424/514/4f3.png

YeshAtid
09-03-2013, 08:30 AM
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/424/514/4f3.png

:picard2:

Formozgan
09-03-2013, 08:31 AM
:picard2:

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/426/131/b92.png

Sblast
09-03-2013, 08:38 AM
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/426/131/b92.png

:lol:

Where are you getting these?

ariel
09-03-2013, 09:05 AM
the alawites said it in their own words look how many times they call themselves "alawite nation".

http://www.jewishideasdaily.com/1051/features/whither-the-alawites/

Time does not appear to be on the side of Syria's minority Alawite-led regime. President Bashar Assad has reportedly been offered asylum in Moscow, which wants an orderly transition that will preserve Russian strategic interests. Other stories have Assad and his loyalists preparing mountain strongholds for a last-ditch stand, fortified by Syria's arsenal of WMDs. If Assad falls, there will, of course, be winners and losers. The Arab world's Sunni majority and the Muslim Brotherhood will clearly gain. Shi'ite Iran, whose mullahs have used Assad's regime to bolster their Hezbollah proxies in neighboring Lebanon, will lose. Christian, Druse, and Ismaili minorities could also suffer.


Relevant Links

Arab Majorities, Arab Minorities Zvi Mazel, Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs. The well-being of minorities and group reconciliation are not high on the agenda anywhere in the Arab world.

Just a Matter of Time Amos Harel, Haaretz. Israeli experts give the Syrian regime a slim-to-none chance of survival.

The Alawites and Israel John Myhill, BESA Center. If Israel thinks the Assads are warlike, just wait until it sees their successors.

A Tale of Two Villages Nir Rosen, Al Jazeera. “There is no village here,” says an Alawite general, “that doesn’t have a martyr or two” to the Muslims.

But the biggest losers in an Assad departure would be the Alawites. Of Syria's 22 million inhabitants, they make up only 12 percent; in contrast, 74 percent are Sunni Muslims (the rest are Druse, Ismaili, Kurd, Turkoman, Armenian, Circassian, and Christian). According to W. Andrew Terrill of the U.S. Army War College, the post-Assad Alawites may be forced to retreat en masse to their historic mountain region above the coastal city of Latakia. Lately, there's been talk of their seeking refuge on the Golan Heights. In the worst case, they face a massacre.

Who are these Alawites? Also known as Nusairi, they are an ancient indigenous Middle Eastern tribe. Their religion, founded in the 10th or 11th century, is theologically distinguished from Islam by beliefs in reincarnation and a Trinity and the deification of Ali, Muhammad's nephew and son-in-law, whom they revere as God's greatest manifestation. Alawites view Joshua bin Nun, the biblical Hebrew hero who conquered the Land of Israel, as another of God's incarnations; and they venerate certain Christian holy days and symbols. No wonder Orthodox Sunnis view them as heretical.

For most of their history, the Alawites held themselves apart from Arabs and were socially and economically inferior to the dominant Sunnis. During the French Mandate over Syria after World War I, Bashar's grandfather, Suleiman al-Assad, is said to have lobbied French Prime Minister Léon Blum against establishing a united Syria, arguing, "The spirit of hatred and fanaticism imbedded in the hearts of the Arab Muslims against everything that is non-Muslim has been perpetually nurtured by the Islamic religion."

Syria became nominally independent in 1936–37 and gained real independence in 1946, in the wake of World War II. As one Sunni-led coup followed another, the Alawites observed from the sidelines. Increasing numbers of their sons became educated and went into the army. They found allies in the Ba'ath Party, founded by a Christian and a Sunni Muslim, with its secular policies and concern for the rural peasantry. In 1963 the Ba'ath led their own coup. In 1966, following a party schism, yet another coup—the 13th in 17 years—propelled an Alawite into the presidency for the first time. In 1970, General Hafez al-Assad, Bashar's father, became a sort of super-chief of the four Alawite clans and consolidated control of the regime.

