100,000 armed terrorists fighting in Syria: Study

[ariel]

A British defense study shows that militants fighting against Syria now number around 100,000 fighters, which are fragmented into around 1,000 bands.

The extracts of the study by defense consultancy IHS Jane's were published on Monday in the British Daily Telegraph.
IHS Jane's estimates that some 10,000 militants are fighting for groups affiliated with al-Qaeda such as al-Nusra Front and the rest fight for different militant groups.
The analysis also said that a large number of extremists from foreign countries are active in Syria.
Over the past few days, scores of Takfiri militants - mostly foreign mercenaries - have been killed in clashes with Syrian army soldiers in different parts of the country.
Earlier on Thursday, Saudi national Abu Turab al-Najdi who was a leader of al-Qaeda-linked group the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria was killed in Syria’s al-Regheh town in north eastern Syria.
Syria has been gripped by deadly unrest since March 2011. According to reports, the Western powers and their regional allies -- especially Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey -- are supporting the militants operating inside Syria.
According to the UN, more than 100,000 people have been killed and a total of 7.8 million of others displaced due to the violence.
People have been witnessing brutal scenes of killing and torture in some areas of the country which have been occupied and controlled by anti-Syria groups.
As the Syrian government is struggling with internal and external threats of wider conflicts, people have been forced to live under strict rules imposed by some of the militant groups who benefit international silence on their crimes.
A US plan to bomb the country over a chemical attack near Syrian capital on August 21 was canceled with Russia’s mediation that sought to ease the tensions by putting Syria’s stockpile of chemical weapons under international control.
The offer was widely welcomed both in Syria and other countries that were concerned by US military ambitions and its regional consequences.

http://en.alalam.ir/news/1517142

[Jackson]

Here's some more about that:

10,000 Jihadists
30-35,000 Hardline Islamists
30,000 Moderate Islamists


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UMmhXKdtQo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10311007/Syria-nearly-half-rebel-fighters-are-jihadists-or-hardline-Islamists-says-IHS-Janes-report.html

Given reports i've seen and what the civilians are saying themselves, a large amount of the remaining 25-30,000 are made up of criminals and street gangs looking to gain from the crisis. Given that some of the original FSA have defected back to the government, many have been killed and some are sheltering in Turkey, plus all these criminal gangs i wouldn't expect more than 10,000-15,000 to be made up of the original secular FSA opposition. Of course that is just an estimate but if official figures were found for that remaining 25,000-30,000, it wouldn't surprise me if that is all that were left. There's also been infighting between this smaller group and the larger Islamists/Jihadist group as well.

[Jackson]

So basically what this conflict is, is a legitimate government vs roaming criminal war-bands.

[Acquisitor]

So basically what this conflict is, is a legitimate government vs roaming criminal war-bands.

supported by Saudi Arabia.

[Rastko]

So basically what this conflict is, is a legitimate government vs roaming criminal war-bands.

Yes, that's the truth which western media is trying to hide. It was kinda obvious from the start.

Obama should give his Nobel prize to Putin :lightbul:

[SilverKnight]

Well, 100,000 to eliminate then.

[Wolf]

supported by Saudi Arabia.

+ America, UK and France

[blogen]

+ America, UK and France

And Israel.

[Methusalem]

I know some guys since my early teenage years who are now fighting over there as jihadits. They are part of the Al-Nusra movement. Quite weird. Three years ago we went to the same boxing gym and were hanging around together. And now they are up and prepared to murder in the name of Allah. These are moments when you realize that the world in which you are living, is pretty 'fucked up'.

[ariel]

And Israel.

do you have any sources about this claim?

[Petros Houhoulis]

I know some guys since my early teenage years who are now fighting over there as jihadits. They are part of the Al-Nusra movement. Quite weird. Three years ago we went to the same boxing gym and were hanging around together. And now they are up and prepared to murder in the name of Allah. These are moments when you realize that the world in which you are living, is pretty 'fucked up'.

I have told you that you keep weird company, didn't I?

[Acquisitor]

do you have any sources about this claim?

oh come on, Israeli clearly lobbies for an intervention, its just truth

[Methusalem]

I have told you that you keep weird company, didn't I?

Well we are were just teenagers. At that time they were not 'radical' but more or less 'moderate'. But no I am not in contact with them anyway.

[blogen]

do you have any sources about this claim?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OwcfpNQkyc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQw-Xt-cHSQ

Etc.

[ariel]

oh come on, Israeli clearly lobbies for an intervention, its just truth

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4430283,00.html

:rolleyes:

[Petros Houhoulis]

Well we are were just teenagers. At that time they were not 'radical' but more or less 'moderate'. But no I am not in contact with them anyway.

Did you ever realize that many of these "Nuzzis" you were fighting together were nothing more that chickenshit who wouldn't dare move unless in large groups, and that many of your former friends were way more dangerous?

