Arab MK: Prevent Jews from ‘Contaminating’ Temple Mount

[ariel]

MK Ahmed Tibi compares Jews to Crusaders and calls to keep them off the Temple Mount. ‘Al Aqsa for Muslims only.’

Jews have no right to visit the Temple Mount, and should be prevented from “contaminating” the holy site, a Member of Knesset has argued.

MK Ahmed Tibi (Ra’am Ta’al) spoke against allowing Jews to visit the Temple Mount, which is also the site of the Al-Aqsa mosque. The area is the holiest place on earth according to the Jewish religion.

Tibi was particularly outraged by the possibility that police may restrict Muslim worshipers in order to allow Jews to visit the holy site during the holiday of Sukkot.

Jews are still not allowed to pray at the holy site.


The decision to let Jews visit during Sukkot is part of a gradual plan with the ultimate goal of sharing the holy site equally between Muslims and Jews, he warned, adding that Muslims must not accept such an arrangeement.

“The Al-Aqsa mosque is a place of prayer for Muslims alone. Period! Not for others,” Tibi declared.

“The police think defending the Al-Aqsa mosue is ‘disturbing the peace.’ We think it is sacrifice and defending the most holy places to us, which are under attack from the right and from Jewish extremists who want to take away our rights,” he continued.

“We repeat: the occupation of Al-Aqsa by the Crusaders was long, but it ended, the same was true of the British Mandate, and the same will be true of the Israeli occupation of Al-Quds [Jerusalem] and Al-Aqsa,” he said.

In a televised interview with Arab media, Tibi can be heard saying he is “confident” that the Israeli “occupation” of Jerusalem will end, “and our voice will rise up here at the Al-Aqsa mosque, and we won’t let these people [Jews] contaminate it.”


In a separate interview, Tibi argued that attempts by MK Miri Regev (Likud) to gradually change the status quo on the Temple Mount to give Jewish worshipers more rights constitutes a “declaration of war.”

Despite the Temple Mount's status as the holiest place in Judaism, the Waqf Islamic trust which administers the site insists on maintaining a strict ban on Jews from praying or conducting any forms of religious rituals there. Much to the outrage of Jewish groups, the Israeli police has strictly enforced the ban, in spite of numerous court orders insisting that Jewish rights on the site be upheld in the name of freedom of worship.

Islamist groups and the Palestinian Authority regularly issue claims denying the Jewish connection to the Mount - as well as to Jerusalem as a whole -whilst simultaneously destroying ancient Jewish artifacts on the Temple Mount, in what many Israeli archaeologists have slammed as "archaeological vandalism"

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/172112#.Uj7lySNBSUk

[Rojava]

Religion is bullshit anyway.

[ariel]

Religion is bullshit anyway.

you should say it to all the radicalic islamists.

[RandoBloom]

you should say it to all the radicalic islamists.

Right after you jews stop being jews :)
And stop abusing, atacking and spiting at others

[ariel]

Right after you jews stop being jews :)
And stop abusing, atacking and spiting at others

RELIGIOUS JEWS ARE ONLY 10 % OF THE ISRAELI POPULATION. BUT THE RELIGIOUS MUSLIMS ARE THE MAJORITY.


:rolleyes:

[RandoBloom]

RELIGIOUS JEWS ARE ONLY 10 % OF THE ISRAELI POPULATION. BUT THE RELIGIOUS MUSLIMS ARE THE MAJORITY.


:rolleyes:


So what is the problem? Why dont you organise and refuse judaism as your religion and stop being jews.
Then you have moral right to ask the same of others :)

[ariel]

So what is the problem? Why dont you organise and refuse judaism as your religion and stop being jews.
Then you have moral right to ask the same of others :)

im secular same as 90 % of the israeli population.

your muslim friends should refuse islam and stop being terrorists.

[RandoBloom]

im secular same as 90 % of the israeli population.

your muslim friends should refuse islam and stop being terrorists.

First you leave judaism.
Since muslims dont suport terorism allrady. So they made a first step forward.
Now you leave Judaism, secularism doesnt cut it, stop being jewish completely

[Yaakov Elbaz]

http://www.ciibroadcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/pal-aqsa-excavations-2-403x250.jpg


:)

[ariel]

First you leave judaism.
Since muslims dont suport terorism allrady. So they made a first step forward.
Now you leave Judaism, secularism doesnt cut it, stop being jewish completely

looooooooooooooooooooooooool

you are not terrorists?

