How the Nordics of the E.U. are screwing up the agricultural European South in trade deals:

[Petros Houhoulis]

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/10/17/canada-trade-deal-with-eu-ceta-parma-ham_n_1015349.html


Canada Trade Deal With European Union: Parma Ham Likely Flashpoint In CETA Negotiations

Believe it or not, one of the crucial issues Canada and the EU must solve in their free trade negotiations comes down to some dried pork from Italy.

In most of the world, "Prosciutto di Parma" or "Parma Ham," is recognized as one of the highest quality hams, produced and naturally dried in the Parma region of Italy.

Prosciutto di Parma has a protected origin status in the EU; buyers in China, India and even in the United States, where the term is trademarked, recognize Parma Ham as being from Parma.

But in Canada, what is sold as Proscuitto di Parma and packaged with Italy's red, white and green colours is, in fact, Canadian ham produced by Maple Leaf Meats.

As the trademark owner in Canada, Maple Leaf has forbidden Parma ham producers from labelling their products Proscuitto di Parma.

Instead, the producers, who must abide by strict Italian rules regarding production and quality control, sell their Canadian exports as "Original Ham."

"For Italians, this is one of the major issues in CETA (the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement)," a EU Commission official closely linked to the Canada-EU trade talks told The Huffington Post.

EU negotiators are pushing to ensure Canada will recognize geographical indications (G.I.) to protect traditional products in an intellectual property right chapter.

"Canada is resisting. They do not agree and they would not like to talk about geographical indication. They say 'We can talk about geographical trademark,' " Federico Desimoni, a legal advisor with the Consortium of Parma Ham producers, told HuffPost in an interview from Italy.

The term "Parma" was registered in 1971 when Parma Ham exports were forbidden in Canada for sanitary reason -- a ban that was only lifted in 1997. Parma Ham producers have tried, unsuccessfully, to buy the trademark from Maple Leaf as well as sue the company but Canadian courts have ruled in Maple Leaf's favour.

Desimoni hopes CETA can establish a way for both producers to "co-exist" and allow Parma Ham producers to label their meat as being from Parma.

"To go to the courts is very long and expensive and we would prefer that the Canadian authorities express themselves in a firmer way in a bilateral agreement to say ... that if you use Parma Ham as an indication of source, you are not infringing the Parma trademark because you are simply saying where your product is made," Desimoni said.

"We are not infringing on Parma Ham trademark, we are using it as a G.I., so it is different."

Maple Leaf officials reclined a request for an interview.

http://canada.greekreporter.com/2013/09/05/feta-war-between-canada-and-greece/


FETA War Between Canada and Greece

Greece may have won the court battle to secure the exclusive name feta on a European level, but stands a chance of losing it around the world.

The risk of losing the European right for the exclusive use of the name feta, is due to Canada’s relentless trade war against Greece to win the label “feta” for its dairy products internationally.

That is the political conclusion reached on September 4 at a European Commission meeting in view of the forthcoming negotiations between the EU and Canada over a free trade agreement.

The committee reached a consensus considered rather harmful for Greece. The EU delegation will call on Canadians not to use the name Greek feta on their dairy products, allowing them however to use the label feta.

If the agreement with Canada is to be finalized, Canadians will be given the right to make cheese exports within the EU by using the name feta. Other major feta producing countries, such as Turkey could rely on Canada’s case demanding similar treatment regarding their future agreements with the EU.

Who said that the Nordics give a shit about the South? They just pack the negotiating teams with their own people, and then they sell us out. If you are Italy you are large enough to hold your ground for a bit longer. If you are Greece, you are simply fucked...

[alb0zfinest]

Bump, for the sake of starting a shit storm :D

[Petros Houhoulis]

I don't see a shitstorm. Maybe I should ask the administrators to move the thread to a more visible thread, maybe I should copy-paste the whole thread in a more visible thread too...

22 folks have seen the thread so far, and no Nordic votes or responses whatsoever...

...I have challenged Acquisitor to at least vote here and I can see that he is currently watching, but he dares not make a move...