[Methusalem]

Did you ever realize that many of these "Nuzzis" you were fighting together were nothing more that chickenshit who wouldn't dare move unless in large groups, and that many of your former friends were way more dangerous?

I know. You don't have to tell me that.

[Petros Houhoulis]

I know. You don't have to tell me that.

I have to tell you that, because savagery is not exactly inherited. The original NAZIs had the ordeals of WWI and the 1929 crisis. The modern Nuzzis have not been suffering half of what your immigrant friends have suffered... You should upgrade your Friend vs Foe recognition system...

[Methusalem]

I have to tell you that, because savagery is not exactly inherited. The original NAZIs had the ordeals of WWI and the 1929 crisis. The modern Nuzzis have not been suffering half of what your immigrant friends have suffered... You should upgrade your Friend vs Foe recognition system...

Modern Nuzzies are the direct decendants of the original NAZIs. It is the same framework. And yes both are equal enemys. The difference is the higher frequency of terroristic behaviour among the 'radical Muzzies'. But both extremes are equally shit.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Modern Nuzzies are the direct decendants of the original NAZIs. It is the same framework. And yes both are equal enemys. The difference is the higher frequency of terroristic behaviour among the 'radical Muzzies'. But both extremes are equally shit.

They are shit, but not equally shit. No modern German is famous for terrorist acts.

[Methusalem]

They are shit, but not wqually shit. No modern German is famous for terrorist acts.

Oh really? Just a recent case. I bet you know it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus_serial_murders

[Petros Houhoulis]

Oh really? Just a recent case. I bet you know it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus_serial_murders

Big deal! The Turks have burnt somewhere between 3.000 and 4.000 Kurdish villages, have had to deal with 40.000 corpses from that conflict alone, not to mention all other casualties who were not the result of the state action, and they have the audacity to criticize the Germans for less than 10 people???

Seriously, maybe I was wrong not to account for 5 recent hillibillies, but they are nothing compared to the what goes around the rest of the planet in terms of murders and serial killers, not to mention mass murderds out of military operations and terrorism, which have nothing to do with modern Germany. O.K., maybe they messed up with Yugoslavia, but it was still mainly the Yugoslavs' fault...

[Methusalem]

Big deal! The Turks have burnt somewhere between 3.000 and 4.000 Kurdish villages, have had to deal with 40.000 corpses from that conflict alone, not to mention all other casualties who were not the result of the state action, and they have the audacity to criticize the Germans for less than 10 people???

Lol that's not even the point we are arguing now. I just gave you an example of rightwing terrorism within Germany. And rightwing terrorism within Germany had till now the most casualties than any 'Muzzlim' terror act. Actually there is not one single case of Muzzlim terror acts in Germany. AFAIK.


Seriously, maybe I was wrong not to account for 5 recent hillibillies, but they are nothing compared to the what goes around the rest of the planet in terms of murders and serial killers, not to mention mass murderds out of military operations and terrorism, which have nothing to do with modern Germany. O.K., maybe they messed up with Yugoslavia, but it was still mainly the Yugoslavs' fault...

I know what you mean. But as I said that's not the point here.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Lol that's not even the point we are arguing now. I just gave you an example of rightwing terrorism within Germany. And rightwing terrorism within Germany had till now the most casualties than any 'Muzzlim' terror act. Actually there is not one single case of Muzzlim terror acts in Germany. AFAIK.



I know what you mean. But as I said that's not the point here.

You just gave me the opportunity to break even:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Berlin_discotheque_bombing


On April 5, 1986 three people were killed and around 230 injured when La Belle discothèque was bombed in West Berlin, West Germany. The entertainment venue was commonly frequented by United States soldiers, and two of the dead and 79 of the injured were American servicemen.
A bomb placed under a table near the disk jockey's booth exploded at 1:45 am CET killing instantly Nermin Hannay, a Turkish woman, and U.S. sergeant Kenneth T. Ford. A second American sergeant, James E. Goins, died from his injuries two months later. Some of the victims were left permanently disabled.[1]
Libya was held responsible for the bombing by the US government, and US President Ronald Reagan ordered retaliatory strikes on Tripoli and Benghazi in Libya ten days later. The strikes reportedly killed at least 15 people, including Colonel Qaddafi's daughter.[1]
A 2001 trial in the US found that the bombing had been "planned by the Libyan secret service and the Libyan Embassy."[1]

Libya was blamed for the bombing after telex messages had been intercepted from Libya to the Libyan East Berlin embassy congratulating them on a job well done.[2] U.S. President Ronald Reagan retaliated by ordering airstrikes against the Libyan capital of Tripoli and city of Benghazi (see Operation El Dorado Canyon). At least 15 civilians were killed[2][3][4] in the U.S. airstrikes on Libya, including a child described as leader Colonel Gaddafi's adopted 15-month old daughter, and more than 2000 were injured, including the then–three-year-old Khamis Gaddafi.[citation needed]