Though the Alawites are, arguably, neither Muslim nor Arab, their regime has embraced both Islam and Arab nationalism. Theologically, the Assad dynasty has been—well, pragmatic. Hafez Assad made the hajj to Mecca in 1974, though pilgrimage is not part of the Alawite creed. Nor is praying at a mosque, though that did not stop him from dedicating one in his mother's memory. Hafez also sought and received an Islamic theological imprimatur for the Alawites from malleable Shi'ite clergymen. He sent Alawites to Iran for religious studies. Syria's school system exposes Alawite pupils to Sunni religious teachings. As Eli Eshed recently hypothesized in Mekor Rishon, it is as if the Assad dynasty, to survive, stood ready to modify Alawite beliefs in virtually any direction.

For four decades the Alawites—with their religio-tribal unity, patrimonial structure, and discipline—were able to control the Syrian polity. In contrast, the Sunni majority was divided along social, geographic, and ideological lines. Despite the growth of Islam as a rallying cry, it remains fragmented today.

Yet the Assads, by tying the fate of the Alawite community to the regime and compounding past mass murder—in Hama in 1982—with today's brutality, have set in motion the terrible prospect of a merciless Sunni retribution against the Alawites. So far, 5,000 Syrians have reportedly been killed in the uprising. Some are regime opponents or members of the security services, but innocent Alawites are among them; no one knows how many. Whatever Assad's personal fate, it is hard to see the Alawites simply surrendering to the Sunni opposition.

True to form, Damascus initially sought to blame the popular uprising on Israel, labeling the "Free Syrian Army" a Mossad front; otherwise, "not a single Alawite would be willing to kill a Sunni, and vice versa." Yet it is not clear that Assad's departure would be a net plus for Israel.

Plainly, it is in Israel's interest to see a smooth transition that secures Syria's weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). The alternative would be an anarchical end to the regime, with the Syrian state failing à la Lebanon, terror chieftains competing over fiefdoms, and no "central address" for regime decision-making. Syrian WMDs could fall into terrorist hands. A power vacuum would enable Palestinian Arab and Hezbollah gunmen to use the Golan to launch attacks on Israel.

But Israel cannot influence the outcome of Syrian events, and the plausible scenarios are disturbing. According to Tel Aviv University's Itamar Rabinovich, Assad might lash out against Israel if he reckons his end is near. Bar-Ilan University's Mordechai Kedar would not rule out Syria's disintegration into a Kurdish North, Alawite West, Druse South, Bedouin East, and Sunni core.

Ehud Barak, Ehud Olmert, and Benjamin Netanyahu were all rebuffed by the Assad regime in their attempts to exchange the Golan Heights for a genuine peace: The dynasty needed an Israeli enemy to distract the Sunni masses. Perhaps it was for the best. Will any successor Syrian regime honor a treaty signed by an Alawite ruler? Possibly—in the same fashion in which Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood plans to honor the 1979 Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty: by putting it to a popular referendum.

ab000
04-07-2014, 12:30 AM
But the Alawites are Arabs in Syria.

No they aren't they are the Christian population of Asia minor who converted to Islam during the Ottoman period. In Turkish they are given the name Alevi. ( Although Turks practice a different style of Shia Islam )

ab000
04-07-2014, 12:32 AM
to all the stupid trolls who calling alawites arabs lol

Above. ^

blogen
04-07-2014, 05:03 AM
No they aren't they are the Christian population of Asia minor who converted to Islam during the Ottoman period. In Turkish they are given the name Alevi. ( Although Turks practice a different style of Shia Islam )

The Alewites in Syria speak Arab language, so they are Arabs. The Alevis in Turkey mostly Turks, but almost 25% of them are Kurdish.

ab000
04-07-2014, 10:21 AM
The Alewites in Syria speak Arab language, so they are Arabs. The Alevis in Turkey mostly Turks, but almost 25% of them are Kurdish.

They are culturally and linguistically Arabs yes but racially Anatolian. They are the descendants of the Christian population who flee to the Levant when the French Mandates split up Lebanon Syria Turkey and Palestine. I think I would know the history.

http://www.oodegr.com/english/thriskies/Islam/lost_christians_asia_minor.htm

The ceremony (âyîn-i cem, or simply cem) features music and dance (semah) in which both women and men participate. Rituals are performed in Turkish, Zazaki, and other local languages—not in Arabic, as in other Muslim groups.

"Alevi" is generally explained as referring to ‘Alī ibn Abī Tālib, the cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad. The name represents a Turkish form of ‘Alawī (Arabic: علوي‎) "of or pertaining to ‘Alī".Even though the term Alevi is simply the Turkish derived form of Arabic ‘Alawī, the Arab form of the term today refers to the distinct group of the Arabic-speaking ‘Alawī of Syria.

