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Anonymous211
09-18-2013, 12:47 AM
Classify Rima Fakih

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/929nin.com/files/2011/03/Rima-Fakih-1.jpg

http://ilarge.listal.com/image/3200474/936full-rima-fakih.jpg

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/999433_628247393874894_442014422_n.jpg

Sikeliot
09-18-2013, 01:58 AM
Looks like Vanessa Hudgens and Francesca Chillemi rolled into one.

YeshAtid
09-18-2013, 01:59 AM
Arabid

Anonymous211
09-18-2013, 02:00 AM
Arabid

Could pass Iran or Mexico ?

YeshAtid
09-18-2013, 02:04 AM
Could pass Iran or Mexico ?

no, too negroid

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 02:16 AM
Looks southern arab to me.

Edit: Apparently she is shia lebanese. Further proof lebanese muslims are not natives.

Smeagol
09-18-2013, 02:27 AM
Arabid.

Anthropologique
09-18-2013, 02:42 AM
Uber-Arabid.

Maleficent
09-18-2013, 02:45 AM
You guys are confused by her darker pigmentation/fake tan. She passes as EastMed/Levantine just fine, which is exactly what she is.

Rima:
http://img2-3.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/news/100531/rima-fakih-1-240.jpg

East Mediterranid phenotype:
http://imageshack.us/a/img829/3305/eastmediterranid.png

just
09-18-2013, 02:45 AM
Arabid.

Arabid women look beautiful to me, but she's not that..

YeshAtid
09-18-2013, 02:47 AM
She's predominantly arabid with some levantine

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 02:47 AM
You guys are confused by her darker pigmentation/fake tan. She passes as EastMed/Levantine just fine, which is exactly what she is.

Rima:
http://img2-3.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/news/100531/rima-fakih-1-240.jpg

East Mediterranid phenotype:
http://imageshack.us/a/img829/3305/eastmediterranid.png

She looks different in that pic to me, but still mostly arabid.

7eleven
09-18-2013, 02:49 AM
Arabid+Alpinid.

Maleficent
09-18-2013, 02:49 AM
Could pass Iran or Mexico ?

She can definitely pass in Iran before Mexico, lol. She doesn't look Iberian/Amerindian, she looks West Asian.

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 02:53 AM
She can definitely pass in Iran before Mexico, lol. She doesn't look Iberian/Amerindian, she looks West Asian.

I could downvote you too if I want. We could play that game. Go ahead try me.

http://images2.alphacoders.com/148/148062.jpg

Maleficent
09-18-2013, 02:55 AM
I could downvote you too if I want. We could play that game. Go ahead try me.

http://images2.alphacoders.com/148/148062.jpg

LOL

EDIT: I don't play favorites. If somebody I consider a friend writes something I disagree with, I will go ahead and thumb you down anyway. Tough cookie.

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 02:57 AM
http://i.qkme.me/3q7au5.jpg

7eleven
09-18-2013, 02:58 AM
LOL

EDIT: I don't play favorites. If somebody I consider a friend writes something I disagree with, I will go ahead and thumb you down anyway. Tough cookie.

Stop constantly giving me thumbs down you cunt. Or else im reporting you smelly Arab.

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 02:59 AM
Stop constantly giving me thumbs down you cunt. Or else im reporting you smelly Arab.

Shut the fuck up.



@FaerieQueen

Apologies to me. Now.

Edit: I'll take that thumbs up as an apology. Your lucky I'm going easy on you.

7eleven
09-18-2013, 03:04 AM
Shut the fuck up.



@FaerieQueen

Apologies to me. Now.

What did I do to you? Asswipe. Oh you think I hate Arabs? The only Arab I hate is FaerieQueen.

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 03:06 AM
What did I do to you? Asswipe. Oh you think I hate Arabs? The only Arab I hate is FaerieQueen.

Don't call her a cunt. While I was just joking around, I could tell you were serious.

7eleven
09-18-2013, 03:07 AM
Don't call her a cunt. While I was just joking around, I could tell you were serious.

You dont know her like I do, she really is a cunt.

Sikeliot
09-18-2013, 03:08 AM
You both need to stop.

