Post your Eurogenes K9b results

[Atlantic Islander]

K9b is available at Gedmatch.

Mine:

Southwest_Asian 5.81%
Native_American 0.82%
Northeast_Asian 1.12%
Mediterranean 29.85%
North_European 58.52%
Southeast_Asian 0.74%
Oceanian 0.64%
South_African 0.69%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.82%

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/8206/d618.png

[Sikeliot]

Can someone do mine if I send them my 23andme raw data? I can't do it on my computer :(

[Oneeye]

37654

[Philo]

Population
Southwest_Asian 17.84%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 0.30%
Mediterranean 41.36%
North_European 37.36%
Southeast_Asian 1.12%
Oceanian 0.64%
South_African 0.16%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.22%
http://oi40.tinypic.com/25iq9le.jpg

[Kazimiera]

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/katzentatzen79/Eurogenes/Untitled_zps66073005.png

[Sikeliot]

I am surprised I get so much Northern European. I really don't feel like I can pass in any Northern European country.. but I know it's my Polish side and my Portuguese giving most of it.


8.74% Southwest_Asian
0.64% Native_American
0.03% Northeast_Asian
31.67% Mediterranean
56.18% North_European
1.25% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Oceanian
0.92% South_African
0.57% Sub-Saharan_African

[YeshAtid]

What's your ancestry if I may?

[Jackson]

The southeast Asian permeating from my grandmother's side is interesting, as is the Sub-Saharan African for myself, although i'm unsure as to whether both are noise or not.

Myself:
Southwest_Asian 9.60%
Native_American 1.13%
Northeast_Asian 0.10%
Mediterranean 18.55%
North_European 67.34%
Southeast_Asian 1.14%
Oceanian 0.86%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 1.27%

Father:
Southwest_Asian 8.61%
Native_American 1.15%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 17.67%
North_European 69.64%
Southeast_Asian 2.18%
Oceanian 0.23%
South_African 0.28%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.25%

Grandfather:
Southwest_Asian 9.62%
Native_American 0.69%
Northeast_Asian 1.02%
Mediterranean 15.96%
North_European 70.47%
Southeast_Asian 1.58%
Oceanian -
South_African 0.33%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.32%

Grandmother:
Southwest_Asian 7.65%
Native_American 1.01%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 17.28%
North_European 70.54%
Southeast_Asian 2.55%
Oceanian 0.42%
South_African 0.55%
Sub-Saharan_African -

Mother:
Southwest_Asian 11.74%
Native_American 1.15%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 17.88%
North_European 66.35%
Southeast_Asian 0.95%
Oceanian 1.02%
South_African 0.29%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.62%

Aunt:
Southwest_Asian 10.04%
Native_American 2.12%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 16.52%
North_European 68.73%
Southeast_Asian 1.18%
Oceanian 0.93%
South_African 0.44%
Sub-Saharan_African -

-------------------
My phased paternal file:
Southwest_Asian 7.19%
Native_American 1.28%
Northeast_Asian 0.32%
Mediterranean 19.51%
North_European 68.72%
Southeast_Asian 1.97%
Oceanian -
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 1.01%

My phased maternal file:
Southwest_Asian 12.02%
Native_American 0.93%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 17.55%
North_European 65.89%
Southeast_Asian 0.22%
Oceanian 1.77%
South_African 0.51%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.11%

Father's phased paternal file:
Southwest_Asian 11.24%
Native_American 0.38%
Northeast_Asian 0.77%
Mediterranean 16.95%
North_European 68.43%
Southeast_Asian 1.52%
Oceanian 0.23%
South_African 0.20%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.28%

Father's phased maternal file:
Southwest_Asian 5.91%
Native_American 1.77%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 18.36%
North_European 70.93%
Southeast_Asian 2.26%
Oceanian 0.18%
South_African 0.40%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.20%

[Sikeliot]

Why are some Northern Europeans getting more SW Asian than I get?

[xajapa]

Population
Southwest_Asian 11.61%
Native_American 1.10%
Northeast_Asian 1.47%
Mediterranean 19.55%
North_European 65.14%
Southeast_Asian 0.13%
Oceanian 0.10%
South_African 0.89%
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Sikeliot]

Which component does the West Asian/Caucasus component go into here?

[Philo]

I'm Mediterranean champion so far, by far :P

[Kazimiera]

I have no idea where the 1.79% Native American is coming from. There is no way possible that it's real. Unless its some other Asian component coming up as that. :confused:

[Ibericus]

http://imageshack.us/a/img62/8603/csux.png

[Jackson]

Why are some Northern Europeans getting more SW Asian than I get?

I don't know. I'm pretty sure there is a bit of distant Italian or Italian-like ancestry on my mother's side, but even so my father's side get similar amounts to yourself and they are pretty typical. It's an interesting thing.

[Black Wolf]

Something seems rather strange with this calculator. Italians and Iberians scoring so high in the North_European component. That does not seem right compared to other calculators I have seen.

[xajapa]

Which component does the West Asian/Caucasus component go into here?

I would think the SW Asian, then Med.

[Jackson]

I have no idea where the 1.79% Native American is coming from. There is no way possible that it's real. Unless its some other Asian component coming up as that. :confused:

I think it's part of the European/north European - Native American connection that's been noticed before, probably from a very ancient connection. In a K=4 many people show around 8%+ Amerindian ancestry but they are just European.

[Sikeliot]

So very clearly, Iberians are more "Northern European" than "Mediterranean".
And have less SW Asian than me.

[Atlantic Islander]

Something seems rather strange with this calculator. Italians and Iberians scoring so high in the North_European component. That does not seem right compared to other calculators I have seen.

Western is lumped together with Northern in this one. It's the same run people posted over here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?93834-Geographic-Population-Structure-%28GPS%29-prediction) btw.

[MfA_]

You niggas bow to me, caucasian wog here:P

http://abload.de/img/desktop_2013_09_22_00jgcoc.png

[Gaston]

The Southwest Asian here is not the same as the one we're used too: it's more akin to West Asian this time. While the Mediterranean we have here is a proxy for the usual Southwest Asian + Mediterranean.

[Kazimiera]

I normally score a little higher on the Southeast Asian, and a little lower on the SSA but they are still realistic. But where could the Native American be from, if it isn't real?

[Sikeliot]

The Southwest Asian here is not the same as the one we're used too: it's more akin to West Asian this time. While the Mediterranean we have here is a proxy for the usual Southwest Asian + Mediterranean.

That makes less sense then.. why would a Brit score more West Asian than someone who is half Southern Italian?

[Black Wolf]

I normally score a little higher on the Southeast Asian, and a little lower on the SSA but they are still realistic. But where could the Native American be from, if it isn't real?

Could be noise.

[Gaston]

@ Sikeliot
The thing is, part of the West Asian is also in this Mediterranean component. It could also be detecting a different type of West Asian ancestry, like the Gedrosia kind.


I normally score a little higher on the Southeast Asian, and a little lower on the SSA but they are still realistic. But where could the Native American be from, if it isn't real?

Maybe this test detects better the Karitiana-like ancestry of Europeans (although only partially)? Check the other Euros, you're not alone in that case, I have 1.13% of it.

[Sikeliot]

Could be noise.

Run your grandfather's results. I am curious what a full southern Italian would get and how similar it is to Philo's score who is Sephardic.

[Black Wolf]

That makes less sense then.. why would a Brit score more West Asian than someone who is half Southern Italian?

Like I said some things just do not seem correct with this calculator. I just sent Polako and email about it. Hopefully he will reply.

[Oneeye]

I have no idea where the 1.79% Native American is coming from. There is no way possible that it's real. Unless its some other Asian component coming up as that. :confused:


It's ancient. For example, I have a bit of "Native American" on McDonald's admix, and when I asked him about it, he told me that he turned the sensitivity up to check it out, and concluded that if it was real that it would have to predate the 1500s...

I have the highest Native American here so far. But some more northeasterly members will probably have higher than me though, if they post.

[Sikeliot]

Here is my mother's. More North Euro, less Med, and more SSA than me.

7.10% Southwest_Asian
1.48% Native_American
1.02% Northeast_Asian
18.61% Mediterranean
68.04% North_European
0.91% Southeast_Asian
0.22% Oceanian
1.49% South_African
1.11% Sub-Saharan_African

[Black Wolf]

Run your grandfather's results. I am curious what a full southern Italian would get and how similar it is to Philo's score who is Sephardic.

Here they are. His North_European is incredibly high compared to other calculators.

JAXMAN's Paternal Grandfather:

Population
Southwest_Asian 19.46%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 41.56%
North_European 38.10%
Southeast_Asian 0.29%
Oceanian -
South_African 0.58%
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Sikeliot]

His results are very similar to Philo's, confirming that southern Italians are genetically similar to Jews.

Everyones' Northern European is high on this calculator. I get over half!

[Sikeliot]

Btw, what is "South African"? My mother scores more of it than SSA.

[Swearengen]

I normally score a little higher on the Southeast Asian, and a little lower on the SSA but they are still realistic. But where could the Native American be from, if it isn't real?

From what I understand, there was a proto-native american population in northern eurasia that contributed DNA to modern northern Europeans, which is why a lot of northern europeans score high on it (Russians 0.8% on average, Lithuanian and Swedish 0.6%). 1.8% sounds a bit dubious though.

[Black Wolf]

Here are mine. I am 25% Italian (Calabria region), 25% Finnish and 50% Irish/British Isles as far as I know.

Population
Southwest_Asian 11.96%
Native_American 1.84%
Northeast_Asian 2.60%
Mediterranean 17.10%
North_European 63.85%
Southeast_Asian 0.95%
Oceanian 0.86%
South_African 0.80%
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Kazimiera]

Btw, what is "South African"? My mother scores more of it than SSA.

That would be San (Bushman).

[Sikeliot]

That would be San (Bushman).

Why would my mother have that? Combined with her SSA, her black African is pretty high.. but she is part Cape Verdean, so I don't see why she'd have San admixture. Are we sure it's not Bantu/SW African?

Maybe she has Angolan on the Cape Verdean side, and that's why it shows up that way. I don't know.

[Philo]

Run your grandfather's results. I am curious what a full southern Italian would get and how similar it is to Philo's score who is Sephardic.

I'm Ashkenazi with probably Sephardic ancestry.

[Graham]

A rather 'noisey' calculator.Mine
07.28% - Southwest_Asian
01.34% - Native_American
00.63% - Northeast_Asian
14.65% - Mediterranean
72.77% - North_European
01.24% - Southeast_Asian
01.39% - Oceanian
00.69% - South_African
00.00% - Sub-Saharan_African
Dad
07.23% - Southwest_Asian
00.25% - Native_American
00.36% - Northeast_Asian
16.88% - Mediterranean
70.88% - North_European
02.35% - Southeast_Asian
01.01% - Oceanian
00.48% - South_African
00.56% - Sub-Saharan_African
Mum
09.05% - Southwest_Asian
01.33% - Native_American
01.06% - Northeast_Asian
14.65% - Mediterranean
71.71% - North_European
00.56% - Southeast_Asian
00.54% - Oceanian
01.10% -South_African
00.00% - Sub-Saharan_African

[Philo]

Here they are. His North_European is incredibly high compared to other calculators.

JAXMAN's Paternal Grandfather:

Population
Southwest_Asian 19.46%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 41.56%
North_European 38.10%
Southeast_Asian 0.29%
Oceanian -
South_African 0.58%
Sub-Saharan_African -

Full Sicilian? He's very similar to me.