...He only tried to dazzle me with crap in another thread.

P.S.

Solin finally decided to vote for the Nordics. The score is 1 vs 3 so far, no formal explanation for any vote except for mine...

[alb0zfinest]

I don't see a shitstorm. Maybe I should ask the administrators to move the thread to a more visible thread, maybe I should copy-paste the whole thread in a more visible thread too...

22 folks have seen the thread so far, and no Nordic votes or responses whatsoever...

...I have challenged Acquisitor to at least vote here and I can see that he is currently watching, but he dares not make a move...

...He only tried to dazzle me with crap in another thread.

P.S.

Solin finally decided to vote for the Nordics. The score is 1 vs 3 so far, no formal explanation for any vote except for mine...

Lol what does Acquisitor have to do with this?

[Windischer]

greeks and other southern europeans are gypsies


/shitstorm

[Petros Houhoulis]

Lol what does Acquisitor have to do with this?

Acquisitor comes in this thread and suggests that the whole Greek society is guilty for its' failure:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?94351-Europe-s-public-health-disaster-How-austerity-kills

...And then I create this thread to prove to him that the guilty were the Greek politicians (among other politicians from the South) who lost the ball against their Nordic counterparts in international trade deals, and I guess that internal legislation within the European parliament has undermined Southern interests, but I have to find evidence about this.

Funny story, this is one of the causes of the American civil war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_war#Protectionism


Protectionism
Main articles: King Cotton, Protectionism in the United States, and Infant industry

Historically, southern slave-holding states, because of their low cost manual labor, had little perceived need for mechanization, and supported having the right to sell cotton and purchase manufactured goods from any nation. Northern states, which had heavily invested in their still-nascent manufacturing, could not compete with the full-fledged industries of Europe in offering high prices for cotton imported from the South and low prices for manufactured exports in return. For this reason, northern manufacturing interests supported tariffs and protectionism while southern planters demanded free trade.
The Democrats in Congress, controlled by Southerners, wrote the tariff laws in the 1830s, 1840s, and 1850s, and kept reducing rates so that the 1857 rates were the lowest since 1816. The South had no complaints but the low rates angered Northern industrialists and factory workers, especially in Pennsylvania, who demanded protection for their growing iron industry. The Whigs and Republicans complained because they favored high tariffs to stimulate industrial growth, and Republicans called for an increase in tariffs in the 1860 election. The increases were finally enacted in 1861 after Southerners resigned their seats in Congress.[45][46]
Historians in the 1920s emphasized the tariff issue but since the 1950s they have minimized it, noting that few Southerners in 1860–61 said it was of central importance to them. Some secessionist documents do mention the tariff issue, though not nearly as often as the preservation of slavery.

Let's see how long shall the Nordics "play stupid" about it...

[Insuperable]

Nordics are screwing agricultural neolithics:rotfl: in agriculture

[Acquisitor]

Lol what does Acquisitor have to do with this?

absolutely nothing

[Acquisitor]

Acquisitor comes in this thread and suggests that the whole Greek society is guilty for its' failure:

...And then I create this thread to prove to him that the guilty were the Greek politicians (among other politicians from the South) who lost the ball against their Nordic counterparts in international trade deals, and I guess that internal legislation within the European parliament has undermined Southern interests, but I have to find evidence about this.
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politicians are a mirror of the society.

accept it

[Petros Houhoulis]

politicians are a mirror of the society.

accept it

Yes, politicians are a mirror of the society, and the Southerners are certainly more corrupt than the Nordics, but that does not mean that there were no Southerners who didn't try to level the playing field. It means that the South which was used to produce agricultural products because of a more suitable environment was screwed by the North due to absolute numbers difference between the two...

...Of course the way the South handled the whole issue (including France) with subsidies instead of promoting innovation in agriculture, and by not promoting the quality of its' products with enough aggression (because we know what sort of agricultural products Canada, Scandinavia and Great Britain produce: Rubbish) cannot be underestimated...

[Accountant]

EU negotiators are pushing to ensure Canada will recognize geographical indications (G.I.) to protect traditional products in an intellectual property right chapter.