Maleficent
09-18-2013, 03:11 AM
Looks southern arab to me.

Edit: Apparently she is shia lebanese. Further proof lebanese muslims are not natives.

Anyway, check this out:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE&type=view&gid=0&f=true&colid0=0&filterstr0=lebanese-muslim&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250

Only 21% Southwest Asian for Lebanese Muslims, according to Harappa. Doesn't seem too non-native to me.

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 03:55 AM
Anyway, check this out:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE&type=view&gid=0&f=true&colid0=0&filterstr0=lebanese-muslim&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250

Only 21% Southwest Asian for Lebanese Muslims, according to Harappa. Doesn't seem too non-native to me.

How on earth are they only 11% mediterranean? Also what is 45% Caucasian supposed to mean? Is it just unspecified euro-near easterner? Native Arameans would score much higher on Mediterranean. Even Assyrians would score higher on that front.

Stormer99
09-18-2013, 03:56 AM
But isn't Mediterranean centered amongst Sardinians?

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 03:58 AM
But isn't Mediterranean centered amongst Sardinians?

No idea, but when I remeber pm'ing an assyrian, maybe Zephyrousmandaru, and he would show me the percentages of assyrians for anatolian farmers, mediterranean farmers, and such.. similar to this.

Stormer99
09-18-2013, 03:59 AM
No idea, but when I remeber pm'ing an assyrian, maybe Zephyrousmandaru, and he would show me the percentages of assyrians for anatolian farmers, mediterranean farmers, and such.. similar to this.

I have seen Middle Easterners get the Mediterranean component. Is it from ancient migrations?

Maleficent
09-18-2013, 04:02 AM
How on earth are they only 11% mediterranean? Also what is 45% Caucasian supposed to mean? Is it just unspecified euro-near easterner? Native Arameans would score much higher on Mediterranean. Even Assyrians would score higher on that front.

Caucasian is Caucasus/WestAsian, which peaks in the Georgians of course. By the way, my dad has 43.27% Caucasian, 26.40% Southwest Asian, and 17.53% Mediterranean on that calculator. Here's the link so you can see the average for every ethnicity:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE&type=view&gid=0&f=true&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 04:04 AM
I have seen Middle Easterners get the Mediterranean component. Is it from ancient migrations?

Ancient migrations? Its hard to ascertain when we don't know the exact original genetic makeup of Canaanites, Arameans, or Mesopotamians. Some will say that Semitic is not a racial term and does not apply to these people racially, and that they were partially 'Mediterranean' so to speak. Or you can attribute the similarity between Sicilians and Near Easterners as a by-product of all the near eastern folk that made their way to Sicily at one time or another.

YeshAtid
09-18-2013, 04:06 AM
Ancient migrations? Its hard to ascertain when we don't know the exact original genetic makeup of Canaanites, Arameans, or Mesopotamians. Some will say that Semitic is not a racial term and does not apply to these people racially, and that they were partially 'Mediterranean' so to speak. Or you can attribute the similarity between Sicilians and Near Easterners as a by-product of all the near eastern folk that made their way to Sicily at one time or another.

Sicilians are very close to Azkhenazis

Maleficent
09-18-2013, 04:07 AM
But isn't Mediterranean centered amongst Sardinians?
Yes, the Mediterranean component peaks in Sardinians.

No idea, but when I remeber pm'ing an assyrian, maybe Zephyrousmandaru, and he would show me the percentages of assyrians for anatolian farmers, mediterranean farmers, and such.. similar to this.

I have seen Middle Easterners get the Mediterranean component. Is it from ancient migrations?
You guys need to pay attention. This is the HarappaWorld calculator. Middle Easterners get less of the Mediterranean component on this one and score it much higher on Eurogenes and Dodecad. It could also be the Baloch component interfering.

StonyArabia
09-18-2013, 04:08 AM
^ Lebanese Muslims don't seem much different from the Christians or the Druze for that matter.

YeshAtid
09-18-2013, 04:09 AM
^ Lebanese Muslims don't seem much different from the Christians or the Druze for that matter.