EDIT: Nevermind I see he's from Calabria.

[Oneeye]

LOL, so I input the results from this test into that gpsNGG deal, and here are the results I got:



Based on the data that you have uploaded we have found that your ancestors came from Lithuanians origin. The region is marked on the map below as markers. Click on the markers to know the details. You may wish to bookmark this link to check again in future.


http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u399/hammer1115/GPSNGG_zpsb8e2eeee.png (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/hammer1115/media/GPSNGG_zpsb8e2eeee.png.html)

[Sikeliot]

Full Sicilian? He's very similar to me.


EDIT: Nevermind I see he's from Calabria.

Sicilians would be similar though, to both of you. Maybe with slightly less Northern European and slightly more SW Asian.

[Black Wolf]

This calculator probably makes the least amount of sense of any I have seen so far.

[Atlantic Islander]

His blog post for this calculator. (http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2013/09/coming-soon-geographic-population.html)

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/desktop_2013_09_22_02y6dqg.png

Anatolian Kurds' Eurogenes K9b Admixture Results And ''GPS'' (http://corduene.blogspot.com/2013/09/anatolian-kurds-eurogenes-k9b-admixture.html)

[Sikeliot]

I want to know why my mother has (given her ancestry) that much of the "South African" score. I doubt it's Khoisan/Bushmen because why would she have that?
I assume it's Bantu.

Cape Verdean slave traders got their slaves from West, not Southern Africa. So I am confused.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

http://oi43.tinypic.com/ndx9nt.jpg


Population
Southwest_Asian 34.37%
Native_American 1.43%
Northeast_Asian 6.45%
Mediterranean 32.74%
North_European 23.46%
Southeast_Asian 0.60%
Oceanian 0.30%
South_African 0.21%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.44%

[StarDS9]

Heres mine

Southwest_Asian 43.03%
Native_American 0.84%
Northeast_Asian 2.91%
Mediterranean 32.52%
North_European 20.09%
Southeast_Asian 0.33%
Oceanian -
South_African 0.28%
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Annihilus]

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/ann1h1lus/k9b.jpg

[Loki]

Interesting, I only get 0.18% South_African (whatever that is).

I assume it's Khoisanid.

[Sikeliot]

Interesting, I only get 0.18% South_African (whatever that is).

I assume it's Khoisanid.

Then why does my mom have it? I don't understand how that component could have made it to Cape Verde or Madeira.

Also mind you, she is only half Portuguese/Cape Verdean, so whatever she gets would increase by a factor of 2 with each generation.

[Loki]

Then why does my mom have it? I don't understand how that component could have made it to Cape Verde or Madeira.

Also mind you, she is only half Portuguese/Cape Verdean, so whatever she gets would increase by a factor of 2 with each generation.

I have no idea. Remember the Portuguese had two colonies in Southern Africa, namely Angola and Mozambique.

[Mark]

Mine:

Mediterranean - 41.84%
North_European - 39.73%
Southwest_Asian - 15.78%
---------------------------------------
Sub-Saharan_African - 1.28%
---------------------------------------
Northeast_Asian - 0.84%
Southeast_Asian - 0.41%
South_African - 0.12%
---------------------------------------
Native_American -
Oceanian -
---------------------------------------
http://i.imgur.com/rvMC1ii.png

[Sikeliot]

I have no idea. Remember the Portuguese had two colonies in Southern Africa, namely Angola and Mozambique.

That is true. So there might have been some slaves taken from there. I know Madeira had some Angolan slaves.

I found out that my 1/8 Cape Verdean did include recently settled Portuguese ancestors in addition to people who had always been Cape Verdean, so anything is possible.

[Mazik]

My results

North_European 71.58%
-------------------------
Mediterranean 9.34%
Southwest_Asian 8.96%
Southeast_Asian 3.63%
Northeast_Asian 2.85%
Native_American 1.37%
-------------------------
Oceanian 0.97%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.96%
South_African 0.33%


My grandpa

North_European 71.72%
-------------------------
Mediterranean 7.19%
Northeast_Asian 6.84%
Southwest_Asian 6.74%
Native_American 3.22%
South_African 1.48%
Southeast_Asian 1.02%
-------------------------
Sub-Saharan_African 0.92%
Oceanian 0.88%



weird results for us :p look at my grandpa's African % :confused:

[YeshAtid]

I'm skeptical about the high level of sw asian

[Atlantic Islander]

I don't have a very high opinion of the Geno 2.0 autosomal test, so it's not something I'll ever pay for. However, I just quickly put together a K=9 test that roughly approximates the Geno 2.0 analysis. It's a bit noisy...

[Sikeliot]

I am skeptical that North Europeans are getting any SSA.

[Loki]

I am skeptical that North Europeans are getting any SSA.

I think SSA is more easily detectible, so I wouldn't be skeptical about it.

Btw, hello Mazik my African brother! :thumb001:

[Patches]

Mine:
Population
Southwest_Asian 9.32%
Native_American 1.01%
Northeast_Asian 1.17%
Mediterranean 16.46%
North_European 68.87%
Southeast_Asian 1.02%
Oceanian -
South_African 0.35%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.81%

Got a little bit of everything...

[Mark]

LOL, so I input the results from this test into that gpsNGG deal, and here are the results I got:
I have tried it again but this time inputting the numbers from the K9b via Gedmatch. I still get either western Germany or central France.

[Jackson]

Why are some Northern Europeans getting more SW Asian than I get?

It could be that it includes some of the 'Gedrosia' component as well, that is quite high in NW Europe, and it would also include Caucasus which is higher in eastern and southeastern Europe. So where these are both fairly common in Europe it would be a bit higher than in some other places i guess.

[Kazimiera]

According to the GPS thingy, I'm from Lithuania. :)

[Equilibrium]

Keep in mind that this K9b was only made to emulate the Geno 2.0 test, so that the results can be used in the Geographic Population Structure (GPS) prediction tool. (http://mendel.fat.glam.ac.uk/projects/gpsNGG2/personal.php)

It's not really useful for anything else, since the components are quite different than the ones we are used to.

But ofcourse I couldn't resist testing with this calculator, too. :p



Mediterranean 35.64%
Southwest_Asian 33.43%
North_European 25.47%
Northeast_Asian 3.44%
Southeast_Asian 1.61%
Native_American 0.25%
Oceanian 0.17%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -



Heres mine

Southwest_Asian 43.03%
Native_American 0.84%
Northeast_Asian 2.91%
Mediterranean 32.52%
North_European 20.09%
Southeast_Asian 0.33%
Oceanian -
South_African 0.28%
Sub-Saharan_African -


Interesting, you score more Northeast-Asian + Native_American than me and Annihilus. Will you know embrace your Turkic roots? ;)

[SkyBurn]

Mine:

Southwest_Asian 16.59%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 1.14%
Mediterranean 38.62%
North_European 41.62%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.71%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 1.33%


1.33% SSA? That's more than I've gotten in any other calc

[Kazimiera]

Mine:

Southwest_Asian 16.59%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 1.14%
Mediterranean 38.62%
North_European 41.62%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.71%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 1.33%


1.33% SSA? That's more than I've gotten in any other calc

Likewise. I normally sit at 2%. 2.5% if it's really high. This calculator gave me 3.27%

[SkyBurn]

Likewise. I normally sit at 2%. 2.5% if it's really high. This calculator gave me 3.27%

I guess this just means that Aunt Hilda will love me 1.33% more.

Also that GPS program doesn't work well with Eurogenes K9b results; it put me in the Orcadian Islands :p

[Damião de Góis]

This one seems to be very different from the rest:

http://oi43.tinypic.com/168zthk.jpg

[Mazik]

According to the GPS thingy, I'm from Lithuania. :)

Puts me there too ;)

[Black Wolf]

I asked Polako about this calculator and here is his reply to me.

''It's not designed to show ancestry proportions. It's made for this...

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/coming-soon-geographic-population.html''

[Armatus]

Mine:

North European 64.70%
Mediterranean 23.48%
Southwest Asian 9.35%

This is noise:
Native American 1.24%
Sub Saharan African 0.65%
Oceanian 0.45%
South African 0.08%

[Thrax]

Southwest_Asian 18.74%
Native_American 0.15%
Northeast_Asian 0.51%
Mediterranean 33.87%
North_European 46.01%
Southeast_Asian 0.15%
Oceanian 0.56%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

[7eleven]

Mine:
Southwest_Asian 13.61%
Native_American 0.13%
Northeast_Asian 1.72%
Mediterranean 26.77%
North_European 55.03%
Southeast_Asian 0.88%
Oceanian -
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 1.86%

My mom's:
Southwest_Asian 16.58%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 0.65%
Mediterranean 39.21%
North_European 40.46%
Southeast_Asian 1.30%
Oceanian 0.31%
South_African 0.10%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.39%

phased paternal:
Southwest_Asian 11.73%
Native_American 0.85%
Northeast_Asian 3.88%
Mediterranean 17.75%
North_European 57.30%
Southeast_Asian 1.93%
Oceanian 0.45%
South_African 0.58%
Sub-Saharan_African 5.52%

[orangepulp]

Me:

Southwest_Asian 35.13%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 4.86%
Mediterranean 35.78%
North_European 24.23%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian -
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -


My aunt:

Southwest_Asian 37.33%
Native_American 0.17%
Northeast_Asian 0.55%
Mediterranean 40.03%
North_European 21.62%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.29%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

[StarDS9]

Well we cannot be sure if the East Asian score is due to Turkic influence or ancient Iranians that carried it to the Middle-East. But it could be due to Turkic influence. Mine is only little higher then the Kurdish average some other Kurds also get it high as well and some higher then me.


Keep in mind that this K9b was only made to emulate the Geno 2.0 test, so that the results can be used in the Geographic Population Structure (GPS) prediction tool. (http://mendel.fat.glam.ac.uk/projects/gpsNGG2/personal.php)

It's not really useful for anything else, since the components are quite different than the ones we are used to.

