"Balkanoids"

[Hussar]

It's a long story.

I've never hd (until 10-15 yrs ago) a precise image of the phenotypical composition of Balkanic populations. And i STILL don't have , since i don't believe in the stereotypes so common around here.

Over the years i've read, of course, alot of discussions on the subject , without any conclusion if not the resistence of the previous concepts.

I' read for the first time the word : "Balkanoids".


Now i'd like we could clarify the thing (with greater maturity than in the past), thank the contribution of every member (especially the southern slavs) interested in the subject.....on a scientific (and observational) level. Considerations, discussione, graphs, Maps, etc. etc. etc.

Does exist a "balkanoid" type really ? Does exist the so called "Dinarid" ? How do really look the southern slavs populations ?? (prescinding the stereotypes..........)

Everyone is free to express his/her own impressions or data.

We could start more schematically, focusing our attention on the nations of ex-Jugoslavia for example.

[Lysander]

How do really look the southern slavs populations ?
Sigh.
What does a Englishman look like? A Norwegian?

You can't lump everyone together and say this is what they all look like... Except the Chinese :).
Google Belgrad or something and look at pictures and you'll get an idea.

[Svarog]

I am gonna do smth i probably should not and post my entire high-school class, there are few people missing including me that did not show up on this gay pic taking
for the graduate newspapers but 90% of my class is here and i also posted pic of me with my gf who is not from 'Balkans' but is a Slav - all Serbs but one Hungarian and one mix between a Serb and smth else. Imo each and everyone of us looks different and NO WAY in hell we could put under one description, and whole school is like that, then whole town, then whole region etc Also this could be moved to a more private place

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/kovac.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/a.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/aca.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/da.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dejo.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dsa.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dsef.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dwa.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dwadwa.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/fs.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/fsd.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/ivan.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/jova.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/jovana.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/jovana2.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/maja.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/marko.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/nemec.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/olja.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/rwe.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/sdf.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/sonja.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/srele.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/untitled-4.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/untitled9.jpg

[Monolith]

Random examples from Zagreb, Croatia;

http://matura.hr/maturanti/2008_2009/zagreb/gornjogradska-gimnazija-zagreb/4A/

http://matura.hr/maturanti/2008_2009/zagreb/drvodjelska-skola-zagreb/4B/

http://matura.hr/maturanti/2008_2009/zagreb/xii-gimnazija-zagreb/4E/

http://matura.hr/maturanti/2008_2009/zagreb/treca-ekonomska-skola-zagreb/4B/

It isn't that complicated. People here are mostly Slavic-Dinaric-Mediterranean mix.

[Svarog]

Some more Serbian mongrels and I am done with here:

on this - three persons are Serbs, one Scottish and one English:

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/tosic-ljajic_1215201c.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/ivan_280x390_558415a.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/AdemLjajic_2276618.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/340ceb88-d2ac-4df7-a35f-6ec03470849.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/25450gif.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/01467b5809ef.png
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd2/kdarnie/serbia/lolabeinghot.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/nolezastava.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/531521963_4cf2e6f9b7.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/53872837844256941b37d9005521211.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/62729388YaAiYWbW.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/ana-ivanovic-yonex.jpg
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/odbojka1.jpg
http://www.fotorola.com/uploads/0519a2112c.jpg

[Absinthe]

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/531521963_4cf2e6f9b7.jpg

:lol00002:

Right, let us reinforce the stereotype, that Balkan women are cheap sluts. ;)

[Poltergeist]

The area traditionally referred to as Balkans, which stretches roughly to the south of an imaginary line drawn between the Delta of Danube and the Bay of Trieste (thus comprising Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, Montenegro, Bosnia, southern Romania, Macedonia, European part of Turkey, most of Serbia and most of Croatia) has several subracial types. There exists no unified Balkanic type. "Balkanoids" is anyway invention of the internet and used among forumists of several preservationist forums only.

The Dinaric type is very widespread, but by no means the only one present there.

[Poltergeist]

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/531521963_4cf2e6f9b7.jpg

:lol00002:

Right, let us reinforce the stereotype, that Balkan women are cheap sluts. ;)

It's generally an Eastern European stereotype. Plenty of women dressing too provocatively, deeming it to be something "modern", "trendy".

[Bridie]

The Serbs seem to have quite distinctive eyes. :) Nice, clear examples Svarog. :)

Is it just me, or do the Croatians (going on the examples in this thread) tend to have a bit more of a "Western" look about them?

[Poltergeist]

What's "western" look?

[Loki]

What's "western" look?

Swarthy, I guess? ;)

[Svarog]

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/531521963_4cf2e6f9b7.jpg

:lol00002:

Right, let us reinforce the stereotype, that Balkan women are cheap sluts. ;)

I did that with purpose really - showing Serbis as it is. And beside, there is nothing on that girl that makes her a slut, she is not selling her body but is just 'dressed' badly - the thing is - labeling someone as a slut because of the clothes is the western thing, here - everyone dress with a little clothes but that does not mean anyone is gonna get some just if he/she asks and we don't go around staring as mules at her breasts cause it is normal - human body :)

[Bridie]

Swarthy, I guess? ;):rolleyes:

No, I was referring to shape of eyes and mouth area mostly. I use the British Isles as my point of reference really for a "Western" look... for obvious reasons.

Eg, this would be a look very foreign to Western Europe...

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/untitled-4.jpg

And...

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/aca.jpg


Whereas this not so much...

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/maja.jpg

[Absinthe]

I did that with purpose really - showing Serbis as it is. And beside, there is nothing on that girl that makes her a slut, she is not selling her body but is just 'dressed' badly - the thing is - labeling someone as a slut because of the clothes is the western thing, here - everyone dress with a little clothes but that does not mean anyone is gonna get some just if he/she asks and we don't go around staring as mules at her breasts cause it is normal - human body :)

It is not just her poor dressing choice but the total of her physiognomy that suggests she is what we call a "loose woman".

I wouldn't be complaining if you called me a slut, if I went outside with my nipples showing. ;)

And I am far from modest, but I think there's a line that separates sexy from slutty. :wink

[Bridie]

we don't go around staring as mules at her breasts cause it is normal - human body There's nothing normal about those breast implants. :D

[Svarog]

It is not just her poor dressing choice but the total of her physiognomy that suggests she is what we call a "loose woman".

I wouldn't be complaining if you called me a slut, if I went outside with my nipples showing. ;)

And I am far from modest, but I think there's a line that separates sexy from slutty. :wink

Well, she is dumb, good looking and famous so thus far she is forgiven :D

Slutty can be sexy tho, tho I do agree it can also be nasty, tho, this thread is not about my kinkiness - it would need pages and pages for that one :D


There's nothing normal about those breast implants. :D

Well, she is dumb, good looking and famous so thus far she is forgiven :D

Tho, as i said, did it with purpose, that is what Belgrade streets look like, I was going more for general image than the girl herself - but from the experience, it is not all that easy to 'get laid' as man would say by just looking at pics :D

[Loki]

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/531521963_4cf2e6f9b7.jpg

I see nothing wrong with this girl :coffee: :thumb001:

[Nationalitist]

Our national football team:

http://i34.tinypic.com/9zlhzb.jpg

Number 14, 1, 11, 13, 18 are Balkanoids, other players are Slovenians.

[Svarog]

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/531521963_4cf2e6f9b7.jpg

I see nothing wrong with this girl :coffee: :thumb001:

This is the same girl:

[Bridie]

This is the same girl:Looks a lot like a friend of mine... Irish/Scottish mother, Serbian father.

[Tabiti]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4288

[Beorn]

I see nothing wrong with this girl :coffee: :thumb001:

You would if you were her father. I must be getting old, but I actually have the urge to locate a blanket and give it to her.

[Bridie]

^ Must be a cultural difference too.

Over here, if a woman dressed like that she would be setting herself up for abuse.

[Tabiti]

Sometimes clothing and make up make a women to look "Western" or "Eastern". Strange, but fact.

[Svarog]

Why'd she be abused?

[Bridie]

Sometimes clothing and make up make a women to look "Western" or "Eastern". Strange, but fact.I think clothes, hair and make-up can make a big difference generally, not just with "East" and "West", but also with countries, regions within countries and social classes.

But I still think there are distinctive phenotypical differences between NW, SW, NE and SE Europe. There are always exceptions to the rule though.

[Loki]

Over here, if a woman dressed like that she would be setting herself up for abuse.

You mean the Muslim mindset has advanced to Australia as well already? :eek: In Sweden, Muslim immigrants think they have the right to rape white girls who dress scantily. They "deserve it". :rolleyes:

[Guapo]

^ Must be a cultural difference too.

Over here, if a woman dressed like that she would be setting herself up for abuse.

You must be exaggerating. This woman is an actress, she lives for attention.

[Bridie]

Why'd she be abused?
Men (and people in general) would assume that she is looking for cheap sex and/or sexual attention. And because she is dressed as though she has no moral decency nor integrity, men would likely have no respect for her...

[Tabiti]

But I still think there are distinctive phenotypical differences between NW, SW, NE and NW Europe. There are always exceptions to the rule though.
Yes, you can find that in every anthropological book;)

[Svarog]

Men (and people in general) would assume that she is looking for cheap sex and/or sexual attention. And because she is dressed as though she has no moral decency nor integrity, men would likely have no respect for her...

See, here, men would pass behind her just as if she had a fur coat on, beside maybe teenagers in adolescence

[Bridie]

You mean the Muslim mindset has advanced to Australia as well already? :eek: In Sweden, Muslim immigrants think they have the right to rape white girls who dress scantily. They "deserve it". :rolleyes:It's not about having little clothing on though... it's so hot here that it is common to wear next to nothing... but it's the way in which someone presents themselves overall.



You must be exaggerating. I'm not.



This woman is an actress, she lives for attention.
Porn actress?

[Bridie]

See, here, men would pass behind her just as if she had a fur coat on, beside maybe teenagers in adolescenceI guess it's just what you get used to... so cultural differences...

[Tabiti]

See, here, men would pass behind her just as if she had a fur coat on, beside maybe teenagers in adolescence
And gypsies and some low class workers. They use to pay attention and like women dressed in similar way. That's why I'm wondering why many females don't find it disturbing to attract scum's signs.

[Guapo]

She is dressed inappropriately but if a woman wants to dress that way with a body like that then all the power to her.

[Svarog]

Porn actress?

Yes, there is her 'video' around but beside, as impossible as it sounds - she is a great actress and terribly talented, she screwed her career because she is dumb, but really, she is a good actress in Serbian movies, tho this is so far the only Hollywood one she played in i think

Hell Ride (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411475/)

[Tabiti]

I guess it's just what you get used to... so cultural differences...
I wouldn't call that exactly cultural differences but taste, dictated by the fashion. I don't think we see much different way of dressing in the USA movies, for example. Just Eastern women are more "daring" and love to show themselves, especially after the communism when there was no big clothing choice.

[Absinthe]

She is dressed inappropriately but if a woman wants to dress that way with a body like that then all the power to her.
For the record, I have no problem with "sluts" or even with prostitutes.

What I was saying is, first of all,

a) she might be the most prudent person on earth, but if she dresses like a slut then she should expect to be guessed as one, and

b) in the above fashion, presenting women like her gives the wrong idea, i.e., come to the Balkans, our women are sluts. :wink

I hope you get my point. There are such women in every nation but it's not very good for the image of a country, if they are presented as the typical sample of their nation. :)

[Svarog]

I wouldn't call that exactly cultural differences but taste, dictated by the fashion. I don't think we see much different way of dressing in the USA movies, for example. Just Eastern women are more "daring" and love to show themselves, especially after the communism when there was no big clothing choice.

