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Fire Haired
09-12-2013, 03:35 AM
American Scotch Irish special forces during French and Indian war(1754-1763).
http://www.mccordfamilyassn.com/RogersRngrs.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZZsFSeauP6w
Origin of Scotch Irish



You can see on Germanic Italo Celts (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?93100-Germanic-Italo-Celts&p=1894619#post1894619)that Britain and Ireland were conquered by Celts in the bronze age somewhere from 3,000-4,3000ybp. They had almost only Y DNA R1b1a2a1a2c L21 around 95% with small minority I2a2a1 M284 from about 3-6%. Which they got by inter marriage with native Continental Europeans who had I2a2a M223 which formed into I2a2a1 L161.1 while migrating to Britain, then inter married with native Neolithic people who had G2a P15 and I2a1b2 L161.1 which together are about 1-5% of modern British and Irish Y DNA. And there is some good evidence that these Celts nearly completely killed off the natives (British ancestry almost all from Celtic and Germanic invaders (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?92232-British-ancestry-almost-all-from-Celtic-and-Germanic-Conqueres)). Then the Germanic tribes Angeals, Jutes, and Saxons originated around Netherlands and Denmark from 400-600ad invaded and conquered southern Britain. They changed that area of Britain genetically very much English especially southern and eastern English probably trace most of their ancestry to the Germanic invaders. Lowland Scottish and all English are a total mix of Germanic and Celtic invaders. Lowland Scottish probably have more ancestry from the Celts already in Britain. I have not heard of any DNA studies of Scotch Irish in the Appalachian mountains. But since they have 10-15% red hair like highlander Scottish, Welsh, and Irish most of their ancestry is probably Insular Celtic.


In the middle ages and 1600's there was constant fighting at the border of Scotland and England. So for safety they made a system of family ties known as Border Reivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Reivers). In 1603 King of the Scots James IV succeeded Elizabeth I ruler of England Scotland and England were unified under one monarch. After wars with Ireland (Nine years war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Years%27_War_(Ireland)), Flight of the Earls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Earls)) to bring peace to the Scottish - English border and to have fighting men that could suppress the Irish King James made the Plantation of Ulster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster). The Catholic Irish of course were very angry with Protestant Scottish and English settlers in Ulster and there was alot of fighting(Irish Confederate wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Confederate_Wars)).
Settlement in America



After a few Generations of settling in Ulster Ireland alot of Ulster Scots migrated to British colonies in North America 1717-1770 about 250,000 i what would become The USA. With almost all of them being Presbyterian. Since they were late settlers they could only find land in the Frontier's. As they settled in the frontiers of America mainly Appalachian mountains. They quickly became known as hillbillies which has is origin when they were Scotland or Ulster Ireland. The term Hillbilly was associated with Poverty, Violence and backwardness.


Because of their toughness and being strong Protestants they were invited to settle the American frontier by Cotton Mather. The first major spots they settled were Pennsylvania and Delaware but they quickly moved more and more west into the frontiers. Since they were on the frontiers of British territory in North America they were the main fighters against Indians. Scotch Irish settlements were constantly raided by Native American tribes mainly the 1760's. But they were able to hold up their settlements and push hostile tribes back.
American Military

The Scotch Irish were very important in the American revolution (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAmerica n_Revolution&ei=dXUvUv00kuKoAaikgPgH&usg=AFQjCNF9ojsHKXcvqlZ_qx8XT9wY3SpkXw&sig2=ltv78QULtepB0ZYwZttLXw&bvm=bv.51773540,d.aWM). 40% of the soldiers fighting forAmerican Independence were Scotch Irish including Sam Houston and american folk hero's Danial Boone and Davy Crokect. A British Hessian Officer said

Call this war by whatever name you may, only call it not an American rebellion; it is nothing more or less than a Scotch Irish Presbyterian rebellionA British major general testified in the house of commons that

"half the rebel Continental Army were from Ireland. The Scotch Irish were one of the biggest supporters of American Independence from Great Britian.