But ofcourse I couldn't resist testing with this calculator, too. :p



Mediterranean 35.64%
Southwest_Asian 33.43%
North_European 25.47%
Northeast_Asian 3.44%
Southeast_Asian 1.61%
Native_American 0.25%
Oceanian 0.17%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -





Interesting, you score more Northeast-Asian + Native_American than me and Annihilus. Will you know embrace your Turkic roots? ;)

[A1234567]

63.22% North European
17.94% Mediterranean
10.95% Southwest Asian
4.56% Northeast Asian
1.45% Sub-saharan African
1.13% Native American
0.45% Southeast Asian
0.31% Oceanian

I knew it! I think I'm gonna move to Fiji

[Alessio]

http://s20.postimg.org/6aamiprm1/Eurogenes_K9b.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6aamiprm1/)

[Atlantic Islander]

I don't know about k9b but this is Eurogenes k9


K9b is available at Gedmatch and over here. (http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/coming-soon-geographic-population.html)

[Anglojew]

In the 4 ancestors test (thanks Objectiverealist) I get the following results;




Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 9.295
2 Tuscan @ 12.323
3 Serbian @ 12.926
4 PT @ 13.027
5 RO @ 13.425
6 FR @ 14.033
7 AT @ 14.349
8 ES @ 15.234
9 HU @ 17.215
10 West_&_Central_German @ 18.199
78 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 2.847
2 50% IE +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.018
3 50% Cornish +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.168
4 50% AJ +50% Cornish @ 3.175
5 50% GR +50% IE @ 3.389
6 50% NL +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.405
7 50% GR +50% Orcadian @ 3.455
8 50% Scottish +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.519
9 50% Cornish +50% GR @ 3.634
10 50% GR +50% Scottish @ 3.670
3081 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +25% Mandean +25% West_&_Central_German @ 2.162
2 50% FR +25% Mandean +25% NL @ 2.210
3 50% FR +25% Cornish +25% Mandean @ 2.217
4 50% Cornish +25% IQ +25% North_Italian @ 2.319
5 50% Cornish +25% AJ +25% GR @ 2.477
6 50% FR +25% AT +25% Mandean @ 2.555
7 50% Cornish +25% Mandean +25% North_Italian @ 2.555
8 50% FR +25% English +25% Mandean @ 2.563
9 50% Cornish +25% AJ +25% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 2.606
10 50% ES +25% Assyrian +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.608
92502 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 ES + FR + Mandean + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 1.813
2 ES + FR + Mandean + NO @ 2.117
3 AT + Cornish + ES + Mandean @ 2.138
4 FR + FR + Mandean + West_&_Central_German @ 2.162
5 ES + FR + Mandean + NL @ 2.181
6 ES + FR + Mandean + West_&_Central_German @ 2.200
7 FR + FR + Mandean + NL @ 2.210
8 Cornish + FR + FR + Mandean @ 2.217
9 FR + Mandean + Orcadian + PT @ 2.245
10 Assyrian + ES + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.253
11 FR + Mandean + PT + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.258
12 Assyrian + AT + Cornish + ES @ 2.269
13 FR + IQ + North_Italian + Orcadian @ 2.294
14 Cornish + Cornish + IQ + North_Italian @ 2.319
15 AT + English + ES + Mandean @ 2.328
16 FR + IQ + North_Italian + Scottish @ 2.333
17 DK + ES + FR + Mandean @ 2.344
18 FR + Mandean + NL + PT @ 2.346
19 FR + IE + IQ + North_Italian @ 2.361
20 Cornish + ES + Mandean + West_&_Central_German @ 2.416

Can anyone shed some light on the results?

[Alessio]

yes i've corrected my mistake.


K9b is available at Gedmatch and over here. (http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/coming-soon-geographic-population.html)

[Alessio]

Your 2 populations approximations are a bit the same as mine.


In the 4 ancestors test (thanks Objectiverealist) I get the following results;




Can anyone shed some light on the results?

[Damião de Góis]

The GPS thing is not accurate at all. It put me in Poland...

[Mark]

The GPS thing is not accurate at all. It put me in Poland...
Yeah, it doesn't seem to be working for most people. It places me in France and western Germany.
I think it may be most accurate for people of NE European descent though.

[Anglojew]

The GPS thing is not accurate at all. It put me in Poland...

How do you do the GPS?

[Damião de Góis]

How do you do the GPS?

Put your results here. Make sure you put dot instead of comma for the decimal separator.

http://mendel.fat.glam.ac.uk/projects/gpsNGG2/personal.php

[Anglojew]

Put your results here. Make sure you put dot instead of comma for the decimal separator.

http://mendel.fat.glam.ac.uk/projects/gpsNGG2/personal.php

I plot in the exact centre of Lithuania. What does that mean?

[Black Wolf]

I plot in the exact centre of Lithuania. What does that mean?

It means that this analysis is inaccurate.

[7eleven]

Can anyone shed some light on the results?
You are about 3/4 West European 1/4 Mesopotamian according to this calculator. Most likely the Mesopotamian having to do with Israelites. Your results are sort of similar to mine except I am 3/4 West European 1/4 Levantine based on that same test.

[Anglojew]

You are about 3/4 West European 1/4 Mesopotamian according to this calculator. Most likely the Mesopotamian having to do with Israelites. Your results are sort of similar to mine except I am 3/4 West European 1/4 Levantine based on that same test.

Interesting. Yes. The Mandeans' descend from Judeans even though they're Iraqi.

[7eleven]

Interesting. Yes. The Mandeans' descend from Judeans even though they're Iraqi.
Here are my results:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% GR +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.575
2 50% GR +50% NO @ 5.647
3 50% DK +50% GR @ 5.656
4 50% South_&_Central_Swedish +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 6.182
5 50% North_Swedish +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 6.350
6 50% GR +50% North_Swedish @ 6.359
7 50% NO +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 6.466
8 50% DK +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 6.717
9 50% AJ +50% West_&_Central_German @ 6.731
10 50% GR +50% NL @ 6.809
3081 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% South_&_Central_Swedish +25% Druze +25% Tuscan @ 4.497
2 50% NO +25% Druze +25% Tuscan @ 4.704
3 50% South_&_Central_Swedish +25% Druze +25% North_Italian @ 5.222
4 50% North_Swedish +25% Druze +25% Tuscan @ 5.240
5 50% NO +25% Druze +25% North_Italian @ 5.330
6 50% English +25% Druze +25% Serbian @ 5.378
7 50% NL +25% Druze +25% Serbian @ 5.417
8 50% GR +25% DK +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.479
9 50% GR +25% South_&_Central_Swedish +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.575
10 50% South_&_Central_Swedish +25% GR +25% GR @ 5.575
113071 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Druze + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.497
2 Druze + NO + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.575
3 Druze + North_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.660
4 Druze + NO + NO + Tuscan @ 4.704
5 Druze + NO + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.709
6 DK + Druze + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 5.007
7 DK + Druze + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 5.016
8 DK + Druze + NO + Tuscan @ 5.171
9 Druze + North_Italian + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.222
10 Druze + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 5.240
11 Druze + NO + North_Italian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.253
12 Druze + NL + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 5.327
13 Druze + NO + NO + North_Italian @ 5.330
14 Druze + English + NL + Serbian @ 5.346
15 DK + Druze + English + Serbian @ 5.357
16 Druze + English + NO + Serbian @ 5.357
17 Druze + English + English + Serbian @ 5.378
18 DK + Druze + NL + Serbian @ 5.390
19 Druze + English + Serbian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.406
20 Druze + English + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 5.415


And here are my half English half Sephardi friend's results:

1 50% Cornish +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.951
2 50% IE +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.419
3 50% AJ +50% FR @ 4.540
4 50% Cornish +50% GR @ 4.726
5 50% Orcadian +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.762
6 50% FR +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.784
7 50% English +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.986
8 50% NL +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.989
9 50% GR +50% IE @ 5.045
10 50% Scottish +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.160
3081 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% ES +25% Armenian +25% West_&_Central_German @ 1.920
2 50% PT +25% Armenian +25% Cornish @ 1.966
3 50% PT +25% Armenian +25% Orcadian @ 2.109
4 50% ES +25% Armenian +25% NL @ 2.139
5 50% PT +25% Armenian +25% IE @ 2.154
6 50% FR +25% Assyrian +25% ES @ 2.196
7 50% PT +25% Armenian +25% Scottish @ 2.211
8 50% ES +25% Armenian +25% English @ 2.230
9 50% ES +25% Assyrian +25% NL @ 2.237
10 50% ES +25% Assyrian +25% West_&_Central_German @ 2.239
87326 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + ES + ES + West_&_Central_German @ 1.920
2 Armenian + ES + PT + West_&_Central_German @ 1.962
3 Armenian + Cornish + PT + PT @ 1.966
4 Armenian + English + ES + PT @ 2.032
5 Armenian + ES + NL + PT @ 2.048
6 Armenian + Cornish + ES + PT @ 2.098
7 Armenian + Orcadian + PT + PT @ 2.109
8 Assyrian + ES + IE + North_Italian @ 2.111
9 Armenian + ES + ES + NL @ 2.139
10 Armenian + IE + PT + PT @ 2.154
11 Assyrian + ES + IE + PT @ 2.175
12 Armenian + ES + Orcadian + PT @ 2.187
13 Assyrian + ES + FR + FR @ 2.196
14 Armenian + PT + PT + Scottish @ 2.211
15 Armenian + English + ES + ES @ 2.230
16 Assyrian + ES + ES + NL @ 2.237
17 Assyrian + ES + ES + West_&_Central_German @ 2.239
18 Armenian + English + PT + PT @ 2.259
19 Assyrian + French_Basque + NO + Tuscan @ 2.260
20 Assyrian + ES + Orcadian + PT @ 2.281

[Alessio]

Do I have to put the results from the Eurogenes K9b calculator in the gpsExpress ? It ain't working...

I see it's a dot instead of ,


Put your results here. Make sure you put dot instead of comma for the decimal separator.

http://mendel.fat.glam.ac.uk/projects/gpsNGG2/personal.php

[Alessio]

Me too, I was placed in Lithuania at first (1 reference population) and after putting 10 reference populations I was placed in Poland...

The GPS thing is not accurate at all. It put me in Poland...

[Alessio]

Me too..

According to the GPS thingy, I'm from Lithuania. :)

[Alessio]

I see this gps thing just sucks!!


Puts me there too ;)

[amerinese]

Me:

Southwest_Asian 7.42%
Native_American 2.41%
Northeast_Asian 16.32%
Mediterranean 14.14%
North_European 50.73%
Southeast_Asian 6.46%
Oceanian 1.70%
South_African 0.21%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.61%

Paternal grandmother:

Southwest_Asian 9.93%
Native_American 1.80%
Northeast_Asian 0.52%
Mediterranean 16.39%
North_European 67.15%
Southeast_Asian 2.41%
Oceanian 0.96%
South_African 0.44%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.41%

This and the K9 both seems noisy to me. My grandmother has less than 1% Native American and SSA on 23andMe AC speculative mode, so I expect to see some of that, even slightly inflated. I don't expect her to be showing 2.41% Southeast Asian. That's crazy talk.


I asked Polako about this calculator and here is his reply to me.

''It's not designed to show ancestry proportions. It's made for this...

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/coming-soon-geographic-population.html''

EDIT: Oh wait, is this even intended to be a proper admixture calculator, or just to calculate "pull" to certain map points? My grandmother's numbers drop her in Lithuania. I'm not going to bother with mine, because I know it'll dump me somewhere random in the middle of Eurasia.

[asingh]

Nice thread...!

[Ibericus]

The GPS thing is not accurate at all. It put me in Poland...
I also end up in Poland..

[Alessio]

This gps thing is a joke..:picard1:


I also end up in Poland..

[Maleficent]

FaerieQueene's Eurogenes K9b Admixture Proportions:

North_European 41.85%
Mediterranean 36.05%
Southwest_Asian 18.03%
Sub-Saharan_African 2.17%
Native_American 1.44%
Oceanian 0.38%
South_African 0.08%

FaerieQueene's Mother's Eurogenes K9b Admixture Proportions:

North_European 66.39%
Mediterranean 18.44%
Southwest_Asian 10.39%
Native_American 1.87%
Oceanian 0.93%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.88%
Northeast_Asian 0.65%
Southeast_Asian 0.45%

FaerieQueene's Father's Eurogenes K9b Admixture Proportions:

Mediterranean 53.78%
Southwest_Asian 24.98%
North_European 19.60%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.58%
South_African 0.05%

[Jonik]

Eurogenes K9b

Population
Southwest_Asian 8.98%
Native_American 2.37%
Northeast_Asian 2.94%
Mediterranean 8.01%
North_European 75.43%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.78%
South_African 0.61%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.88%

[Vesuvian Sky]

http://imageshack.com/a/img69/3835/t1ts.png

[Genn]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6337/s3bp.jpg

[Maleficent]

FaerieQueene's Eurogenes K9b Admixture Proportions:

North_European 41.85%
Mediterranean 36.05%
Southwest_Asian 18.03%
Sub-Saharan_African 2.17%
Native_American 1.44%
Oceanian 0.38%
South_African 0.08%

FaerieQueene's Mother's Eurogenes K9b Admixture Proportions:

North_European 66.39%
Mediterranean 18.44%
Southwest_Asian 10.39%
Native_American 1.87%
Oceanian 0.93%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.88%
Northeast_Asian 0.65%
Southeast_Asian 0.45%

FaerieQueene's Father's Eurogenes K9b Admixture Proportions:

Mediterranean 53.78%
Southwest_Asian 24.98%
North_European 19.60%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.58%
South_African 0.05%

My father has the highest Mediterranean on this calculator out of anyone in this thread.:cool:

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Population
Southwest_Asian 35.80%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 44.77%
North_European 19.15%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.25%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

North European is overinflated, not consistent with other results.

