Catholic Church is Not a Force for Good!

[Aunt Hilda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6sz8D411kE



full debate - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn0tPRjVBvw

[Baluarte]

Hitchens and Fry on the British Broadcasting Corporation xD

Worth remembering what mr Knowitall Hitchens really stood for:

" Hitchens became increasingly critical of what he called "excuse making" on the left. At the same time, he was attracted to the foreign policy ideas of some on the Republican-right that promoted pro-liberalism intervention, especially the neoconservative group that included Paul Wolfowitz."

"Christopher Hitchens argued the case for the Iraq War in a 2003 collection of essays entitled A Long Short War: The Postponed Liberation of Iraq, and he held numerous public debates on the topic with George Galloway and Scott Ritter"

"In 2006, in a town hall meeting in Pennsylvania debating the Jewish Tradition with Martin Amis, Hitchens commented on his political philosophy by stating, "I am no longer a socialist, but I still am a Marxist"

"He continued to regard both Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky as great men, and the October Revolution as a necessary event in the modernisation of Russia. In 2005, Hitchens praised Lenin's creation of "secular Russia" and his discrediting of the Russian Orthodox Church, describing it as "an absolute warren of backwardness and evil and superstition""

"Prior to 11 September 2001, and the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, Hitchens was highly critical of President George W. Bush's "non-interventionist" foreign policy"

"Although Hitchens defended Bush's post-11 September foreign policy, he criticised the actions of US troops in Abu Ghraib and Haditha"


And the cherry on top of the cake:

" Later in life, Hitchens discovered that he was of Jewish descent on his mother's side. According to Hitchens, when his brother Peter took his fiancée to meet their maternal grandmother, who was then in her 90s, she said of his fiancée, "She's Jewish, isn't she?" and then announced: "Well, I've got something to tell you. So are you." Hitchens found out that his maternal grandmother, Dorothy née Levin, was Jewish (Dorothy's father and maternal grandfather had both been born Jewish, and Dorothy's maternal grandmother – Hitchens' matrilineal great-great-grandmother – was a convert to Judaism)."

[Loki]

What's wrong with socialism and Marxism?

[Philo]

Worth remembering what mr Knowitall Hitchens really stood for:

What do you stand for? You stand for nothing. You don't stand for your country and you don't stand for democracy and not even fascism. The one thing you may stand for is probably hate.

[Aunt Hilda]

Hitchens and Fry on the British Broadcasting Corporation xD
blah FUCKING blah

God, you're pathetic. Hitchens doesn't even speak in the Video I linked xD

[Baluarte]

The full video features Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens. I basically wanted to point interesting facts about his positions in different issues to get an idea about who the guy really was. I deemed Fry to be a very well known figure already as the Gay Jew who systematically works for the Labour Party and defends Blair at every turn, so I focused on Hitchens.

Even then, and after taking the trouble to filter and reduce the information available, all I get is thumbing down for some unknwon reason.
I guess that if I had said "So right, rock on" I would have gotten more respect.

[Aunt Hilda]

The full video features Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens. I basically wanted to point interesting facts about his positions in different issues to get an idea about who the guy really was. I deemed Fry to be a very well known figure already as the Gay Jew who systematically works for the Labour Party and defends Blair at every turn, so I focused on Hitchens.

Even then, and after taking the trouble to filter and reduce the information available, all I get is thumbing down for some unknwon reason.
I guess that if I had said "So right, rock on" I would have gotten more respect.
as always, your comments are off-topic and distract from the actual subject.

[Baluarte]

How can the credentials of the guys doing the critique not be relevant?

Am I the only that notices that putting two Jews completely coopted by the liberal-libertarian system, one known for systematic obedience to the Labour Party institutions and other linked to the Trostkyist-Neoconservative network, to give their opinion on the Catholic Church to be just a bit biased.

[Aunt Hilda]

How can the credentials of the guys doing the critique not be relevant?

Am I the only that notices that putting two Jews completely coopted by the liberal-libertarian system, one known for systematic obedience to the Labour Party institutions and other linked to the Trostkyist-Neoconservative network, to give their opinion on the Catholic Church to be just a bit biased.
:rolleyes:
It's like you're obsessed or something. I bet you masturbate to Paul Krugman.

[Yaroslav]

The true Catholic Church (not the phony hi-jacked hierarchy in the Vatican) is the ONLY good institution on Earth. It is the ONLY force of good on Earth. The Church is the immaculate bride of Christ, and for its goodness and holiness is hated by the wicked, abominable, and detestable world which is under the dominion of Satan.

[Aunt Hilda]

The true Catholic Church (not the phony hi-jacked hierarchy in the Vatican) is the ONLY good institution on Earth. It is the ONLY force of good on Earth. The Church is the immaculate bride of Christ, and for its goodness and holiness is hated by the wicked, abominable, and detestable world which is under the dominion of Satan.
sign me up :o

[Yaroslav]

sign me up :o

You are already signed up. All men (except Jesus and Mary), since the fall of Adam, are born with original sin and are children of Satan from birth. Only baptism and faith in Christ Jesus can free you from Satan's dominion.