In spite of reports blaming Libya for the attack on the nightclub, no individual was officially accused of the bombing until the 1990 reunification of Germany and the subsequent opening up of the Stasi archives.[2] Stasi files led German prosecutor Detlev Mehlis to Musbah Abdulghasem Eter, a Libyan who had worked at the Libyan embassy in East Berlin. Stasi files listed him as an agent, and Mehlis said he was the Libyan spy agency's main contact at the embassy.[2]
Eter and four other suspects were arrested in 1996 in Lebanon, Italy, Greece and Berlin, and put on trial a year later. In 2001 Musbah Abdulghasem Eter, and two Palestinians, Yasser Mohammed Chreidi (or Yassar Al-Shuraidi or Yassir Chraidi) and Ali Chanaa were convicted in Berlin's Landgericht[5] of aiding in murder, and Chanaa's former German wife, Mrs Verena Chanaa, was convicted of murder. They were given sentences of 12 to 14 years in prison.[6]
Prosecutor Mehlis proved beyond reasonable doubt that the three men had assembled the bomb in the Chanaas' flat. The explosive was said to have been brought into West Berlin in a Libyan diplomatic bag.[7] Verena Chanaa and her sister, Andrea Haeusler, carried it into the La Belle in a travel bag and left five minutes before it exploded.[2] Ms Haeusler was acquitted because it could not be proved that she knew a bomb was in the bag...

So, there has been at least one Muslim terrorist attack in Germany.

[Musso]

do you have any sources about this claim?

Didn't Israel bomb weapon facilities of Assad and the rebels were happy about the Israeli bombings? Not to mention Israeli lobby supporting a strike on Assad.

[Methusalem]

You just gave me the opportunity to break even:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Berlin_discotheque_bombing



So, there has been at least one Muslim terrorist attack in Germany.

Where does it state that the bombings had a religious background? You could have also mentioned the Munich massacre during the 1972 Summer Olympics which had a political reason.

[ariel]

didn't israel bomb weapon facilities of assad and the rebels were happy about the israeli bombings? Not to mention israeli lobby supporting a strike on assad.

these weapons were in the way to hizbollah.

[Kiyant]

these weapons were in the way to hizbollah.

Which is a supporter/ally of Syria........
And automatically an enemy of the rebels.

[Musso]

these weapons were in the way to hizbollah.

Israel should hence take a neutral stance. On one side you have Iran/Hezbollah, on the other side you have al-Qaeda, and other Jihadists. Neither side is friendly to Israel, so it's best just to stay out of the conflict, unless Israel is affected by spillover fighting. The Israel Lobby, advocating for a military strike on Assad, doesn't help.

[ariel]

which is a supporter/ally of syria........
And automatically an enemy of the rebels.

the life is not only black and white my friend....

[Kiyant]

the life is not only black and white my friend....

This is quite true but you cant deny that Assads Syria is a fierce ally of Hezbollah and Iran.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Where does it state that the bombings had a religious background? You could have also mentioned the Munich massacre during the 1972 Summer Olympics which had a political reason.

Well, one of Gaddafis' many transformations was an Islamic one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi


...Ruling by decree, he implemented measures to remove what he viewed as foreign imperialist influence from Libya, and strengthened ties to Arab nationalist governments. Intent on pushing Libya toward "Islamic socialism", he introduced sharia as the basis for the legal system and nationalized the oil industry, using the increased revenues to bolster the military, implement social programs and fund revolutionary militants across the world...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism#Gaddafi.27s_version


In the early 1970s, Muammar Gaddafi, published his 'Islamic Socialism,' his version, fusing Islam, Arabism and Socialism, in the 'Green Book.'[6][7]
Heavily influenced by pan-Arab Egyptian leader, G. Abdul Nasser, the Green Book, was published in three parts (1975, 1977, 1978).[8] It served as the basis for the Islamic Legion.[9] Gaddafi's former mercenaries backed Uganda's Islamic dictator Idi Amin, and later on pushed a racist Arabist ideology in Sudan.[10] It has been alleged that Charles Taylor received military training in Libya,[11] under Ibrahim Bah, a Senegalese national, ex-Hezbollah, and Sierra Leone's RUF's General.[12] The RUF was influenced by Libyan leader Colonel Mu'ammar al-Qadhaff's amalgam of socialist-Islamic philosophies.[13]

[Musso]

No one is asking for the West and Israel to take the side of Assad. All I think the West should do is be neutral, support neither side, and only support in a humanitarian way the Syrian Christians that are suffering because of the jihadists. Israel has neither side to support, most they could do is offer support to any Syrian Jews that are still there, and beyond that I don't know what would be beneficial to them.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

100,000 Terrorists who have massacred Christians in Syria?