[Gaston]

Population
Southwest_Asian 35.80%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 44.77%
North_European 19.15%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.25%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

North European is overinflated, not consistent with other results.

I totally agree, there are even North Africans (non-Egyptians) who get 26-30% North European (!), even though unlike the Middle East (at least in the "purest" Semitic groups of Mesopotamia and Arabia + Caucasians) it's normal for them to score significant North Euro.

A reminder of Northern European % among some Europeans at Geno 2.0:
Sardinian 24%
Greek 28%
Tuscan 28%
Bulgarian 31%
Romanian 36%
Iberian 37%

[Qorgyle]

Southwest_Asian 16.22%
Native_American 0.69%
Northeast_Asian 4.09%
Mediterranean 15.76%
North_European 60.56%
Southeast_Asian 1.05%
Oceanian 0.11%
South_African 0.26%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.25%

So what's up with the southwest asian indicator? Could it be my Jewish ancestry?

[Gaston]

Southwest_Asian 16.22%
Native_American 0.69%
Northeast_Asian 4.09%
Mediterranean 15.76%
North_European 60.56%
Southeast_Asian 1.05%
Oceanian 0.11%
South_African 0.26%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.25%

So what's up with the southwest asian indicator? Could it be my Jewish ancestry?

Possibly, depends on how much of that ancestry you have versus other West Asian ancestries. Southwest Asian here is more similar to the usual West Asian or Caucasus than to the usual Southwest Asian.

[Philo]

Southwest_Asian 16.22%
Native_American 0.69%
Northeast_Asian 4.09%
Mediterranean 15.76%
North_European 60.56%
Southeast_Asian 1.05%
Oceanian 0.11%
South_African 0.26%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.25%

So what's up with the southwest asian indicator? Could it be my Jewish ancestry?

אתה חלק רוסי?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I am surprised I get so much Northern European. I really don't feel like I can pass in any Northern European country.. but I know it's my Polish side and my Portuguese giving most of it.


8.74% Southwest_Asian
0.64% Native_American
0.03% Northeast_Asian
31.67% Mediterranean
56.18% North_European
1.25% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Oceanian
0.92% South_African
0.57% Sub-Saharan_African

I have got also more Northern European then Mediterranean here..

[MfA_]

Southwest_Asian 16.22%
Native_American 0.69%
Northeast_Asian 4.09%
Mediterranean 15.76%
North_European 60.56%
Southeast_Asian 1.05%
Oceanian 0.11%
South_African 0.26%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.25%

So what's up with the southwest asian indicator? Could it be my Jewish ancestry?

This run is not the best for Southwest Asian signature.. You should try Eurogenes K15 or Dodecad K12b..

[Black Wolf]

This run is not really good for much honestly. It is for PCA type map analysis. The ADMIXTURE proportions should not be taken seriously.

[Qorgyle]

This run is not the best for Southwest Asian signature.. You should try Eurogenes K15 or Dodecad K12b..
K12b definitely makes a lot more sense, though I am getting something like 3%+ Siberian and 9% finnish but both are rather plausible.

אתה חלק רוסי?
כן, בנוסף לעוד כמה דברים. אמא שלי אשכנזייה משתי הצדדים אבל לפי השטויות האלו נראה כאילו אני בקושי רבע יהודי. נראה מה יהיה בתוצאות 23
andme של.

[Siberia62]

Southwest_Asian 11.99%
Native_American 0.37%
Northeast_Asian 0.18%
Mediterranean 23.16%
North_European 61.09%
Southeast_Asian 1.01%
Oceanian 1.08%
South_African 0.21%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.92%

[Mortimer]

Population
Southwest_Asian 25.45%
Native_American 1.13%
Northeast_Asian 1.63%
Mediterranean 23.67%
North_European 40.53%
Southeast_Asian 4.83%
Oceanian 2.06%
South_African 0.18%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.51%

[Longbowman]

Well, I keep mine in my sig.

But here:

40.56% MEDITTERANEAN
38.81% NORTHERN EUROPEAN
17.13% SOUTHWEST ASIAN
1.77% SUBSAHARAN AFRICAN
1.17% NORTHEAST ASIAN
0.55% NATIVE AMERICAN

[Wulf Talented]

Population
Southwest_Asian 8.40%
Native_American 1.56%
Northeast_Asian 0.70%
Mediterranean 15.93%
North_European 70.38%
Southeast_Asian 1.41%
Oceanian 0.79%
South_African 0.27%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.56%

[Jackson]

Me:
Southwest_Asian 9.60%
Native_American 1.13%
Northeast_Asian 0.10%
Mediterranean 18.55%
North_European 67.34%
Southeast_Asian 1.14%
Oceanian 0.86%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 1.27%

Father:
Southwest_Asian 8.61%
Native_American 1.15%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 17.67%
North_European 69.64%
Southeast_Asian 2.18%
Oceanian 0.23%
South_African 0.28%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.25%

Grandfather:
Southwest_Asian 9.62%
Native_American 0.69%
Northeast_Asian 1.02%
Mediterranean 15.96%
North_European 70.47%
Southeast_Asian 1.58%
Oceanian -
South_African 0.33%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.32%

Grandmother:
Southwest_Asian 7.65%
Native_American 1.01%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 17.28%
North_European 70.54%
Southeast_Asian 2.55%
Oceanian 0.42%
South_African 0.55%
Sub-Saharan_African -

Mother:
Southwest_Asian 11.74%
Native_American 1.15%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 17.88%
North_European 66.35%
Southeast_Asian 0.95%
Oceanian 1.02%
South_African 0.29%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.62%

Aunt:
Southwest_Asian 10.04%
Native_American 2.12%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 16.52%
North_European 68.73%
Southeast_Asian 1.18%
Oceanian 0.93%
South_African 0.44%
Sub-Saharan_African

[sonofthedutch]

Here we go

Southwest_Asian 7.27%
Native_American 0.24%
Northeast_Asian 0.55%
Mediterranean 17.48%
North_European 71.09%
Southeast_Asian 0.77%
Oceanian 1.16%
South_African 0.69%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.74

[Geni]

Eurogenes K9b
__________________
Population

North_European 49.81%
Mediterranean 33.69%
Southwest_Asian 14.49%
Southeast_Asian 1.17%

[cally]

<tbody>
Population



Southwest_Asian
13.16%


Native_American
-


Northeast_Asian
0.84%


Mediterranean
34.52%


North_European
50.94%


Southeast_Asian
-


Oceanian
0.19%


South_African
0.35%


Sub-Saharan_African
-

</tbody>

[Sea Warrior]

Southwest_Asian7.47%
Native_American1.06%
Northeast_Asian1.33%
Mediterranean17.84%
North_European70.34%
Southeast_Asian0.86%
Oceanian0.11%
South_African-
Sub-Saharan_African0.99%

[Mark]

Population

Mediterranean - 41.84%

North_European - 39.73%

Southwest_Asian - 15.78%
----------------------------------
Sub-Saharan_African 1.28%
----------------------------------
Northeast_Asian - 0.84%

Southeast_Asian - 0.41%

South_African - 0.12%
----------------------------------
Native_American -

Oceanian -
----------------------------------

[Atlantic Islander]

This run is not really good for much honestly. It is for PCA type map analysis. The ADMIXTURE proportions should not be taken seriously.

Yeah, it was meant to be used with that GPS thing, but that page is down now... probably because it wasn't plotting anyone in the correct spots.

[DanielJ1eH]

Population

Southwest_Asian 10.96%

Native_American 1.53% (This is extremely odd. No idea where that came from)

Northeast_Asian -

Mediterranean 31.92%

North_European 54.64%

Southeast_Asian -

Oceanian 0.66%

South_African 0.29%

Sub-Saharan_African -

[Stanley]

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee427/JH9020/k9b_zpsb87fbe63.png

[Nehellenia]

Population

Southwest_Asian 10.96%

Native_American 1.53% (This is extremely odd. No idea where that came from)

Northeast_Asian -

Mediterranean 31.92%

North_European 54.64%

Southeast_Asian -

Oceanian 0.66%

South_African 0.29%

Sub-Saharan_African -

You're Canadian, is it that odd to be a tiny bit Native American? :D

[DanielJ1eH]

You're Canadian, is it that odd to be a tiny bit Native American? :D
When your grandparents JUST arrived here, yes it is.

It's noise. I highly doubt I have Native ancestry and no other calculator has the same result. Doesn't show up on my 23andme ancestry composition either.

[HellLander87]

When your grandparents JUST arrived here, yes it is.

It's noise. I highly doubt I have Native ancestry and no other calculator has the same result. Doesn't show up on my 23andme ancestry composition either.

Southwest_Asian 10.96%

Native_American 1.53% (This is extremely odd. No idea where that came from)

Northeast_Asian -

Mediterranean 31.92%

North_European 54.64%

Southeast_Asian -

Oceanian 0.66%

South_African 0.29%

Sub-Saharan_African -

NOISE.The more the components the more noise you get.I ve seen greek results scoring amerindian or oceanian:)
Just for comparison with your results.
Southwest_Asian 12.10%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 1.28%
Mediterranean 31.52%
North_European 54.30%
Southeast_Asian 0.51%
Oceanian 0.29%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Longbowman]

When your grandparents JUST arrived here, yes it is.

It's noise. I highly doubt I have Native ancestry and no other calculator has the same result. Doesn't show up on my 23andme ancestry composition either.

Consistent 1.5-2% could be indicative of Native American-like North Asian/Siberian genetics. I get 'Native American' segments to my DNA according to McDonald and 23andme equating to about the same as yours but it just comes under the eastern European or perhaps Jewish segment of my ancestry. <5% isn't abnormal for a pure Easterner. We're talking pretty ancient (500 years+) admixture. General rule of thumb: once it gets to integer level, it isn't 'noise.'

[DanielJ1eH]

Consistent 1.5-2% could be indicative of Native American-like North Asian/Siberian genetics. I get 'Native American' segments to my DNA according to McDonald and 23andme equating to about the same as yours but it just comes under the eastern European or perhaps Jewish segment of my ancestry. <5% isn't abnormal for a pure Easterner. We're talking pretty ancient (500 years+) admixture. General rule of thumb: once it gets to integer level, it isn't 'noise.'
It's not consistent, as I said before. Neither SSA or East Asian is consistent on any calculator and doesn't show up on my Ancestry Composition either.