:picard2:http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2008/03/christian-and-muslim-lebanese-do-differ.html

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 04:14 AM
Caucasian is Caucasus/WestAsian, which peaks in the Georgians of course. By the way, my dad has 43.27% Caucasian, 26.40% Southwest Asian, and 17.53% Mediterranean on that calculator. Here's the link so you can see the average for every ethnicity:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE&type=view&gid=0&f=true&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250

If Caucasian peaks in the Caucasus and especially high in Iranians, then it must be indo-Iranian in origin....except that Assyrians aren't indo-iranian, and they are very high in caucasian. What do they use to determine what is 'Caucasian' or 'Mediterranean'?

What I took from their website:

Do note that the admixture components do not necessarily represent real ancestral populations. Also, the names I have chosen for the components should be thought of as mnemonics to ease discussion. I chose them based on which populations in my data these components peaked in. They do not tell anything directly about ancestral populations. The best way to look at these admixture results is by comparing individuals and populations.

Maleficent
09-18-2013, 04:15 AM
Sicilians are very close to Azkhenazis

The difference is Sicilians are the result of Romans mixing with Neolithic Farmers Middle Eastern immigrants thousands of years ago, and Ashkenazis are the result of Levantine Jews kicked out of Palestine by the Romans and intermixing with various Europeans within the last 2000 years.

YeshAtid
09-18-2013, 04:16 AM
The difference is Sicilians are the result of Romans mixing with Neolithic Farmers Middle Eastern immigrants thousands of years ago, and Ashkenazis are the result of Levantine Jews kicked out of Palestine by the Romans and intermixing with various Europeans within the last 2000 years.

Neolithic farmers from what part?

Maleficent
09-18-2013, 04:19 AM
If Caucasian peaks in the Caucasus and especially high in Iranians, then it must be indo-Iranian in origin....except that Assyrians aren't indo-iranian, and they are very high in caucasian. What do they use to determine what is 'Caucasian' or 'Mediterranean'?
I told you the Caucasian peaks in Georgian
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE&type=view&gid=0&f=true&colid0=0&filterstr0=georgian&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250
And the Mediterranean peaks in Sardinian
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE&type=view&gid=0&f=true&colid0=0&filterstr0=sardinian&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250

Maleficent
09-18-2013, 04:22 AM
Neolithic farmers from what part?

Most likely the Anatolia/Levant/Mesopotamia area. I don't think they were from far north in the Middle East such as Caucasus, or far east in the Middle East such as Persia, or far south in the Middle East such as Arabia.

ariel
09-18-2013, 04:54 AM
arabid.dosent look levantine at all.

Sikeliot
09-18-2013, 04:55 AM
The difference is Sicilians are the result of Romans mixing with Neolithic Farmers Middle Eastern immigrants thousands of years ago, and Ashkenazis are the result of Levantine Jews kicked out of Palestine by the Romans and intermixing with various Europeans within the last 2000 years.

You mean Italic, not Roman.

But, in general Sicilians are Neolithic Levantines, Italic, and ancient Greek for the most part.

ariel
09-18-2013, 04:57 AM
^ Lebanese Muslims don't seem much different from the Christians or the Druze for that matter.

The plots reveal a Levantine structure not reported previously: Lebanese Christians and all Druze cluster together, and Lebanese Muslims are extended towards Syrians, Palestinians, and Jordanians, which are close to Saudis and Bedouins


http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1003316

Stormer99
09-18-2013, 05:15 AM
Rima looks typical Lebanese to me actually.

Carlito's Way
09-18-2013, 05:16 AM
Rima looks typical Lebanese to me actually.

i agree once again with you!!!

Anonymous211
09-18-2013, 01:30 PM
no, too negroid

LoL you see negroid ?

ariel
09-18-2013, 01:46 PM
rima looks typical lebanese to me actually.

typical muslim lebanese

ariel
09-18-2013, 01:51 PM
SHE CAN COMPARED WITH THESE CHRISTIAN LEBANESE

http://imageshack.us/a/img31/817/howu.jpg

MarkyMark
09-18-2013, 08:25 PM
I told you the Caucasian peaks in Georgian
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE&type=view&gid=0&f=true&colid0=0&filterstr0=georgian&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250
And the Mediterranean peaks in Sardinian
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE&type=view&gid=0&f=true&colid0=0&filterstr0=sardinian&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250

Yes, but Georgians are partially Indo-Iranian and have some ancient scythian blood.