And it is better to look slutty and distasteful dressed and not be a slut then covered from feet to a neck and be a slut anyways :D

Stupid girls here only copy what they see in American movies anyway...


For the record, I have no problem with "sluts" or even with prostitutes.

What I was saying is, first of all,

a) she might be the most prudent person on earth, but if she dresses like a slut then she should expect to be guessed as one, and

b) in the above fashion, presenting women like her gives the wrong idea, i.e., come to the Balkans, our women are sluts. :wink

I hope you get my point. There are such women in every nation but it's not very good for the image of a country, if they are presented as the typical sample of their nation. :)

AVE!

[Tabiti]

I've heard that among the biggest sluts are turkish women, for example. No matter some of them are veiled. In fact, that was the reason Middle Eastern men to cover their women. One of Mohamed's wives cheated on him, so that's why veils appeared in Islam.

[Bridie]

I wouldn't call that exactly cultural differences but taste, dictated by the fashion. I don't think we see much different way of dressing in the USA movies, for example. Just Eastern women are more "daring" and love to show themselves, especially after the communism when there was no big clothing choice.So this sort of dressing is a result of Americanisation, would you say?

[Tabiti]

So this sort of dressing is a result of Americanisation, would you say?
Short skirts were accepted as "western propaganda" by the communist, so there was a period (in 50's and 60's) when a woman dressed like that could have problems with the militia. Make-up was strongly forbidden in schools, the same for high heels, ponytails and long hairs.

[Svarog]

So this sort of dressing is a result of Americanisation, would you say?

Sort of, but I prefer to call it a lack of brain cells. Still, I don't see anything wrong with it, I am not a church worm nor I have some morality complex, I believe everyone have right to self-determination and to pursue happiness in his/her own way so if one prefer to look as a slut - that's fine by me. Yet, I can act as a man-whore, make inappropriate comments etc but yet never in my life I cheated on my gfs, payed for sex, grabbed female friend's ass, kissed a guy or acted in any similar way, it's more of an image, just as looking slutty.

It would be cool tho if a separate thread would be make and removed these posts, it is kind of interesting but also an offtopic.

[Bridie]

as impossible as it sounds - she is a great actress and terribly talented,
Doesn't sound impossible at all. She has probably just made some bad decisions in life. It happens.

Personally, I feel quite sad for women who feel the need to dress sexually provocatively (as opposed to elegantly or beautifully) in order to feel good about themselves, or to feel lovable or valuable. This is one of the illusions that modernity presents our girls with... that sexual attention from strange men equates personal worth and value. Girls don't often realise what men really think of them...

[Inese]

Does exist a "balkanoid" type really ? Does exist the so called "Dinarid" ? How do really look the southern slavs populations ?? (prescinding the stereotypes..........)
Yes i think there is a Balkanoid type and i was posting two example photos yesterday.:icon_yes: It has to do with the eyes and face of them what make them look Balkanoid you know?!! Croats and Slovenians have not so strong Balkanoid traits but the more Southern people have.

Here examples

http://diepresse.com/images/uploads/e/8/6/355974/kos20080117092938.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R8RQGQYq0hI/AAAAAAAALlI/2GG0j8hDNLY/s400/serb3.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2008/0802/kosovo_rally_0222.jpg
http://www.warchat.org/pictures/bosnian-serbs-siege.jpg

And a video game where the character is a Serb with typical Balkanoid trait :rolleyes:

http://estb.msn.com/i/69/EA11680506FBEBE1243A3E1B92CF.jpg

[Svarog]

ah, Niko Belić, I sure did enjoy the game!! And yes, he does look Serbian :)

Oh, the rest of your crap is not worth discussing, I posted a bulk of pics of people that lives here, you posted one pic of football hooligans, one of war thugs from Bosnia, one random pic of an angry mob, some perfectly normal looking kid and a cartoon carachter - good work Inese - dumbass.

PS - Croatia is more south located than Serbia is

PSS - Croatian and Serbs are both beautiful looking people that are proud of what they are and not petty wannabies.

PSSSetc - Balkanese type? lol

What exactly is your theory, will you take pics of my class i posted and write for each what is a Balkanese about them beside living in that region?

[Guapo]

And a video game where the character is a Serb with typical Balkanoid trait :rolleyes:

http://estb.msn.com/i/69/EA11680506FBEBE1243A3E1B92CF.jpg

You are serious? :rotfl2

This "balkanoid trait" is ridiculous. I don't resemble any of these examples.

[Svarog]

You are serious? :rotfl2

This "balkanoid trait" is ridiculous. I don't resemble any of these examples.

It is about your eyes and face, okay??!!! :mad:

[Tabiti]

Video game stereotypes are the best anthropological source ever!:thumb001:

[Inese]

What exactly is your theory, will you take pics of my class i posted and write for each what is a Balkanese about them beside living in that region?
OK!! :mad:

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/kovac.jpg
The eyes and face look Balkanoid

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/a.jpg
The yes and mouth and the head form

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/aca.jpg
Eyes

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/da.jpg
Lips , eyes and dark traits

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dejo.jpg
Eyes and head form

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dsa.jpg
Yes and head form

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dsef.jpg
She looks not very strong Balkanoid but a little bit in the eyes

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dwa.jpg
A little bit dinarid face but not strong

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dwadwa.jpg
Face and eyes, chin

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/fs.jpg
Not strong Balkanoid

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/fsd.jpg
Not strong but at the eyes

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/ivan.jpg
Typical Balkanoid with the face, head and eyes

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/jova.jpg
Not strong Balkanoid but too much tan

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/jovana.jpg
Eyes

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/jovana2.jpg
Hm eyes

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/maja.jpg
She looks not Balkanoid

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/marko.jpg
Balkanoid head form and eyes

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/nemec.jpg
Looks not Balkanoid

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/olja.jpg
Eyes and mouth

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/rwe.jpg
Dinarid eyes

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/sdf.jpg
Dinarid

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/sonja.jpg
Not strong Balkanoid but visible

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/srele.jpg
His eyes and head form

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/untitled-4.jpg
Eyes and lips

[Svarog]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

[Tabiti]

From the above classifications I couldn't understand what are that Balkanoid eyes, since that label is put on quite various people...

[Radojica]

This is the same girl:

Maja Mandzuka :O :O? Jesus Christ!!

[Hussar]

INESE...............please !:D

[Hussar]

Hmmmm...........it's my turn.

Well, from the most traditional anthropologic sources the pigmentation of most important Ex-Jugoslavian ethnicities :


EYES

Slovenians : Light and Intermediate = 65-70% Dark = 30-35%

Croatians : Light and Intermediate = 65-70 ; Dark = 30-35%

Serbs : Light and Intermediate = 50-55% ; Dark = 45-50%


R.Biasutti//C.Coon** (Slovenians and Croatians are considered equivalents in pigmentations by Coon : at least Slavonia ; according to Biasutti, Istria and Dalmatia are noticeably darker. Light and intermediate eyes amongst Istrians are about 50%, while Dalmatians are dark eyed for 2/3 = 65% According to Biasutti.)
__________________________________________________ ____________


HAIR


Slovenes :Blondism (in the widest sense) = 30-35% [Biasutti-Coon-Weisbach]

Croatians : Blondism (in the widest sense) = 25-30%

Serbs : Blondism (//) = 10%


According to Biasutti , Dalmatia is the darkest zone with a rate of blondism lower than 10%. Istria is around 20%.

__________________________________________________ ____________

[Hussar]

My subjective opinion on the base of the data above...............is that the native ethnicities of Ex-Jugoslavian area (the so called "Balkanoids) are noticeably lighter than archtypical mediterranean populations like Iberians, Greeks, Sicilians etc. etc.

[Damião de Góis]

My subjective opinion on the base of the data above...............is that the native ethnicities of Ex-Jugoslavian area (the so called "Balkanoids) are noticeably lighter than archtypical mediterranean populations like Iberians, Greeks, Sicilians etc. etc.

but not italians?

[Hussar]

but not italians?

Italy is too heterogenous to generalize. Anyway i mentioned Sicily Alex.

[Guapo]

For the record, I have no problem with "sluts" or even with prostitutes.

What I was saying is, first of all,

a) she might be the most prudent person on earth, but if she dresses like a slut then she should expect to be guessed as one, and

b) in the above fashion, presenting women like her gives the wrong idea, i.e., come to the Balkans, our women are sluts. :wink

I hope you get my point. There are such women in every nation but it's not very good for the image of a country, if they are presented as the typical sample of their nation. :)

Maybe she was ovulating when the pic was taken. Women dress sexier when at ovulation, right? :D

[Mesrine]

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/531521963_4cf2e6f9b7.jpg

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/62729388YaAiYWbW.jpg

:85563001:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/997/embarquementjpg.jpg

[raZvan]

Call it self promotion but :love:
http://euro2008girls.com/pics/romanian-girl-08.jpg

[Guapo]

another fine up and coming Balkanoid super-athlete. Her "eyes" :love:

http://colunas.globoesporte.com/files/150/2008/04/VojislavaLukic500.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/flipmoded/Lukic.jpg
http://tracara.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/vojislava-lukic.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yOHoM2CSXMQ/SeQesaCVgKI/AAAAAAAAPVM/gpb8Qgcd5SY/s400/23.Vojislava+Lukic.jpg

[Stegura]

Some random Serbian girls

http://i6.tinypic.com/4bpqyoh.jpg

http://www.boox.co.yu/images/20040806/images/IMG_2502.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/5xiyfb4.jpg

More random pics of Serbian girls from Belgrade! :thumbs up

http://www.pbase.com/pavlec/belgrade_girls&page=1

[raZvan]

Win.

[Tabiti]

Don't turn this thread into the "Beautiful European Women" one. People want to see real Balkanoids, not only chicks!

[Guapo]

People want to see real Balkanoids, not only chicks!

But these are real balkanoids. Men usually get whiplash in Belgrade.


Call it self promotion but :love:

More Romanians

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs48/f/2009/176/e/b/ebe1f1568baf5bf105bae214f5a15983.jpg

http://ivayloslavkov.log.bg/article.php?article_id=10073

[Svarog]

But these are real balkanoids. Men usually get whiplash in Belgrade.



More Romanians

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs48/f/2009/176/e/b/ebe1f1568baf5bf105bae214f5a15983.jpg

http://ivayloslavkov.log.bg/article.php?article_id=10073

I'd so 'balkanise' with her any day :thumbs up

[Hussar]

hmmmmmm.............i've just seen many series of Balkanians (Serbian and Croatians) from some sites, and i have to say a thing : apparently they don't look stereotypicaly and fully southern European rather a mix with Central Europe.

Is there something of true in that or it's just my impression ?

[Goidelic]

hmmmmmm.............i've just seen many series of Balkanians (Serbian and Croatians) from some sites, and i have to say a thing : apparently they don't look stereotypicaly and fully southern European rather a mix with Central Europe.

Is there something of true in that or it's just my impression ?

Yes you're right, that's because of the Slavs & their migration. Some Slavs were always depicted as fair with blonde hair & facial features. ;)

Bosniaks are some of the fairest looking people in the Balkans, excluding Slovenia & Hungary which are more Central European rather than Balkan.

Occasionally, you come across Slavic looking Greeks that could pass for Central Euros as well. ;)

[Amarantine]

hmmmmmm.............i've just seen many series of Balkanians (Serbian and Croatians) from some sites, and i have to say a thing : apparently they don't look stereotypicaly and fully southern European rather a mix with Central Europe.