The Scotch Irish Overmountain Men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overmountain_Men) from Virginia and North Carolina formed a militia and won the battle of Kings Mountain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kings_Mountain) in 1780 which was the end of British campaign in the south and a turning point in the American revolution. The 25th President of the USA William Mckinley who was of English and Scotch Irish decent. Said
They were the first to proclaim for freedom in these United States; even before Lexington the Scotch Irish blood had been shed for American freedom.When Genral Robert E. Lee (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRobert_ E._Lee&ei=2YEvUoDnFc3MqAGOooGgAQ&usg=AFQjCNEdFsBFfojs5emEDundpTF3Pg1yFA&sig2=5NbbhsEJGE-HJ9v9cysWIw&bvm=bv.51773540,d.aWM) was asked what race makes the best soldiers he said
The Scots who came to this country by way of Ireland


In 1814 during the war of 1812 another war between America and Britain. Son of Ulster Scot immigrants Andrew Jackson brought an army of mainly Scotch Irish Appalachian sharp shooters down to Louisiana to stop British invasion. And long story short fought a battle and New Orleans on January 8, 1815. And had a major victory over the British. Defeating British general Edward Pakenham who was also killed in battle. Even though they were outnumbered 4,748 to 11,000. After this Andrew Jackson became an American hero and later the 7th President of the United states and the first who was born a common person.


Country song by Johnny Horton about the Battle of New Orleans from the perspective of an American Soldier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=50_iRIcxsz0


Three signers of the United States Deceleration of Independence were Scots born in Ulster and five were sons or grandsons of Scots from Ulster. Same Houston a full blooded Scotch Irish who was partly raised in his early life by Cherokee Indians in Tennessee he could speak their language and was seen as apart of the Cherokee nation. He was the leader of the Texas Revolution which gave the American settlers independence from Mexico. He supported US annexation of Texas in 1845. In 1827 he was the governor of Arkansa and in 1859 became the governor of Texas. The capital of Texas Houston and the fourth biggest of city in the USA was named in his honor.


In the Civil war of course there were many people of Scotch Irish ancestry fighting since most men in the south and tons in the north fought. Since Scotch Irish are in the south they fought mainly on the confederate side. One famous one is Confederate general Stone wall Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Jackson). Click here (http://mhconstitution.com/2013/04/11/confederate-flag-is-more-american-than-the-country-itself/) it shows how the Confederate flag probably has some of its origin in the Scottish flag mainly St. Andrew's X shaped croos. Sorry i cant find alot of info on it. But i did a school project on the Scotch Irish a few years ago and i remember an unbelievable amount of famous military leaders and politicians with Scotch Irish ancestry click (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scotch-Irish_Americans) here for alot alot more details.
Music
Ballad and Fiddle both which the Scotch Irish aka Hillbillies brought to America from Scotland. This song is "When i first come to this country".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6ArylRGWME&list=PLzimv5MbILp9RZFSmpE8wLT3DX-4102o-&feature=player_detailpage


Musicologist Ceil Sharp studied 100's pf traditional Appalachian folk songs. And said the Music tradition of the people points to lowlands of Scotland and northern England. And for Appalachian tunes the same story English speaking Lowlands of Scotland and northern England not very Gealic speaking Highlands of Scotland. Sharp who was an authority on British Ballards was able to identify 1,600 versions of 500 songs from 281 singers almost all having their origin in English/Scottish Child Ballards. And that Scotch Irish in the Appalachian mountains were able to keep these rythems for over 200 years and became popular in the 1960's and 1970's.


Another very traditional form of music of Scotch Irish is Ballad singing. Which is also still very popular in the all of the UK. A Ballad is a narrative poem sung about life. The oldest record of a Ballad is in the England during the 1200's the song Judas which is still sung in England. Ballads were very popular in Scotland and England in the Medieval age and up to the 1800's and today is seen as one of their main traditional forms of music. It might even go as far back as the old Germanic tribes from pre Roman Europe over 2,000 years ago. Narrative storytelling in poems and songs are mentioned in the book Beowolf which was written between 700-1000ad. It is about English Germanic ancestors around modern day Netherlands and Denmark in the late 400's. It also mentions very old Germanic traditions going back over 2,000 years.


