What will happen if EU collapses?

[Szegedist]

What do you think will happen when the EU collapses? How will Europe look afterwards?

[Corvus]

Its a likely scenario. First the Euro will collapse and the whole Union will follow soon.
National currencies will be reintroduced and the Schengen zone will be abolished.
Protectionism and nationalism will again be on the agenda. The whole "Europe belongs together"
attidute will be substituted by a new form of nationalism which could also lead to further major political disputes or even wars in the long run. The period of peace is at its last gasp.

[Rojava]

Capitalism will fall.

[Wolf]

What do you think will happen when the EU collapses? How will Europe look afterwards?

The same as before.



Its a likely scenario. First the Euro will collapse and the whole Union will follow soon.
National currencies will be reintroduced and the Schengen zone will be abolished.
Protectionism and nationalism will again be on the agenda. The whole "Europe belongs together"
attidute will be substituted by a new form of nationalism which could also lead to further major political disputes or even wars in the long run. The period of peace is at its last gasp.

In my opinion, the whole EU won't collapse. It's more likely that the EU of the future will be just smaller.

[Szegedist]

Its a likely scenario. First the Euro will collapse and the whole Union will follow soon.
National currencies will be reintroduced and the Schengen zone will be abolished.
Protectionism and nationalism will again be on the agenda. The whole "Europe belongs together"
attidute will be substituted by a new form of nationalism which could also lead to further major political disputes or even wars in the long run. The period of peace is at its last gasp.


I agree.

But I don't think the EU would give up so easily, and there definitely won't be the same opinion about it in every member state.

I think when the EU will sense its collapse, it will tighten its grasp and try to make some kind of federation, and I could imagine a conflict(political, maybe even military) between those who are for it, and those who are against it.

[TJames]

I'm not particularly knowledgeable for when it comes to these types of Scenarios. I think Europe or my country (The UK) would be better off if we didn't have the EU making all of our decisions for us, the only thing i really disagree with is this amazing idea called "Mass immigration" as half of the people don't even make the effort to integrate into the community. I can agree with Corvus that there would be a form of nationalism Government made in my country at least, not sure about the rest of Europe though. I find that being a nationalist myself in my country can be hard due to the constant abuse from other political party (or people) as they find it very easy to play the "Your a Racist card" or "You Nazi" to people like UKIP (the leading Right Wing party). Overall i would be pleased if the EU Dispanded although i doubt it will happen soon.

TJ

[Szegedist]

The same as before.


Don't you think that once EU is gone, there would be a rise of pan-nationalism (like Austria uniting with Germany) to compensate for it?

[Cristiano viejo]

If EU collapses, all countries that comprise it will be sovereign and it will return to govern their own country with their own laws, without relying on the Zionist multicultis (in many non-European cases such as Jews, Turks, Africans) currently ordering what we must do in Europe.

[Szegedist]

If EU collapses, all countries that comprise it will be sovereign and it will return to govern their own country with their own laws, without relying on the Zionist multicultis (in many non-European cases such as Jews, Turks, Africans) currently ordering what we must do in Europe.


Things are a lot more complex than "Once EU goes, we will all live happily ever after in peace".

Multiculturalism, liberalism exists in European countries that aren't part of the EU too.

You think quitting the EU will turn your government into goosetepping Nazis that kick out all immigrants they see?

[Wolf]

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Don't you think that once EU is gone, there would be a rise of pan-nationalism (like Austria uniting with Germany) to compensate for it?

Nationalism in Germany? :laugh:

Our government would do anything keep the Euro and the EU alive. That's why it's more likely that some members will have to leave in order to prevent a total collapse.

[Szegedist]

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Nationalism in Germany? :laugh:

Our government would do anything keep the Euro and the EU alive. That's why it's more likely that some members will have to leave in order to prevent a total collapse.

Maybe nationalism is not the word I was looking for, but more like unionism. (Germany+Austria, Czecho-Slovakia , etc).


And I agree Germany will be (and is) a key player in keeping EU alive, maybe later they will use force too.

[Wolf]

Maybe nationalism is not the word I was looking for, but more like unionism. (Germany+Austria, Czecho-Slovakia , etc).

No, there isn't any awareness for that.



And I agree Germany will be (and is) a key player in keeping EU alive, maybe later they will use force too.

I'm sure they will use force, esp. in Germany.


There are already efforts.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Gendarmerie_Force

[Acquisitor]

Capitalism will fall.

no, but socialism will, and this is what the EU is.

[Acquisitor]

If EU collapses, all countries that comprise it will be sovereign and it will return to govern their own country with their own laws, without relying on the Zionist multicultis (in many non-European cases such as Jews, Turks, Africans) currently ordering what we must do in Europe.

:rolleyes:

yes, Spanish failure is due to all those things.

[Szegedist]

In order to prevent the independent states of European even from the theoretical possibility of withdrawing from the new centralized structure, Brussels is aiming to destroy the states of Europe from the top by imposing tighter fiscal disciplines and transferring the management of economic policies into the hands of the European Commission, and from the "bottom" by undermining state control under the pretext of regionalism.