Is there something of true in that or it's just my impression ?

So what was the reason that you missed Montenegrins?

You mentiones some Slovenians:rolleyes2:, Croats:cool: and Serbs :rolleyes: and missed Montenegrins:eek:...I really would like to now your reason, Hussar!!!

pfffff:mad:

:coffee:

[Tony]

In my view there's a certain basic difference in phenotypes between balkanoids from the East and those from the "Illiryan range" that is the ex Yugoslavia areal but I couldn't elaborate in depht this impression of mine , I should be much more into genetic to find any correlation to this.

[Tabiti]

"Illiryan range" is mostly Dinarid. The Eastern parts are mostly Pontid.

[Goidelic]

"Illiryan range" is mostly Dinarid. The Eastern parts are mostly Pontid.

For some reason, I see the South Slavs as rather Pontid looking.

[Tabiti]

For some reason, I see the South Slavs as rather Pontid looking.
For some reason I don't like the term "South Slav" :D

[Monolith]

In my view there's a certain basic difference in phenotypes between balkanoids from the East and those from the "Illiryan range" that is the ex Yugoslavia areal but I couldn't elaborate in depht this impression of mine , I should be much more into genetic to find any correlation to this.
Indeed, the Bulgarians tend to be much more Pontid than Dinarid, as opposed to their western neighbors. Don't know about the Macedonians though. I guess they're somewhere in the middle.

For some reason I don't like the term "South Slav" :D
I don't like the term "Yugoslav" because it brings bad memories, while "South Slav" solely points out our linguistic affiliation. :)

[Hussar]

For some reason I don't like the term "South Slav" :D



Hmmmm........i was thinking : why to underline that definition ? "southern Slav......"



If it's so.........why not western or southern Germanic ? or northern and southern romance ?

[Hussar]

Bosniaks are some of the fairest looking people in the Balkans, excluding Slovenia & Hungary which are more Central European rather than Balkan.



Hungary isn't slav at all.


About slovenians we had a long discussion on their origin on AF.........are they really Balkanians ? or something different ?


Anyway i reflected better on the pigmentation data i posted several pages ago : many peoples say that southern slavic populations are substantially autoctonous biologically, but (imo) the size of slavic immigration had to be noticeable in the territories of ex-Jugoslavia : if it's true that mixed eyes and light eyes summed togheter constitute 60-70% of ethnic Croatians (for example).

I'm carefull to report these figures : often anthropologist aren't very precise.

Some Croatian or Serbian here could comment on the pigmentation data i reported, according on his/hr own direct experience ?






Hmmmm...........it's my turn.

Well, from the most traditional anthropologic sources the pigmentation of most important Ex-Jugoslavian ethnicities :


EYES

Slovenians : Light and Intermediate = 65-70% Dark = 30-35%

Croatians : Light and Intermediate = 65-70 ; Dark = 30-35%

Serbs : Light and Intermediate = 50-55% ; Dark = 45-50%


R.Biasutti//C.Coon** (Slovenians and Croatians are considered equivalents in pigmentations by Coon : at least Slavonia ; according to Biasutti, Istria and Dalmatia are noticeably darker. Light and intermediate eyes amongst Istrians are about 50%, while Dalmatians are dark eyed for 2/3 = 65% According to Biasutti.)
__________________________________________________ ____________


HAIR


Slovenes :Blondism (in the widest sense) = 30-35% [Biasutti-Coon-Weisbach]

Croatians : Blondism (in the widest sense) = 25-30%

Serbs : Blondism (//) = 10%


According to Biasutti , Dalmatia is the darkest zone with a rate of blondism lower than 10%. Istria is around 20%.

__________________________________________________ ____________

[Amarantine]

aliens...:P

[Hussar]

aliens...:P



??? who ?

[Amarantine]

??? who ?


How could you ask:rolleyes:...Boring Slovenians of course...:coffee:

[Hussar]

How could you ask:rolleyes:...Boring Slovenians of course...:coffee:


didn't know Slovenians would considerd aliens (!) in the ex-Jugoslavian spectrum.

[Amarantine]

didn't know Slovenians would considerd aliens (!) in the ex-Jugoslavian spectrum.

:eek: of course they are not, it was just my one ineffectual try of trolling...

I am not sure, is this Balkanoid term suitable for Jugoslavs, at all. Balkan is big with various typology.

[Monolith]

Hungary isn't slav at all.

Nevertheless, they have absorbed numerous Slavs in their ethnic corpus, namely the ones they encountered when they conquered the Balaton principality, and also many Croats, Serbs and other Slavs that fled before the Ottoman onslaught.


About slovenians we had a long discussion on their origin on AF.........are they really Balkanians ? or something different ?

There exists an ethnic as well as linguistic continuum in this part of Europe. It's not like the people all of a sudden become completely different when you cross the border.


Anyway i reflected better on the pigmentation data i posted several pages ago : many peoples say that southern slavic populations are substantially autoctonous biologically, but (imo) the size of slavic immigration had to be noticeable in the territories of ex-Jugoslavia : if it's true that mixed eyes and light eyes summed togheter constitute 60-70% of ethnic Croatians (for example).

It seems the Slavs did bring a strong recessive strain here, but these traits you've mentioned don't necessarily have to be Slavic, as I don't believe the indigenous paleobalkanic populations were homogeneous and there were also other non-Slavic influences (i.e. the Goths).


Some Croatian or Serbian here could comment on the pigmentation data i reported, according on his/hr own direct experience ?
That would be near to impossible, or at best very imprecise.

Hmmmm........i was thinking : why to underline that definition ? "southern Slav......"

If it's so.........why not western or southern Germanic ? or northern and southern romance ?
As far as I know, similar divisions do exist in other major IE groups of languages (Western-Eastern Romance, Northern-Western Germanic).

[Guapo]

:eek: of course they are not, it was just my one ineffectual try of trolling...

I am not sure, is this Balkanoid term suitable for Jugoslavs, at all. Balkan is big with various typology.

The term "Balkanoid" was invented as a joke by some moron on an old Pan-European forum years ago where he would classify most people as resembling a Balkan person hence "Balkanoid".

[Hussar]

There exists an ethnic as well as linguistic continuum in this part of Europe. It's not like the people all of a sudden become completely different when you cross the border.


Yes, but the gap is strong enough to justify the existence of different ethnicities : Serbs, Croat, etc.


Note : From this point of view.....then Italy too should be divided in several different states. The linguistic differences (dialects) between different part of Italy are almost equivalent to those existing between different parts of ex Jugoslavia.





It seems the Slavs did bring a strong recessive strain here, but these traits you've mentioned don't necessarily have to be Slavic, as I don't believe the indigenous paleobalkanic populations were homogeneous and there were also other non-Slavic influences (i.e. the Goths).



This is the MOST interesting thing you said : even an anthropologist like BIASUTTI (and Lebzelter if i rember well), wonderd if the high amount of fair pigmentations in the Jugolavian are the result of the Slavic invasion from north-east or (usual thesis) or maybe it's just a trait of Balkanian natives ;

[Monolith]

Yes, but the gap is strong enough to justify the existence of different ethnicities : Serbs, Croat, etc.

Well, the existence of the ethnicities here is mainly due to cultural and historical factors, not biological ones.


Note : From this point of view.....then Italy too should be divided in several different states. The linguistic differences (dialects) between different part of Italy are almost equivalent to those existing between different parts of ex Jugoslavia.

But you Italians share a common identity, religion and culture, don't you?


This is the MOST interesting thing you said : even an anthropologist like BIASUTTI (and Lebzelter if i rember well), wonderd if the high amount of fair pigmentations in the Jugolavian are the result of the Slavic invasion from north-east or (usual thesis) or maybe it's just a trait of Balkanian natives ;
I have given it some though some time ago, when I was in Western Herzegovina. According to Y-DNA studies, it should be a heartland of Slavicised paleobalkanic population, but many people I saw there were fair haired or light eyed (mostly Norid individuals, I believe). Of course, the majority were tall brown-haired Dinarids.

[Bari]

There is no such thing as a balkanoid type. There are different types all over Balkan, and variety within each country of sub-races and pigmentation. It seems to me that the western stereotype of balkanian looking are the extreme/dark/alien looking individuals that stick the most out in a western crowd. Like is there are Balkanian type that is equally common in for example both Slovenia and Bulgaria?
As well i know there are gipsy immigrants claiming to be natives of various Balkan countries, which then again enforce the stereotype of dodgy looking Balkanians i guess.

Is there a northern European type? I thought there were several different types in Northern Europe as well. Differing in pigmentation, facial traits and body structure.

[Bari]

Yes i think there is a Balkanoid type and i was posting two example photos yesterday.:icon_yes: It has to do with the eyes and face of them what make them look Balkanoid you know?!! Croats and Slovenians have not so strong Balkanoid traits but the more Southern people have.

Here examples

http://diepresse.com/images/uploads/e/8/6/355974/kos20080117092938.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R8RQGQYq0hI/AAAAAAAALlI/2GG0j8hDNLY/s400/serb3.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2008/0802/kosovo_rally_0222.jpg
http://www.warchat.org/pictures/bosnian-serbs-siege.jpg

And a video game where the character is a Serb with typical Balkanoid trait :rolleyes:

http://estb.msn.com/i/69/EA11680506FBEBE1243A3E1B92CF.jpg


- Have you ever been to the Balkans? How many people from the Balkans do you know? It appears to me that you are talking out of your ass again. There are Balkan traits all over the Balkan peninsula, although there is variation by each country. Your "classification" determing balkan eyes and face is hilarious, you reveal your lack of knowledge and thus you should not spew your ignorance enforced stereotypes in the first place, but i guess its asking too much.
All Balkanian nations look identical to you?

Are you just pretending or are you for real?

[Osweo]

More Romanians
http://ivayloslavkov.log.bg/article.php?article_id=10073
Disgustingly tacky webpage, but the comment interested me:
В Букурещ съм виждал едни от най-хубавите жени в живота си. И за разлика от нашенките не се надуват и имат чар, а не натруфена чалгарщина!!
What's that?
In Buchuresti I saw some of the most ?stunning? women in this world. And in distinction to ours, they ?breathe? and have ?charm?, not ???? ????
So what's wrong with his own Bulgarki? :D

Nevertheless, they have absorbed numerous Slavs in their ethnic corpus, namely the ones they encountered when they conquered the Balaton principality, and also many Croats, Serbs and other Slavs that fled before the Ottoman onslaught.
Probably the slave raids of the very earliest Pannonia-based Magyars are responsible for the most of it. There's more West-Central-European there though, I'd say, from looking at the ones I've come across.

[Inese]

- Have you ever been to the Balkans? How many people from the Balkans do you know? It appears to me that you are talking out of your ass again.
I am not and when you come to Central Europe you can spot people from the Balkan out of the normal population very easy by the look of them!! And with Russian people it is the same. How often was you in Central and Northern Europe please?? :rolleyes2: You know, you live around Balkanoid people ---- you dont see the forest because of the trees. People from Bulgaria or Serbia or Romania look different , many have something which is looking foreign to the Northern eye. And that is what i call "Balkanoid" okay? :coffee:
Your "classification" determing balkan eyes and face is hilarious, you reveal your lack of knowledge and thus you should not spew your ignorance enforced stereotypes in the first place, but i guess its asking too much.
:haw I know what i see and i know that not everyone from the Balkan has the stereotype Balkanoid look but many people have!! Hm and i ask you how do you want to know how a Northern European sees Balkan people when you are from the Balkan yourself?? It is impossible for you! I tell you there is something in the looks of people from the Balkan and many Northern or Central European people can see it!! Believe me or not it does not matter to me, i know that you like to anger me.