100000 jihadists in syria only :picard2:

[Yaakov Elbaz]

It's time to demolish the Dome of the Rock and prevent Arabs from contaminating the Temple Mount. The Islamic architecture is Arab architecture, so it has no place out of Arabia.

[RandoBloom]

It's time to demolish the Dome of the Rock and prevent Arabs from contaminating the Temple Mount. The Islamic architecture is Arab architecture, so it has no place out of Arabia.

Lets destroy glass in every non-egyptian house and building, since they are the ones who discovered it :)

[RandoBloom]

looooooooooooooooooooooooool

you are not terrorists?

100000 jihadists in syria only :picard2:

100 000 O.o -_-

ANd how is a mujahid a terrorist?

[RandoBloom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lfCqisw8uQ

[Acquisitor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lfCqisw8uQ

yes, Israel persecutes Christians, sure. Its not like Christians are being slaughtered in Syria and Egypt in a daily basis, its "Israel" who persecutes them.

[Yaakov Elbaz]

Lets destroy glass in every non-egyptian house and building, since they are the ones who discovered it :)
I'm talking about architecture, not about a material. Arabs plagiarized the arches when they arrived to Spain.

[Manifest Destiny]

If Jews acted more like the Crusaders they wouldn't have to ask permission to visit one of their holy sites in their own country.

[RandoBloom]

I'm talking about architecture, not about a material. Arabs plagiarized the arches when they arrived to Spain.

Arches didnt exist in europe at that time. Lost together with rome.
They are the ones that brought that over there. Another thing you need to destroy in every non-arab country is the arches :)

[ariel]

'A new spirit' among Israeli Arab Christians

Israeli Vice Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz last month declared that a "new spirit" had taken hold in the Israeli Arab Christian community after meeting with a group of young Arabic-speaking Christians determined to be a part of and to serve the Jewish state.

"Civil courage is a very important thing," Mofaz told Israel's Channel 2 News. For decades Israel's Christian community were too cowed by their Muslim neighbors to openly stand with Israel. "The Christian population is very special," and it is great to see them opening up like this, Mofaz continued.

The minister and leader of the Kadima Party made his remarks following a personal visit to the home of Nazareth-area priest Gabriel Nadaf, who has been actively encouraging young local Christians to join the Israeli army and fully integrate with Israeli society.

During the visit, Mofaz met Regda Jerisi, a young Christian woman who has become outspoken in her intention to voluntarily defend the Jewish state, and has even publicly taken to task hostile Arab Knesset members who dare to speak in her name.

"I am proud of this position, because I feel that I am a part of the nation, I am Israeli, and with God's help, after I marry, my children will also join the IDF," Jerisi said in an interview with an Arabic newspaper.

Taking aim at Israeli Arab Knesset members who constantly attack the Jewish state, Jerisi said, "I do not understand these extremists who receive everything from the state, but can still betray her."

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24037/Default.aspx

One Arab MK in particular, Hanan Zoabi, has been on a mission to silence Father Nadaf and put an end to his movement to bring Jews and Christians closer together.

Jerisi responded to Zoabi in an open letter that made waves in the Israeli media:

"Shalom MK Zoabi,

"My name is Regda Jerisi. I am a Christian who speaks Arabic, but not an Arab. I request with all due respect that you not state in the name of the Christians that we are 'Palestinians.'

"Listen well - we are not Palestinians. We are Israeli Christians, and our hearts and spirits are covered in blue and white [the national colors of Israel]."

In his interview, Mofaz said he was "very impressed by the character of Father Gabriel and the young people with him," in particular young Regda.

"Regda and the rest of these young people represent a new spirit in the Christian population," said Mofaz. "Regda and the young Christians are making themselves heard on this matter, and we bless them for it."

That recognition and hope of support from Mofaz and other Israeli officials is exactly what Father Nadaf had been pressing for. The priest warned that if Israel itself did not support this "new spirit," antagonists like Zoabi would ultimately be successful in squashing the movement

[Yaakov Elbaz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lfCqisw8uQ
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4256992,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_the_Church_of_the_Nativity_in_Bethlehem

[RandoBloom]

yes, Israel persecutes Christians, sure. Its not like Christians are being slaughtered in Syria and Egypt in a daily basis, its "Israel" who persecutes them.

The main diference being its individuals and groups who do that there, while Israel does that as a country.

If I kill people I am criminal, not the government or my family or whatever.
If it is the government what is doing the bad things, then it is responsible more than individuals, since it can control its actions, but it cant control every person

[Yaakov Elbaz]

Arches didnt exist in europe at that time. Lost together with rome.
They are the ones that brought that over there. Another thing you need to destroy in every non-arab country is the arches :)
hahaha. Now arches are Arabic?