On top is a Traditional Appalachian Scotch Irish Ballad speaker who says she is 8th generation ballad singer but probably many more generations than that considering how old the song is probably over 16 generations. and on bottom a Scottish Ballad singer singing the same song "Black is the color of my true loves hair" in Scotland and Ireland it is considered one of their Gaelic Celtic song. Who today in Scotland or America says Rosie fair it shows in my opinion the song in very old. since Scotch Irish left Scotland before 1610 the song is over 400 years old. It shows strong tradition in Scottish and and Scotch Irish in America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=89g5hg-LpJM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=W5fBppsntAE






To of their main instruments the Fiddle and Banjo have two very different origins. The Fiddle which is just another name for a violin they brought over from Scotland then ulster then America. The Appalachian Scotch Irish type of Fiddle playing is considered in the same family as Scottish and Irish "Celtic" Fiddles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8S6eOYi7yY&feature=player_detailpage
The Banjo was not adopted by whites in the south until the years leading up to the Civil war so 1840's-1850's. It was invented by African slaves while in America and formed out of similar instruments in the areas of west Africa the slaves and free blacks traced their ancestry to. Their are related instruments in other parts of the America's that African slaves were brought to. Then there are also different forms of Banjo's. Joel Sweeny who claimed learned to play the Banjo from local African Americans IS the earliest documented white banjo player. He invented the modern 5 string Banjo and he changed the construction of the chamber from the traditional African way constructed from a groud to a drum like resonating chamber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rrlqQ1_vZVE


Appalachian folk music eventulley formed into modern music forms Bluegrass and country music in the 1900's. And were probably the biggest part in forming old time music. Besides old time African Americans who also were in the south were a big influence in creating distinct american music. American music was formed mainly from a mix of African and Scotch Irish music in the south.


Influence on American identity



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Fr9Ju_NSqT0


In the Video above was a US senator representing Virginia and in the Democrat party. author of the book Scotch Irish: Born fighting and narrator of this documentary Scotch Irish: born fighting. He was born in Saint Joesph, Missouri and is Scotch Irish. He shows in his book and documentary he thinks the main character of the Scotch Irish is their fighting spirit. And that the American character was mainly formed by the Scotch Irish. The love of freedom, Individualism, military tradition and resilience against foreign and oppressive rulers he says goes back to their life in Scotland and even as far back to their ancient Bronze and Iron age Celtic ancestors and it helped form American democracy.


The Scotch Irish were extremely important in creating distinct American music like i showed above. They were very important in creating mainly culture in the traditional south. They are the real Hillbillies and rednecks. When i first learned about them a few years ago because of a school project. I could not believe that Hillbilly's could trace back to a specific area in Europe and so much of their culture and traditions go back to Scotland. They defintley are extremely influence on American culture maybe more than any other ethnic group in American history which is crazy when u consider how small they are kind of like Jews. They defintley are a great example of true Americans with their hard working, rebellious, independent, fighting spirit. Honestly it is annoying on how little they are mentioned in School history books i dont think they are at all. In School i learn that in the American Revolution everyone was English and saw England as their mother country not true 40% were Scotch Irish that is more than English many coming straight from Ulster and their ancestors had been fighting at the border of England and Scotland since The Hadrien's wall for almost 2,000 years. They even made Nascar because during the Prohibition era so they could sell their white whiskey their signature drink. Which they invented in America off the Whiskey they had in Scotland.

Prisoner Of Ice
09-12-2013, 04:58 AM
They are still the backbone of our special forces. There were more than one redheads involved in the death of bin laden.

PS I have a red beard, but not redhead.

Graham
09-12-2013, 07:11 PM
A proper Scots-Irish should share ancestry with me. They were cousins of people like my Grandad. A little from the North part of Cumberland/Cumbria. :)

Prisoner Of Ice
09-12-2013, 08:22 PM
A proper Scots-Irish should share ancestry with me. They were cousins of people like my Grandad. A little from the North part of Cumberland/Cumbria. :)
I don't think I am Sctos-Irish even though I am part Irish and part Scottish, but you look more like my brother than I do. It's uncanny.

Fire Haired
09-12-2013, 09:37 PM
A proper Scots-Irish should share ancestry with me. They were cousins of people like my Grandad. A little from the North part of Cumberland/Cumbria. :)

Of course if ur Scottish mainly lowlands u have tons of common ancestry with Scotch Irish in America. U can see how that Scotch Iirsh lady in the Appalachian mountains said the song (black is the color of my true loves hair" saw it has one of her families traditional songs so do Scottish and Irish. It is popular in both the wording is a little different in the american and Scottish/Irish version because they have been separate for over 400 years and for the Scotch Irish i am sure it has been passed down over the last 400 years more by oral tradition.