RMuller
09-19-2013, 10:32 PM
Could pass Iran or Mexico ?

Some Levantines can pass for Mexicans.

Rima was dating this Mexican-American baseball player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuC4T1juQgY

RMuller
09-19-2013, 11:16 PM
^ Lebanese Muslims don't seem much different from the Christians or the Druze for that matter.

My oldest brother had a friend in College that was Lebanese of Sunni Muslim origins, he had blue eyes and is the 'whitiest looking' Lebanese i have seen in person. His family were important members of society and politically important in Tripoli,Lebanon.
Funny how he was dating a Jewish girl who was adopted by Jews.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-20-2013, 03:07 AM
Shut the fuck up skinny bitch. All levantines have some degree of European in them. I live among levantine christians, and you among Mesopotamians. Therefore I don't care for your bullshit.

No they fucking don't dip shit, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat that lie. The data will always disagree with your confirmation bias, don't like it? Build a fucking bridge, and get over it! I'm not here to placate your motherfucking insecurities, or your inferiority complex.




I just lost it when I read that. You think that is cherry picked! Oh my god, you really are retarded.

Stop projecting dumb ass. AA100 is a troll, and is widely known to post cherry picked photo after cherry picked photo. All of single individuals and small groups, and even when he does post crowds. They're usually cropped pictures.

Vesuvian Sky
09-20-2013, 03:10 AM
Let's stay on topic. No OT flame wars.

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 03:13 AM
Let's stay on topic. No OT flame wars.

Thank you.

StonyArabia
09-20-2013, 03:17 AM
My oldest brother had a friend in College that was Lebanese of Sunni Muslim origins, he had blue eyes and is the 'whitiest looking' Lebanese i have seen in person. His family were important members of society and politically important in Tripoli,Lebanon.
Funny how he was dating a Jewish girl who was adopted by Jews.

Yes there is member called Tdot on anthroscape who is a Sunni Lebanese Muslim, his results were very typical and he was not much different than other Lebanese Christian otherwise. He also was very light pigmented. Like I have said religion does not alter a person genetics. There is no way a land from Morocco to Syria would be repopulated by Arabians, as Arabia was never densely populated. To say that Lebanese Muslims and Lebanese Christians are alien from each other is quite far fetched to say the least. The study that was done that gets keep being posted has many errors and flaws.

YeshAtid
09-20-2013, 03:21 AM
Yes there is member called Tdot on anthroscape who is a Sunni Lebanese Muslim, his results were very typical and he was not much different than other Lebanese Christian otherwise. He also was very light pigmented. Like I have said religion does not alter a person genetics. There is no way a land from Morocco to Syria would be repopulated by Arabians, as Arabia was never densely populated. To say that Lebanese Muslims and Lebanese Christians are alien from each other is quite far fetched to say the least. The study that was done that gets keep being posted has many errors and flaws.

http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2008/03/christian-and-muslim-lebanese-do-differ.html

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 03:21 AM
Yes there is member called Tdot on anthroscape who is a Sunni Lebanese Muslim, his results were very typical and he was not much different than other Lebanese Christian otherwise. He also was very light pigmented. Like I have said religion does not alter a person genetics. There is no way a land from Morocco to Syria would be repopulated by Arabians, as Arabia was never densely populated. To say that Lebanese Muslims and Lebanese Christians are alien from each other is quite far fetched to say the least. The study that was done that gets keep being posted has many errors and flaws.

But blue eyes and blond hair are not aramean features. These are European features, and thus he must have had some Byzantine in him like most Levantine Arabs. You have to also ask whether these are from maronites of aramean origin, maronites of ghassanid origin, or greek orthodox christians of byzantine arab origin. We don't know which christians they are testing.

StonyArabia
09-20-2013, 03:22 AM
But blue eyes and blond hair are not aramean features. These are European features, and thus he must have had some Byzantine in him like most Levantine Arabs.

True, there is many Arabs in the Levant who have Byzantine and even Crusader blood.

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 03:25 AM
True, there is many Arabs in the Levant who have Byzantine and even Crusader blood.

