Y-DNA haplogroups of Tuvans?

[Sky earth]

Does anyone know any genetical study about the Y-DNA haplogroups of Turkic Tuvans in the Tuva republic of Russia? I've searched for that a long time but I couldn't find anything about the haplogroups of Tuvans.

[ButlerKing]

Does anyone know any genetical study about the Y-DNA haplogroups of Turkic Tuvans in the Tuva republic of Russia? I've searched for that a long time but I couldn't find anything about the haplogroups of Tuvans.

The pie chart for Tuvan Y-DNA is broken so I only have mtDNA.

I remember they had two pie chart, one had 25% R1a, 38% Q, 20% C3, 10% N and smaller numbers of J, I


They also have 25% Caucasian maternal DNA but 75% Mongoloid maternal DNA

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/TuviniansN=36MT_DNA.gif

[Sky earth]

The pie chart for Tuvan Y-DNA is broken so I only have mtDNA.

I remember they had two pie chart, one had 25% R1a, 38% Q, 20% C3, 10% N and smaller numbers of J, I


They also have 25% Caucasian maternal DNA but 75% Mongoloid maternal DNA

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/TuviniansN=36MT_DNA.gif

25 % Caucasoid maternal DNA? I don't think so. This chart doesn't look like 25 % Caucasoid maternal DNA to me. I've also read one study about the mtDNA of Tuvans and there they had only 6 % Caucasoid mtDNA

[ButlerKing]

25 % Caucasoid maternal DNA? I don't think so. This chart doesn't look like 25 % Caucasoid maternal DNA to me. I've also read one study about the mtDNA of Tuvans and there they had only 6 % Caucasoid mtDNA

The OTHER include small percentages of lineages of mtDNA HV and K.

[Sky earth]

The OTHER include small percentages of lineages of mtDNA HV and K.

Where do you know that? And even when it still doesn't look like 25 % Caucasoid mtDNA. Tuvans have only 14 % Caucasoid admixture in aDNA

[ButlerKing]

Where do you know that? And even when it still doesn't look like 25 % Caucasoid mtDNA. Tuvans have only 14 % Caucasoid admixture in aDNA

I just remembered it from this study.

[Analysis of distribution of "mongoloid" haplogroups of mitochondrial DNA among indigenous population of the Tuva Republic].

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11517771

[Sky earth]

I just remembered it from this study.

[Analysis of distribution of "mongoloid" haplogroups of mitochondrial DNA among indigenous population of the Tuva Republic].

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11517771

Even if the other haplogroups were Caucasoid in the chart that you've posted it still doesn't look like 25 % but 10-15 %

[ButlerKing]

Even if the other haplogroups were Caucasoid in the chart that you've posted it still doesn't look like 25 % but 10-15 %

You're wrong man

http://www.claritynallergy.co.uk/images/youknow/dyk/pie_population2.jpg
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/TuviniansN=36MT_DNA.gif

[ButlerKing]

Even if the other haplogroups were Caucasoid in the chart that you've posted it still doesn't look like 25 % but 10-15 %

It's actually from this pie chart, but I don't understand why they didn't include Caucasoid mtDNA lineages

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/TuviniansN=458MT_DNA.gif


There should higher frequencies of U and H but also smaller frequencies of W, K , HV,

[ButlerKing]

Finally found a Y-DNA study!


Tuvans(Brigitte et al & Karafet et al. 2007)

3/55 = 5.5% C3-M217
5/55 = 9.1% C3c-M86
1/55 = 1.8% N-LLY22g
5/55 = 9.1% N-Tat
15/55 = 27.3% Q-P36
1/55 = 1.8% O-M122
9/55 = 16.4% Q-P36
4/55 = 7.3% R-M173
12/55 = 21.8% R1a-M17


I just want to mention


2/95 2.1% of W mtDNA
4/95 = 4.2% F mtDNA

[Sky earth]

Finally found a Y-DNA study!


Tuvans(Brigitte et al & Karafet et al. 2007)

3/55 = 5.5% C3-M217
5/55 = 9.1% C3c-M86
1/55 = 1.8% N-LLY22g
5/55 = 9.1% N-Tat
15/55 = 27.3% Q-P36
1/55 = 1.8% O-M122
9/55 = 16.4% Q-P36
4/55 = 7.3% R-M173
12/55 = 21.8% R1a-M17


I just want to mention


2/95 2.1% of W mtDNA
4/95 = 4.2% F mtDNA

Q and R1a as dominant haplogroups. Loooks good and typical for Turkic peoples

[Proto-Shaman]

Q and R1a as dominant haplogroups. Loooks good and typical for Turkic peoples
This is quite problematic for people with identity crisis like Artek who has the proto-Turkic P-M45 haplogroup.

[Artek]

This is quite problematic for people with identity crisis like Artek who has the proto-Turkic P-M45 haplogroup.
If you say so...let's embrace the TURAN and conquer the world again. All hail the Tengrism, it's the last hope against Islam.

[Proto-Shaman]

If you say so...let's embrace the TURAN and conquer the world again. All hail the Tengrism, it's the last hope against Islam.
No seriously, do you really believe P-M45 consisted only of IE's and Native Americans?

[Artek]

No seriously, do you really believe P-M45 consisted only of IE's and Native Americans?
No, it consisted Upper Paleolithic Eurasians.

[Proto-Shaman]

No, it consisted Upper Paleolithic Eurasians.
Nice circumscription, but not an accutate answer to my question. P-M45 originated among south-east Asians.

[Artek]

Nice circumscription, but not an accutate answer to my question. P-M45 originated among south-east Asians.
Probably. Still, R1a-Z93 was introduced by Indo-European speakers :). So what's the point of P-M45 having originated in Asia?

[Hevo]

Probably. Still, R1a-Z93 was introduced by Indo-European speakers :). So what's the point of P-M45 having originated in Asia?

Keep in mind that Ust'-Ishim has the haplogroup K-M526 so it's not certain if K-M526 and the derived P-M45 originated and diversified in Southeast Asia.

[Proto-Shaman]

Probably. Still, R1a-Z93 was introduced by Indo-European speakers :). So what's the point of P-M45 having originated in Asia?
The point is the existence of modern Turkic Z93-speakers, modern Z93-concentration, and modern Turkic P-M45-speakers. If there would not be Turkic R-speakers, Turks in general should not exist, that's the current deal among hypocritical westerners. Do you now understand your identity crisis? IE and Altaic do not even exist to begin with.