here is a red hair map of the USA i am sure they only counted European Americans and i am not talking about so called white Hispanics because they might have a little more Spanish blood than native american.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6qWm7rqIRxC5Afs4kPjLLazn815aRY 8Y9f_2WKQXPrZAXf5Ei

U can see it peaks in Nova Scotia in Canada and the scotch irish Appliance mountains with 1015%. Just like the Highlands of Scotland(most of Scotland), Ireland, and Wales.
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/red_hair_map_europe.jpg

I have not heard of super detailed DNA study on Scotch Irish. But i have heard R1b L21 mentioned that is probably their main Y DNa haplogroups. The traditional south has 5-10% this defintley shows that R1b L11 is probably their main Y DNA haplogroup overall with mainly Celtic(almost all insular Celtic) R1b L21 then Germanic R1b S21. I think European americans should be studied because their so mixed with from diff Europeans. So u dont have to wonder what mixed German, Austrian, Italian, Scottish people would be like. And since red hair shows huge connections with Germanic Italo Celtic R1b L11 maybe the way to test that is see how much red hair mainly R1b L11 Americans have.

Fire Haired
09-12-2013, 09:47 PM
They are still the backbone of our special forces. There were more than one redheads involved in the death of bin laden.

PS I have a red beard, but not redhead.

I have no idea there were redheads that helped kill bin laden that's pretty cool. I know Scotch Irish have been extremely important in American military history. In World war 2 Patton was our leader in Europe he was mainly Scotch Irish ancestry with some English. MacArthur our leader in the Pacific u can tell by his last name his family came from Scotland specifically highlands i am not sure how much Scottish blood he had overall there are some theory's that he is a direct descendant of Robert the Bruce.

I really doubt most american soldiers now are mainly Scotch Irish since it is such a small ethnicity. And that every white american is so mixed. The only full blooded Scotch Irish are in the Appalachian mountains. Overall the biggest ethnicity in America is German, Irish, African, and English. The vast majority of white Americans ancestry is from west of Poland and north of The 45th parrel. Were red hair is always over 3%.

There are alot of people with red beards but not red head hair including some of my relatives. My grandpa's family has all Brown hair from what i know going back to the 1800's they are half mixed English, Scottish, and Scotch Irish and half German. The red hair gene just wasn't there my grandma has red hair her mom had red hair and her grandpa from Norway had red hair also her brother had red hair. So the red hair gene is very strong in her family. But all the kids had brown hair except my dad will sometimes grow a few red beard hairs. So that might prove that u can have some red hair even if both parents dont have the gene.

Graham
09-12-2013, 09:50 PM
Would be useful for a mod to merge this thread with this..
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?92605-The-quot-SCOTCH-IRISH-

Stormer99
09-12-2013, 09:55 PM
These people claim to be Irish when they are descended from Scottish and English people who settled in Ireland...:picard1:

Loki
09-12-2013, 09:59 PM
These people claim to be Irish when they are descended from Scottish and English people who settled in Ireland...:picard1:

More Popery from you :rolleyes:

Stormer99
09-12-2013, 10:01 PM
More Popery from you :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people

Loki
09-12-2013, 10:07 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people

Yes I know, they are Northern Irish people - the greatest people on Scotia.

Stormer99
09-12-2013, 10:09 PM
Yes I know, they are Northern Irish people - the greatest people on Scotia.

Although I think of Northern Ireland as being more British than Irish. It's British in terms of ethnicity, religion, history, and mentality.

Loki
09-12-2013, 10:10 PM
Although I think of Northern Ireland as being more British than Irish. It's British in terms of ethnicity, religion, history, and mentality.

Yes, you are correct :)

Graham
09-12-2013, 10:11 PM
Most Ulster-Scots are of Prebyterian oirgin. Although 17th century Britain. East coast Scotland was Episcopalian & Jacobite. England was Anglican.

Stanley
09-12-2013, 10:19 PM
These people claim to be Irish when they are descended from Scottish and English people who settled in Ireland...:picard1: A lot of Americans with Scots-Irish ancestry today do, but I doubt the real ones in the colonial days felt they were truly ethnic Irish. They knew who they were, it's some of their ignorant modern descendants who wrongly feel like they have shamrocks growing out of their skin.