The horseshoe arch became a popular feature in Islamic structures. Some suggest the Muslims acquired this from the Visigoths in Spain but they may have obtained it from Syria and Persia where the horseshoe arch had been in use by the Byzantines as early as the 5th century. After the Moorish invasion of Spain in 711 AD the form was taken by the Umayyads who accentuated the curvature of the horseshoe.

[Acquisitor]

The main diference being its individuals and groups who do that there, while Israel does that as a country.

If I kill people I am criminal, not the government or my family or whatever.
If it is the government what is doing the bad things, then it is responsible more than individuals, since it can control its actions, but it cant control every person

you are taking shit out of your ass here.

I have never ever heard a story about someone being murdered for being a Christian in the modern Israel.

Internet is full with stories of Christians being slaughtered by all kinds of groups in the Middle East though.

[RandoBloom]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4256992,00.html

A religious war, Gaza-style: The Orthodox Christian Church in the Gaza Strip is claiming that a group of armed Islamists kidnapped five Christian Palestinians, a young man and a mother and her three daughters, to force them to convert to Islam.

In a statement, the church said that "the dangerous Islamist movement is trying to convince Christian men and women to convert to Islam, destroying Christian families and the Christian presence in the Gaza Strip."

Trying to convert and kidnaping is diferent things.
This is just a claim by family, it is obvious that those men were influenced by islamic missionaryis to convert, and werent kidnaped.
If they were kidnaped what is stoping them from going to the local church and geting baptised again?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_the_Church_of_the_Nativity_in_Bethlehem

[RandoBloom]

you are taking shit out of your ass here.

I have never ever heard a story about someone being murdered for being a Christian in the modern Israel.

Internet is full with stories of Christians being slaughtered by all kinds of groups in the Middle East though.

I used that as an example.
Israel is opresing people as a country.
While in muslim countryis it is individuals who do that

[RandoBloom]

hahaha. Now arches are Arabic?

The horseshoe arch became a popular feature in Islamic structures. Some suggest the Muslims acquired this from the Visigoths in Spain but they may have obtained it from Syria and Persia where the horseshoe arch had been in use by the Byzantines as early as the 5th century. After the Moorish invasion of Spain in 711 AD the form was taken by the Umayyads who accentuated the curvature of the horseshoe.


Here:

Spaniards are dogs.
Now you have a man who sugested that spaniards are dogs, so it must be true

Dont embarass yourself

[Manifest Destiny]

It's time to demolish the Dome of the Rock and prevent Arabs from contaminating the Temple Mount. The Islamic architecture is Arab architecture, so it has no place out of Arabia.

Israel is in the Middle East, isn't it? :p

Anyway; I have no desire to destroy historically significant buildings. But it's childish and intellectually dishonest for Muslims to build a Mosque on top of a Jewish holy site and then demand that Jews stay away.

[RandoBloom]

Israel is in the Middle East, isn't it? :p

Anyway; I have no desire to destroy historically significant buildings. But it's childish and intellectually dishonest for Muslims to build a Mosque on top of a Jewish holy site and then demand that Jews stay away.

No jews lived there for 700 years by the time it was made. And it existed for almost one and a half milenia.

[Manifest Destiny]

No jews lived there for 700 years by the time it was made. And it existed for almost one and a half milenia.

And? Even if that's true, that doesn't change the fact that it was a holy site for Jews long before it was for Muslims.

[Yaakov Elbaz]

Here:

Spaniards are dogs.
Now you have a man who sugested that spaniards are dogs, so it must be true

Dont embarass yourself
When you were born your parents threw you from the balcony? You're mentally ill, you answer to everybody like if you were a kid without showing any historical fact. Your disgusting Arab Islamic civilization haven't given anything good to the humanity, except bad things like pedophilia.

[RandoBloom]

And? Even if that's true, that doesn't change the fact that it was a holy site for Jews long before it was for Muslims.

So why dont we destroy the seat of the pope, and buildings in rome.
Pagans temple were gone for shorter time than jews were gone from that land.

[Manifest Destiny]

So why dont we destroy the seat of the pope, and buildings in rome.
Pagans temple were gone for shorter time than jews were gone from that land.

When did I advocate destroying anything? I'm just saying Muslims should stop being assholes about a problem they created by building their holy site on top of someone else's holy site.

[RandoBloom]

When you were born your parents threw you from the balcony? You're mentally ill, you answer to everybody like if you were a kid without showing any historical fact. Your disgusting Arab Islamic civilization haven't given anything good to the humanity, except bad things like pedophilia.