Please read history.

blogen
04-07-2014, 10:43 AM
They are culturally and linguistically Arabs yes but racially Anatolian.

Yes, they are ethnic Arabs. A racial charcter is not an ethnic issue.


They are the descendants of the Christian population

As the other Levanteans too.

ab000
04-07-2014, 10:51 AM
Yes, they are ethnic Arabs. A racial charcter is not an ethnic issue.


As the other Levanteans too.

No they are not ethnic Arabs, ( Semitics ) they are ethnic Arabs who descend from the Christian population of Asia Minor, as do some Alevis in Turkey and Azerbaijan. Alevi is Alawite in Arabic. Do I have to educate you on Turkish or Turkic languages? Speaking a language doesn't make someone ethnically Arabic. Persians speak the Indo European languages but they are racially Asian. You're saying that because you're Turkish and you deny the genocide. Many Alawites died during the Ottoman Empire from Lebanon and Syria Turks look down their noses at Alawites so please can it.



Levant is a geographical reason. Racially West Asian Arabs have to be Eastern Mediterranean/ Near Eastern to be Levantine because of the Phoenicians.

blogen
04-07-2014, 11:32 AM
No they are not ethnic Arabs, ( Semitics )

They are Semites, since they speak a Semitic language, the Arab. Their ancestors are irrevelant, they are ethnic Arabs now. But yes, there are ethnic Turkish and ethnic Kurdish Alevis too.


Speaking a language doesn't make someone ethnically Arabic.

Ethnicity = language basically and the ethnicity does not have race. For example she is an ethnic Hungarian:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4mkPsclpbv4/TfxiOvoti4I/AAAAAAAAGtA/EqtxDdqO8es/s1600/259908_10150226148927422_812457421_7406661_8116763 _n.jpg

Her mother language is Hungarian, she calls himself a Magyar, so she is a clear ethnic Hungarian girl. Yes, she is a mulattoe. And?

And I am a Hungarian too (not a mulattoe, but this is irrevelant).

ab000
04-07-2014, 11:47 AM
They are Semites, since they speak a Semitic language, the Arab. Their ancestors are irrevelant, they are ethnic Arabs now. But yes, there are ethnic Turkish and ethnic Kurdish Alevis too.



Ethnicity = language basically and the ethnicity does not have race. For example she is an ethnic Hungarian:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4mkPsclpbv4/TfxiOvoti4I/AAAAAAAAGtA/EqtxDdqO8es/s1600/259908_10150226148927422_812457421_7406661_8116763 _n.jpg

Her mother language is Hungarian, she calls himself a Magyar, so she is a clear ethnic Hungarian girl. Yes, she is a mulattoe. And?

And I am a Hungarian too (not a mulattoe, but this is irrevelant).

No it isn't irrelevant you are racially what your genetics are I am not denying they can't call themselves Arab because they live there Arab is a language not a race. Jews are related to each other Arabs are not. So we are agreeing and disagreeing there. Also, you're racially Turkish / Hunnic Hungarians ( Ural ) are not Mongoloid this is propaganda.

You're racially Turk you speak Altaic languages Hungarians are White not Mongoloid therefore European. Yes she is Hungarian and Black? She is still Hungarian and Black even if she spoke Arabic or Spanish.

blogen
04-07-2014, 12:57 PM
No it isn't irrelevant you are racially what your genetics are I am not denying they can't call themselves Arab because they live there Arab is a language not a race. Jews are related to each other Arabs are not. So we are agreeing and disagreeing there. Also, you're racially Turkish / Hunnic Hungarians ( Ural ) are not Mongoloid this is propaganda.
You're racially Turk you speak Altaic languages Hungarians are White not Mongoloid therefore European. Yes she is Hungarian and Black? She is still Hungarian and Black even if she spoke Arabic or Spanish.

The race is not an ethnic issue. She is Hungarian only, since the blackness is not ethnic identity in Europe. And I am racially Turanid and not "Turkic" or whatever. The Turanid is not a "Turkic race", there are no "Turkic race" or other ethnicized race.

And the Jews are a racist anomaly, since they are the only ethnic group in this planet, who define themselves on a racial basis.