I updated that post.

Elms
09-20-2013, 03:39 AM
But blue eyes and blond hair are not aramean features. These are European features, and thus he must have had some Byzantine in him like most Levantine Arabs. You have to also ask whether these are from maronites of aramean origin, maronites of ghassanid origin, or greek orthodox christians of byzantine arab origin. We don't know which christians they are testing.

They are not exclusively European. I have hazel eyes, as does my brother, and my mom has blue eyes and I came back 100% Middle Eastern in McDonalds results.

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 03:51 AM
They are not exclusively European. I have hazel eyes, as does my brother, and my mom has blue eyes and I came back 100% Middle Eastern in McDonalds results.

You are of northern Iraqi heritage, correct? Of the people that have at some point inhabited Northern Mesopotamia are: Assyrians, Babylonians, Arameans, Persians, Gutians, Hurrian-Mitannians, Hittites, Greco-Romans, and Arabs.
The bold ones are of Indo-European heritage. You might have come back as 100% middle eastern, but to take genetic tests as the exact truth is foolish. Genetic tests usually only trace back around 500 years: http://www.iajgs.org/jgscv/pdf/GG%20Understanding%20Results%20Handout.pdf

Elms
09-20-2013, 03:57 AM
You are of northern Iraqi heritage, correct? Of the people that have at some point inhabited Northern Mesopotamia are: Assyrians, Babylonians, Arameans, Persians, Gutians, Hurrian-Mitannians, Hittites, Greco-Romans, and Arabs.
The bold ones are of Indo-European heritage. You might have come back as 100% middle eastern, but to take genetic tests as the exact truth is foolish. Genetic tests usually only trace back around 500 years: http://www.iajgs.org/jgscv/pdf/GG%20Understanding%20Results%20Handout.pdf

Besides Greco-Romans, none of those groups are European. People are not a language family.

I'm Iranian, Russian, and Iraqi Assyrian and Armenian.

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 04:00 AM
Besides Greco-Romans, none of those groups are European. People are not a language family.

I'm Iranian, Russian, and Iraqi Assyrian and Armenian.

They were very much related. Talk to any Iranian here about that if you don't believe it, but I'm not going to force that opinion on you.

Conte Mascetti
09-20-2013, 04:05 AM
Neolithic farmers from what part?
Mesopotamians, phoenicians, but above all greeks.

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 04:12 AM
Mesopotamians, phoenicians, but above all greeks.

In the middle east their was no such thing as Phoenecians as a distinct people. They were Canaanite city states clustered together. For all we know they could've referred to themselves as Hebrews or Arameans.

Elms
09-20-2013, 04:12 AM
They were very much related. Talk to any Iranian here about that if you don't believe it, but I'm not going to force that opinion on you.

Anatolian Greeks maybe, but not Romans. Europeans are influenced by us, not the other way around. Iranians are Middle Easterns and so are Armenians, as are Assyrians, and Levantines. Along with Turks, Mizrahim, and Azeri's. The only group that I consider somewhat different are Georgians. All of the groups I listed are Middle Eastern's or if preferred, West Asians.

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 04:18 AM
Anatolian Greeks maybe, but not Romans. Europeans are influenced by us, not the other way around. Iranians are Middle Easterns and so are Armenians, as are Assyrians, and Levantines. Along with Turks, Mizrahim, and Azeri's. The only group that I consider somewhat different are Georgians. All of the groups I listed are Middle Eastern's or if preferred West Asians.

Romans had plenty of Indo-European invaders, and many were germanic. Ask sikeliot. Also the Iranians have mixed with Arabs, and the Armenians have mixed with Iranians, and apparently Assyrians to some degree. The modern populations maybe considered middle eastern, but they are mixtures of people whose origins were sometimes native middle easterner and sometimes not native. There is not one group in the middle east that hasn't mixed with another, so to ignore the non-natives is a half developed thought.

Conte Mascetti
09-20-2013, 04:30 AM
In the middle east their was no such thing as Phoenecians as a distinct people. They were Canaanite city states clustered together. For all we know they could've referred to themselves as Hebrews or Arameans.

Anyway, they occupied only western Sicily and they were Carthaginians. Most of Sicilian Neolithic farmers were Greeks.