So, what exactly is wrong in here?

Oh yeah, evul Nordis' always trying to keep da Suthern brotha down.

My vote would be:

"I am from the North of the E.U. and I just don't care."

[Petros Houhoulis]

Nordics are screwing agricultural neolithics:rotfl: in agriculture

The Nordics' agricultural output is still very low quality. They might have managed to turn agriculture into an industry, but their food barely has any taste at all...

[Petros Houhoulis]

So, what exactly is wrong in here?

Oh yeah, evul Nordis' always trying to keep da Suthern brotha down.

My vote would be:

"I am from the North of the E.U. and I just don't care."

I don't see any "brotha" anywhere. We are talking about an Economic and a Monetary Union here, with legislation of Epic proportions, not some shitty gangs from the other side of the Atlantic...

[Insuperable]

Yes, politicians are a mirror of the society, and the Southerners are certainly more corrupt than the Nordics, but that does not mean that there were no Southerners who didn't try to level the playing field. It means that the South which was used to produce agricultural products because of a more suitable environment was screwed by the North due to absolute numbers difference between the two...

...Of course the way the South handled the whole issue (including France) with subsidies instead of promoting innovation in agriculture, and by not promoting the quality of its' products with enough aggression (because we know what sort of agricultural products Canada, Scandinavia and Great Britain produce: Rubbish) cannot be underestimated...

It's because northerners are more uber

[Insuperable]

The Nordics' agricultural output is still very low quality. They might have managed to turn agriculture into an industry, but their food barely has any taste at all...

But you wrote


Of course the way the South handled the whole issue (including France) with subsidies instead of promoting innovation in agriculture[/B], and[B] by not promoting the quality of its' products with enough aggression

Wouldn't that mean that Nordic quality is better having innovation on mind?

[Petros Houhoulis]

But you wrote

Wouldn't that mean that Nordic quality is better having innovation in mind?

The Nordics had to use innovation in order to produce food in order to survive since they arrived where they live. In places like Scandinavia the main food source have been fisheries. Therefore the Nordics required innovation from the very beginning.

The Southerners did produce innovation: The agricultural revolution itself that was the main instrument of the transformation of the human race some thousand years ago, but since then they did not require much innovation to produce excellent crops. Yet the Southerners have been using more innovation in the cooking/serving of food than the Nordics, so it is not an inability to think, but different necessities that resulted to what we have now.

[Windischer]

yeah, sure, theres a whole conspiracy of "nordics" going on against poor southerners.
am not sure if this touchy petros fella knows what are those trade deals, but he certainly knows how to award me 7 thumb-downs in 3 seconds during his thumb-down spree, congrats on that.
also good luck with first making conclusions and then finding evidence, thats the only right method for any conspiracy theorist and idiot out there.

[Petros Houhoulis]

It's because northerners are more uber

The Northerners are better in terms of civilization. The Southerners are better in terms of culture. The North has been trying to import and produce culture for several decades now, but the results are horrifying:

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/ingrid-carlqvist/taking-sweden-back/


...And from right to left the politicians told us that there was no such thing as a Swedish culture, no Swedish traditions worth mentioning and that we Swedes should be grateful that so many people with REAL culture and REAL traditions came to us.

Mona Sahlin, a later leader of the Social Democrats, said in an interview [in] 2002 with the magazine Euroturk, when asked what Swedish culture is:

I’ve often had that question, but I can’t think of what Swedish culture is. I think that is what makes us Swedes so envious of immigrants. You have a culture, an identity, something that ties you together. What do we have? We have Midsummer’s Eve and such corny things...

Unfortunately the Swedes (and many other Nordics) couldn't be satisfied with what they had, and they sought for more, even in terms of culture... But Greed is bringing them down as well:


...In 1990 the authorities counted 3 exclusion areas in Sweden, suburbs where mostly immigrants live, where very few have a job to go to, almost all of them live by welfare and the children don’t pass their exams. In 2002 they counted 128 exclusion areas. In 2006 we had 156 and then they stopped counting. In some cities, like Malmö where I live, a third of all inhabitants live in an exclusion area...