[Hussar]

But you Italians share a common identity, religion and culture, don't you?



No.

This is a big problem. I see that even peoples who live in bordering nations (like you) believe the official lies supported by Italian government.

Well.......Italy (or better the Italian national state born as "Kingdom of Italy"), was founded as unitary nation. Officially. Factually isn't so. unitarism has been emphatized as a powerfull instruments to avoid any kind of separatism (as it happened in U.K ith Scotland or Catalunya in SPAIN, or Ex-Jugoslavian republics), but Italy geo-cultural spectrum is differentiated enough to justify the existence of 3/4 different nations theoretically.

Italian unity (in 1861) was an event led by a dominant state : Kingdom of Savoy (piedmont) ; non-officially it was the heart and head of the Italian state, exactly like Serbia was the eart/head of Jugoslavian state.


although that a basic consciousness of the internal cultural difference is still alive. Just in my region the "LEAGUE" (tendentially separatist party) has about 20% of popular vote. And in Veneto (boredring to Slovenia) it reaches 1/3 of votes (30-35%).

Maybe nt much for your standards (i guess 70% of Croats were favourable to the separation from Serbia), but it's ALOT for a country like Italy that is officially homogeneous.



I have given it some though some time ago, when I was in Western Herzegovina. According to Y-DNA studies, it should be a heartland of Slavicised paleobalkanic population, but many people I saw there were fair haired or light eyed (mostly Norid individuals, I believe). Of course, the majority were tall brown-haired Dinarids.

very interesting.

MONTENEGRO........was found to be 60-70% light or intermediate eyes. And for sure it hadn't any biological influence from slavic invaders.

[Bari]

I am not and when you come to Central Europe you can spot people from the Balkan out of the normal population very easy by the look of them!! And with Russian people it is the same. How often was you in Central and Northern Europe please?? :rolleyes2: You know, you live around Balkanoid people ---- you dont see the forest because of the trees. People from Bulgaria or Serbia or Romania look different , many have something which is looking foreign to the Northern eye. And that is what i call "Balkanoid" okay? :coffee:
:haw I know what i see and i know that not everyone from the Balkan has the stereotype Balkanoid look but many people have!! Hm and i ask you how do you want to know how a Northern European sees Balkan people when you are from the Balkan yourself?? It is impossible for you! I tell you there is something in the looks of people from the Balkan and many Northern or Central European people can see that. Believe me or not it does not matter to me, i know that you like to anger me.

- I don't see the forest because of the trees? Are you high? I happen to live in Northern Europe currently, and i have made some observations about northern Europeans:) Yes, many Balkanians have something that look foreign i guess, different pigmentation and sub-races. But can we agree upon then that there are several balkanian types, not just one distinctive look? Then we can agree:)

Okay, its impossible for me, only a nordic like yourself could be able to do such splendid observations;)

I see, very little seem to be matter to you. Still you take the time to post.
You happen to post ridicilous statements about Southern Europe/Balkans and its actually you who are provoking me(if we are to place guilt). Do you actually think i enjoy reading your hysterical ignorance? The moment you stop writing lies about "swarths" the very moment i will let you be alone, but as long as your campaign of mouth-diarrhea continiues towards southern Europe i feel obliged to respond:)

[Inese]

- I don't see the forest because of the trees? Are you high? I happen to live in Northern Europe currently, and i have made some observations about northern Europeans:) Yes, many Balkanians have something that look foreign i guess, different pigmentation and sub-races. But can we agree upon then that there are several balkanian types, not just one distinctive look? Then we can agree:)
The first sentence is a saying!! :rolleyes: And you agree that people from the Balkan countrys have something that look foreign to Central or Northern eyes , i ask where is your problem??:mad: I was reading a little bit and i think it is the pontid or dinarid look, i dont know the exact words but you know , i dont need to be a scientist to see with my own eyes that something is different. And they often have a other style of behaviour also!!

And i say nothing to the rest of your posting --- it is :blah: and i have not the mood for a argument with a unfriendly and vulgarly Albanian!! Try to anger other people with stupid insults like mouth-diarrhea :baby2000:

[Goidelic]

The Balkans has a wide variety of looks more so than any other place in Southern Europe. Southwest Europe f.e. Spain & Portugal are much more Mediterranean looking. The Balkans ranges from Mediterranean subtypes, Nordish subtypes, & typical Dinaric ones. We find rare results in both the Northern & Southern hemispheres but it doesn't represent the people as a whole. The real question is would you accept an indigenous Northern European with a "Southern" Medish phenotype as your own countryman?

Rasmussen looks a bit Southern:

http://www.topnews.in/files/DanishPM.jpg

Whereas Tare looks a bit Northern:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Igli_Tare.JPG

[Bari]

The first sentence is a saying!! :rolleyes: And you agree that people from the Balkan countrys have something that look foreign to Central or Northern eyes , i ask where is your problem??:mad: I was reading a little bit and i think it is the pontid or dinarid look, i dont know the exact words but you know , i dont need to be a scientist to see with my own eyes that something is different

And i say nothing to the rest of your posting --- it is :blah: and i have not the mood for a argument with a unfriendly and vulgarly Albanian!! Try to anger other people with stupid insults like mouth-diarrhea :baby2000:

- Impressive saying. Made by yourself? Well, no one has ever said that Balkanians look just like northern or central Europeans. We are southern Europeans, being darker on average and different looking phenotypes in facial structure. But there is not a balkan type that is same for all of Balkan. As i sad there are many different types. There is not just one type of eyes, noses, facial structure, body structure,...do you understand?:)

The rest of my posting was a response to you accusing me of enjoying making you angry. Unfriendly? I am just pointing out your ignorance and lack of knowledge, you are not able to handle constructive critisism? Well, i don't try to anger you, i thought it was a fitting description. I don't wanna anger people, you just happen to annoy me by parading your ignorance in threads about southern Europe or Balkan:)

Why don't you do some posts about the Baltics/Latvia/Northern Europe, make threads about history, culture, show unique looks of northern Europe,...all this is possible withouth insulting swarths!;) I assume this is the region you have the greatest amount of knowledge about?

[The Lawspeaker]

Impressive saying. Made by yourself?Nope. I don't know for German but in Dutch it is " door de bomen het bos niet meer zien" (which means that one has lost the oversight of the situation because the essence has gone lost)- in English it seems to exist as well: one can't see the forest for it's trees.

[Absinthe]

We have the exact same saying also in Greek - how weird is that?! :icon_ask:

[Svarog]

you dont see the forest because of the trees

:lol00002:

[Osweo]

We have the exact same saying also in Greek - how weird is that?! :icon_ask:

I notice this sort of thing a lot in Russia. Though not this particular saying.

There are several explanations;

Common inheritance from our common PIE tongue.

Later transmission, but still in pretty ancient times. Aesop's Fables are a source for many of them. But of course Aesop himself drew on old folk tradition that was nigh on universal.

Modern adoption, by which I mean the Baroque/Enlightenment era. Many of these phrases might be thought to come from Courtly French, or at least that's a guess that I'm willing to hazard. I blame this for many Russian examples.

[Absinthe]

:lol00002:
That was inaccurately stated, in the Greek version it's something like

"you're looking at one tree and missing the forest"

meaning that too much focusing on a single detail will make you miss the essence of a situation.

[Guapo]

MONTENEGRO........was found to be 60-70% light or intermediate eyes. And for sure it hadn't any biological influence from slavic invaders.

The funny thing is blond hair and light eyes were around way before any Slav or German. I don't see how genotypes have anything to do with hair and eye color either. Also, Haplogroup I is not of the Goths, Haplogroup R1a is not of the Slavs and Haplogroup R1b is not of the Illyrians etc. , typical reductionist garbage. The problem is with people and their stereotypes that Blond hair equals being Slavic or Germanic. Majority of Germans aren't blond either. Jan Czekanowski is the only outsider that was remotely close to classifying the Balkan Slavs out of all the physical anthropologists.

[Tabiti]

Northern Europeans also look "foreign" here. Is that an insult? :D

[Austrvegr]

I notice this sort of thing a lot in Russia. Though not this particular saying.

We have this particular saying.

[Tony]

That was inaccurately stated, in the Greek version it's something like

"you're looking at one tree and missing the forest"

meaning that too much focusing on a single detail will make you miss the essence of a situation.
Or like the fish who can't realize it's in the water untill a fisherman catch it out...
sometimes one has to "extraniate" himself to get the bigger picture of the situation.

[Monolith]

This is a big problem. I see that even peoples who live in bordering nations (like you) believe the official lies supported by Italian government.
I guess everyone knows there are separate identities inside Italy, but most people either don't know or don't care how big the differences are.


Well.......Italy (or better the Italian national state born as "Kingdom of Italy"), was founded as unitary nation. Officially. Factually isn't so. unitarism has been emphatized as a powerfull instruments to avoid any kind of separatism (as it happened in U.K ith Scotland or Catalunya in SPAIN, or Ex-Jugoslavian republics), but Italy geo-cultural spectrum is differentiated enough to justify the existence of 3/4 different nations theoretically.
With one important difference. You people have a common religion, much like the Spaniards, something that is absent around here.


Maybe nt much for your standards (i guess 70% of Croats were favourable to the separation from Serbia), but it's ALOT for a country like Italy that is officially homogeneous.

It was a separation from Yugoslavia, albeit with the Serbs as a dominant ethnicity. And it was much more than 70% (94% if I'm not mistaken).


Rasmussen looks a bit Southern:

http://www.topnews.in/files/DanishPM.jpg

Not really, his mandible is way too robust. He would certainly stand out from a crowd here.


Whereas Tare looks a bit Northern:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Igli_Tare.JPG
He looks German to me. :mmmm:

The funny thing is blond hair and light eyes were around way before any Slav or German. I don't see how genotypes have anything to do with hair and eye color either. Also, Haplogroup I is not of the Goths, Haplogroup R1a is not of the Slavs and Haplogroup R1b is not of the Illyrians etc. , typical reductionist garbage. The problem is with people and their stereotypes that Blond hair equals being Slavic or Germanic. Majority of Germans aren't blond either. Jan Czekanowski is the only outsider that was remotely close to classifying the Balkan Slavs out of all the physical anthropologists.
Indeed, there's nothing intrinsically Slavic in R1a, nor in other haplogroups. However, I believe it is reasonable assume the bulk of it is here because of the Slavs, like the Y-DNA studies would suggest.

[Bari]

He looks German to me. :mmmm:


- He is from Vlorë in Southern Albania. Types like him are quite rare, blond and fair haired types are not that uncommon, although the facial structure is not nordic. Many look basically like depigmented meds/dinaric/alpine. More like this:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7669/67876.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1111/alb1j.jpg
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1443/rifatberisha.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6215/2288028390dee36da1f1b.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8734/bekimkumanova.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5716/gericipijp8.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3851/bp11.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3463/nikollanemajetebjeshkev.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/168/vajzatekuqesized.jpg


Although Tare would surprise me a bit if i didnt know him and he told me he was Albanian, theese individuals wouldn't really amaze me if they said they are Albanian.

Pigmentation and such is not really a issue for determing how Albanian you are as far as i have noticed. Majority having darker traits, but also a sizeable minority of fairer complexioned individuals. Its not a big deal in everyday life. I would estimate the number of blond individuals as being as common as dark individuals in Scandinavia.

[Hussar]

I'm going to think that Balkanoids don't look neither southeuropid neiter northeuopid.


They would deserve their own category.