Anything that is "0.xx" is noise, is what I mean. even if it's 0.90/0.95. Especially when it doesn't show up on any other calculator.

[Longbowman]

It's not consistent, as I said before. Neither SSA or East Asian is consistent on any calculator and doesn't show up on my Ancestry Composition either.

Anything that is "0.xx" is noise, is what I mean. even if it's 0.90/0.95. Especially when it doesn't show up on any other calculator.

23andme's ancestry composition shows a snapshot of your ancestry from 500 years ago. If you're 100% Italian or Portuguese or AJ you'll have SSA in you, but that'd not show up on 23andme.

Do you usually get less than 1% Native American/Siberian/North Asian? Where's your family from?

[Yehiel]

Population
Southwest_Asian 10.35%
Native_American 1.18%
Northeast_Asian 0.80%
Mediterranean 19.52%
North_European 66.15%
Southeast_Asian 0.77%
Oceanian 0.06%
South_African 0.39%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.78%

[DanielJ1eH]

23andme's ancestry composition shows a snapshot of your ancestry from 500 years ago. If you're 100% Italian or Portuguese or AJ you'll have SSA in you, but that'd not show up on 23andme.

Do you usually get less than 1% Native American/Siberian/North Asian? Where's your family from?

....I don't have SSA. It doesn't show up on the Gedmatch calculators either. Or the Ancestry composition. You can't say I have something if all the proof is right in front of you.

23andme is very good at picking up SSA, and I scored 0%. Not all Italians or AJ or Portuguese people have SSA either.

[Longbowman]

....I don't have SSA. It doesn't show up on the Gedmatch calculators either. Or the Ancestry composition. You can't say I have something if all the proof is right in front of you.

23andme is very good at picking up SSA, and I scored 0%. Not all Italians or AJ or Portuguese people have SSA either.

:rolleyes:

Didn't say you did (at least, not notable amounts) though if asked to guess I would have said 'yes.' 23andme doesn't detect ancient admixture.

No one is pure Caucasian, you know. Even Icelanders have north Asian admixture.

[DanielJ1eH]

:rolleyes:

Didn't say you did (at least, not notable amounts) though if asked to guess I would have said 'yes.' 23andme doesn't detect ancient admixture.

No one is pure Caucasian, you know. Even Icelanders have north Asian admixture.
I don't think you understand. I don't have ANY. Zero. Z-E-R-O. Not even "non-notable" amounts.

I can prove it. I don't care what you "guess" since it's not FACT. 500 years is ancient. I am purely Caucasoid according you scientific proof..

[Nehellenia]

When your grandparents JUST arrived here, yes it is.

It's noise. I highly doubt I have Native ancestry and no other calculator has the same result. Doesn't show up on my 23andme ancestry composition either.

Well if it is just noise and i don't know you're an immigrant to Canada, which in any other sense it wouldn't be unusual, i don't see why i should be thumbed down for having an initial opinion :P

[HellLander87]

About the native american at this calculator here are some greek results scoring Native American.Don't overestimate the calculators guys.
Southwest_Asian 13.57%
Native_American 1.27%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 32.38%
North_European 52.27%
Southeast_Asian 0.31%
Oceanian -
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 0.20%

[DanielJ1eH]

Well if it is just noise and i don't know you're an immigrant to Canada, which in any other sense it wouldn't be unusual, i don't see why i should be thumbed down for having an initial opinion :P
Because it's rude. How would you like it if you got 0.95% Sub-Saharan or whatever and I called you a Negro?

[Longbowman]

Because it's rude. How would you like it if you got 0.95% Sub-Saharan or whatever and I called you a Negro?

How racist.

Furthermore no one's calling you a 'negro.' Firstly because we're not from the 1950s, but also because we don't thing <2% ancient SSA admixture (if you had it, which we are NOT saying you do) means you're black.

I've sent you the following email in response to your rather rude one, but I'll copy it here for everyone to read.


http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1001373

Maybe you're the odd one out? Thanks for the thumbs down - read what I say next time. I don't know your history because you haven't told me it, I was just speculating - but yes, all Europeans tested vis-a-vis ancient admixture will have a bit of Mongoloid or Negroid or both in them.

You may not see 'how it's possible' but a little Googling could have given you the answers.

Remember the Indo-Europeans spread from Asia 5,000 years ago and the Romans brought SSA peoples to Europe. Some individuals with haplogroup A, normally confined to Africa, have been found in Yorkshire, signifying their male-line descent from perhaps Roman-era slaves. (http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2007/01/sub-saharan-african-y-chromosome.html)

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they merit a thumbs-down. In this case, too, you're plainly wrong. Sorry.

With regards to the Asian admixture, here's the Harappa project populations averages you could play around with. (http://www.harappadna.org/2011/04/reference-3-admixture-k11/)

You are not a special snowflake. If you kept up to date with recent studies you'd know Europeans are speculated to be descended in part from a Native American-like population from ten thousand years ago. (http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6157/409.summary)

Don't get emotional about genetic data.

[DanielJ1eH]

How racist.

Furthermore no one's calling you a 'negro.' Firstly because we're not from the 1950s, but also because we don't thing <2% ancient SSA admixture (if you had it, which we are NOT saying you do) means you're black.

I've sent you the following email in response to your rather rude one, but I'll copy it here for everyone to read.



With regards to the Asian admixture, here's the Harappa project populations averages you could play around with. (http://www.harappadna.org/2011/04/reference-3-admixture-k11/)

You are not a special snowflake. If you kept up to date with recent studies you'd know Europeans are speculated to be descended in part from a Native American-like population from ten thousand years ago. (http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6157/409.summary)

Don't get emotional about genetic data.
Cry me a river because I turned out to be purely Caucasoid. I don't really care for your liberal version of science.

[Nehellenia]

Because it's rude. How would you like it if you got 0.95% Sub-Saharan or whatever and I called you a Negro?

I wouldn't care less, because i'm part Afrikaaner, i wouldn't even be surprised.

[Longbowman]

Cry me a river because I turned out to be purely Caucasoid. I don't really care for your liberal version of science.

Read the links. Especially the one about ancient Mongloid admixture.

Liberal version of science. You are a caricature. And your consistent thumbs-down suggest you're pretty insecure about this. Which is weird.

I know I'm superior. If someone told me I was 90% black I'd be surprised, but it wouldn't affect my self-image. I'd take it in stride. If your self-worth comes from your perceived ancestral limpieza de sangre that's pretty sad. What, would you have hanged yourself had you found out you were 5% black or whatever? Ridiculous.

Where is your family from, might I ask?

[Longbowman]

I wouldn't care less, because i'm part Afrikaaner, i wouldn't even be surprised.

Loki is 2% SSA, he's a full Boer though. You'd be less than that. I only score ancient non-Caucasoid (100% Caucasian on 23andme :rolleyes:), but that's to be expected from Eastern/Southern Europeans. Still I typically get 96-98% Caucasian even on GEDmatch. Proud of that little Siberian admixture though, just as I am of all of my ancestry. Who knows, that part could have carried the Superior Longbowman Gene.

[Longbowman]

About the native american at this calculator here are some greek results scoring Native American.Don't overestimate the calculators guys.
Southwest_Asian 13.57%
Native_American 1.27%
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 32.38%
North_European 52.27%
Southeast_Asian 0.31%
Oceanian -
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 0.20%

Native American here could be taken to mean ancient North Central Asian, as explained. 1.3% is too high to be noise. Frankly nothing is noise but 1.3% suggests 'serious' admixture and can't really be explained by genetic quirks or relics.

[DanielJ1eH]

Read the links. Especially the one about ancient Mongloid admixture.

Liberal version of science. You are a caricature. And your consistent thumbs-down suggest you're pretty insecure about this. Which is weird.

I know I'm superior. If someone told me I was 90% black I'd be surprised, but it wouldn't affect my self-image. I'd take it in stride. If your self-worth comes from your perceived ancestral limpieza de sangre that's pretty sad. What, would you have hanged yourself had you found out you were 5% black or whatever? Ridiculous.

Where is your family from, might I ask?
Insecure, what is there to be insecure about? I already got my results, and they confirm what I'm trying to tell to you. But apparently all Southern/Eastern Europeans have to have black blood, because they just do. If you don't see how stupid that sounds, I can't help you. You're a lost cause.

I already told you my ancestry. It's viewable in some of my threads.

[DanielJ1eH]

Native American here could be taken to mean ancient North Central Asian, as explained. 1.3% is too high to be noise. Frankly nothing is noise but 1.3% suggests 'serious' admixture and can't really be explained by genetic quirks or relics.
Well, that's must be what it is because there's no way that my recently arrived grandparents would've ever been able to have contact with the.

So now noise doesn't exist? LOL

[Nehellenia]

Loki is 2% SSA, he's a full Boer though. You'd be less than that. I only score ancient non-Caucasoid (100% Caucasian on 23andme :rolleyes:), but that's to be expected from Eastern/Southern Europeans. Still I typically get 96-98% Caucasian even on GEDmatch. Proud of that little Siberian admixture though, just as I am of all of my ancestry. Who knows, that part could have carried the Superior Longbowman Gene.

Loki is low for a full blood Afrikaaner, i've heard results as high as 7% for SSA. I'd be 0.5% if anything then, but so what.. :p having low results of mixed race doesn't mean anything, as there is no such thing as a pure raced person :)

[Mortimer]

Population
Southwest_Asian 25.45%
Native_American 1.13%
Northeast_Asian 1.63%
Mediterranean 23.67%
North_European 40.53%
Southeast_Asian 4.83%
Oceanian 2.06%
South_African 0.18%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.51%

[Longbowman]

Well, that's must be what it is because there's no way that my recently arrived grandparents would've ever been able to have contact with the.

So now noise doesn't exist? LOL

I've explained and provided sources to explain the concept of European mongoloid (Asiatic) ancestry but you seem to be unable to read.

No. It's just not as clear-cut as "1% = it's real, 0.99% is false and nothing and should be ignored." Noise is misunderstood.

[DanielJ1eH]

I've explained and provided sources to explain the concept of European mongoloid (Asiatic) ancestry but you seem to be unable to read.

No. It's just not as clear-cut as "1% = it's real, 0.99% is false and nothing and should be ignored." Noise is misunderstood.

Dear god. We're finished here. Talking with you about evidence is like talking to a brick wall.

[Longbowman]

Dear god. We're finished here. Talking with you about evidence is like talking to a brick wall.

Look, Dan, stop pretending you understand population genetics. Also stop pretending you know what evidence is, as it's been provided to you, you just haven't taken advantage of it.

[DanielJ1eH]

Look, Dan, stop pretending you understand population genetics. Also stop pretending you know what evidence is, as it's been provided to you, you just haven't taken advantage of it.
Where's your initial evidence of your claim that I had SSA ancestry? Still haven't provided it.

[Longbowman]

Where's your initial evidence of your claim that I had SSA ancestry? Still haven't provided it.

I NEVER SAID YOU DID. I don't know your genetics. I am speaking from a general European position. I don't even know where you're from. You are not, however, 100.00% Caucasoid dating back to Cro-Magnon times. That I know for sure.

[DanielJ1eH]

You are not, however, 100.00% Caucasoid dating back to Cro-Magnon times. That I know for sure.

Then who is?

*waits for him to say NORTHERN EUROPEANS ONLY!!!"

[Longbowman]

Then who is?

*waits for him to say NORTHERN EUROPEANS ONLY!!!"

No-one living.