Why is it these are the ones the U.S.A has supported & funded against Assad!?

[Musso]

The Israelis here should read this:


Bertizlian, a Christian of Armenian origin, says he regularly spoke with foreign Islamic rebels while still in Syria. He says their stated goal is to topple Assad, whom they see as pro-Israel, as part of their larger crusade to reclaim Jerusalem.

http://www.rferl.org/content/syria-assad-interpreter-interview/25103146.html

[ariel]

Israel should hence take a neutral stance. On one side you have Iran/Hezbollah, on the other side you have al-Qaeda, and other Jihadists. Neither side is friendly to Israel, so it's best just to stay out of the conflict, unless Israel is affected by spillover fighting. The Israel Lobby, advocating for a military strike on Assad, doesn't help.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4430283,00.html

[Wolf]

Lol that's not even the point we are arguing now. I just gave you an example of rightwing terrorism within Germany.

To call a gang of criminals "terrorists" is a little bit overrated.



And rightwing terrorism within Germany had till now the most casualties than any 'Muzzlim' terror act. Actually there is not one single case of Muzzlim terror acts in Germany. AFAIK.

You're right, there're (still) no casulties due to Muslim terrorists in Germany, but there're casulties due to Muslim criminals. Where do we go from here?

[Shah-Jehan]

So this is what our little mermaids doing around here, collecting censuses on Syria:D

[ariel]

so this is what our little mermaids doing around here, collecting censuses on syria:d

i hope all these 100000 will die soon,

[Peikko]

To call a gang of criminals "terrorists" is a little bit overrated.




You're right, there're (still) no casulties due to Muslim terrorists in Germany, but there're casulties due to Muslim criminals. Where do we go from here?
:picard1: Oh man, are you still pretending to be German?

[Shah-Jehan]

i hope all these 100000 will die soon,

Mermaids have dreams like to walk on land but, dreams are dreams until they are reality...

[YeshAtid]

Mermaids have dreams like to walk on land but, dreams are dreams until they are reality...

I hope you're not the average Muslim:picard2:

[ariel]

mermaids have dreams like to walk on land but, dreams are dreams until they are reality...

dont worry my friend.

You really annoying person btw

[ariel]

I hope you're not the average Muslim:picard2:

YES HE IS

[Kiyant]

YES HE IS

Thanks for knowing me friend looks like when you become Muslim you suddenly become brown and think like a hivemind...............

[ariel]

thanks for knowing me friend looks like when you become muslim you suddenly become brown and think like a hivemind...............

shah jehan is a typical muslim person.

[Kiyant]

shah jehan is a typical muslim person.

You dont seem to know very much Muslims do you?
And no articles about Al quida and paki rapists in England doesnt count.

[Shah-Jehan]

You dont seem to know very much Muslims do you?
And no articles about Al quida and paki rapists in England doesnt count.

What can he do?There's no schools or universities under the ocean...

[Wolf]

:picard1: Oh man, are you still pretending to be German?

You're becoming a nuisance.

Are you such a crybaby?

[ariel]

you dont seem to know very much muslims do you?
And no articles about al quida and paki rapists in england doesnt count.

we have in israel more than 1000000 muslims. I know many muslims personaly.sadly.

[ariel]

What can he do?There's no schools or universities under the ocean...

what is your point?

[Kiyant]

we have in israel more than 1000000 muslims. I know many muslims personaly.sadly.
Looks like the wrong ones.
Also how did you come to the conclusion that suddenly all ethnicies that are muslims think the same?

[alb0zfinest]

Name

Is this where you got the influence for your name? :P
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Ariel_mermaid.jpg

[Shah-Jehan]

what is your point?

There's something "fishy" about you:lol:

[ariel]

Is this where you got the influence for your name? :P
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Ariel_mermaid.jpg

i dont think ariel sharon was so funny....

ariel have meaning in hebrew.

[Peikko]

You're becoming a nuisance.

Are you such a crybaby?
Maybe you have some reason to hide your true ethnicity, but you shouldn't make the Germans look bad.

[YeshAtid]

There's something "fishy" about you:lol:

:picard2:

[Prisoner Of Ice]

The analysis also said that a large number of extremists from foreign countries are active in Syria.

This is the part that gets me. Just let the rabble from a dozen countries constantly assault whoever they feel likeand tear down the whoe of civilization. Pure madness.

[Jackson]

This is the part that gets me. Just let the rabble from a dozen countries constantly assault whoever they feel likeand tear down the whoe of civilization. Pure madness.

Well the gangs cannot win now, unless they are continually funded and reinforced and this ends up purely a war of attrition. But they are just tools of more powerful third parties, and could never have got what they had wanted, especially as there are 1000 groups, it would just completely fragment the country.