[Amarantine]

I'm going to think that Balkanoids don't look neither southeuropid neiter northeuopid.


They would deserve their own category.

well...I told you...:coffee:

[Amarantine]

Well, the existence of the ethnicities here is mainly due to cultural and historical factors, not biological ones.

But you Italians share a common identity, religion and culture, don't you?



what do you want to say, that we (ex Jugoslavs) here don't share the same religion, culture, language etc...? what is even worst (especially for the rest of Europe:D) we share EXACT the same MENTALITY.:rolleyes2:

[Monolith]

what do you want to say, that we (ex Jugoslavs) here don't share the same religion,
Exactly. There are Catholic, Orthodox and Muslim south Slavs.


culture,

There's not much to argue here. Each nation has its culture.

language etc...?

Well, there's a dialect continuum from Slovene/Austrian border which stretches all the way to Black Sea, so it's extremely hard to say when one language stops and the another begins. However, by sociolinguistic criteria, the existence of separate languages here is beyond any doubt.


what is even worst (especially for the rest of Europe:D) we share EXACT the same MENTALITY.:rolleyes2:
I have to admit I had a good laugh when I read this sentence. :D
Naturally, there are similarities which are mainly a result of the Ottoman presence here, so it is logical that we have certain traits in common. However, it's a logical fallacy to say that we share exactly the same mentality, as mine differs from yours, from that of a Serbian from Kosovo, or for example from the mentality of Croats in Slavonia, Dalmatia or Istria.

[Guapo]

Our mentality is fine, we are the most hospitable folk in Europe for one. The only detrimental aspect is the urge to kill each other every 50 years or so.

[Mesrine]

Our mentality is fine, we are the most hospitable folk in Europe for one. The only detrimental aspect is the urge to kill each other every 50 years or so.

Please put a disclaimer each time it happens, so we don't go here for holidays, mmkay? :D

[Amarantine]

Please put a disclaimer each time it happens, so we don't go here for holidays, mmkay? :D

wrong address, for such actions we usually had strong support from our "historic friends"...and they usually had precise plans about such "events".

[Radojica]

wrong address, for such actions we usually had strong support from our "historic friends"...and they usually had precise plans about such "events".

As you said to me once, Serbia can sleep calmly now, i am on the watch

:thumbs up :cool:

[Mesrine]

As you said to me once, Serbia can sleep calmly now, i am on the watch

:thumbs up :cool:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1011/1129846509_5e818a0622.jpg?v=0

[Guapo]

I'm going to think that Balkanoids don't look neither southeuropid neiter northeuopid.

I can't speak for Albanians or Greeks but Serbs and Croats belong with the "easteuropids", especially Ukrainians. Case closed.

[Goidelic]

I can't speak for Albanians or Greeks but Serbs and Croats belong with the "easteuropids", especially Ukrainians. Case closed.

I agree the South Slavs seem to be have a "Slavicised Dinarid/Danubian element" in them that makes them look different than Greeks or Albanians which tend to look more Mediterranean/Dinarid on average, but there are some Greeks & Albanians which wouldn't look out of place in the South Slav nations - Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, Bulgaria or Bosnia.

[Monolith]

I agree the South Slavs seem to be have a "Slavicised Dinarid/Danubian element" in them that makes them look different than Greeks or Albanians which tend to look more Mediterranean/Dinarid on average, but there are some Greeks & Albanians which wouldn't look out of place in the South Slav nations - Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, Bulgaria or Bosnia.
That's not too unusual considering that almost the entire Greece was Slavicised at one point, with the exception of islands and major coastal cities.

[Amarantine]

Ok Monolith, if u want that badly, ok yes we are soooo different, soooo, sooooooo, and sooooooooooHappy now:P ?

[Monolith]

Damn it, woman! :D Do you really don't understand what I'm arguing for, or you're just trolling? I don't know, you Montenegrins are so alien to me :P :cool:

Seriously now, even my lingo and part of folklore somewhat differs from that of the people residing on a neighboring hill. Like I said, South Slavs indeed share much, but we all have our peculiarities that make us who we are.

You should come to Zagreb sometimes, to see just how different we are. ;)

[Manifest Destiny]

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/da.jpg

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/dsef.jpg


:thumbs up

[Amarantine]

Damn it, woman! :D Do you really don't understand what I'm arguing for, or you're just trolling? I don't know, you Montenegrins are so alien to me :P :cool:

Seriously now, even my lingo and part of folklore somewhat differs from that of the people residing on a neighboring hill. Like I said, South Slavs indeed share much, but we all have our peculiarities that make us who we are.

You should come to Zagreb sometimes, to see just how different we are. ;)

I don't know what this post mean, come to Zagreb to see...1. In my life I met a lot of foreigners, but just Montenegrins, Croats and Serbs could drive me crazy...and make me angry:P (don't worry, you are my candy;))2. Except you are Catholics, could you exactly say what is so different, skin color? Stubborning? Weird sence of humor? Passion-in one moment we love each other in another we hate, and again we love and all the time like that...3. Just Macedonians are different and only in physical anthropology, mentality is the same again. And Slovenians, ok they are different partialy, hm (believe me just partially in some matters they are absolutly the same as the others, I'm talking about mentality).4. And even Bosanci (not Bosniaks) have much beter nature from the rest of ex Yu. But physic appereance is the same.5. So, what is conclusion...oh yes, language, you THINK we have different languages...hm hm...I wonder how happened that I am such bih polyglot?!Question> could you tell me the major difference between one average Montenegrin and one average Hertzegovatz and average Dalmatian?

[Monolith]

I don't know what this post mean, come to Zagreb to see...
...to see how people look like, speak and behave. I don't suppose you believe we in Zagreb look like Montenegrins? :)


2. Except you are Catholics, could you exactly say what is so different, skin color? Stubborning? Weird sence of humor?
Folklore, dialects, differences in mentality (please tell me you don't actually think that i.e. Istrian Croats and Serbs from Kosovo have the same mentality :confused:), differences in appearance (the same example), ethnic identity and, like you said, religious affiliation. I hope you do understand that I'm not arguing that we're like Eskimos and Arabs, but I'm against generalizations, which is something that can't be said about you. ;)


Passion-in one moment we love each other in another we hate, and again we love and all the time like that...

That's interesting, and no sarcasm meant. However, I haven't noticed such behavior here, honestly.


3. Just Macedonians are different and only in physical anthropology, mentality is the same again. And Slovenians, ok they are different partialy, hm (believe me just partially in some matters they are absolutly the same as the others, I'm talking about mentality).

I wouldn't know about the Macedonians, since I've met only a handful of them, but I can only disagree about the Slovenes. They seem to be much more down to earth than their southern neighbors. I guess that's due to historic cultural influence of neighboring countries, mostly Austria.


4. And even Bosanci (not Bosniaks) have much beter nature from the rest of ex Yu.
Hmmmmm. Define "better nature".


But physic appereance is the same.
The same as who?


5. So, what is conclusion...oh yes, language, you THINK we have different languages...hm hm...I wonder how happened that I am such bih polyglot?!
Exactly. I think, I perceive. I have already said there's a dialect continuum here, and the only way to put a more or less reliable "border" between languages is to use a sociocultural boundary. In other words, you can't speak for ten seconds without people around you noticing which language you speak, since they can tell it apart from those dialects they accept as their own. That's the sociolinguistic criterion.


Question> could you tell me the major difference between one average Montenegrin and one average Hertzegovatz and average Dalmatian?
Major difference? It depends on how you define "major". I guess the average Dalmatian is a chakavian/stokavian ikavian speaker, a Catholic Christian that adheres to his local culture. The average Herzegovinian would be pretty much the same, with the exception of chakavian speech, and the average Montenegrin would be a stokavian ijekavian speaker and an Orthodox Christan.

[Amarantine]

...
Major difference? It depends on how you define "major". I guess the average Dalmatian is a chakavian/stokavian ikavian speaker, a Catholic Christian that adheres to his local culture. The average Herzegovinian would be pretty much the same, with the exception of chakavian speech, and the average Montenegrin would be a stokavian ijekavian speaker and an Orthodox Christan.

I am quite lazy to answer upper, but what you post as a proof of difference is just linguist-cultural apsects, I am talking about physical phenotype. Please, teach me then how to recognized average Croat from the average Serb?!

[Radojica]

I am quite lazy to answer upper, but what you post as a proof of difference is just linguist-cultural apsects, I am talkinh about physical phenotype. Please, teach me then how to recognized average Croat from the average Serb?!

http://i33.tinypic.com/35ku6ao.jpg

Serbs would never do that :coffee:

[Amarantine]

http://i33.tinypic.com/35ku6ao.jpg

Serbs would never do that :coffee:

Koje? Mislis pustali dlacice po stomaku? :P :wink

Which one? You think let hair to grow on their stomachs?

[Radojica]

Koje? Mislis pustali dlacice po stomaku? :P :wink

Which one? You think let hair to grow on their stomachs?

Yes, exactly that :pippi

[Monolith]

I am quite lazy to answer upper, but what you post as a proof of difference is just linguist-cultural apsects, I am talking about physical phenotype. Please, teach me then how to recognized average Croat from the average Serb?!
Thing is, there's no such thing as an "average Croat/Serb/etc". How can you tell apart a Bulgarian from a Serb? Or a Serb from an Albanian/Romanian/Hungarian/Ukrainian? They all share a degree of common phenotypes.

http://i33.tinypic.com/35ku6ao.jpg

Serbs would never do that :coffee:
I suspect they are all Albanians.

[Poltergeist]

Thing is, there's no such thing as an "average Croat/Serb/etc". How can you tell apart a Bulgarian from a Serb? Or a Serb from an Albanian/Romanian/Hungarian/Ukrainian? They all share a degree of common phenotypes.

The truth is that there are Dinarics among Serbs and Croats. There are also Alpinids among Serbs and Croats etc. But there are also Dinarics among Slovenians, (some) Northwestern Italians, Romanians, Greeks, Albainians Bulgarians etc. Dividing lines among racial sub-types do not coincide with fault lines between nations and languages. If one can say that there exists something like dividing lines among something so elusive and vague like the racial sub-types, at all.

[Hussar]

The truth is that there are Dinarics among Serbs and Croats. There are also Alpinids among Serbs and Croats etc. But there are also Dinarics among Slovenians, (some) Northwestern Italians....


Me in the avatar ;)

[Crimson Guard]

I never came across anything called "Balkanoid" in an anthrobook. All the authors refer to types found there as Mediterranean, Dinaric, Pontic, Nordic, Alpine, East Alpine, Borreby, East-Baltic, Turnanid to even Uralic.

