Palestine, Israeli issue interview

[alb0zfinest]

Sorry to bother, I know this is quite random, but I was wondering if anyone from the apricity had time for an interview with me asking questions, over the apricity about the Israeli-Plaestenian territorial issue?
I have asked my friends but none of them have really much knowledge on it.
You can say whatever you want about the issue, anything broad, or specific. Historical ties between the two countries. Events that made the ties worse. Any kind of agreement between them, massacres comitted by either side, it's leaders, and your over all opinion on what side is just and which one isn't. If you want also to propose some kind of solution, or anything else you'd like to add. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and hopefully you can help me out.

[YeshAtid]

Ok. My views have changed significantly so I could offer both sides

[Anglojew]

Ask away I'm an expert and a Zionist but the Palestinian's on this forum can testify I'm not anti-Palestinian.

[Sblast]

I think we have these daily :lol:. What's the context?

[alb0zfinest]

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[alb0zfinest]

Ask away I'm an expert and a Zionist but the Palestinian's on this forum can testify I'm not anti-Palestinian.

Again you don't have to stay within the question, you can mention something irrelevant if it helps your point of view, or anything worth mentioning.
Does the Jewish state have a right to exist?
How are the ties between Israelis and Palestinians both historically and in the modern time?
What treaties were enacted to create peace between the two?
What do you say about the settlements?
How are the leaders of both of the countries today?
How are the minorities in Israel treated?
Any suggestions as to how this whole issue could be resolved?

I would like the Israeli point of view.



And Sblast sorry, just homework, don't mean it as an offense.

[Sblast]

Does the Jewish state have a right to exist?
How are the ties between Israelis and Palestinians both historically and in the modern time?
What treaties were enacted to create peace between the two?
What do you say about the settlements?
How are the leaders of both of the countries today?
How are the minorities in Israel treated?
Any suggestions as to how this whole issue could be resolved?

I would like the Israeli point of view.

And Sblast sorry, just homework, don't mean it as an offense.

VAGUE :icon_eyes:.
Yes, but that doesn't say much in itself. There are a few issues to reconcile, like self-determination and liberal democracies (especially when it comes to minorities).
Negative opinion. Given you are referring to the green line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_(Israel)) in the context of the west-bank (The Golan heights is a separate issue).
I grow-up during the Oslo accords and Camp David Summit. Ii'm not a great believer in 'paper-peace'.
Negative opinion. I don't like Bibi, his conservatism and where he's taking Israel with his policies.
Discriminated against on a governmental level, on daily life it's harder to notice, but it's still there. On the way home I drove with a few Arab girls going to study at Mahon Mor (medicine) with an Arab bus driver at the second largest bus company (metropoline). The buses are worth the ride only for the micro-cosmopolitans (probably wrong word) they are. I studied with an Arab (atheist) friend from a town 7 mins drive from me, the infrastructure is as half as good there. On the other hand there is 96% tax collection where I live while Arab towns 'score' an average of 23%. It's a whole issue where there is real discrimination and where not. I think when it comes to building plans it's the most obvious.
More common decency & collaboration for starters.

[alb0zfinest]

VAGUE :icon_eyes:.
Yes, but that doesn't say much in itself. There are a few issues to reconcile, like self-determination and liberal democracies (especially when it comes to minorities).
Negative opinion. Given you are referring to the green line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_(Israel)) in the context of the west-bank (The Golan heights is a separate issue).
I grow-up during the Oslo accords and Camp David Summit. Ii'm not a great believer in 'paper-peace'.
Negative opinion. I don't like Bibi, his conservatism and where he's taking Israel with his policies.
Discriminated against on a governmental level, on daily life it's harder to notice, but it's still there. On the way home I drove with a few Arab girls going to study at Mahon Mor (medicine) with an Arab bus driver at the second largest bus company (metropoline). The buses are worth the ride only for the micro-cosmopolitans (probably wrong word) they are. I studied with an Arab (atheist) friend from a town 7 mins drive from me, the infrastructure is as half as good there. On the other hand there is 96% tax collection where I live while Arab towns 'score' an average of 23%. It's a whole issue where there is real discrimination and where not. I think when it comes to building plans it's the most obvious.
More common decency & collaboration for starters.


I know it's vague. I made it so that you could talk about it in a more free manner and add more info. Thanks alot for taking the time to answer the questions. You were very helpful.

[Anglojew]

Does the Jewish state have a right to exist?

Yes, besides ideological, religious or historical justification or the fact Israel has existed for 65 years and also that it is a successful country and has defended it's right to exist multiple times; Israel has many legal frameworks underpinning it's existance (more than most countries in fact) including the San Remo conference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Remo_conference and the 1947 UN vote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

It is a sad reflection of the anti-Israel mentality that no one asks the same question of that other state partitioned at the exact time as Israel and also as a religious homeland (and also leading to a territorial dispute, refugees, wars); Pakistan.

It must also be pointed out that 79% of the British Mandate of Palestine was already illegally given to the Arabs by Britain after the San Remo conference when Jordan was formed;

http://www.xtimeline.com/__UserPic_Large/2119/ELT200709150831025311187.PNG

http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/newpdf/Pal-under-BritishMandate192.gif


How are the ties between Israelis and Palestinians both historically and in the modern time?

Not great, neither side trusts the other to a large extent. Blame is mainly on the Palestinian leadership and their absolutist agenda and failure to accept the partition plan of 1947 and famous "three no's ;"

"no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_Resolution


Historically about 80% Palestinians are descended from Islamised Jews/Israelites/Samaritans so relations were fine as they're really the same people.

What treaties were enacted to create peace between the two?

1949 Lausanne Conference
1978 Camp David Accords
1991 Madrid Conference
1993 Oslo I / 1995 Oslo II
1997 Hebron Protocol
1998 Wye River Memorandum
1998 Sharm el-Sheikh
2000 Camp David / Parameters
2001 Taba
2003 Road Map
2007 Annapolis

What do you say about the settlements?

Mainly what I've said here;
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?63590-My-Middle-East-peace-plan

How are the leaders of both of the countries today?

The Israeli leadership is better due to Israel democracy, rule of law, transparancy but both sides have had corrupt leaders but Israel is better at prosecuting and convicting it's corrupt leaders whereas the Palestinians tend to get away with it. Abbas is currently in the Abbas In 9th Year of 4 Year Term to give you a example of the failures of Palestinian democracy.

How are the minorities in Israel treated?

They have full rights under Israeli law theorecticallty so generally not too bad given that Israeli-Arabs represent a people at war with Jews for over 65 years. All religions are respected with each responsible for certain things; eg births, deaths, marriages.

Any suggestions as to how this whole issue could be resolved?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?63590-My-Middle-East-peace-plan
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?78147-My-Middle-East-Peace-Plan-(Part-2)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?85415-My-Middle-East-Plan-(Part-3)-Palestinians-Are-Zionism-s-Greatest-Untappled-Resource

[alb0zfinest]

Does the Jewish state have a right to exist?

Yes, besides ideological, religious or historical justification or the fact Israel has existed for 65 years and also that it is a successful country and has defended it's right to exist multiple times; Israel has many legal frameworks underpinning it's existance (more than most countries in fact) including the San Remo conference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Remo_conference and the 1947 UN vote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

It is a sad reflection of the anti-Israel mentality that no one asks the same question of that other state partitioned at the exact time as Israel and also as a religious homeland (and also leading to a territorial dispute, refugees, wars); Pakistan.

It must also be pointed out that 79% of the British Mandate of Palestine was already illegally given to the Arabs by Britain after the San Remo conference when Jordan was formed;

http://www.xtimeline.com/__UserPic_Large/2119/ELT200709150831025311187.PNG

http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/newpdf/Pal-under-BritishMandate192.gif


How are the ties between Israelis and Palestinians both historically and in the modern time?

Not great, neither side trusts the other to a large extent. Blame is mainly on the Palestinian leadership and their absolutist agenda and failure to accept the partition plan of 1947 and famous "three no's ;"

"no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_Resolution


. Historically about 80% Palestinians are descended from Islamised Jews/Israelites/Samaritans so relations were fine.

What treaties were enacted to create peace between the two?

1949 Lausanne Conference
1978 Camp David Accords
1991 Madrid Conference
1993 Oslo I / 1995 Oslo II
1997 Hebron Protocol
1998 Wye River Memorandum
1998 Sharm el-Sheikh
2000 Camp David / Parameters
2001 Taba
2003 Road Map
2007 Annapolis

What do you say about the settlements?

Mainly what I've said here;
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?63590-My-Middle-East-peace-plan

How are the leaders of both of the countries today?

The Israeli leadership is better due to Israel democracy, rule of law, transparancy but both sides have had corrupt leaders but Israel is better at prostecuting and convicting it's corrupt leaders whereas the Palestinians tend to get away with it. Abbas is currently in the Abbas In 9th Year of 4 Year Term to give you a comparison of Palestinian democracy.

How are the minorities in Israel treated?

They have full rights under Israeli law theorecticallty so generally not too bad given that Israeli-Arabs represent a people at war with Jews for over 65 years. All religions are respected with each responsible for certain things; eg births, deaths, marriages.

Any suggestions as to how this whole issue could be resolved?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?63590-My-Middle-East-peace-plan
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?78147-My-Middle-East-Peace-Plan-(Part-2)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?85415-My-Middle-East-Plan-(Part-3)-Palestinians-Are-Zionism-s-Greatest-Untappled-Resource

Thank you very much for your help. I'm very grateful.