[Aunt Hilda]

You are already signed up. All men (except Jesus and Mary), since the fall of Adam, are born with original sin and are children of Satan from birth. Only baptism and faith in Christ Jesus can free you from Satan's dominion.
yay, I can't wait. hell sounds like so much fun, a lot better than haven(which, in turn, sounds like some kind of never ending worshipping ceremony for a bloodthirsty maniac).

[riverman]

How can the credentials of the guys doing the critique not be relevant?

Am I the only that notices that putting two Jews completely coopted by the liberal-libertarian system, one known for systematic obedience to the Labour Party institutions and other linked to the Trostkyist-Neoconservative network, to give their opinion on the Catholic Church to be just a bit biased.

This makes absolutely no sense.

[Incal]

Which church or religion is a force of good anyway? They are just vestiges of superstitious times when ignorance ruled supreme.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Which church or religion is a force of good anyway? They are just vestiges of superstitious times when ignorance ruled supreme.

Can you deny the charity that religions contribute!?

[Aunt Hilda]

Can you deny the charity that religions contribute!?
can you deny the fact they do it under the condition those in need of charity must convert to their religion first? or the fact that the catholic church spreads the lie that condoms increase the chance of getting HIV?

[Incal]

Can you deny the charity that religions contribute!?

You can practice charity without being religious. I do.

[Blackout]

You are already signed up. All men (except Jesus and Mary), since the fall of Adam, are born with original sin and are children of Satan from birth. Only baptism and faith in Christ Jesus can free you from Satan's dominion.

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[SobieskisavedEurope]

can you deny the fact they do it under the condition those in need of charity must convert to their religion first? or the fact that the catholic church spreads the lie that condoms increase the chance of getting HIV?

J am agnostic, so you won't get much of an argument from me here.

However, I am not spiteful of religion just because I am not religious & lack belief.

I was baptized & confirmed in the Catholic church though despite later becoming a skeptic.

So,Catholic faith is a bit of who I am.

As for religion, I don't think it is all bad I have seen the good charity work they have done.

There are studies showing religious people live longer!

[Aunt Hilda]

J am agnostic so you won't get much of an argument from me here.

However, I am not spiteful of religion just because I am not religious & lack belief.

I was baptized & confirmed in the Catholic church though despite later becoming a skeptic.

So,Catholic faith is a bit of who I am.

As for religion I don't think it is all bad I have seen the good charity work they have done.

There are studies showing religious people live longer!http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rl4k8c1A1qemaclo1_500.gif

[SobieskisavedEurope]

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NVM. It did show up a moment later.

[Aunt Hilda]

The picture didn't show up.
it's just random off topic about hell and what not.

[Manifest Destiny]

What's wrong with socialism and Marxism?

Besides the oppression and death camps and shit like that?

[Aunt Hilda]

Besides the oppression and death camps and shit like that?
sooo, What's wrong with socialism and Marxism? jk

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Besides the oppression and death camps and shit like that?

This is asking for the Atheists to respond with the Fascist -Catholic connection.

I have a feeling this is going to lead to a discussion of Fascism vs Communism.

[Manifest Destiny]

This is asking for the Atheists to respond with the Fascist -Catholic connection.

I have a feeling this is going to lead to a discussion of Fascism vs Communism.

There has certainly been death and oppression under fascism, too. But, in those cases, leftists don't pretend that it never happened and insist on making the same mistakes again and again.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Well, I will head the fascist thing.

Mussolini was an Atheist & a Marxist originally!

Hitler had dabbled in the Occult, Paganism, Thule society, Theosophical society, Vril society, Nietzscheism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucius, Islam, Protestantism & Catholism.

Alfred Rosenberg Anti-Christian founded Nazi Germany to create a new religion based in Nordic beliefs.

Nazi Germany ultimately used the Hindu Swastika as it's main symbol rather than the iron cross.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

There has certainly been death and oppression under fascism, too. But, in those cases, leftists don't pretend that it never happened and insist on making the same mistakes again and again.

True! The Far Leftists do tend to insist on trying communism over & over again even though every time it leads to oppression.

Anyways, Fascism was rather Left wing in many aspects anyways, this is often neglected of course since the media & holly wood is largely Jewish & or Leftist.

[Yaroslav]

People are talking like "death & oppression" automatically equate to evil. On the contrary, death and oppression is absolutely necessary to maintain justice and order in this world. Why do you think God inflicts death & oppression on this world? Because we deserve it. If you think death & oppression automatically means evil, then God would be evil for cursing us with death and suffering. And don't forget the eternal burning and torture in Hell. But of course it is not evil, God is just. Hence you need to drop your peacenik deistic/atheistic Enlightenment era philosophy and return to Catholicism which made the world great. Look where the Enlightenment brought us today! Homos parading on the streets, getting "married", serving in the military, getting government benefits, abortions legal, we have crossdressers and government actually recognizes crossdressing and body mutilation as "sex change", and worst of all religious liberty which allows every false religion under the sun to be practiced. You like that kind of stuff? Then Catholicism is NOT for you! Hell awaits all of you. God will give you the grace to see the light of the truth, but you must be desiring it and seeking it with all your heart, soul, and mind.