The second sentence demonstrates your lack of having read fully my previous posts.

[HellLander87]

Native American here could be taken to mean ancient North Central Asian, as explained. 1.3% is too high to be noise. Frankly nothing is noise but 1.3% suggests 'serious' admixture and can't really be explained by genetic quirks or relics.
these are not my results btw.
Yup it may denote some sort distant siberian or finnish-like ancestry or other similar.It doesn't mean necessarily amerindian.But you have to understand that the model for assigning snps to a group is probabilistic and there is room for error there.I would take 2%> results with cautiousness.Rarely an snp is really like 100% european or east asian for example.Some minority european snps it's expected to show as other. 2%>results are outside the accuracy capability of the calculator.I don't say always dismiss them but it needs caution I think.:)
And for those who really care if they have any at all snps for non european or whatever groups it's probable if not certain that we all have some "outsider" chunks of dna from other groups out of 3.2*10^9 pairs of dna bases.Even if one nigger or mongol made it to europe and succesfully reproduced at ancient years most of us are his descendants today.But don't rely on a calculator to trace that.Take it as a certainty though.:D

[Longbowman]

these are not my results btw.
Yup it may denote some sort distant siberian or finnish-like ancestry or other similar.It doesn't mean necessarily amerindian.But you have to understand that the model for assigning snps to a group is probabilistic and there is room for error there.I would take 2%> results with cautiousness.Rarely an snp is really like 100% european or east asian for example.Some minority european snps it's expected to show as other. 2%>results are outside the accuracy capability of the calculator.I don't say always dismiss them but it needs caution I think.:)

<2% is too high. Dienekes and Polako suggest 1%. But bear in mind, 1% overall Finnic or whatever could be 20% on a certain chromosome. No one's going to score 100% European, natch.

Also 1% of 3.2 billion SNPs is a lot.

[Argang]

<2% is too high. Dienekes and Polako suggest 1%. But bear in mind, 1% overall Finnic or whatever could be 20% on a certain chromosome. No one's going to score 100% European, natch.

Also 1% of 3.2 billion SNPs is a lot.

Every european has a lot more than 1% in common with australian aboriginals, mbuti pygmies etc if comparison is on that scale. :)

Hobbyist calculators like EUTEST compare less than 200k SNP's. 23andMe uses an unknown amount for their ancestry composition, but since the total number of SNP's their v3 chip gets out of a genome is less than a million, it must also be relatively few SNP's that are selected because they belong to the minority that consistently differs between ethnic groups.

[Longbowman]

Every european has a lot more than 1% in common with australian aboriginals, mbuti pygmies etc if comparison is on that scale. :)

Hobbyist calculators like EUTEST compare less than 200k SNP's. 23andMe uses an unknown amount for their ancestry composition, but since the total number of SNP's their v3 chip gets out of a genome is less than a million, it must also be relatively few SNP's that are selected because they belong to the minority that consistently differs between ethnic groups.

Very true. But 1% of one million is 10,000, which is my point. It's not a couple of pieces of information they're attributing to ethnicity x, it's a hell of a lot. No-one checks 3.2 billion yet, it is true. And if they did they'd have to allow for all the SNPs that don't really differ by ethnicity. The general point is 1% is a lot. If 23andme says you're 0.1% West African or whatever, you probably are. 23andme is very conservative anyway.

[Graham]

When your grandparents JUST arrived here, yes it is.

It's noise. I highly doubt I have Native ancestry and no other calculator has the same result. Doesn't show up on my 23andme ancestry composition either.
1.5 is on the cuff for noise. Have seen things like that pop up in Brits who don't have Oceanic or Amerindian.

[Argang]

According to their own words, the ancestry composition is 90% accurate on conservative setting, but anything on speculative has 50% chance to be unreal. My guess is also that they use a similar amount SNP's to Eurogenes and Dodecad in the composition tool, not everything they have on the chip.

Their "gene comparison" tool is the one that, while not an "admixture analysis", measures similarity over the most SNP's, but there results for people analyzed with different types of chips(v2, v3 and v4) are not comparable with each other. If your friend Dan here for example was analyzed with v4, he only gets accurate results for comparing similarity with the three examples (japanese, chinese, nigerian), himself, and other people who were analyzed with v4. V4's are a minority at the moment (v3 was used till late 2013).

[Longbowman]

According to their own words, the ancestry composition is 90% accurate on conservative setting, but anything on speculative has 50% chance to be unreal. My guess is also that they use a similar amount SNP's to Eurogenes and Dodecad in the composition tool, not everything they have on the chip.

Their "gene comparison" tool is the one that, while not an "admixture analysis", measures similarity over the most SNP's, but there results for people analyzed with different types of chips(v2, v3 and v4) are not comparable with each other. If your friend Dan here for example was analyzed with v4, he only gets accurate results for comparing similarity with the three examples (japanese, chinese, nigerian), himself, and other people who were analyzed with v4. V4's are a minority at the moment (v3 was used till late 2013).

Well that's not quite true, of course. Furthermore there's a sliding scale. If on speculative you're 5% AJ that could be Iberian. It is unlikely to be Chinese. If you see what I mean.

Interesting about V4. Are they unrolling it to preexisting customers? Wasn't that the cause of the results shift a month or two ago?

[Longbowman]

1.5 is on the cuff for noise. Have seen things like that pop up in Brits who don't have Oceanic or Amerindian.

It doesn't mean they've got a Native GGG Grandparents, it means in their ethnicity there's a pool of presumably ancient Amerind-like blood.

Or maybe they do have a native GGG grandparent. Who knows.

[DanielJ1eH]

It doesn't mean they've got a Native GGG Grandparents, it means in their ethnicity there's a pool of presumably ancient Amerind-like blood.

Or maybe they do have a native GGG grandparent. Who knows.

Well, presumably doesn't mean fact. I have 0% Chink in me. I'm as Caucasoid as a Caucasoid could be.

"According to their own words, the ancestry composition is 90% accurate on conservative setting, but anything on speculative has 50% chance to be unreal." as somebody said before.

[Argang]

Well that's not quite true, of course. Furthermore there's a sliding scale. If on speculative you're 5% AJ that could be Iberian. It is unlikely to be Chinese. If you see what I mean.

Interesting about V4. Are they unrolling it to preexisting customers? Wasn't that the cause of the results shift a month or two ago?

If someone gets 5% AJ on speculative I'm quite certain he gets it on other settings, the tool is not THAT crude :D.

0.1% AJ that shows up only in speculative is unlikely to be Chinese, but could be almost any kind of european or MENA.

Pre-existing customers don't get v4 for free and don't necessarily need it. It's actually a downgrade from V3, with about 200k less SNP's which is why they get different genomewide comparison results. Dan and Valerio Tadici who got their results just recently are v4's, so their genomewide similarity results v. examples are comparable to each other but almost everyone else here is v3. I assume they changed the chip it to speed the genotyping process and cut costs.

They didn't get anywhere near using all V3 SNP's for either medical or ancestry purposes, so from their perspective that makes sense, and the v4's would not have lost anything related to medical SNP's in comparison to V3's - the trouble with feds affected every existing customer equally.

[Longbowman]

Well, presumably doesn't mean fact. I have 0% Chink in me. I'm as Caucasoid as a Caucasoid could be.

As explained this still wouldn't be 100% to the dot.


"According to their own words, the ancestry composition is 90% accurate on conservative setting, but anything on speculative has 50% chance to be unreal." as somebody said before.

That person was wrong (or to give them the benefit of the doubt, misleading). (https://www.23andme.com/ancestry_composition_guide/)

Here's what 23andme actually says:


We've built in three confidence thresholds to Ancestry Composition. These are Speculative (50 percent), Standard (75 percent), and Conservative (90 percent).

That means on Conservative the chances of your 5% Italian or whatever being Italian are 50%-75% assuming they don't appear in Standard. Those odds are better than even, but we can go further. The 5% Italian has a 50-75% chance of being Italian, but more like a 99-100% chance of being European. Coming up as Japanese might be a 'blip,' but it's not so much of a blip that it actually means you're British. Capisci?

[DanielJ1eH]

As explained this still wouldn't be 100% to the dot.



That person was wrong (or to give them the benefit of the doubt, misleading). (https://www.23andme.com/ancestry_composition_guide/)

Here's what 23andme actually says:



That means on Conservative the chances of your 5% Italian or whatever being Italian are 50%-75% assuming they don't appear in Standard. Those odds are better than even, but we can go further. The 5% Italian has a 50-75% chance of being Italian, but more like a 99-100% chance of being European. Coming up as Japanese might be a 'blip,' but it's not so much of a blip that it actually means you're British. Capisci?
HAHA!

I'm not arguing with a <0.1% showing up on ONE out of the three modes. I am 100%, but whatever.

[Longbowman]

[QUOTE]If someone gets 5% AJ on speculative I'm quite certain he gets it on other settings, the tool is not THAT crude :D.

Absolutely. Plus the AJ reference pop is exceptional. It was just an example.


0.1% AJ that shows up only in speculative is unlikely to be Chinese, but could be almost any kind of european or MENA.


We're arguing about East Asian/Native results, though :rolleyes: if you score 0.1% Native, you can't just say 'oh that's probably British.'


Pre-existing customers don't get v4 for free and don't necessarily need it. It's actually a downgrade from V3, with about 200k less SNP's which is why they get different genomewide comparison results. Dan and Valerio Tadici who got their results just recently are v4's, so their genomewide similarity results v. examples are comparable to each other but almost everyone else here is v3. I assume they changed the chip it to speed the genotyping process and cut costs.


Interesting. Regardless they do upgrade their results.


They didn't get anywhere near using all V3 SNP's for either medical or ancestry purposes, so from their perspective that makes sense, and the v4's would not have lost anything related to medical SNP's in comparison to V3's - the trouble with feds affected every existing customer equally.

Makes sense.

[Longbowman]

HAHA!

I'm not arguing with a <0.1% showing up on ONE out of the three modes. I am 100%, but whatever.

Mate, no one is 100%, as explained. As someone with Polish ancestry I would be unsurprised by very minor but comparatively recent (past half-millennium) low-level Asian admixture. Son of Genghis ;)

[DanielJ1eH]

Mate, no one is 100%, as explained. As someone with Polish ancestry I would be unsurprised by very minor but comparatively recent (past half-millennium) low-level Asian admixture. Son of Genghis ;)
Once again, I'm not arguing with you.

[Argang]

We're arguing about East Asian/Native results, though :rolleyes: if you score 0.1% Native, you can't just say 'oh that's probably British.'




<0.1% anything that shows up only in speculative could very likely be nonspecific to any population though. When 23andMe did the ancestry composition revamp some months ago, many people lost results like that and others saw them appear.

Their reality can and should be investigated further via other means, like the genomewide comparison tool. If you're an irishman with real amerindian, be it 0.1% or not, your similarity to Japanese and Chinese examples should be very slightly but consistently higher than that of irishmen with no amerindian at all.

[Longbowman]

<0.1% anything that shows up only in speculative could very likely be nonspecific to any population though. When 23andMe did the ancestry composition revamp some months ago, many people lost results like that and others saw them appear.

Their reality can and should be investigated further via other means, like the genomewide comparison tool. If you're an irishman with real amerindian, be it 0.1% or not, your similarity to Japanese and Chinese examples should be very slightly but consistently higher than that of irishmen with no amerindian at all.

I have 130 contacts, mostly relatives, of varying ethnicity on 23andme. The pure Westerners - the pure Brits, of which there are <10 score zero east asian and zero non-European. Amongst Easterners - Eastern Europeans, and Jews who indicate they're of Eastern extraction - there are consistent 0.1-0.3% Asian scores. It's not nothing. Perhaps 23andme should post self-declared population averages.

[DanielJ1eH]

I have 130 contacts, mostly relatives, of varying ethnicity on 23andme. The pure Westerners - the pure Brits, of which there are <10 score zero east asian and zero non-European. Amongst Easterners - Eastern Europeans, and Jews who indicate they're of Eastern extraction - there are consistent 0.1-0.3% Asian scores. It's not nothing. Perhaps 23andme should post self-declared population averages.
Just give it a rest.

Volga-Uralic is also Russian, btw. It's not East Asian. Mongoloids are East Asian. Not West-Central.

[DanielJ1eH]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

Caucasian race (also Caucasoid)[1] is the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia and South Asia.[2] The term was used in biological anthropology for many people from these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone.[3]

[Argang]

I have 130 contacts, mostly relatives, of varying ethnicity on 23andme. The pure Westerners - the pure Brits, of which there are <10 score zero east asian and zero non-European. Amongst Easterners - Eastern Europeans, and Jews who indicate they're of Eastern extraction - there are consistent 0.1-0.3% Asian scores. It's not nothing. Perhaps 23andme should post self-declared population averages.

Eastern euros are likely to be more eastern influenced than british, but 0.1% levels of non-european can show up in pure british islanders too, there are members on this forum who have that.

I still propose the genomewide comparison tool check for low levels of admixture that is only visible on speculative. I have a v3-tested match who scores <0.1 SSA @ speculative in ancestry comp, and she has 68.42% genomewide similarity to Example Nigerian. I share with dozens of v3-tested north euros who have no SSA, yet they have higher similarity scores with example nigerian (68.5x is quite typical). That's an example of a case where I strongly consider an ancestry composition result "noise".

[Longbowman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

Caucasian race (also Caucasoid)[1] is the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia and South Asia.[2] The term was used in biological anthropology for many people from these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone.[3]

Volga Finns are not Caucasian. They are heavily admixed, sure, but K36 Volga Finnic refers to the ancient 'pure' Uralic population anyway.

[DanielJ1eH]

Volga Finns are not Caucasian. They are heavily admixed, sure, but K36 Volga Finnic refers to the ancient 'pure' Uralic population anyway.

Ok, so it's finished. I'm fully Caucasoid.

[Longbowman]

Eastern euros are likely to be more eastern influenced than british, but 0.1% levels of non-european can show up in pure british islanders too, there are members on this forum who have that.

I still propose the genomewide comparison tool check for low levels of admixture that is only visible on speculative. I have a v3-tested match who scores <0.1 SSA @ speculative in ancestry comp, and she has 68.42% genomewide similarity to Example Nigerian. I share with dozens of v3-tested north euros who have no SSA, yet they have higher similarity scores with example nigerian (68.5x is quite typical). That's an example of a case where I strongly consider an ancestry composition result "noise".

Quel surprise, Britishers occasionally being 0.1% something else. If it's South Asian or SSA we've had significant populations of mainly male individuals on our shores for centuries. It's rarely noise. The SSA population of Liverpool and London were 20,000 people+ in the 1700s and the mainly married whites.

[DanielJ1eH]

Quel surprise, Britishers occasionally being 0.1% something else. If it's South Asian or SSA we've had significant populations of mainly male individuals on our shores for centuries. It's rarely noise. The SSA population of Liverpool and London were 20,000 people+ in the 1700s and the mainly married whites.

XD Jesus Christ.

[Longbowman]

Ok, so it's finished. I'm fully Caucasoid.

That's not what I said. Volga Finnic on K36 = Asiatic. 23andme also says you're sliiiiightly Asiatic. It's not a big deal. You're 1/4 Polish anyway, what did you expect? At least you're not French.

[Longbowman]

XD Jesus Christ.

Nothing wrong with having a Black GGGG grandparents :rolleyes:

[DanielJ1eH]

Nothing wrong with having a Black GGGG grandparents :rolleyes:

Black?

WTF. Where did you see THAT anywhere in my ancestry?

[DanielJ1eH]

That's not what I said. Volga Finnic on K36 = Asiatic. 23andme also says you're sliiiiightly Asiatic. It's not a big deal. You're 1/4 Polish anyway, what did you expect? At least you're not French.
I'm not Asiatic, but whatever. The 23andme "Speculative" version is wrong. Take into account that it VANISHES on Standard and Conservative and what do you know, I'm right.

[Longbowman]

Black?

WTF. Where did you see THAT anywhere in my ancestry?

NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT YOU. I was commenting generally. Christ Almighty.

[Longbowman]

I'm not Asiatic, but whatever. The 23andme "Speculative" version is wrong. Take into account that it VANISHES on Standard and Conservative and what do you know, I'm right.

Meaning that you're <20% British and Southern European? Cool.

We've been through this. You're in a state of total quasi-racist denial. Speculative mode is not inaccurate.

[Argang]

Volga Finns are not Caucasian. They are heavily admixed, sure, but K36 Volga Finnic refers to the ancient 'pure' Uralic population anyway.

K36 Volga-Ural is based on Chuvash, not any ancient population. The academic Chuvash samples Polako uses have about 75-25 west/east eurasian ratio on K13 which is probably the best calculator for checking that.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQUlVTRmxQdGpZdW8/edit?pli=1

[Longbowman]

K36 Volga-Ural is based on Chuvash, not any ancient population. The academic Chuvash samples Polako uses have about 75-25 west/east eurasian ratio on K13 which is probably the best calculator for checking that.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQUlVTRmxQdGpZdW8/edit?pli=1

Interesting. That ties in better with his 23andme, too, if we can attribute the Western Chuvash admixture to other populations. The K36 result was a little too high.

[DanielJ1eH]

Meaning that you're <20% British and Southern European? Cool.

We've been through this. You're in a state of total quasi-racist denial. Speculative mode is not inaccurate.
It is, but whatever. They call it "speculative" for a reason, look at the definition of the word. I'm not denying anything. I'm fully Caucasoid.

[Longbowman]

It is, but whatever. They call it "speculative" for a reason, look at the definition of the world. I'm not denying anything. I'm fully Caucasoid.

Look at the link I provided to see what they mean when they say 'speculative.'

[DanielJ1eH]

Here is my Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.65
2 West_Med 21.54
3 East_Med 20.86
4 Baltic 11.63
5 West_Asian 8.06
6 Red_Sea 1.26

[Longbowman]

Here is my Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.65
2 West_Med 21.54
3 East_Med 20.86
4 Baltic 11.63
5 West_Asian 8.06
6 Red_Sea 1.26

You showed me. K9?

[DanielJ1eH]

K9

Population
South Asian -
Caucasus 17.24%
Southwest Asian 6.88%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.45%
Siberian -
Mediterranean 36.51%
East Asian -
West African 0.15%
North European 38.77%

[Longbowman]

West African 0.15%

:rolleyes:

Negro.

[DanielJ1eH]

:rolleyes:

Negro.
0.15%?

I thought 23andme was the most accurate calculator according to you?

Now you're just TRYING to find anything you can.

[Longbowman]

0.15%?

I thought 23andme was the most accurate calculator according to you?

Now you're just TRYING to find anything you can.

Oh my God, I'm joking. Calm down!

[DanielJ1eH]

Oh my God, I'm joking. Calm down!

You'd think that if I was Mongoloid, the Siberian would show up, as well as an interger number in Arctic/North amerindian, but it doesn't.

[Argang]

Here's the populations for which K9 admixtures are based on:

South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest American natives
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
North European - Lithuania

[DanielJ1eH]

Here's the populations for which K9 admixtures are based on:

South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest American natives
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
North European - Lithuania
Yet none of the Eastern Asian ones show up for me. I win.

[Longbowman]

Yet none of the Eastern Asian ones show up for me. I win.

Yakuts aren't genetically dissimilar from Northwest Americans. In fact that's probably the group closest to them of the above.

[Graham]

Daniel what's you r ancestry? Just wandering.

It's down the South East somewhere, that I know.

[DanielJ1eH]

Well, I'm not a Yakut. It sounds as if the name was just randomly thrown in there out of error.

[DanielJ1eH]

Daniel what's you r ancestry? Just wandering.

It's down the South East somewhere, that I know.

Half Italian, Irish/English and Polish.

[Graham]

Your Italian pulls strongest. Why you have higher Med & Caucasus.

[Longbowman]

Well, I'm not a Yakut. It sounds as if the name was just randomly thrown in there out of error.

No, you're Canadian of British, Italian and Polish descent. 0.1% =/= being Yakut. Otherwise Loki is SSA 20 times over :laugh:

[Gaston]

Yet none of the Eastern Asian ones show up for me. I win.

I think you don't understand population genetics, the tools that are used to get these results and you didn't read the recent papers on the mixed ancestry of Europeans (and Middle Easterners and South African Hunter-Gatherers).

If you think "caucasian" (I guess you mean caucasoid) is being of West Eurasian stock, then I am sorry to tell you you are probably only 85 to 90 % West Eurasian at best, like most Europeans. And if we take into account the new Basal Eurasian signal (which has yet to be confirmed though) which is mostly through your heavily-Near Eastern admixed Italian side, you are even less West Eurasian than that.

Most people, if not all, today (and 2000 years ago) are the product of very divergent ancient populations genetically and phenotypically. Part of them were not clearly anywhere close to what we call caucasian/caucasoid today, some were not even light-skinned.

[DanielJ1eH]

No, you're Canadian of British, Italian and Polish descent. 0.1% =/= being Yakut. Otherwise Loki is SSA 20 times over :laugh:
I'm fully Caucasoid, then. As Caucasoid as one can get according to you.

[DanielJ1eH]

I think you don't understand population genetics, the tools that are used to get these results and you didn't read the recent papers on the mixed an estry of Europeans (and Middle Easterners and South African Hunter-Gatherers).

If you think "caucasian" (I guess you mean caucasoid) is being of West Eurasian stock, then I am sorry to tell you you are probably only 85 to 90 % West Eurasian at best, like most Europeans. And if we take into account the new Basal Eurasian signal (which has yet to be confirmed though) you are even less West Eurasian than that.

Most people, if not all, today (and 2000 years ago) are the prodcut of very divergent ancient people genetically and phenotypically. Part of them were not clearly not anywhere close to what we call caucasian/caucasoid today, some were not even light-skinned.
Alright, that's cool.

[Longbowman]

I'm fully Caucasoid, then. As Caucasoid as one can get according to you.

I never said anything otherwise.

[Longbowman]

Alright, that's cool.

I get 4 pages of whining and he gets 'alright, that's cool.'

Double standards. You Anglophobic? Jealous that the Queen's on your money? ;)

[Argang]

Yakuts aren't genetically dissimilar from Northwest Americans. In fact that's probably the group closest to them of the above.

Yeah, though I think 23andMe should have used Chukchi as their Siberian reference since they are more distinct than Yakuts who are essentially paleo-siberians with Turko-Altaic admixture. I have no idea if Polako included Eskimos in the North Amerindian and Arctic cluster (hence Arctic) because there's no sheet on the populations.

As a side note, the Bedouin sample of Eurogenes averages 9% East African + SSA at K13.

[Gaston]

Alright, that's cool.

Yes it is. So phenotypically, caucasoid people today are mostly of ancient West Eurasian descent but each have their own minor (but significant) admixtures. Even between Europeans, there are significant differences.

[Longbowman]

Yes it is. So phenotypically, caucasoid people today are mostly of ancient West Eurasian descent but each have their own minor (but significant) admixtures. Even between Europeans, there are significant differences.

Hence my earlier suggestion he check out these Harappa project population averages. (http://www.harappadna.org/2011/04/reference-3-admixture-k11/) They are pretty cool.

[DanielJ1eH]

Yes it is. So phenotypically, caucasoid people today are mostly of ancient West Eurasian descent but each have their own minor (but significant) admixtures. Even between Europeans, there are significant differences.
Oh, alright. So EVERY european has non-Caucasoid admixture. We all have different bits of non Caucasoid admixture, and it varies between Europeans?

That's basically what your saying. We all have a Mongoloid component. It's not so cut and dry as Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, 100% each?

[Longbowman]

Oh, alright. So EVERY european has non-Caucasoid admixture. We all have different bits of non Caucasoid admixture, and it varies between Europeans?

That's basically what your saying. We all have a Mongoloid component. It's not so cut and dry as Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, 100% each?

Yup.

[DanielJ1eH]

And if we take into account the new Basal Eurasian signal (which has yet to be confirmed though) which is mostly through your heavily-Near Eastern admixed Italian side, you are even less West Eurasian than that.

Most people, if not all, today (and 2000 years ago) are the product of very divergent ancient populations genetically and phenotypically. Part of them were not clearly anywhere close to what we call caucasian/caucasoid today, some were not even light-skinned.LOL, so at the end of the day, Caucasoids aren't so Caucasoid after all if I'm even less Eurasian than that.

[Gaston]

LOL, so at the end of the day, Caucasoids aren't so Caucasoid after all if I'm even less Eurasian than that.


Caucasoid populations still share the majority of their ancestry in a quite recent past, with each other. The only things that definitely change are the purity of races (which discards the definition of race altogether) and the continuity of modern populations in the land they are currently located: Europeans have no continuity with Cro-Magnon.

[Longbowman]

Caucasoid populations still share the majority of their ancestry in a quite recent past, with each other. The only things that definitely change are the purity of races (which discards the definition of race altogether) and the continuity of modern populations in the land they are currently located: Europeans have no continuity with Cro-Magnon.

This is true except for the Cro-Magnon part. Cro-Magnons were essentially early Europeans (and Caucasoids in general). European DNA, particularly YDNA has been completely rewritten BUT there is some continuity between Cro-Magnons and Europeans particularly along the mtDNA clades.

[Gaston]

This is true except for the Cro-Magnon part. Cro-Magnons were essentially early Europeans (and Caucasoids in general). European DNA, particularly YDNA has been completely rewritten BUT there is some continuity between Cro-Magnons and Europeans particularly along the mtDNA clades.

Partial continuity at best, yes. But calling them Europeans is borderline false although it's them who make modern Europeans European I agree (we would otherwise be just some displaced Near Easterners, which is not what we see). As for being Caucasoids, yes, Cro-Magnon people were already closest to what we call Caucasoid but modern Europeans are clearly of a different type (probably mixed with Cro-Magnon traits), much less robust notably.

[Longbowman]

Partial continuity at best, yes. But calling them Europeans is borderline false although it's them who make modern Europeans European I agree (we would otherwise be just some displaced Near Easterners, which is not what we see). As for being Caucasoids, yes, Cro-Magnon people were already closest to what we call Caucasoid but modern Europeans are clearly of a different type (probably mixed with Cro-Magnon traits), much less robust notably.

They were Europeans, of course. Contemporary Europeans are primarily descended from invaders. The true Europeans are dead :P

Nah, but of course, we look different, though not too different. But there's still some genetic continuity.

[fla88]

Southwest_Asian 11.01%
Native_American 0.71%
Northeast_Asian 1.14%
Mediterranean 31.48%
North_European 55.17%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.46%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Gaston]

By the way this test gives you much more Northern European than you would with the Genographic project. I've see one Cypriot and one Berber going from almost 30% Northern European (K9b) to around 10%: everything went to the Mediterranean component, over 60% for both with Genographic.

[Longbowman]

By the way this test gives you much more Northern European than you would with the Genographic project. I've see one Cypriot and one Berber going from almost 30% Northern European (K9b) to around 10%: everything went to the Mediterranean component, over 60% for both with Genographic.

There are more detailed calculators out there, true.

[DanielJ1eH]

I'm surprised at how high I scored on my N.Euro compared to Mediterranean.

Mediterranean 31.92%
North_European 54.64%

[Iloko]

Southwest_Asian 1.67%
Native_American 0.60%
Northeast_Asian 25.54%
Mediterranean 1.83%
North_European 2.14%
Southeast_Asian 66.23%
Oceanian 1.70%
South_African 0.29%
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Grace O'Malley]

Not sure if I have posted mine previously. If I have my apologies.

Population
Southwest_Asian 9.19%
Native_American 2.04%
Northeast_Asian 1.66%
Mediterranean 15.54%
North_European 71.00%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.35%
South_African 0.22%
Sub-Saharan_African -

Brother

Population
Southwest_Asian 10.08%
Native_American 1.53%
Northeast_Asian 2.15%
Mediterranean 13.27%
North_European 71.86%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.08%
South_African 1.03%
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Sikeliot]

Mother:

Population
North_European 67.99%
Mediterranean 18.50%
Southwest_Asian 7.13%
Native_American 1.59%
South_African 1.41%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.29%
Northeast_Asian 1.07%
Southeast_Asian 0.83%
Oceanian 0.21%


Me:

Population
North_European 56.18%
Mediterranean 31.67%
Southwest_Asian 8.74%
Southeast_Asian 1.28%
South_African 0.92%
Native_American 0.64%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.57%

[Petalpusher]

Population

North_European 67.72%
Mediterranean 23.50%
Southwest_Asian 6.20%
Northeast_Asian 1.37%
Southeast_Asian 0.78%
Native_American 0.43%
Oceanian -
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

[UO_norwegian]

Mine:
North_European 65.28%
Mediterranean 20.44%
Southwest_Asian 10.01%
Native_American 1.17%
Northeast_Asian 1.08%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.84%
Southeast_Asian 0.64%
Oceanian 0.54%

Paternal grandmother: (German, Irish, Czech, and English)
North_European 69.84%
Mediterranean 15.86%
Southwest_Asian 8.93%
Northeast_Asian 1.90%
Oceanian 1.37%
Native_American 1.12%
South_African 0.51%
Southeast_Asian 0.33%
Sub-Saharan_African 0.14%

Maternal grandmother: (Southern Italian, German, English, and Welsh)
North_European 54.83%
Mediterranean 28.49%
Southwest_Asian 13.05%
Native_American 1.53%
Sub-Saharan_African 1.21%
Southeast_Asian 0.89%

[Kelmendasi]

Population
Southwest_Asian 11.32
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 34.39
North_European 53.47
Southeast_Asian 0.74
Oceanian 0.05
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Hadouken]

Population
Southwest_Asian 40.28
Native_American 0.88
Northeast_Asian 2.65
Mediterranean 35.38
North_European 19.50
Southeast_Asian 0.15
Oceanian -
South_African 0.12
Sub-Saharan_African 1.04

[Dick]

Southwest_Asian 11.25
Native_American 0.43
Northeast_Asian 2.13
Mediterranean 23.42
North_European 62.23
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.51
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

[MercifulServant]

Population
Southwest_Asian 12.38
Native_American 0.45
Northeast_Asian 2.58
Mediterranean 23.50
North_European 60.71
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.38
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

[MysteriousWays]

Population
Southwest Asian 19.24
Native American 0.50
Northeast Asian -
Mediterranean 41.51
North European 35.70
Southeast Asian 1.58
Oceanian -
South African 0.19
Sub-Saharan African 1.18

[Rius]

Southwest_Asian 27.41
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 5.39
Mediterranean 31.14
North_European 33.65
Southeast_Asian 1.10
Oceanian -
South_African 1.32
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Thambi]

Population
Southwest_Asian 70.01
Native_American 1.01
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean -
North_European -
Southeast_Asian 19.81
Oceanian 6.06
South_African 0.38
Sub-Saharan_African 2.74

[Gangrel]

Population
Southwest_Asian 36.38
Native_American 0.15
Northeast_Asian 5.67
Mediterranean 33.32
North_European 21.58
Southeast_Asian 2.16
Oceanian 0.36
South_African 0.38
Sub-Saharan_African -

[silentkiller]

Now I can say da N-word to other African Americans:

Eurogenes K9b Admixture Proportions

Population
Southwest_Asian 11.75
Native_American 2.68
Northeast_Asian 5.08
Mediterranean 9.88
North_European 68.58
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 1.31
South_African 0.72
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Jackson78]

Southwest_Asian 11.90
Native_American 0.99
Northeast_Asian 1.73
Mediterranean 21.44
North_European 62.38
Southeast_Asian 0.92
Oceanian 0.43
South_African 0.21
Sub-Saharan_African

[Mingle]

Population
Southwest_Asian 58.62
Native_American 1.16
Northeast_Asian 0.84
Mediterranean 11.36
North_European 16.29
Southeast_Asian 8.86
Oceanian 2.01
South_African 0.11
Sub-Saharan_African 0.76

[Astarte]

Population
Southwest_Asian 24.58
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 45.27
North_European 28.58
Southeast_Asian 0.67
Oceanian -
South_African 0.91
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Ritz06]

More northern european than usual :confused:

Population

Southwest_Asian 25.06
Native_American 0.52
Northeast_Asian 3.23
Mediterranean 22.59
North_European 45.99
Southeast_Asian 2.01
Oceanian -
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African

[MercifulServant]

edited

[oszkar07]

Population
Southwest_Asian 9.04
Native_American 0.40
Northeast_Asian 3.15
Mediterranean 17.88
North_European 68.26
Southeast_Asian 0.25
Oceanian 0.33
South_African 0.70
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Bobby Martnen]

Population
Southwest_Asian 13.18
Native_American 0.87
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 22.15
North_European 61.37
Southeast_Asian 1.46
Oceanian 0.98
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Maintenance]

Posting for someone else


Southwest_Asian 10.48
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 4.15
Mediterranean 18.11
North_European 66.15
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian -
South_African 0.60
Sub-Saharan_African 0.51

[Zroota]

Southwest_Asian: 36.81%
Northeast_Asian: 0.91%
Mediterranean: 42.60%
North_European: 19.58%

[GreentheViper]

North_European 44.52
Native_American 31.51
Mediterranean 11.76
Southwest_Asian 6.11
Northeast_Asian 2.39
Southeast_Asian 1.74
South_African 0.98
Sub-Saharan_African 0.71
Oceanian 0.28

[Kaspias]

Population
Southwest_Asian 20.59
Native_American 1.66
Northeast_Asian 7.57
Mediterranean 26.33
North_European 41.90
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 1.14
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 0.82

[Kaspias]

More northern european than usual :confused:

Population

Southwest_Asian 25.06
Native_American 0.52
Northeast_Asian 3.23
Mediterranean 22.59
North_European 45.99
Southeast_Asian 2.01
Oceanian -
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African

Our results pretty close.

[Sp_loa]

Population
Southwest_Asian 16.47
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 45.61
North_European 32.51
Southeast_Asian 0.17
Oceanian -
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 5.1