...In the New Sweden we need armed police officers at our hospitals because rivalling families fight each other in the hospital rooms. They gun each other down in open streets and they rob and beat old people up. The crime rate grows by the minute, but the Swedish politicians and journalists tell us that it has absolutely nothing to do with immigration. The fact that our prisons are full of foreign people is just a coincidence or is explained by socio-economic factors...

...The situation in Sweden is far worse than in Denmark. In Sweden NOBODY talks about immigration problems, the death of the multiculti project or the Islamisation/Arabisation of Europe. If you do, you will immediately be called a racist, an Islamophobe or a Nazi. That is what I have been called since I founded the Free Press Society in Sweden. My name has been dragged through the dirt in big newspapers like Sydsvenskan, Svenska Dagbladet and even my own union paper, The Journalist...

We in the South have no alternative but to accept the hundreds of thousand of people who pose as refugees in our borders, but we don't exactly bring them in with flowers like the Nordics have been doing for decades. Neither do we hand them passports very easily...

[Insuperable]

The Northerners are better in terms of civilization

This is what matters the most and you admit that they are more uber. I also don't agree that Sweden doesn't have a culture.

[Petros Houhoulis]

yeah, sure, theres a whole conspiracy of "nordics" going on against poor southerners.
am not sure if this touchy petros fella knows what are those trade deals, but he certainly knows how to award me 7 thumb-downs in 3 seconds during his thumb-down spree, congrats on that.
also good luck with first making conclusions and then finding evidence, thats the only right method for any conspiracy theorist and idiot out there.

First of all, I have found some proof for my post. I shall keep searching for more, I never claimed something for which I was not sure. I might have speculated, but I I said I need evidence before a definite statement.

The worse though is that this whole "conspiracy" is not exactly a ploy from the average Nordic folk on the street. It is something pursued aggressively by Nordic companies through lobbying, while the average citizen has no idea of what is going on until it is too late. Even worse is that this stupidity shall eventually hurt the North too, and the North is already slowing down economically as a result of the stagnation of the South. I would rather call it "sheer stupidity" than "conspiracy"...

[Petros Houhoulis]

This is what matters the most and you admit that they are more uber. I also don't agree that Sweden doesn't have a culture.

No, there is not a single thing that matters over all others. If the NAZIs were better at organizing genocides (because this is what civilization ultimately is: Organization) that does not render them better. Furthermore if the likes of Hitler admired the Roman empire and its' ruins, his ability to turn Germany into ruins as well cannot be considered an achievement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruin_value


Ruin value (German: Ruinenwert) is the concept that a building be designed such that if it eventually collapsed, it would leave behind aesthetically pleasing ruins that would last far longer without any maintenance at all. The idea was pioneered by German architect Albert Speer while planning for the 1936 Summer Olympics and published as "The Theory of Ruin Value" (Die Ruinenwerttheorie), although he was not its original inventor. The intention did not stretch only to the eventual collapse of the buildings, but rather assumed such buildings were inherently better designed and more imposing during their period of use.
The idea was supported by Adolf Hitler, who planned for such ruins to be a symbol of the greatness of the Third Reich, just as Ancient Greek and Roman ruins were symbolic of those civilisations.

I hope that Angela Merkel is not a supporter of "Die Ruinenwerttheorie"...

[Insuperable]

No, there is not a single thing that matters over all others. If the NAZIs were better at organizing genocides (because this is what civilization ultimately is: Organization) that does not render them better. Furthermore if the likes of Hitler admired the Roman empire and its' ruins, his ability to turn Germany into ruins as well cannot be considered an achievement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruin_value





I hope that Angela Merkel is not a supporter of "Die Ruinenwerttheorie"...

You know what is meant by the civilization

[mr. logan]

They can shoot really filthy porn and label it Canadian Porn and distribute it.

[Petros Houhoulis]

They can shoot really filthy porn and label it Canadian Porn and distribute it.

We are expecting tourists from Canada every summer... The beaches and the bitches are hot 'round that time of the year...