Elms
09-20-2013, 04:36 AM
Romans had plenty of Indo-European invaders, and many were germanic. Ask sikeliot. Also the Iranians have mixed with Arabs, and the Armenians have mixed with Iranians, and apparently Assyrians to some degree. The modern populations maybe considered middle eastern, but they are mixtures of people whose origins were sometimes native middle easterner and sometimes not native. There is not one group in the middle east that hasn't mixed with another, so to ignore the non-natives is a half developed thought.

I was saying Romans were the Europeans influenced by Middle Easterns, and Anatolian Greeks may or may not be completely European.(I don't know their genetics). I never said they weren't influenced by Germanic tribes.

Their identities no longer exist and they were Middle Eastern. Those old groups merged/absorbed to form the new groups(Armenians, Assyrians, Syrians, Iranians, Turks, etc.)

Iranians are pretty much descendants of the groups that lived in the same region. They still have the same phenotypes as their ancient statues. I don't think they have much if any Arabian ancestry, excluding the areas bordering southern Iraq.

You're the one implying that Middle Eastern's(excluding some Turks and people mixed with Circassians) have enough European admixture to make a difference in our appearances.

Elms
09-20-2013, 04:39 AM
Assyrians and Iraqi Jews have almost no northern European admixture and light eyes appear naturally.

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 10:17 PM
Anyway, they occupied only western Sicily and they were Carthaginians. Most of Sicilian Neolithic farmers were Greeks.

I don't understand if you are saying the Phoenecians are originally from Sicily or something else, but either way the phoenecians were canaanites(either of Hebrew or Aramean stock), that founded many colonies in the Mediterranean including Carthage.

Sikeliot
09-20-2013, 10:26 PM
I don't understand if you are saying the Phoenecians are originally from Sicily or something else, but either way the phoenecians were canaanites(either of Hebrew or Aramean stock), that founded many colonies in the Mediterranean including Carthage.


Sicily's Neolithic inhabitants were not Greeks, they were Elymians, Sicanians, and Sikels who spoke, respectively, Anatolian, non-Indo European, and Italic languages due to migrations from various directions that brought those languages. It is unknown what was spoken before that by the Neolithics.

Greeks settled Sicily well after the Neolithic, settling the southern and eastern part of the island as well as Enna. Phoenicians had the rest of the island (Trapani, Palermo, etc.)

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 10:28 PM
I was saying Romans were the Europeans influenced by Middle Easterns, and Anatolian Greeks may or may not be completely European.(I don't know their genetics). I never said they weren't influenced by Germanic tribes.

Their identities no longer exist and they were Middle Eastern. Those old groups merged/absorbed to form the new groups(Armenians, Assyrians, Syrians, Iranians, Turks, etc.)

Iranians are pretty much descendants of the groups that lived in the same region. They still have the same phenotypes as their ancient statues. I don't think they have much if any Arabian ancestry, excluding the areas bordering southern Iraq.

You're the one implying that Middle Eastern's(excluding some Turks and people mixed with Circassians) have enough European admixture to make a difference in our appearances.

Ahhh, well yes but it was mutual. How could you say that Romans mixed with M.E. people, making Romans partially M.E. but M.E. people not partially Roman? There were plenty of Byzantines in Syria and many mingled with the Ghassanids. Now when you refer to Europeans having M.E. heritage are you referring to the Neolithic agricultural revolution/spread?

Whose identities no longer exist? The Indo-European speakers? That's exactly why I'm trying to say we near easterners are of small partial Indo-European descent. It only takes seven generations of them mixing with natives to show up less than 1% European.

Give examples of typical Iranians resembling any ancient depictions. You can claim, but you must back it up with evidence.

If you think that the light features of some M.E. groups are not from Indo-Europeans then give me proof of an ancient document of some sorts showing that someone had blonde hair/blue eyes before any I.E. invasions.


Assyrians and Iraqi Jews have almost no northern European admixture and light eyes appear naturally.

Based off of genetic tests that usually go around 500 years back. Also, Northern European=/=Indo-European. Russians and Iranians are also Indo-European. As are the Scythian Ossetians.