Coon gave these examples of 'Carpathian and Balkan Borreby-like Types '

Evidence of the survival of an extremely tall, brachycephalized, Upper Palaeolithic stock is found to a lesser extent in the Carpathians; and to a greater, in the nucleus of the Dinaric Alpine region, from Bosnia to northern Albania, and centered in Montenegro. Although the presence of these nuclei cannot now be fully explained, it seems probable that they represent local survivals and reëmergences of relatively unreduced Upper Palaeolithic populations. The Montenegrins are the tallest people in Europe; their tallness does not, however, imply a thin or linear build; their bodies are frequently thick-set, lateral in constitutional type.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/1-2.jpg
A Carpatho-Russian, or Ruthenian, from the Polish Carpathians. His tall stature, heavy bony structure, large face, etc., point to a basic relationship with the unreduced Upper Palaeolithic survivors of the northwest.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/2-1.jpg
A Montenegrin of aristocratic lineage; in the main an oversized, Upper Palaeolithic survivor, but brunet in pigmentation, like many of the Serbs to whom the Montenegrins are closely related, and who do not, as a rule, possess the over-sized characters of their mountain kinsmen.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/3.jpg
A blond Montenegrin with extreme width of the cranial vault and mandible.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/4.jpg
An Albanian from Malsia ë Madhë, near the Montenegrin border.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/5.jpg
An Albanian from the clan of Shoshi in the isolated mountain tribe of Dukagin. This man is a blond giant with a broad, heavy-boned body; his face is shorter than the width of his mandible. The unreduced Upper Palaeolithic character of the local mountain type is clearly seen in this individual.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/6.jpg
A tall, portly man from Malsia ë Madhë; his facial features show an approach to those of the smaller, less rugged form of the Alpine race, which is particularly strong in southern Albania.

http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/p-08.htm

Biasutti has this example:

6. Baltic (East Baltic)

Ivory-white skin, straight fine hair, from chestnut to blond, predominantly light eyes; medium stature (165), sturdy body build; rather short skull (82) and high; short nose with concave spine and elevated tip, slightly dilated nostrils (66), wide angular face, pronounced cheeks, wide chin. (Ukrainians from Volhynia, H. PÖCH).

Subraces: Preslavic, Carpathian.

Examples: Baltic (Ukrainian from Volhynia, after PÖCH), Carpathian (Ukrainian from Volhynia, after PÖCH)

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/baltic2.jpg
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/carpathian2.jpg

[Monolith]

The truth is that there are Dinarics among Serbs and Croats. There are also Alpinids among Serbs and Croats etc. But there are also Dinarics among Slovenians, (some) Northwestern Italians, Romanians, Greeks, Albainians Bulgarians etc. Dividing lines among racial sub-types do not coincide with fault lines between nations and languages. If one can say that there exists something like dividing lines among something so elusive and vague like the racial sub-types, at all.
Sure, try explaining that to miss Montenegro. :D

Me in the avatar ;)
So you're Italian now? :P

[Hussar]

Sure, try explaining that to miss Montenegro. :D

So you're Italian now? :P


Do read bettr, please ;)



But there are also Dinarics among Slovenians, (some) Northwestern Italians

[Poltergeist]

It was an unintentional mistake, I wanted to say: northeastern Italians.

[Guapo]

http://www.wavemagazine.net/arhiva/02/sport/odbojka1.jpg

[Osweo]

http://www.wavemagazine.net/arhiva/02/sport/odbojka1.jpg

Wow... No. 6... :yumyum: Please tell me you can arrange an introduction...

[Mortimer]

Predominantly Dinaric (in Yugoslavia, Albania and Romania), East Medittaranean in Greece and Pontid in Bulgaria.

[Monolith]

Predominantly Dinaric (in Yugoslavia, Albania and Romania), East Medittaranean in Greece and Pontid in Bulgaria.
Which is where? :D

[Svarog]

Wow... No. 6... :yumyum: Please tell me you can arrange an introduction...

She is from Petrovgrad which is only an hour drive from here, if you're up to an adventure - we can try :cool:

oh.. she is also like 3 meters tall :p

[Monolith]

http://www.wavemagazine.net/arhiva/02/sport/odbojka1.jpg
Since we're bragging.. ;)

http://www.tportal.hr/ResourceManager/GetImage.aspx?imgId=30955&fmtId=20

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8246/89201237031201236109290.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8986/61721183385340123109290.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5383/89201237030121209109290.jpg

[Osweo]

She is from Petrovgrad which is only an hour drive from here, if you're up to an adventure - we can try :cool:
:cheers:
Как ее имя?
Such good strong healthy limbs...

oh.. she is also like 3 meters tall :p
That's good... :naughty: I like climbing...

I'm no midget myself, of course. And think of the children - Swarthy Giants!

[Svarog]

Since we're bragging.. ;)

http://www.tportal.hr/ResourceManager/GetImage.aspx?imgId=30955&fmtId=20

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8246/89201237031201236109290.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8986/61721183385340123109290.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5383/89201237030121209109290.jpg

Ah, no wonder female Volleyball has always been my favorite sport :thumbs up

[Osweo]

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8246/89201237031201236109290.jpg

What an unfortunate surname... I don't use that nasty American phrasal verb/verbal noun myself, but I would still not want to have to explain myself in an англоязычная страна... :p

[Jamt]

I know that the Balkans have impressive basket teams and I have personally known a few Serb giant gangsters. Is there gigantism gen in the Balkan population or something?

[Mesrine]

:cheers:
Как ее имя?
Such good strong healthy limbs...

Here you go. This picture never gets old.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2h5sbqg.jpg

[Monolith]

:cheers:
Как ее имя?

Her name is Jovana Brakočević, and my God, she is a giant. :D

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1786/jovanabrakocevicmp4.jpg

I know that the Balkans have impressive basket teams and I have personally known a few Serb giant gangsters. Is there gigantism gen in the Balkan population or something?
It would appear that way. The Dinaric-looking people here are quite tall, so it seems that the indigenous strain is the source for the giant syndrome. ;)

What an unfortunate surname... I don't use that nasty American phrasal verb/verbal noun myself, but I would still not want to have to explain myself in an англоязычная страна... :p
Haha, add an 'ić' to her surname and all the problems suddenly disappear. And that's why we use this particular ending in our patronymic last names. :p

[Svarog]

It would appear that way. The Dinaric-looking people here are quite tall, so it seems that the indigenous strain is the source for the giant syndrome. ;)


I am around 180cm and am considered a midget around my friends..

[Guapo]

Her name is Jovana Brakočević, and my God, she is a giant. :D

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1786/jovanabrakocevicmp4.jpg

It would appear that way. The Dinaric-looking people here are quite tall, so it seems that the indigenous strain is the source for the giant syndrome. ;)


She's extremely tall, softer features, Cromagnoid-Dinarid/Med. I'd say Dormitor type(Montenegro/Herzegovina).

[Mortimer]

Which is where? :D

Former Yugoslavia of course but Slovenia is a little bit different, there is more alpine and noric influences

[Amarantine]

@Monolith-this subject is boring to me...I spent all my energy long time ago on hbf anf af considering Yugoslav subject. Now, I want to enjoy in some other readings...

Btw, phenotypes are quite limited on this planet.

[Monolith]

I am around 180cm and am considered a midget around my friends..
I'm about the same height (like 182cm or something) and I'm considered to be medium-tall. I think that's pretty much mean male height in Croatia. However, my Dalmatian friends are often taller than me.

@Monolith-this subject is boring to me...I spent all my energy long time ago on hbf anf af considering Yugoslav subject. Now, I want to enjoy in some other readings...
ok. you're still my favourite Montenegrin though :love:

[Radojica]

Definicija i opis pojma Domaci forumi po Vujakliji


Domaci forumi

Diskusija nije moguca. Nevezano za temu i podforum, uglavnom svetlosnom brzinom, jedan ispod drugog, redjaju se slicni upisi:

(tema rukomet)

SrbinDoKoske (20:05) : Evo izjednaceni smo s Norvezanima, jos 20 minuta do kraja, sta mislite braco, jel mozemo dalje???

UstasaZG (20:06) : Mozete kurac

SrbinDoKoske (20:06) : Pusi kurac mamu ti jebem ustasku CCCC

GotovinaHeroj (20:07) : SRBE NA VRBE!

GeneralMladic (20:07) : Нема врба колко има СРБА!! Еј мати мати спремај салаte, биће меса клаћемо ХРВАТЕ!!!!

SRBIN (20:08) : TOOO BRACOOO, karaj ustase, pokatoliceni pederiiii

CrnaLegija74: (20:10 ) hahahaha....... e cuj ovog papka... pa karali smo vas pre 15 godina, hocete opet?

CrazySerb : KO JE KOGA KARO? PA DA VAM NIJE NATO I EVROPE POPUSILI BI KURAC ZA 2 DANA!!! NEMA VEZE BICE OPET SRPSKA RSK! SRBIJA DO TOKIJA!

ZalutaoNaForum : Uh.. dobro se drzimo za sada samo se bojim da ne pokleknemo na kraju, kao protiv Danske!


:laugh2:

[Amarantine]

Definicija i opis pojma Domaci forumi po Vujakliji



:laugh2:

Joj što volim ovaj naš sportski duh:wink

[Monolith]

Definicija i opis pojma Domaci forumi po Vujakliji

:laugh2:
LMAO. :D That's not far from the truth, if you ask me.

[Radojica]

Deset ljutih rakija, da ne bude zima,
jednu sam eksirao, sad ih devet ima.

Devet ljutih rakija, ja vec ne znam ko sam,
jednu popih da se setim, ostade ih osam.

Osam ljutih rakija, sad sve mutno gledam,
daj jednu da progledam, sad ih ima sedam.

Sedam ljutih rakija, polako gubim svest,
još jednu da se razbudim, sad ih ima šest.

Šest ljutih rakija, spreman sam za let,
ja ih vidim deset, al ih ima pet.

Pet ljutih rakija, na pola sam posla,
sad ih ima cetiri, a ja vidim osam.

Cetiri ljute rakije, sedim kao kip,
devet caša vidim, u stvari ih je tri.

Tri ljute rakije, spreman sam na sve,
gde nestade jedna?! Ostale su dve.

Dve ljute rakije, loza izvanredna,
dok sam na to mislio, nestade još jedna.

Popih i tu zadnju, pa pritisnuh reset,
uzeh flašu ponovo, pa ih opet deset...


hehe...

[Aramis]

My top 3 balkanoids:

1. Semir Cerić
http://static01.dernek.ba/dogadjaji-slike/14850-192796.jpg

2. Nenad Knežević
http://www.yumuzikabesplatna.com/images/stories/pevaci/K/nenad_knezevic_knez.jpg

3. Ante Bubalo
http://www.abload.de/img/dvd-antebubalo_resizefa1w.jpg

Btw, Kupio sam ženi auto, Ajmo u političare and Čuvaj ćeri grudi are my favorits.

[Pallantides]

2. Nenad Knežević
http://www.yumuzikabesplatna.com/images/stories/pevaci/K/nenad_knezevic_knez.jpg


He is like a more 'Eastern' looking version of the Sámi actor Mikkel Gaup. :eek:
http://www.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2008/11/30/1228074272459_737.jpg

[Guapo]

Hotttttt

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5854/gordanastojicevic.jpg
http://www.picvalley.net/u/2360/11660751423350095451266858864hiSI3eonN070IgRIG0YQ. JPG
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t237/SrpskiMuzickiForum/Muzicki%20izvodjaci%20-%20interpretatori/GordanaStojicevic1SMF.jpg

[hajduk]

random bulgarian untermenschen
http://imgload.info/files/bfi1267779995b.jpg
http://paper.standartnews.com/images/articles/orig_319313_bg.jpg
http://www.dnevnik.bg/shimg/zx450y250_721678.jpg

[Absinthe]

Teh archetypes of the Balkanian turbo-folk bimbo: :thumb001:

http://www.slava.bg/images/profils/16/desislava_s.jpg
http://bgpopfolk.free.fr/kamelia/kamelia_p23.jpg
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/2753111.jpg
http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php?uid=AAAAAQAQfTm8ohxMAW858zBi5Sk4RwAAAArnAD WXT8nRxtjtUOS-vzwh
http://www.xblog.gr/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/stella-mpezantakou.jpg
http://www.novinite.com/media/images/2006-09/69620.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/2r5entf.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/152gxlg.jpg
http://saharamusic.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/andea-2.jpg

Welcome to the Balkans, where the grass is smoked and the girls are slutty :D :thumb001:

[hajduk]

:D:D:D

[Radojica]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2r5entf.jpg
Welcome to the Balkans, where the grass is smoked and the girls are slutty :D :thumb001:

This is Ksenija Pajcin. Her boyfriend, Montenegrin watertolo player Kapisoda, killed her and then himself about a month ago :/

[Absinthe]

This is Ksenija Pajcin. Her boyfriend, Montenegrin watertolo player Kapisoda, killed her and then himself about a month ago :/
Oh, sorry...I didn't know :....