1 The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London. The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caffé and then English coffee.

2 The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out, and set up the first Camera Obscura (from the Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one.

3 A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia. From there it spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the Moors in Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means chariot.

4 A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing. Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.

5 Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.

6 Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.

7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.

8 Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China. But it certainly came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen warriors, who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an effective guard against the chafing of the Crusaders' metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that it became a cottage industry back home in colder climates such as Britain and Holland.

9 The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.

10 Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he who discovered that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey ate his lute strings) and that it can be also used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.

11 The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.

12 The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West discovered it.

13 The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and capillary action.

14 The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.

15 Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses (which had been invented after experiments with rock crystal by Abbas ibn Firnas - see No 4).

16 Carpets were regarded as part of Paradise by medieval Muslims, thanks to their advanced weaving techniques, new tinctures from Islamic chemistry and highly developed sense of pattern and arabesque which were the basis of Islam's non-representational art. In contrast, Europe's floors were distinctly earthly, not to say earthy, until Arabian and Persian carpets were introduced. In England, as Erasmus recorded, floors were "covered in rushes, occasionally renewed, but so imperfectly that the bottom layer is left undisturbed, sometimes for 20 years, harbouring expectoration, vomiting, the leakage of dogs and men, ale droppings, scraps of fish, and other abominations not fit to be mentioned". Carpets, unsurprisingly, caught on quickly.

17 The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.

18 By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.

19 Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.

20 Medieval Europe had kitchen and herb gardens, but it was the Arabs who developed the idea of the garden as a place of beauty and meditation. The first royal pleasure gardens in Europe were opened in 11th-century Muslim Spain. Flowers which originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the tulip.


Now, what did christianity and judaism give to people?

[RandoBloom]

When did I advocate destroying anything? I'm just saying Muslims should stop being assholes about a problem they created by building their holy site on top of someone else's holy site.

Well why is the pope being an asshole and not leting me sacrifice a white bull to Jupiter in the middle of sistine chapel?
It was a pagan temple after all.

[Yaakov Elbaz]

So why dont we destroy the seat of the pope, and buildings in rome.
Pagans temple were gone for shorter time than jews were gone from that land.
At least Rome people is native, unlike Arabs in Israel.

[RandoBloom]

At least Rome people is native, unlike Arabs in Israel.

No they arent. They are settlers, Lombarians.

[Yaakov Elbaz]

1 The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London. The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caffé and then English coffee.

2 The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out, and set up the first Camera Obscura (from the Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one.

3 A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia. From there it spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the Moors in Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means chariot.

4 A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing. Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.

5 Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.

6 Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.

7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.

8 Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China. But it certainly came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen warriors, who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an effective guard against the chafing of the Crusaders' metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that it became a cottage industry back home in colder climates such as Britain and Holland.

9 The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.

10 Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he who discovered that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey ate his lute strings) and that it can be also used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.

11 The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.

12 The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West discovered it.

13 The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and capillary action.

14 The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.

15 Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses (which had been invented after experiments with rock crystal by Abbas ibn Firnas - see No 4).

16 Carpets were regarded as part of Paradise by medieval Muslims, thanks to their advanced weaving techniques, new tinctures from Islamic chemistry and highly developed sense of pattern and arabesque which were the basis of Islam's non-representational art. In contrast, Europe's floors were distinctly earthly, not to say earthy, until Arabian and Persian carpets were introduced. In England, as Erasmus recorded, floors were "covered in rushes, occasionally renewed, but so imperfectly that the bottom layer is left undisturbed, sometimes for 20 years, harbouring expectoration, vomiting, the leakage of dogs and men, ale droppings, scraps of fish, and other abominations not fit to be mentioned". Carpets, unsurprisingly, caught on quickly.

17 The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.

18 By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.

19 Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.

20 Medieval Europe had kitchen and herb gardens, but it was the Arabs who developed the idea of the garden as a place of beauty and meditation. The first royal pleasure gardens in Europe were opened in 11th-century Muslim Spain. Flowers which originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the tulip.


Now, what did christianity and judaism give to people?
So typical, arabs muslims claiming they created everything. Most things were insignificant or just copied from other people.

[RandoBloom]

So typical, arabs muslims claiming they created everything. Most things were insignificant or just copied from other people.

The article is from Guardian.
Not written by muslim or muslims at all.
There are 1001 things that were on exibition, theese are only 20.

[Yaakov Elbaz]

No they arent. They are settlers, Lombarians.
That's like claiming Spanish people is Visigoth.