As a result, supporters of federalism have invented the concept of Euro-regions. According to this plan, each region would be made up by parts of different countries. The Euro-regions will have their own development programs and possess a significant degree of autonomy in order to escape from the control of national governments.


example of an Euroregion
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Lage_SaarLorLux.gif

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Its a likely scenario. First the Euro will collapse and the whole Union will follow soon.
National currencies will be reintroduced and the Schengen zone will be abolished.
Protectionism and nationalism will again be on the agenda. The whole "Europe belongs together"
attidute will be substituted by a new form of nationalism which could also lead to further major political disputes or even wars in the long run. The period of peace is at its last gasp.

As a final joke everyone gets to keep the 50 million people who flooded across their borders and will become rioters when the economy collapses.

[Acquisitor]

As a final joke everyone gets to keep the 50 million people who flooded across their borders and will become rioters when the economy collapses.

the EU expansion East of Germany was moronic ofc..

[Szegedist]

I also think the forint will become one of the strongest currencies in Europe.

/just kidding :P

But seriously, I think we will be in a slightly better position than many other countries, because we still have our own currency, our finances and government are more independent from Brussels than average EU member state and we are steadily improving economic relations with non-EU countries and "putting our eggs in many baskets".

It might also lead to more nationalism, especially in areas where we have minorities (South Slovakia, Szeklerland, etc) once Schengen goes.

[Shah-Jehan]

Capitalism will fall.

Too bad it will never happen:rolleyes:

Communism can't work alone in a nation...

[B01AB20]

:rolleyes:

yes, Spanish failure is due to all those things.

the spanish failure is due to corrupt and incompetent spnish politicians mainly, but...

if spain hadn't been in EU we hadn't had such a large economic growth in such a brief time, we hadn't had some many easy lends from EU banks, we hadn't had such a great housing bubble, we hadn't had such a massive immigration of third worlders and... others, and some others 'we hadn't had' I can think of... in another moment.

UE has been a curse for spain in the long run, I honestly think so, and I wish we were out or UE dissapears, whatever is more easy to get.

[ALSh]

What do you think will happen when the EU collapses? How will Europe look afterwards?

Its falling seems to be very far from happening. Even if euro is destoyed, that doesn't mean that EU will fall too. Remember that the EU existed even before the introduction of the euro.

If it falls, the countries will returt to protectionism and nationalism.

[Cristiano viejo]

:rolleyes:

yes, Spanish failure is due to all those things.

Dont doubt it even for a second.

[Rojava]

no, but socialism will, and this is what the EU is.

You're joking right? The EU itself was founded by Capitalists (or Far-Right politicians, they're all the same to me) and the EPP is anything but Socialist.

[Wolf]

You're joking right? The EU itself was founded by Capitalists (or Far-Right politicians, they're all the same to me) and the EPP is anything but Socialist.

Communitisation of depts sounds more socialist than capitalist.

[Acquisitor]

You're joking right? The EU itself was founded by Capitalists (or Far-Right politicians, they're all the same to me) and the EPP is anything but Socialist.

and these bad bad far right politicians raped Greece, right ?

[Nurr]

It will be best for all Europa country!!Couse EU is project of USA,,nothing will change after collapse EU...BECAUSE IT IS A COMMUNITY THAT IS BENEFITS ONLY GERMAN-I DONT LIKE EU

[Azamat]

I see lots of EU-bashing in this topic - many members foreseeing some kind of utopia unfold following the fall of the EU. What people don't realize is that much of Europe has been thoroughly de-industrialised since the advent of finance capitalism, and to the degree that an EU country is not dependent on East Asian goods(not just consumer goods, also essential industrial goods and raw materials) it is dependent on the few European countries that maintained a manufacturing base - amongst which Germany and France. A breakup of the EU would also mean the end of trade and send the economies of most European countries into ruin and shortages.


Communitisation of depts sounds more socialist than capitalist."Debt" is an alien concept to socialism. As "Κυαξάρης" said, the EU is capitalist. The "socialist" image of the EU portrayed by far-rightists is just a laughable attempt to conflate socialism with policies that have nothing to do with it so that socialism may be discredited for anything but its economic theory, which has great merit.


and these bad bad far right politicians raped Greece, right ?Golden Dawn are the Greek capitalist leadership's ally. There is nothing more convenient to the Greek bourgeoisie than a movement which imposes blame for Greece's economic problems not on their cause(the system and the leaders) but on its effects(immigrants), and which is good for nothing else than beating up immigrants on the street as a sick pastime. GD has been a perfect means for the Greek bourgeoisie to contain the dissatisfaction of Greeks with their government and channel it into something ridiculous, and harmless to their political power. That is why certain elements of the law appear to support Golden Dawn.

After all, the German and Italian bourgeoisie weren't harmed by the Nazi and Fascist ascents to power, so why should the Greek bourgeoisie vis-a-vis Golden Dawn? It's not like there will be a great qualitative change in Greek leadership if GD were to assume power, just some Kristallnacht's here and there, and everyone is happy.