Fire Haired
09-12-2013, 10:41 PM
These people claim to be Irish when they are descended from Scottish and English people who settled in Ireland...:picard1:


They are from Scottish that settled In ulter Ireland. There were also some english though. They call themselves rish in america because they dont really care about figuring out exactly were they came from and their great great great granpas or whatever came here from ulter Ireland almost 300 years ago. Just like Ur Italian but ur from America they were Scottish in Ireland. There is some knowledge that they came originally from Scotland but they will still say Irish. Like u can see in the quote from ulyess Grant he said the greatest soldiers are the Scots who cam to this country by way of Ireland.

Fire Haired
09-12-2013, 10:41 PM
Yes I know, they are Northern Irish people - the greatest people on Scotia.

No their from lowlands of Scotland. They emigrated to ulster Ireland in the early 1600's.

Fire Haired
09-12-2013, 10:42 PM
Most Ulster-Scots are of Prebyterian oirgin. Although 17th century Britain. East coast Scotland was Episcopalian & Jacobite. England was Anglican.

Not in America they were converted to being baptist in the 1800's

Graham
09-12-2013, 10:42 PM
Ulysses Grant would say that, wouldn't he?(being a Grant) ;) My ancestry is better than yours. blah blah.

Prisoner Of Ice
09-12-2013, 10:45 PM
I have no idea there were redheads that helped kill bin laden that's pretty cool. I know Scotch Irish have been extremely important in American military history. In World war 2 Patton was our leader in Europe he was mainly Scotch Irish ancestry with some English. MacArthur our leader in the Pacific u can tell by his last name his family came from Scotland specifically highlands i am not sure how much Scottish blood he had overall there are some theory's that he is a direct descendant of Robert the Bruce.

I really doubt most american soldiers now are mainly Scotch Irish since it is such a small ethnicity. And that every white american is so mixed. The only full blooded Scotch Irish are in the Appalachian mountains. Overall the biggest ethnicity in America is German, Irish, African, and English. The vast majority of white Americans ancestry is from west of Poland and north of The 45th parrel. Were red hair is always over 3%.

Yeah they are a small group but they are a big part of the most elite soldiers the USA has. If the celts in general were the warrior elite they were the elite of the elite.

Loki
09-12-2013, 10:45 PM
No their from lowlands of Scotland. They emigrated to ulster Ireland in the early 1600's.

Yes, but they mixed with the other Northern Irish people, and hence are also Northern Irish.

Fire Haired
09-12-2013, 10:47 PM
A lot of Americans with Scots-Irish ancestry today do, but I doubt the real ones in the colonial days felt they were truly ethnic Irish. They knew who they were, it's some of their ignorant modern descendants who wrongly feel like they have shamrocks growing out of their skin.

Their modern descendants know they originally came form Scotland. and they don't really care anyways they dont try to prove their irish. My great grandpa told grandpa and brother our family was originally Irish with English and Scottish. When he said Irish my grandpa knew he meant Scotch Irish and my great grandpa said their originally from Scotland but people call them Irish. But my great grandma was 100% German and my grandma was Norwegian, German, with some English then my mom's grandpa was 50% Cornish with some English and other types of UK then his grandma was 100% German. Basically a whole lot of Germans came in the 1800's and wiped out the UK blood in America. I notice a trend on bothsides.

Fire Haired
09-12-2013, 10:47 PM
Yes, but they mixed with the other Northern Irish people, and hence are also Northern Irish.

U have to show real evidence not just assumption.

Graham
09-12-2013, 10:56 PM
Yes, but they mixed with the other Northern Irish people, and hence are also Northern Irish.

From the 19th century on, a more United Protestant front, became culture. Before then, the Presbyterians had Republican tendencies away from the Anglicans. Republican movement started to diverge away, to only mean Catholic republicans..

Scots-Irish Presbyterians moved to America with more democratic radical Republican tendencies. That could have stuck in the US, & ended in Ireland.

Fire Haired
09-12-2013, 10:59 PM
Yeah they are a small group but they are a big part of the most elite soldiers the USA has. If the celts in general were the warrior elite they were the elite of the elite.

The ancient Celts were not a unifed group of people it is really complicated. Insular Celts from Britain and Ireland are just one group. French are mainly descended almost 100% from the Gauls the most known Celts. Most of Spain and Portugal was Celtic before the Roman empire same with most of Germany. It is complicated there is a very big trace of blood form the proto Germanic Italo Celtic speakers who conquered west Europe starting 5,000ybp Germanic Italo Celts (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?93100-Germanic-Italo-Celts). And overall it seems Irish and still full just about full blooded Insular Celts have the the most and are mainly descended from the proto Germanic Italo Celtic speakers.