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 10:29 PM
Sicily's Neolithic inhabitants were not Greeks, they were Elymians, Sicanians, and Sikels who spoke, respectively, Anatolian, non-Indo European, and Italic languages due to migrations from various directions that brought those languages. It is unknown what was spoken before that by the Neolithics.

Greeks settled Sicily well after the Neolithic, settling the southern and eastern part of the island as well as Enna. Phoenicians had the rest of the island (Trapani, Palermo, etc.)
If thats what he was trying to say, idk he why he brought that up. I was just pointing out Phoenecians are not an ethnicity as he stated, rather unspecified Canaanites
who never used the name Phoenecian to refer to themselves.

Sikeliot
09-20-2013, 10:47 PM
If thats what he was trying to say, idk he why he brought that up. I was just pointing out Phoenecians are not an ethnicity as he stated, rather unspecified Canaanites
who never used the name Phoenecian to refer to themselves.

What is interesting is most Sicilians cluster together genetically. So any differences that once existed have been wiped away by now. But still different phenotypical trends can be observed i.e. those from the coasts tend to be lighter due to slightly more Norman influence, and those in the mountainous inland areas have more Taurid influence.

Roy
09-20-2013, 10:51 PM
Arabid/East Med

MarkyMark
09-20-2013, 11:00 PM
What is interesting is most Sicilians cluster together genetically. So any differences that once existed have been wiped away by now. But still different phenotypical trends can be observed i.e. those from the coasts tend to be lighter due to slightly more Norman influence, and those in the mountainous inland areas have more Taurid influence.

Yeah, well I believe the same thing happened to Assyrians. They cluster together and are seemingly homogenous but their phenotype does not support that. These Assyrians here claim that they are naturally like that, however I do not think so.

Sikeliot
09-20-2013, 11:08 PM
Yeah, well I believe the same thing happened to Assyrians. They cluster together and are seemingly homogenous but their phenotype does not support that. These Assyrians here claim that they are naturally like that, however I do not think so.

Yeah like Sicilians from Enna and Caltanissetta in the inland are very Near Eastern looking, while people from the coasts are light. However, the eastern coast and Agrigento are very dark.

YeshAtid
12-19-2013, 11:54 PM
You dont know her like I do, she really is a cunt.

That's more than a tad harsh

YeshAtid
12-19-2013, 11:56 PM
SHE CAN COMPARED WITH THESE CHRISTIAN LEBANESE

http://imageshack.us/a/img31/817/howu.jpg

They're the true successors to the Phoenicians and the native inhabitants of the land

1stLightHorse
12-20-2013, 12:05 AM
Looks southern arab to me.

Edit: Apparently she is shia lebanese. Further proof lebanese muslims are not natives.

So where are they from then? When i was in Lebanon, shi'ites actually looked whiter than both Marounites and Sunnis.

ZephyrousMandaru
12-24-2013, 06:39 AM
Based off of genetic tests that usually go around 500 years back. Also, Northern European=/=Indo-European. Russians and Iranians are also Indo-European. As are the Scythian Ossetians.

ADMIXTURE tests do not have a time stamp, unlike Ancestry Composition shit for brains. They're both entirely different methods of DNA testing.

ZephyrousMandaru
12-24-2013, 06:46 AM
They're the true successors to the Phoenicians and the native inhabitants of the land

LOL, and they say OWD doesn't exist. Yet we have statements such as these uttered regularly. Apparently, not only does being lighter elevate your social status. It also, unarguably, lends more credence to one's indigeneity.

Gospodine
12-24-2013, 07:10 AM
There is Arabid in her but she's not exactly a textbook example of one. The nose isn't broadly fleshly and her nose bridge is barely perceivable, she's got very high cheekbones, and a heart-shaped face; that all points to significant Mediterranean input and some Alpinisation too.
Her make-up and overall style make her come across as a little more exotic than she actually is.

Very few pure Arabids could be taken as Hispanics and new world Mestizos.

Her pigmentation and maybe her hair texture are probably her most Arabid traits actually. She'd be far prettier if she didn't use so much make-up and whatnot.

Jinn
08-07-2014, 07:23 PM
Rima Fucki looks East Mediterranid