classify Greta Jankauskaitė

[Hercus Monte]

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[Roy]

Nordid / West Baltid.

[Twistedmind]

East Nordid/West Baltid.

[Cern]

Looks east-european.

[Cail]

Judging by the name, she has Polish ancestry.

[Cail]

I think she's from Siauliai, so it's would be quite likely she has Polish ancestry.

Well, Jankowska is a Polish last name. Theoretically could also be Russian, though it's much more rare there. She does easily pass as both (not to say she doesn't pass as Lithuanian, obviously).

[Virtuous]

Cute.

[Cail]

Jankauskas is the second most common surname in Lithuania. It is a "loaned" surname as it's Christian. Besides, surnames were heavily slavified, even translated as in case of Kazlauskas (from the Lithuanian word Ožys) or Žukauskas (from the Lith. word vabalas).


Anyway, I think she looks plain Lithuanian. Her face is just so... plain.

I do know that. But Jankauskas is definitely not translated (from what?). And it's not just Christian, it has specifically Slavic formants.

But indeed, the history of this last name in Lithuania is probably very ancient, dating back to the early Commonwealth. Jankowski (pl. Jankowscy) was a name of a very prominent clan/family in the Rzeczpospolita, they had numerous branches in modern Belarus and Lithuania.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

East nordid + west baltid

[lI]

I do know that. But Jankauskas is definitely not translated (from what?). And it's not just Christian, it has specifically Slavic formants.

But indeed, the history of this last name in Lithuania is probably very ancient, dating back to the early Commonwealth. Jankowski (pl. Jankowscy) was a name of a very prominent clan/family in the Rzeczpospolita, they had numerous branches in modern Belarus and Lithuania.
It's bizarre that being a linguist and all that you don't know better than to suggest such nonsense. In some regions as much as a third of all surnames got the specifically Slavic suffixes (-auskas/-evič) added to them during the second half of 19th century when no large scale population migrations took place.
Jonas is the most popular Christian name, always has been. During the said period the Catholic clergy was the main tool of Polonization - you say that your pop's name is Jonas and you get written down as Janavičius/Jankauskas in the church records, it was that simple.

Even if in the case of the girl from the OP the surname does happen to come from Jankowski szlachtas, again, there's no reason to assume Polish origin as already in the Union of Horodlo the Lithuanian szlachtas received family crests (as well as surnames) from the Polish side - for example, there are now at the very least five different Baranowski/Baranauskas paternal lines in the ancestry projects, there are also several different lines of Zaremba.

[inactive_member]

as already in the Union of Horodlo the Lithuanian szlachtas received family crests (as well as surnames) from the Polish side - for example, there are at the very least five different Baranowski/Baranauskas paternal lines, there are also several different lines of Zaremba.

In Belarusian and Russian historeography, those 47 families that received the Polish crests the Union of Horodlo are described as "Lithuanian Boyars". Boyar is a nobility title used among eastern Slavs and Lithuanians (Balts). I've been considering for a while finding more about the origins of those 47 families. Do you know any sources by any chance?

[lI]

In Belarusian and Russian historeography, those 47 families that received the Polish crests the Union of Horodlo are described as "Lithuanian Boyars". Boyar is a nobility title used among eastern Slavs and Lithuanians (Balts). I've been considering for a while finding more about the origins of those 47 families. Do you know any sources by any chance?

Doesn't the mere fact that the vast majority of them had Ūber-Lithuanian pagan names make your question a bit redundant?
Do you honestly need any sources to verify whether those people were Lithuanians or East Slavs? lol? Are their names not more than enough? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Horod%C5%82o#Adopted_Polish_coat_of_arms)
Goštautas, Visgintas, Eiviltas, Kareiva, Mantvilas, Tautgirdas, Surgintas, Butautas, Rimvydas, Nirmeda, Girdutis, Getautas, Vaišnoras Vilgailaitis, Manvydas, Sangailas, Gelgantas, Beinoras, Visgirdas, Sungaila, Minmantas, Tvirbutas, Mažtautas, Daukšas, Bilminas, Kovaldas, Mingailas, Danguolis, Radvilas, Mingailis, Jotautas, Daukantas, Butrimas, Astikas, Vaidilas, Mantgirdas, Jaunutis Valimantaitis, Gintas

P.s. out of curiosity, is it still popular to name children like that ^^^ in Belarus?

[inactive_member]

Doesn't the mere fact that the vast majority of them had Ūber-Lithuanian pagan names make your question a bit redundant?
Do you honestly need any sources to verify whether those people were Lithuanians or East Slavs? lol? Are their names not more than enough? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Horod%C5%82o#Adopted_Polish_coat_of_arms)
Goštautas, Visgintas, Eiviltas, Kareiva, Mantvilas, Tautgirdas, Surgintas, Butautas, Rimvydas, Nirmeda, Girdutis, Getautas, Vaišnoras Vilgailaitis, Manvydas, Sangailas, Gelgantas, Beinoras, Visgirdas, Sungaila, Minmantas, Tvirbutas, Mažtautas, Daukšas, Bilminas, Kovaldas, Mingailas, Danguolis, Radvilas, Mingailis, Jotautas, Daukantas, Butrimas, Astikas, Vaidilas, Mantgirdas, Jaunutis Valimantaitis, Gintas

Hey, I just asked about the sources. If I knew their given names were pagan I would not have asked about their origins. Take it easy. Will you?

[Sharkeatpeople]

West baltid + Baltid

[lI]

Hey, I just asked about the sources. If I knew their given names were pagan I would not have asked about their origins. Take it easy. Will you?

I will take it easy in another thread in a minute.

The source in the Lithuanian version of wikipedia's article to which I linked was cited as the Universal Lithuanian Encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Lithuanian_Encyclopedia)

The same name list can be found here and in the bibliography only Polish sources are listed, so, presumably, it shouldn't be biased in favor of Lithuanian point of view
http://zincavage.org/HORODLO-LST.pdf

For many it wasn't specified whether it was a surname or a given name which hardly changes the point anyway.

[inactive_member]

I will take it easy in another thread in a minute.

The source in the Lithuanian version of wikipedia's article to which I linked was cited as the Universal Lithuanian Encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Lithuanian_Encyclopedia)

The same name list can be found here and in the bibliography only Polish sources are listed, so, presumably, it shouldn't be biased in favor of Lithuanian point of view
http://zincavage.org/HORODLO-LST.pdf

For many it wasn't specified whether it was a surname or a given name which hardly changes the point anyway.

I suspected those 47 nobilities were Baltic speakers, as they were Catholic going to a meeting with Vytautas. There was no mentioning of their origins in the sources I looked. So, I thought you may know something, as you are resourceful and kind in providing the references. :)