Its true that Celts like the Gauls were really good fighters and known for it. But their warrior culture is not connected with any cultures in Europe today it is pretty much completely extinct and has been for about 2,000 years. Over 2,000 years a ton a ton of things change. Rome is what triggered a chain of effects in Europe that completely changed the culture of everyone. So the culture of Scotch Irish is more connected to traditional culture developed in Scotland and England starting in the middle ages. I wouldnt be suprised that there are alot of Scotch Irish people who are elites in the US military because i see alot of them in history. and the Scotch Irish obviously care alot about military since they were a small minority but took up 40% of the military during the revolutionary war.

Fire Haired
09-12-2013, 11:00 PM
From the 19th century on, a more United Protestant front, became culture. Before then, the Presbyterians had Republican tendencies away from the Anglicans. Republican movement started to diverge away, to only mean Catholic republicans..

Scots-Irish Presbyterians moved to America with more democratic radical Republican tendencies. That could have stuck in the US, & ended in Ireland.

what type of republican and democrat are u talking about.

Graham
09-12-2013, 11:02 PM
What type of republican and democrat are you talking about.

A Republican is someone who is against the Monarchy, I don't understand what you mean by what type. A democratic, means more rites for the working man.(Scots-Irish under penal laws in Ireland). A vote, some land, Liberty etc..

Loki
09-12-2013, 11:05 PM
U have to show real evidence not just assumption.

What? :confused: I hope you're not serious.

Albion
09-12-2013, 11:56 PM
I have Ulster Scots ancestry. Distantly related to Graham in Scotchland.

Prisoner Of Ice
09-13-2013, 01:07 AM
What? :confused: I hope you're not serious.

You could google wikipedia for north ireland to clear up all your confusion on the irish. Ulster Scots are loyalists and protestant and some of them are extreme about it even today. I'm sure some of them have mixed in over time but not as freely as you seem to think.

Fire Haired
09-13-2013, 01:12 AM
I have Ulster Scots ancestry. Distantly related to Graham in Scotchland.

25% Ulster ancestry it could be Scottish, English, or Irish

These could be ur long lost cousins
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j169/Tolep8nt/blog%20pictures/rcc-45a7b80b48511Hillbillies2.jpg

Albion
09-13-2013, 01:18 AM
25% Ulster ancestry it could be Scottish, English, or Irish

These could be ur long lost cousins
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j169/Tolep8nt/blog%20pictures/rcc-45a7b80b48511Hillbillies2.jpg

Eh, they just look like fatter versions of my rural relatives over here. :bored:

Weedman
12-23-2013, 01:25 PM
I really doubt most american soldiers now are mainly Scotch Irish since it is such a small ethnicity. And that every white american is so mixed. The only full blooded Scotch Irish are in the Appalachian mountains. .

NOBODY in the Appalachian Mountains is full-blooded Scotch-Irish and they NEVER were full blooded......they have always been thoroughly mixed with Scotch-Irish, English, and German and even some French in some cases.

Weedman
12-23-2013, 01:36 PM
They are from Scottish that settled In ulter Ireland. There were also some english though. They call themselves rish in america because they dont really care about figuring out exactly were they came from and their great great great granpas or whatever came here from ulter Ireland almost 300 years ago. Just like Ur Italian but ur from America they were Scottish in Ireland. There is some knowledge that they came originally from Scotland but they will still say Irish. Like u can see in the quote from ulyess Grant he said the greatest soldiers are the Scots who cam to this country by way of Ireland.

they call themselves Irish in America sometimes because back in colonial times, when they came to America, the immigration papers said they were "Irish", "Irish Presbyterian", "Irish Protestant" etc......

there was no terms as Scotch-Irish or Ulster Scots back then, and at the time the vast majority of immigrants coming to America from Ireland were northern protestants.

so for most Scotch-Irish when they trace their ancestry, it simply says their ancestors came from Ireland.

The only ones who truly care about whether they are "true Irish" or not are the retards up north, in America who like to complain about every stupid little thing anyway.

Loki
12-23-2013, 01:45 PM
I'm so proud of my Novella. She comes from the best stock in the world <3