[Radojica]

Oh, sorry...I didn't know :....

Well, it's not your fault anyway :).

Gosh, we (Balkan males) are so jealous sometimes/most of the time :rolleyes2:

[Absinthe]

Gosh, we (Balkan males) are so jealous sometimes/most of the time :rolleyes2:

The World's Most Toxic Value System (http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/TOXICVAL.HTM)
(thanks, Ikki)

[Guapo]

Lots of girls here:

http://www.clubparada.com/home/photos/category/303-cp-serbian-easter-sunday-4-april-10--shark

[Aramis]

Im drunk as duck

http://static01.dernek.ba/grupe/galerija/1021207-3443-101191-Pelinkovac.jpg

[Radojica]

SAmo pjan, veceras nisi napuhan kao onaj mali zeka iz vica :D?

[Aramis]

SAmo pjan, veceras nisi napuhan kao onaj mali zeka iz vica :D?

Igrao sam pokera, igrao sam 15 eura.

[Aramis]

I don't even remember when I wrote those posts. :confused:

And what is this supposed to mean aynway?


Im drunk as duck


Igrao sam pokera, igrao sam 15 eura.

Drinking is bad.

[Monolith]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4989&stc=1&d=1276504965

[spearofperun]

I know that the Balkans have impressive basket teams and I have personally known a few Serb giant gangsters. Is there gigantism gen in the Balkan population or something?

there is a "gigantic" subrace of the balkans and this would be the balkan CMs a type most associated with Montenegrins though. and this is a dinaricissed cromagnoid. I believe someone had made this post about Coon's borreborry like type of the balkans. and he got it right that these people are usually both very tall but also very robust so not a lanky tall. And it does seem to be fairly common in the dinaric alps like in the mountains themselves. also this type would be the carrier of the I2a haplgroup or its true carrier. the only thing he got wrong here i think is that this type doesnt usually have light eyes or hair they are typically dark haired and eyed. if they were light haired and eyed then this would be a cromagnoid proper and they are found as well eg being ratko mladic, vidic the soccer player etc... So the only thing that shouldnt be confused is that there are cromagnoid proper individuals who are of south slavic descenant but this doesnt make them a balkan CM as this is a specific subrace.

[Saruman]

there is a "gigantic" subrace of the balkans and this would be the balkan CMs a type most associated with Montenegrins though. and this is a dinaricissed cromagnoid. I believe someone had made this post about Coon's borreborry like type of the balkans. and he got it right that these people are usually both very tall but also very robust so not a lanky tall. And it does seem to be fairly common in the dinaric alps like in the mountains themselves. also this type would be the carrier of the I2a haplgroup or its true carrier. the only thing he got wrong here i think is that this type doesnt usually have light eyes or hair they are typically dark haired and eyed. if they were light haired and eyed then this would be a cromagnoid proper and they are found as well eg being ratko mladic, vidic the soccer player etc... So the only thing that shouldnt be confused is that there are cromagnoid proper individuals who are of south slavic descenant but this doesnt make them a balkan CM as this is a specific subrace.

I'm of such type, and I'm not sure it's mostly present in Montenegro, but rather that it could be even more present in Western Herzegovina where there is center of I2a haplogroup, originally probably Cromagnoid. And usually they combine long Dinarid legs with a more robust trunk. They are usually of Norid/Dinarid-Cromagnoid/Borreby mix.

[spearofperun]

I'm of such type, and I'm not sure it's mostly present in Montenegro, but rather that it could be even more present in Western Herzegovina where there is center of I2a haplogroup, originally probably Cromagnoid. And usually they combine long Dinarid legs with a more robust trunk. They are usually of Norid/Dinarid-Cromagnoid/Borreby mix.

its all over the dinaric alps. so from herzegovina to montenegro. id also assume that I2a is very high like herzegovina amounts in montengro as well as theyre both parts of those mountains and it was in the mountains where I2a survived the most.

[Saruman]

its all over the dinaric alps. so from herzegovina to montenegro. id also assume that I2a is very high like herzegovina amounts in montengro as well as theyre both parts of those mountains and it was in the mountains where I2a survived the most.

I think if you want to see how original balkan CM's looked like, here's an example of known Bosnian singer, almost indistinguishable from Dalo-Faelid. And yes interestingly this Dinaro-CM type is usually only in mountains while Dinarids are more widespread than that.

http://img13.abload.de/img/f_halidbeslicm_69c6714w2yz.jpg

[Guapo]

I think if you want to see how original balkan CM's looked like, here's an example of known Bosnian singer, almost indistinguishable from Dalo-Faelid. And yes interestingly this Dinaro-CM type is usually only in mountains while Dinarids are more widespread than that.

http://img13.abload.de/img/f_halidbeslicm_69c6714w2yz.jpg

He doesn't look Dalo-Faelid and his eyes are kinda chinky, man.

[hajduk]

the old results in eupedia. We had 33 i2a but now we have only 20%? how come
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4955/2cz4x2f.jpg

[Saruman]

He doesn't look Dalo-Faelid and his eyes are kinda chinky, man.

Hmm, he is obviously CM of some sort. Eyes chinky?, no epicanthus, don't know, sometimes maybe such things appear in CM's, and especially Alpinids, hence for ex. some saying Himmler looked like an asian. In extreme Alpinids, and especially East-Baltids one can often find "pseudo-mongoloid" look, which in latter's case was even maybe Mongoloid or incipiently Mongoloid influenced.

More:
Here's West Herzegovina general,
http://static.nacional.hr/img/002522c1110debdfcc2c7ac5b2a63be1_700x550.jpg

http://feral.audiolinux.com/get_img?NrArticle=10551&NrImage=1

Another "Ero", fmr. Croatian defense minister

http://www.index.hr/images2/GojkoSusak-1995v.jpg

Borreby

Montenegrin singer

http://www.svetplus.com/images/tv/galerija/Boban%20Rajovic.jpg

Bosnian accordion player
http://sanela.info/ext/wp/sanela/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/Omer-Pobric.jpg

[Aramis]

He doesn't look Dalo-Faelid and his eyes are kinda chinky, man.

Here are some when he was younger

http://i41.tinypic.com/in964l.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2v8q3p3.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/21b7i84.jpg

Scary eyes.

[spearofperun]

you see problem is some of the people you posted are cromagnoid proper like the north euro variety so borreborry, bruenn, faelid etc.. whereas the balkan CM is its own thing a dinaricissed CM bu its that whole through deviation rather than mixture thing although i dont thin i can to furthe into that becasue i myself dont fully understand it or am not sure if i do

[Aramis]

you see problem is some of the people you posted are cromagnoid proper like the north euro variety so borreborry, bruenn, faelid etc.. whereas the balkan CM is its own thing a dinaricissed CM bu its that whole through deviation rather than mixture thing although i dont thin i can to furthe into that becasue i myself dont fully understand it or am not sure if i do

:D

I'll pay you 50 US dollars for this word!

[Saruman]

you see problem is some of the people you posted are cromagnoid proper like the north euro variety so borreborry, bruenn, faelid etc.. whereas the balkan CM is its own thing a dinaricissed CM bu its that whole through deviation rather than mixture thing although i dont thin i can to furthe into that becasue i myself dont fully understand it or am not sure if i do

Yes, it is deviation probably, I deliberately posted proper CM looking people, as that's how I2a carrying CM's looked like in ancient times. Especially those lighter pigmented.

Dinaro-CM looks like "Legija"
http://www.blic.rs/_customfiles/Image/slike/2009/02_februar/17/tema/legija-ver.jpg


Interestingly I noticed that among gangsters, politicians this Dinaro-CM type is quite present. You know some say that "Montenegrins run Serbia" while "Herzegovinians run Croatia".;)

[spearofperun]

Yes, it is deviation probably, I deliberately posted proper CM looking people, as that's how I2a carrying CM's looked like in ancient times. Especially those lighter pigmented.

Dinaro-CM looks like "Legija"
http://www.blic.rs/_customfiles/Image/slike/2009/02_februar/17/tema/legija-ver.jpg


Interestingly I noticed that among gangsters, politicians this Dinaro-CM type is quite present. You know some say that "Montenegrins run Serbia" while "Herzegovinians run Croatia".;)

yeah and arguably all of europe would of been CM in ancient times. politicians i havent really noticed that but id guess it might be. two top places i notice them is amoung long time military personal like generals higher ranking officers so people who have made that their career. as in most ex yugo countries military service is cumpolsory and hence normal recruits would be representative of the population. but higher ups who made it their career not so much. and the other place I notice it is amoung ganagsters as you had mentioned. so places that warrant toughness have a much higher CM individual % than the norm.

[Monolith]

its all over the dinaric alps. so from herzegovina to montenegro. id also assume that I2a is very high like herzegovina amounts in montengro as well as theyre both parts of those mountains and it was in the mountains where I2a survived the most.
It's by and large a pre-Slavic, indigenous paleobalkanic haplogroup.

[Guapo]

It's by and large a pre-Slavic, indigenous paleobalkanic haplogroup.

Inbreds! i.e. "they all look the same"

[Monolith]

Inbreds! i.e. "they all look the same"
LOL! :D They don't, though they are somewhat less heterogeneous than e.g. Slavonians.

[Tabiti]

the old results in eupedia. We had 33 i2a but now we have only 20%? how come
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4955/2cz4x2f.jpg
Actually, the tested people in Bulgaria are about 50, so there is no point to make any conclusions.

[Guapo]

Interestingly I noticed that among gangsters, politicians this Dinaro-CM type is quite present. You know some say that "Montenegrins run Serbia" while "Herzegovinians run Croatia".;)

Maybe it's time to send them back to their caves! They drink all teh booze and fuck all the wimminz. All politicians are lazy and they stink too so what you said makes sense, Sarmo.

[Monolith]

It's by and large a pre-Slavic, indigenous paleobalkanic haplogroup.
I have to correct myself here. It seems I2a is also present in modern day Ukraine, which was a source of Slavic migrations, so at least a part of I2a was brought here by the Slavic colonists.

[Hussar]

Ah, no wonder female Volleyball has always been my favorite sport :thumbs up

mine too ;)

Btw........the thread i opened many months ago didn't get the main point. Does really exist the so called "balkanoid type" ? Or it's another of thousands of stereotypes ?

I ask since i hard so many times the term "balkanoid" through the yrs, i'm tired now

[Hussar]

I have to correct myself here. It seems I2a is also present in modern day Ukraine, which was a source of Slavic migrations, so at least a part of I2a was brought here by the Slavic colonists.


Both local and foreign anthropologists estimated 60-65% of light eyes in Croaia : even if "light" is meant (obviously) in the widest sense , i'd say it's more a figure of central Europe than a souther one.

So......what rally means "balkanic" look ?

[Guapo]

Does really exist the so called "balkanoid type" ? Or it's another of thousands of stereotypes ?

Kinda. "balkanoid"= Dinarid

[Aramis]

Kinda. "balkanoid"= Dinarid

Dinarid-CM?

Or rather Med-CM.

[Hussar]

Kinda. "balkanoid"= Dinarid


If it's so, then the balkanoid sphere includes southern Germany and Austria and is extended to the heart of central Europe.

[Saruman]

It's not a good term (Turkish word unnecessary too), and also there are different types in the region, there are some significant differences between phenotypes, so there is no specific "balkanoid". But I guess many/most think "Dinarid" when they mention it.

[Guapo]

It's not a good term (Turkish word unnecessary too),

Well then what word should we use, Sarmo. Yugoid? (Croats won't like it cuz tehy got komplexes)

[Saruman]

Well then what word should we use, Sarmo. Yugoid? (Croats won't like it cuz tehy got komplexes)

Illyroid?:D

[Pallantides]

Where in the Balkans are Turanids most common?

[Guapo]

Where in the Balkans are Turanids most common?

The Banat. No joke :....

[Guapo]

Illyroid?:D

Maybe. The word has to encompass Greeks, albanians and Bulgarians too, not only Slavs.

[Aramis]

Awesome Super People, i.e. ASP

That's how we will call balkanoids from now on. Now keep quite.

[Radojica]

The Banat. No joke :....

:chin:??Southern, Middle, or Northern :swl? :P

[spearofperun]

Both local and foreign anthropologists estimated 60-65% of light eyes in Croaia : even if "light" is meant (obviously) in the widest sense , i'd say it's more a figure of central Europe than a souther one.

So......what rally means "balkanic" look ?

balkanic look is dinaric or dinaro something like dinaroalpine, dinaromed, dinaroborreby, dinaronordic (noric) etc... all are common balkan subtypes therefore balkanic and some of these are fairly unique or specific of the balkans

[spearofperun]

:chin:??Southern, Middle, or Northern :swl? :P

wherever mongolohunnics are found

[Guapo]

http://www.zap2it.com/media/photo/2009-07/48372119.jpg

[Rostislav]

.................

[Guapo]

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7576/bosanac1nbmn9.jpg

Typical Croatian girl I`d say.

[Aramis]

Sorry Rotislav, they all look east-slavic to me. Non-balkanic.

Not approved!

Here's a bunch of balkanoids:

http://www.medjimurje.hr/datoteke/imagecache/za_thickbox_1024max/clanci/ij%20hercegovci%203-18.jpg

http://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2010/08avg/2208/CG%20HERCEGOVCI.jpg

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7687/2009rujan218ercegovcina.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5179/dondolasi105lg7.jpg

[Rostislav]

Sorry Rotislav, they all look east-slavic to me. Non-balkanic.


How come ? :icon_redface::icon_ask:

[Aramis]

How come ? :icon_redface::icon_ask:

Not that I haven't seen such people here, but they are just not balkanoid to me.

[Rostislav]

............

[Guapo]

I thought Pontid are typical Balkanoid looking like them but i guess i'm wrong. :redface_002:

No man, most Balkanoids have big heads with flat occiputs like somebody smacked them on the back of the head with a 2x4 and potatoe noses.

[Rostislav]

............

[Guapo]

What about Bulgarian ? Thy are mostly Pontid, i believe.

Only the hot ones like Nina Dobrev:

http://www.zap2it.com/media/photo/2009-07/48372119.jpg

[Guapo]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/b/b4/Chetnikss.jpg/800px-Chetnikss.jpg

Serbs introducing rakia drinking custom to German tourists.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/6/61/AHYugoslaviaPrinceF.sized.jpg

Serbian prince Paul meeting with unidentified friend

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/ec/Swedesdrinking.jpg

Me a few weeks ago

[Heretik]

That's what happens when you drink Heineken. :puke:

[narcis]

people from balkans about 70% dinaric.

stalno hoce da nas vredjaju nek idu u p.m.

when i put up some photos of serbian and croatian and BiH girls you will change your views of their looks...
HJave you ever visited the area....???....maybe you should then you won't speak like that...

hi to all members

[Guapo]

people from balkans about 70% dinaric.

stalno hoce da nas vredjaju nek idu u p.m.

when i put up some photos of serbian and croatian and BiH girls you will change your views of their looks...
HJave you ever visited the area....???....maybe you should then you won't speak like that...

hi to all members

I apologize.

Now let's sing!

uMXG7zgRmgA

:drink

[Monolith]

stalno hoce da nas vredjaju nek idu u p.m.
Jel to opet neka belosvetska zavera? Dobrodošao na forum narcise ;)


when i put up some photos of serbian and croatian and BiH girls you will change your views of their looks...
Dude, you'll blow our cover. rich westerners think those girls don't look like gypsies, so shhhhhhhh!

[Aramis]

stalno hoce da nas vredjaju nek idu u p.m.

I agree, narcis. Every insult should be dealt with within the private personal message area, and not here in public.

[hajduk]

Only the hot ones like Nina Dobrev:

http://www.zap2it.com/media/photo/2009-07/48372119.jpg

she look like a mexican
http://l5.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphotos-l3-ash2/hs189.ash2/45248_432741561949_152767381949_4867883_5250196_n. jpg
could fit in turkey as well

[Guapo]

^ Turk please

[Guapo]

Sasha "The Basha" Lakovic :aufsmaul_2:

http://www.sashalakovic.com/images/gallery/hockey/hockey10.jpg
http://www.sashalakovic.com/images/gallery/hockey/hockey7.jpg
http://www.sashalakovic.com/images/gallery/fight/fight2.jpg

XFqyaPXzRYU

[Aviane]

^ Turk please

She could as well fit as a Turk, becuase they are aleast many Turkish who would pass as Europeans (especially Southeastern).

[Guapo]

Let's just drop it, shall we.

[Pallantides]

Let's just drop it, shall we.

No...xY5WeCkVj00

[Guapo]

No...xY5WeCkVj00

Oh look, Norwegians wearing turbans.

[Tom Cat]

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo348/Slaven14/531521963_4cf2e6f9b7.jpg

I see nothing wrong with this girl :coffee: :thumb001:

To quote my wife who looked at this pic, noticed the grin on my face, and said, "Oh, pleeeease. :rolleyes2:" :D

[Radojica]

http://vukajlija.com/posteri/pragnje-56385.jpg?1293307706


pragnje (http://vukajlija.com/pragnje/5399)

mitska srpska zivotinja. nesto slicno jednorogu po mocima koje ima. naime, ako uhvatite pragnje, okrenete na raznju i pojedete dobijate nevidjene moci,


:rotfl:

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

she look like a mexican
http://l5.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphotos-l3-ash2/hs189.ash2/45248_432741561949_152767381949_4867883_5250196_n. jpg
could fit in turkey as well


she's bulgarian so she is mixed with moors, Bulgaria has been a colony of the Ottoman Empire




Serbians on the contrary are pure white Europeans

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZtneWMv1XfY/TRtONbi4OfI/AAAAAAAAbVU/pbncV8xPS8Q/s1600/Serbia%2B-%2BAnja%2B%25C5%25A0aranovi%25C4%2587-22.jpg


http://worldcupgirls.net/girls-pics/serbian-girl_world-cup-2010_04.jpg


http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2009-12/168087/1878302_640px.jpg?1279594673

[Heretik]

Jes vala, najčišći!

Sjrbia do Tojkia!

[Ushtari]

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1884/31968451977506981899688.jpg (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/31968451977506981899688.jpg/)

KOSOVO JE SRBIJA!

[Mordid]

she's bulgarian so she is mixed with moors, Bulgaria has been a colony of the Ottoman Empire




Serbians on the contrary are pure white Europeans

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZtneWMv1XfY/TRtONbi4OfI/AAAAAAAAbVU/pbncV8xPS8Q/s1600/Serbia%2B-%2BAnja%2B%25C5%25A0aranovi%25C4%2587-22.jpg


http://worldcupgirls.net/girls-pics/serbian-girl_world-cup-2010_04.jpg


http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2009-12/168087/1878302_640px.jpg?1279594673

Blonde, light eye are pure European ? What an idiot! :rolleyes:

[Ushtari]

she's bulgarian so she is mixed with moors, Bulgaria has been a colony of the Ottoman Empire

Serbians on the contrary are pure white Europeans



"In Ottoman Empire Christians were but slaves at nonexistent mercy of their Muslim lords. Many, many Western books write about different horrors the Christians endured. One form of oppression was that Muslims gave themselves "right of the first night". In practice it meant that Turkish (or local Muslim Slav) lord would spend the first night with the new Christian bride. The groom had to take shoes off and silently circle the house while the Turk makes love to his wife."

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/pre-wwOne/Bosnia-tyrannized.html
:rolleyes:

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/k16kl3c2f2au/4tokm2/e1-07.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wNnxpE79lMQ/SjWSI-U4P4I/AAAAAAAAAcg/Qbuh4q_uagc/s400/Hair_color_map_europe.PNG


so??? was I wrong?

[Guapo]

"In Ottoman Empire Christians were but slaves at nonexistent mercy of their Muslim lords. Many, many Western books write about different horrors the Christians endured. One form of oppression was that Muslims gave themselves "right of the first night". In practice it meant that Turkish (or local Muslim Slav) lord would spend the first night with the new Christian bride. The groom had to take shoes off and silently circle the house while the Turk makes love to his wife."

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/pre-wwOne/Bosnia-tyrannized.html
:rolleyes:

Albanians are mixed with moors.

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

Albanians

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/03/04/world/04kosovo.600.jpg

[Ushtari]

Serbs

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7253/oliveroks3.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/oliveroks3.jpg/)

[mymy]

Serbs

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7253/oliveroks3.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/oliveroks3.jpg/)

First is actually of Croatian origin, and second they say Gypsy.

[Guapo]

I wish I was as tall and rich as Divac.

[mymy]

:D:D:D

http://www.vesti-online.com/data/images/2010-09-09/91951_tanjug277622_f.jpg?ver=1283993501

http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-02-03/9996_palma33-alo-masanori-josida_f.jpg?ver=1268396681

[Guapo]

Mmm Anja

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZtneWMv1XfY/TRtRh1Sz-gI/AAAAAAAAbYE/bxO1cNk8Wm4/s1600/Serbia%2B-%2BAnja%2B%25C5%25A0aranovi%25C4%2587-25.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZtneWMv1XfY/TDXv17lLI3I/AAAAAAAATHI/AnGcIFQiE00/s1600/Serbia+-+Anja+%C5%A0aranovi%C4%87.jpg

[Ushtari]

I wish I was as tall and rich as Divac.
Just get yourself a negroplasty, just like Kyle in southpark!

[Guapo]

Just get yourself a negroplasty, just like Kyle in southpark!

That wont make me tall or rich. Fuck...

[Mordid]

Mmm Anja

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZtneWMv1XfY/TRtRh1Sz-gI/AAAAAAAAbYE/bxO1cNk8Wm4/s1600/Serbia%2B-%2BAnja%2B%25C5%25A0aranovi%25C4%2587-25.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZtneWMv1XfY/TDXv17lLI3I/AAAAAAAATHI/AnGcIFQiE00/s1600/Serbia+-+Anja+%C5%A0aranovi%C4%87.jpg

Name, please. :cool:

[Gamera]

Name, please. :cool:

Anja Šaranović. :D

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

she's a pure Serbian 100%

Anyone visiting Serbia would meet women as her.

[mymy]

she's a pure Serbian 100%

Anyone visiting Serbia would meet women as her.

She is from Vrnjacka Banja if i remember good?

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

She is from Vrnjacka Banja if i remember good?



she's from Kraljevo, a wonderful city in the Raška District

[mymy]

she's from Kraljevo, a wonderful city in the Raška District

Well, I was close :)