From whom does the Caucasoid admixture in Mongols come from?

[Sky earth]

I was very surprised when it came out that Mongols have about 18 % Caucasoid admixture on average in aDNA. is the 18 % Caucasoid admixture in Mongols a result of mixing with Turkic tribes or are the Scythians responsible for it? What do you think?

[daedal1]

The Scythians settled in Eastern Eurasia and mixed with the other nomadic tribes, eventually some of them assimilated into Turks, etc.

[robar]

what kind of caucasoid admixture they have? Middle eastern mediteranean, Nort-west-euro, North-East euro?

[Sky earth]

what kind of caucasoid admixture they have? Middle eastern mediteranean, Nort-west-euro, North-East euro?

They have 4.9 % Western European, 4.9 % Eastern European, 2.8 % Mediterranean and 5.7 % West Asian admixture

[daedal1]

They have 4.9 % Western European, 4.9 % Eastern European, 2.8 % Mediterranean and 5.7 % West Asian admixture

We need to wait for the scythian tombs to be fully excavated and analyzed. I don't think Dienekes is going to like the results....

[Sky earth]

We need to wait for the scythian tombs to be fully excavated and analyzed. I don't think Dienekes is going to like the results....

Why wouldn't Dienekes like the results?

[daedal1]

Why wouldn't Dienekes like the results?

He wants to believe in the 'out of anatolia' hypothesis for the indo-europeans. He's a Pontian Greek. He thinks that the Indo-Europeans were spread by J2 (which is an iraqi/Mesopotamian marker technically). If you look at the Tarim Mummies (Tocharians) already, they were 100% r1a paternally, with 0% J2.

[Artek]

He wants to believe in the 'out of anatolia' hypothesis for the indo-europeans. He's a Pontian Greek. He thinks that the Indo-Europeans were spread by J2 (which is an iraqi/Mesopotamian marker technically). If you look at the Tarim Mummies (Tocharians) already, they were 100% r1a paternally, with 0% J2.
Yeah, and he previously thought that R1a spread from India... He also posted once a methodologically weak study, which shown 0% of J2 in the lower castes - which is obviously not true.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I think the answer is...they pretty much always had it. Look to daedal1's comments and realize are and Q are brother clades so at some point they are all the same. It was a while ago but not THAT long ago.

Race splits just happened once, and it was a long time ago. Since then the changes have all been due to mixing so you can't have had a mongol Q, it became a mongol Q. Or rather, what it means to be mongol changes over time. We know that from history, too, now we have DNA this is just a fact really. One that a lot of people can't accept and some people who have an agenda wish desperately weren't so, but a fact nonetheless.

[blogen]

Maybe this is the basic reason:

"In the late 3rd to early 2nd millennium B.C. the Afanasievo Culture emerged in northern Mongolia. The Afanasievo Culture had a cattle breeding economy mainly known from the kurgan cemeteries in the Minusinsk Basin and in the Gorny Altai region. Sites in both areas have been studied extensively. In Mongolia, Afanasievo cemeteries have been discovered on both the western and eastern slopes of the Hangai Mountains in the vicinity of Altan Sandal (Gold Chair) and Shatar Chuluu (Stone Chest).

The Afanasievo cultural ties were primarily with the west. Censer bowls found in Afanasievo burials are completely analogous with those from the southern Russian Catacomb burials. According to physical anthropologists the Afanasievo population was Paleo-European, descending from the Cro-Magnon people of Paleolithic Europe. It appears that the carriers of the Mongolian Afanasievo Culture were the easternmost Europoid tribes which populated Inner Asia at the dawn of the Bronze Age.

As mentioned previously, the Afanasievo-type populations found in the Altan Sandal and Shatar Chuluu burials at Khangai have Europoid skulls. The people belonged to one of the most eastern and most ancient groups of Europoid tribes to inhabit Inner Asia. They also contrast sharply with the Paleo-Asiatic groups found in the Late Neolithic or Eneolithic complexes of eastern Mongolia. 9 This leads to the conclusion that cultural and anthropological differences between two groups, one in eastern and the other in western Mongolia, appear to have developed at the onset of the Bronze Age.""
Jeannine Davis-Kimball (Editor), Vladimir A. Bashilov (Editor), Leonid T. Yablonsky: Nomads of the Eurasian Steppes in the Early Iron Age - Berkley, 1995