[Manifest Destiny]

Well why is the pope being an asshole and not leting me sacrifice a white bull to Jupiter in the middle of sistine chapel?
It was a pagan temple after all.

Are you thinking of Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus? If so, the Sistine Chapel wasn't built on top of it.

[RandoBloom]

That's like claiming Spanish people is Visigoth.

Spanish people didnt exist untill after arabs. And even so, their ancestors came to that area during and after fall of rome

[RandoBloom]

Are you thinking of Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus? If so, the Sistine Chapel wasn't built on top of it.

No, I am ofering an example.

[Manifest Destiny]

No, I am ofering an example.

Of what?

Which pagan temple is hidden underneath the Sistine Chapel? Are pagans today banned from visiting the Sistine Chapel?

[Yaakov Elbaz]

Spanish people didnt exist untill after arabs. And even so, their ancestors came to that area during and after fall of rome
It's definitive your parents threw you from the balcony, it's strange they didn't threw you to the railway. Iberians had their own culture much before the Arabs came. Roman Hispania had a population of 5.000.000+, today Spaniards descend from them.

[RandoBloom]

Of what?

Which pagan temple is hidden underneath the Sistine Chapel? Are pagans today banned from visiting the Sistine Chapel?

They are banned from doing their religious rites

[RandoBloom]

It's definitive your parents threw you from the balcony, it's strange they didn't threw you to the railway. Iberians had their own culture much before the Arabs came. Roman Hispania had a population of 5.000.000+, today Spaniards descend from them.

No they dont. They have nothing in common with Spaniards of today. First and most importantly they were celtic, Irishmen are closer to them than spaniards

[Manifest Destiny]

They are banned from doing their religious rites

Which pagan site is underneath the Sistine Chapel?

[RandoBloom]

Which pagan site is underneath the Sistine Chapel?

I dont know if there is one.
I said it was example.

[Manifest Destiny]

I dont know if there is one.
I said it was example.

Then it's a retarded example. The Temple Mount is the most important holy sites in Judaism. If the Sistine Chapel isn't built on top of some pagan holy site, why should the Vatican allow pagan to perform religious ceremonies there?

Muslims are being assholes in this case, and now you're pulling nonsense arguments out of your ass to try to deflect blame on Christians.

[RandoBloom]

Then it's a retarded example. The Temple Mount is the most important holy sites in Judaism. If the Sistine Chapel isn't built on top of some pagan holy site, why should the Vatican allow pagan to perform religious ceremonies there?

Muslims are being assholes in this case, and now you're pulling nonsense arguments out of your ass to try to deflect blame on Christians.

Not at all.
Plenty of churches are built on pagan temples.
If i brought a white bull to sacrifice in the church what would I get

[Manifest Destiny]

1 The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London. The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caffé and then English coffee.

2 The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out, and set up the first Camera Obscura (from the Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one.

3 A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia. From there it spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the Moors in Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means chariot.

4 A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing. Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.

5 Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.

6 Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.

7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.

8 Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China. But it certainly came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen warriors, who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an effective guard against the chafing of the Crusaders' metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that it became a cottage industry back home in colder climates such as Britain and Holland.

9 The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.

10 Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he who discovered that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey ate his lute strings) and that it can be also used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.

11 The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.

12 The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West discovered it.

13 The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and capillary action.

14 The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.

15 Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses (which had been invented after experiments with rock crystal by Abbas ibn Firnas - see No 4).

16 Carpets were regarded as part of Paradise by medieval Muslims, thanks to their advanced weaving techniques, new tinctures from Islamic chemistry and highly developed sense of pattern and arabesque which were the basis of Islam's non-representational art. In contrast, Europe's floors were distinctly earthly, not to say earthy, until Arabian and Persian carpets were introduced. In England, as Erasmus recorded, floors were "covered in rushes, occasionally renewed, but so imperfectly that the bottom layer is left undisturbed, sometimes for 20 years, harbouring expectoration, vomiting, the leakage of dogs and men, ale droppings, scraps of fish, and other abominations not fit to be mentioned". Carpets, unsurprisingly, caught on quickly.

17 The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.

18 By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.

19 Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.

20 Medieval Europe had kitchen and herb gardens, but it was the Arabs who developed the idea of the garden as a place of beauty and meditation. The first royal pleasure gardens in Europe were opened in 11th-century Muslim Spain. Flowers which originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the tulip.


Now, what did christianity and judaism give to people?

Just because something is invented by someone of a particular faith doesn't mean that the faith itself is responsible for the invention. :picard2: