Do we really need to be part of EU?

[MegaArgus1]

http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2013-10/04/content_30199126.htm

Macedonia is among the ten best places to start a business, according to the latest World Bank report.

The report notes that Macedonia is ranked fifth because over the past five years the country has simplified the process of establishing a business by lowering capital requirements, reducing application procedures and time, and improving its online one-stop shop.

http://www.doingbusiness.org/rankings

http://www.doingbusiness.org/data/exploreeconomies/south-east-europe/sub/bitola/

On the other hand what is the benefit of being a member of EU?

http://demonocracy.info/infographics/eu/debt_greek/debt_greek.html

http://www.euronews.com/2013/08/01/seven-weeks-of-street-protests-reveal-both-bulgarias-failure-success/

Or this

http://www.mia.mk/en/Inside/RenderSingleNews/315/107121089

[Crn Volk]

It's true we don't need to be part of the EU or NATO, but that still does not solve the name of our state at the UN.

[Alexq]

being top 10 place to start a business doesn't mean I have money to start a business lol

[iNird]

Ye go try to start a business and see what kind of resistance you will face.

[Skerdilaid]

The only place in Balkans that needs to join EU to stay afloat is Macedonia.

[MegaArgus1]

It's true we don't need to be part of the EU or NATO, but that still does not solve the name of our state at the UN.

What is happening and most likely will continue is :

http://www.neweuropeaneconomy.com/home-mainmenu-51/briefing-mainmenu-86/365-macedonia-reasons-to-be-cheerful
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/13511/45/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_investments_in_the_Republic_of_Macedonia
http://www.puls24.mk/home/macedonia/economy/21469#
http://samvak.tripod.com/nm078.html
http://www.investinmacedonia.com/news

[MegaArgus1]

Macedonia: Salad Days for Investors
http://www.neweuropeaneconomy.com/top-stories/592-macedonia-salad-days-for-investors

As a result of a growing interest in Macedonia’s investment potential, a number of international companies have started operations in the country, both as green-field projects and through different types of asset acquisition and privatisation. Some of the significant foreign investors include Mobilkom Austria (Austria), Deutsche Telecom (Germany), Dräxlmaier Group (Germany), Van Hool (Belgium), Societe Generale (France), Johnson Controls (US), KEMET Corporation (US), the National Bank of Greece (Greece), Hellenic Bottling Company S.A. (Greece), QBE Insurance Group Limited (UK), Mittal Steel (Netherlands), Duferco (Switzerland) and Titan Group (Greece).

[Vojnik]

Better to join in a union with Russia and Serbia. The EU is only sinking.

[Archduke]

Better to join in a union with Russia and Serbia. The EU is only sinking.

Are you suicidal? ;)

Countries like Ukraine and Belarus are not doing well as far as I know.

[Queen B]

EU? No.
NATO? Yes.

In both cases, you have to deal with us :cool:

[Vojnik]

Are you suicidal? ;)

Countries like Ukraine and Belarus are not doing well as far as I know.

Possibly, but atleast we don't have to sell our identity. No Macedonia means no identity for us.

[Archduke]

Possibly, but atleast we don't have to sell our identity.

What do you mean?

[Vojnik]

What do you mean?

We lose our name, we lose our heart and soul. You feel me brother? Bathe Greeks want us gone. Where fuck do we go after we lose our name and our land our ancestor fought for.

[Petros Houhoulis]

We lose our name, we lose our heart and soul. You feel me brother? Bathe Greeks want us gone. Where fuck do we go after we lose our name and our land our ancestor fought for.

You shall lose your land to the Albanians irrespectively of your quarrel with us. As for your soul... You'd better rush to grow a brain...

You know where you go, and you flee as fast as you can, like rats abandoning the sinking ship:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/report-macedonia-drained-by-migration


Makedonishtan Population Drained by Emigration, Report Says
European statistical report saying that more than ten per cent of Makedonishtanis have left their country in little more than a decade has stirred up a debate on emigration.

In a report on migration, the European statistics agency EUROSTAT said that from 1998 to 2011, some 230,000 people left Makedonishtan to live abroad legally.

The figure represents more than ten percent of the country’s population of 2.1 million.

[Vojnik]

You shall lose your land to the Albanians irrespectively of your quarrel with us. As for your soul... You'd better rush to grow a brain...

Thanks for the advice man.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Thanks for the advice man.

You are welcome.

[MegaArgus1]

We lose our name, we lose our heart and soul. You feel me brother? Bathe Greeks want us gone. Where fuck do we go after we lose our name and our land our ancestor fought for.


Sounds like A Macedonian is speaking.


I left you Bulgarian.

Am I finding Serbian?

Who are you today?

[Petros Houhoulis]

A descendant of Krste Petkov Misirkov, in every possible sense. Changing identities like T-shirts is a cherished tradition for him... or maybe her???

[Cail]

Are you suicidal? ;)

Countries like Ukraine and Belarus are not doing well as far as I know.

Ukraine is not in any union with Russia. In fact, their politicians have chosen an associated status with the EU over the customs union with Russia/Belarus/Kazakhstan. Ukraine's going to face major economic problems now... Once Russia starts selling them gas at European prices and charging them European import tariffs.

While Kazakhstan is doing really well economically at the moment. There's a lot of Russian and international investment going on.

[Archduke]

Ukraine is not in any union with Russia. In fact, their politicians have chosen an associated status with the EU over the customs union with Russia/Belarus/Kazakhstan. Ukraine's going to face major economic problems now... Once Russia starts selling them gas at European prices and charging them European import tariffs.

While Kazakhstan is doing really well economically at the moment. There's a lot of Russian and international investment going on.

I see, you know better. :)

But I can say that Bulgaria is doing way better with the EU and without Russia. Especially during the period when the Russian sponsored party was not rulling the country...

[Vojnik]

@ Petro and Mega: It's just a joke, lads.

[Crn Volk]

@ Petro and Mega: It's just a joke, lads.

what is? i hope you're not going the way of Dusan

[MegaArgus1]

what is? i hope you're not going the way of Dusan

Од секоја врба не бива свирче.:rolleyes:

[Vojnik]

what is?

My profile.

[Scholarios]

It is a very good place for Greeks to start a business.

Anyways, the EU isn't all it's cracked up to be.

[Queen B]

We lose our name, we lose our heart and soul. You feel me brother? Bathe Greeks want us gone. Where fuck do we go after we lose our name and our land our ancestor fought for.
You didn't have this name 70 years ago. You were soul-less back then?
Serbians, Bulgarians and Greeks fought for liberation of this land, which of them were your ancestors?

[Crn Volk]

You didn't have this name 70 years ago. You were soul-less back then?
Serbians, Bulgarians and Greeks fought for liberation of this land, which of them were your ancestors?

Oh c'mon Queen B yo're just upset over the crack-down on Golden Dawn

[Queen B]

You didn't have this name 70 years ago. You were soul-less back then?
Serbians, Bulgarians and Greeks fought for liberation of this land, which of them were your ancestors?

[MegaArgus1]

You didn't have this name 70 years ago. You were soul-less back then?
Serbians, Bulgarians and Greeks fought for liberation of this land, which of them were your ancestors?

You must admit that we know better ourselves than you do. Of course you will never admit which is normal from one who Macedonia reads Fyromia. And Macedonians Serbians, Bulgarians and what not. Very interesting thinking from some who fancy themselves as the leaders of the Balkans:picard1:.

[Queen B]

You must admit that we know better ourselves than you do. Of course you will never admit which is normal from one who Macedonia reads Fyromia. And Macedonians Serbians, Bulgarians and what not. Very interesting thinking from some who fancy themselves as the leaders of the Balkans:picard1:.
Can you answer me or not?
Who were you? Serbians, Bulgarians or Greeks?

[Vojnik]

You didn't have this name 70 years ago. You were soul-less back then?


From 1620!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Coat_of_arms_of_Macedonia_1620.jpg/450px-Coat_of_arms_of_Macedonia_1620.jpg

[Vojnik]

Can you answer me or not?
Who were you? Serbians, Bulgarians or Greeks?

Depends on the region that those three ethnicities had influence over. Money and propaganda through churches and schools went a long way in convincing people what they were unnaturally. Generally, the common person had no ethnic concious, but identified with there village or clan. The name Macedonia was always existing among the Slavic speakers of Macedonia.

[Queen B]

From 1620!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Coat_of_arms_of_Macedonia_1620.jpg/450px-Coat_of_arms_of_Macedonia_1620.jpg
The name Macedonia exists since antiquity. I want a proof that this name existed back then, and it had to do with a different ethnicity that is bond with you.
Last time I checked you called yourself Bulgarians, Serbians and Yugoslavians.

Depends on the region that those three ethnicities had influence over. Money and propaganda through churches and schools went a long way in convincing people what they were unnaturally. Generally, the common person had no ethnic concious, but identified with there village or clan. The name Macedonia was always existing among the Slavic speakers of Macedonia.
Who were you? Can you damn answer me?

[Vojnik]

Who were you? Can you damn answer me?

Simple Slavic speaking villagers with no ethnic concious I suppose. Who were you?

[Queen B]

Simple Slavic speaking villagers with no ethnic concious I suppose. Who were you?
So, either Serbians or Bulgarians.
Fine.
We? Greece, obviously.

[Crn Volk]

So, either Serbians or Bulgarians.
Fine.
We? Greece, obviously.

No Vlach or Slav ancestry in you? How 'bout some Arvanite?

[MegaArgus1]

So, either Serbians or Bulgarians.
Fine.
We? Greece, obviously.


You are a mixture of Vlahs, Slavs, Albanians, Turkish Christians and Gypsy. You don't have even 1% Greek blood. Those who you refer as Greeks vanished long ago.

Who we are? We are Slavenized natives in the main who speak Slavic language and have Slavic traditions. Born in Macedonia (mainly, not all) who speak Macedonian language and identify ourselves Macedonians.

You say Macedonians were Greeks. I don't care what they were I know who we are.

You say Macedonians spoke Greek. I don't care which language they spoke. Our language we call Macedonian and that is one from the many Slavic languages.

[MegaArgus1]

Back to the topic.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/vesti_detail.asp?ID=19199

Втора фабрика на „Технохозе“ во Бунарџик

Со инвестиција од 11 милиони евра почнува втората фаза од инвестицијата на италијанската компанија „Технохозе“. Производството ќе се зголеми за три пати, а се предвидуваат нови 150 вработувања. Првите луѓе на италијанската компанија велат дека реинвестираат поради добра бизнис клима.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/uploads/0pogon.jpg

[MegaArgus1]

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/vesti_detail.asp?ID=19197

Македонија е четврта најмалку задолжена земја

[Queen B]

No Vlach or Slav ancestry in you? How 'bout some Arvanite?
I have wrote my ancestry several times. Apart my grandmother's mother that came from Sicily to Zakynthos, I have foreign mix in my family tree.
Who were you again? Bulgarians or Serbians?

You are a mixture of Vlahs, Slavs, Albanians, Turkish Christians and Gypsy. You don't have even 1% Greek blood. Those who you refer as Greeks vanished long ago.

That's amazing. I mean, while the Greek culture is alive through milleniums (obviously because we had bigger population and stronger culture against the invaders), we have ''vanished''.
On the other hand, a ''culture'' that appearead the last 60 years at max, is .... Slavicized natives :rotfl:


Who we are? We are Slavenized natives in the main who speak Slavic language and have Slavic traditions. Born in Macedonia (mainly, not all) who speak Macedonian language and identify ourselves Macedonians.
If someone is a mix of everything is your people.:bored:


You say Macedonians were Greeks. I don't care what they were I know who we are.
You say Macedonians spoke Greek. I don't care which language they spoke. Our language we call Macedonian and that is one from the many Slavic languages.
The fact that you don't care, doesn't change reality.

[Skerdilaid]

Simple Slavic speaking villagers with no ethnic concious I suppose. Who were you?

Honest answer for once:D

[Queen B]

Simple Slavic speaking villagers with no ethnic concious I suppose. Who were you?
Now I saw your answer, that Skerdilaid pointed out.:thumb001:

[Crn Volk]

Honest answer for once:D

And you were conquered by them, and you fled to the mountains, remember? What does that make you?

[Crn Volk]

Now I saw your answer, that Skerdilaid pointed out.:thumb001:

You have been at war with those villages for centuries....

[Queen B]

You have been at war with those villages for centuries....
We did? :bored:

[Skerdilaid]

And you were conquered by them, and you fled to the mountains, remember? What does that make you?

The only thing you conquered is the field where we worked your assess day and night;)


Why the need for the low blows, aren't you Sokol after all? Anyway i commented that he did say the truth nothing more or less, remember that your kind of Slavs also extended into Kosova, and they never called themselves Serbs:)

[Vojnik]

Honest answer for once:D

But the same did apply to many villagers of different ethnicities, not only to Macedonian Slavs.

[Vojnik]

Now I saw your answer, that Skerdilaid pointed out.:thumb001:

100 years ago, your ancestors probably had no ethnic concious either.

One thing I do know about my ancestors is that they always identified with Macedonia and always kept the name close, they were always Macedonians. ;)

[Queen B]

100 years ago, your ancestors probably had no ethnic concious either.

Greeks (and specifically my ancestors) always had. It's well RECORDED.


One thing I do know about my ancestors is that they always identified with Macedonia and always kept the name close, they were always Macedonians. ;)
Yeap. after all, its... recorded :lol:

[Vojnik]

Greeks (and specifically my ancestors) always had. It's well RECORDED.

Yeap. after all, its... recorded :lol:

Yep, through oral tradition.

And first you must analyse in what context Greek was used, if it has indeed been recorded (which I doubt). We all know what it meant during Ottoman times......

[Queen B]

Yep, through oral tradition.
And first you must analyse in what context Greek was used, if it has indeed been recorded (which I doubt). We all know what it meant during Ottoman times......
The seperated Greek ethnicity, conciousness, language, culture. Everything.
Oral tradition :rotfl:

[Scholarios]

The birthplace of Modern Greek consciousness was Thessaloniki.

[ioan assen]

I find it hard to believe that a person didnt have any idea what his ethnicity was even in the Middle ages. I think there is enough evidence that the Macedonians saw themselves as Bulgarian ethnically up till the 40ties.

[Scholarios]

I find it hard to believe that a person didnt have any idea what his ethnicity was even in the Middle ages. I think there is enough evidence that the Macedonians saw themselves as Bulgarian ethnically up till the 40ties.

I remember that when Rebecca West went to Ochrid, she asked some boys who built the fortress there. They said " the old people". And she asked who were. The old people, were they Turks or Bulgarians or who? They looked confused and said something like " no, they were Christians".

The Byzantines seemed to know who was a Bulgarian and who was a Roman though..

[Petros Houhoulis]

You must admit that we know better ourselves than you do. Of course you will never admit which is normal from one who Makedonishtan reads Fyromia. And Makedonishtanis Serbians, Bulgarians and what not. Very interesting thinking from some who fancy themselves as the leaders of the Balkans:picard1:.

We are not the "Leaders of the Balkans". Ironically, the Balkans have been such a wild place that we were not the leader even in antiquity. The Ancient Macedonians had not even heard of Skoupi!!!

You are not FYROMia, you are ALBANIA!!!

[Petros Houhoulis]

From 1620!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Coat_of_arms_of_Macedonia_1620.jpg/450px-Coat_of_arms_of_Macedonia_1620.jpg

You should tell those fairytales somewhere else. Just because the Austro-Hungarian empire needed allies against the Ottoman empire and conscripted all the Balkaners it could, it does not mean that those Balkaners were indeed aligned with the Austro-Hungarian cause (in their vast majority they had no idea what was going on) and above all, this "coat of Arms" or the name "Macedonia" itself were unheard of in the Balkans at that time (1620)...

The whole story sums up into "European reads ancient history and imagines fictional identities based upon the past". Hell, Comintern dreamed of a "Thracian" ethnos too, and it wasn't hallucinating in the 17th century but fully into the 20th century!!!

[Petros Houhoulis]

Depends on the region that those three ethnicities had influence over. Money and propaganda through churches and schools went a long way in convincing people what they were unnaturally. Generally, the common person had no ethnic concious, but identified with there village or clan. The name Makedonishtan was always existing among the Slavic speakers of Makedonishtan.

Indeed, the Slavic speakers of Macedonia had no idea of the name Macedonia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sclaviniae#See_also


The Slavs on the territory of today Makedonishtan: Berziti, Strumiani and Draguvites.
The Slavs on the territory of today Greece: Belegezites, Ezeritai and Melingoi.
The Slavs on the territory of today Serbia: Branicevci, Timochani and White Serbs.
The Slavs on the territory of today Croatia: Sokci, Guduscani, Lendians and White Croats.
The Slavs on the territory of today Bulgaria: Seven Slavic tribes, Smolyani and Severians.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1081/700zc1.png

I don't see any tribe named "Macedonian". Do you?

Oh, shit, for whomevers' sake, go read some Misirkov you idiot!


If the formation of the South Slav peoples was a mechanical and political process it would not be impossible that it might recur in present times. Within the South Slav language complex there are several branches outside the Serbian and Bulgarian political units; these are the Makedonishtani dialects. These branches, since they are closely allied, naturally have some connection linking them more closely with Bulgarian in the east and Serbian in the north. These branches have been given various names at various times but it was not until the last quarter of the nineteenth century that these names overlapped so much as to displace one another. These various names did not properly catch on, and gradually they began to give way until finally they were replaced by the natural description Slav" with a "Makedonishtani" reflection from the geographical area in which they were distributed. The people who spoke these dialects had once been called "Slavs" and later either "Serbs" or "Bulgarians" until the rivalry between these two names made them both alien to the Makedonishtani Slavs, who started calling themselves after the old geographical name of their country. The name Makedonishtani was first used by the Makedonishtani Slavs as a geographical term to indicate their origin. This name is well known to the Makedonishtani Slavs and all of them use it to describe themselves. Since the formation of nationalities is a political and mechanical process, all the necessary conditions exist for Makedonishtan to break off as an independent ethnographic region. The Makedonishtanis have a common country which is gradually, with the reforms, breaking off into an independent political whole in which there are "several branches of the South Slav chain of languages": these branches can easily be united through a general recognition of the central one as the means of expression of the literary language of all intelligent people in Makedonishtan and as the language of books and schools. Thus all the conditions for the national revival of the Makedonishtanis are clearly visible, and, even from the point of view of the other historical theory (concerning the formation of small ethnographic units from a larger unit on the Balkan Peninsula), this is completely logical.

Alright?

[Petros Houhoulis]

You are a mixture of Vlahs, Slavs, Albanians, Turkish Christians and Gypsy. You don't have even 1% Greek blood. Those who you refer as Greeks vanished long ago.

Who we are? We are Slavenized natives in the main who speak Slavic language and have Slavic traditions. Born in Makedonishtan (mainly, not all) who speak Makedonishtani language and identify ourselves Makedonishtanis.

You say Macedonians were Greeks. I don't care what they were I know who we are.

You say Macedonians spoke Greek. I don't care which language they spoke. Our language we call Makedonishtani and that is one from the many Slavic languages.

What is that bullshit that they teach you "You don't have even 1% Greek blood"? There is a very good understanding of genetics nowadays, and a few things that are certain is that there is no "Greek blood", or even "Bulgarian blood" or "Albanian blood"... Those Greeks have not vanished and you can ask Sikeliot and anybody else who has bothered to deal with genetics in this forum... You are not born that much in Ancient Macedonia but mostly in Triballia or in Illyrida or in Paeonia... Not to mention Australia, the U.S. of A. and Canada... And you are fucking idiots doomed to get extinct in a few decades.

Who the fuck gives a shit about what you think you are... You are dead men walking!!!

Your language is a Bulgarian dialect and you should get used to it...

[Petros Houhoulis]

You have been at war with those villages for centuries....

...And the most of them have vanished under us: No more Melingoi Ezeritai and Velezegites... The Sagudates are all but extinct... While the Albanians are currently finishing off the Berzites right now and they have marked the Draguvites for extinction too!!!

Good riddance...

[Petros Houhoulis]

But the same did apply to many villagers of different ethnicities, not only to Makedonishtani Slavs.

Yes indeed, but the Serb and Greek identities rose up first, the Bulgarians followed, the Albanians after them and you were next...

[Petros Houhoulis]

100 years ago, your ancestors probably had no ethnic concious either.

One thing I do know about my ancestors is that they always identified with Makedonishtan and always kept the name close, they were always Makedonishtanis. ;)

Only after they dropped the name Slav and Bulgar, according to Misirkov. Even before, you belonged to various minor tribes that Misirkov had no idea about. You have not been using that name for long...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Yep, through oral tradition.

And first you must analyse in what context Greek was used, if it has indeed been recorded (which I doubt). We all know what it meant during Ottoman times......

Greek meant Greek during the Ottoman times. Another term was misinterpreted during the Ottoman times and by Turks like Pontios up to this day: Romioi (Romans).

[Petros Houhoulis]

I find it hard to believe that a person didnt have any idea what his ethnicity was even in the Middle ages. I think there is enough evidence that the Makedonishtanis saw themselves as Bulgarian ethnically up till the 40ties.

You find it hard to believe it because you had an education. If you did not like the most of the peasants of the Middle Ages, you would have noticed the difference.

[MegaArgus1]

What is that bullshit that they teach you "You don't have even 1% Greek blood"? There is a very good understanding of genetics nowadays, and a few things that are certain is that there is no "Greek blood", or even "Bulgarian blood" or "Albanian blood"... Those Greeks have not vanished and you can ask Sikeliot and anybody else who has bothered to deal with genetics in this forum... You are not born that much in Ancient Macedonia but mostly in Triballia or in Illyrida or in Paeonia... Not to mention Australia, the U.S. of A. and Canada... And you are fucking idiots doomed to get extinct in a few decades.

Who the fuck gives a shit about what you think you are... You are dead men walking!!!

Your language is a Bulgarian dialect and you should get used to it...

Greek blood if figurative expression or metaphor, meaning you are not related to original Greeks. South of Greece predominately are Albanian decedents, and north of Greece are predominantly Turkish newcomers. Only because they were Christians they were exchanged with Muslims (including Macedonian Muslims).

[Vojnik]

Greek meant Greek during the Ottoman times. Another term was misinterpreted during the Ottoman times and by Turks like Pontios up to this day: Romioi (Romans).

Greek meant an educated person in the Ottoman Empire. A Turk was a Muslim, which is why Albanians were just noted as Turks. And so on......

[Vojnik]

Only after they dropped the name Slav and Bulgar, according to Misirkov. Even before, you belonged to various minor tribes that Misirkov had no idea about. You have not been using that name for long...


Much much longer then the Pontians and Karamanlides, that's for sure.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Greek blood if figurative expression or metaphor, meaning you are not related to original Greeks. South of Greece predominately are Albanian decedents, and north of Greece are predominantly Turkish newcomers. Only because they were Christians they were exchanged with Muslims (including Bulgarian Muslims).

Only a moron like you would believe that the Turks who barely make a 15% of the modern Turkish population (according to their own opinion) could have possibly overwhelmed half of Greece. Of course the jerks like you believe that the "Tatars" make up the most of the Bulgarian population too, and some jerk of yours was making a fuss because 1~2.5% of the Bulgarian population has East Asian genes, while you claimed you had none... Why don't move your head out of your arsehole for a change?

As for the Albanians in the Peloponesse, they might account for as much as 5% of the population there, but no more. In any case, those Arvanites are not much different genetically from the Pelasgians and the proto-Greeks, so it's not even worth mentioning a genetic impact...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Greek meant an educated person in the Ottoman Empire. A Turk was a Muslim, which is why Albanians were just noted as Turks. And so on......

So an educated Jew or an educated Armenian was a Greek back then? What about an educated Turk or an educated Arab?

We know know that you are stupid. Now start explaining to us "I did not mean that, I meant the Christian Balkan educated folks who used Greek as lingua franca for trading purposes..."

[Petros Houhoulis]

Much much longer then the Pontians and Karamanlides, that's for sure.

Is "much much longer" two or three decades? And whom of you were using it back then really? A 5% or a 10% of your total population?

You really like making a fool out of yourself, aren't you?

For me the Pontians and the Karamanlides are still Pontians and Karamanlides. They are Macedonians only in a geographic sense, which you are no longer anyway...

[eeroli]

Who want to be part of EU? We have paid billions to southern europe, enough is enough. Take care of youselfs and those illegal immigrants. I give a flying fuck what happens to them, but dont let those subs travel to north.

[Crn Volk]

Is "much much longer" two or three decades? And whom of you were using it back then really? A 5% or a 10% of your total population?

You really like making a fool out of yourself, aren't you?

For me the Pontians and the Karamanlides are still Pontians and Karamanlides. They are Macedonians only in a geographic sense, which you are no longer anyway...

No we are in an ethnic sense, and geographical Macedonia includes Vardar, Egej and Pirin Macedonia. Now get your head out of your arse for a change.

[MegaArgus1]

Only a moron like you would believe that the Turks who barely make a 15% of the modern Turkish population (according to their own opinion) could have possibly overwhelmed half of Greece. Of course the jerks like you believe that the "Tatars" make up the most of the Bulgarian population too, and some jerk of yours was making a fuss because 1~2.5% of the Bulgarian population has East Asian genes, while you claimed you had none... Why don't move your head out of your arsehole for a change?

As for the Albanians in the Peloponesse, they might account for as much as 5% of the population there, but no more. In any case, those Arvanites are not much different genetically from the Pelasgians and the proto-Greeks, so it's not even worth mentioning a genetic impact...

You Cant Keep A Straight Face. Try Not To Insult.

[Petros Houhoulis]

You Cant Keep A Straight Face. Try Not To Insult.

Wow! What happened? Did you try to report me because you don't know fucking shit about the Turkish genes and I make a fool of you all of the time?

Maybe you should start learning a few things from the relevant threads you moron:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69472-Are-Turks-quot-Turko-Mongols-quot

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?92189-What-were-the-original-Turkics-racially

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?87932-what-race-are-turks

If and when you shall learn a few things about history, geography and genetics, you might begin to command some respect in here. Until then you shall be trolled to death...

...Knucklehead...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Who want to be part of EU? We have paid billions to southern europe, enough is enough. Take care of youselfs and those illegal immigrants. I give a flying fuck what happens to them, but dont let those subs travel to north.

Well, in fact it was your "humanitarian instincts" and former colonization that brought them to Europe. As far as I can recall Greece was created when the Muslims were kicked out and the Christians were brought in...

If Europe falls apart, forget free trade and any sort of stopping the invasion of Islamist refugees/colonists in our borders...

[Petros Houhoulis]

No we are idiots in an ethnic sense, and geographical Macedonia is Macedonia. Vardar is Paeonia/Triballia/Illyrida but soon shall be Albania.

Yes, I agree..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Macedonian_Kingdom.jpg

[Crn Volk]

[QUOTE=Sokol;1980336]No we are idiots in an ethnic sense, and geographical Macedonia is Macedonia. Vardar is Paeonia/Triballia/Illyrida but soon shall be Albania.[QUOTE]

Yes, I agree..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Macedonian_Kingdom.jpg

Ah those damn 19th century Europeans. How dare they include Skopje in geographical Macedonia. Oh , hang on a minute, they also defined the borders of modern greece.....What's good for the goose....you know they rest

[MegaArgus1]

Wow! What happened? Did you try to report me because you don't know fucking shit about the Turkish genes and I make a fool of you all of the time?

Maybe you should start learning a few things from the relevant threads you moron:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69472-Are-Turks-quot-Turko-Mongols-quot

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?92189-What-were-the-original-Turkics-racially

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?87932-what-race-are-turks

If and when you shall learn a few things about history, geography and genetics, you might begin to command some respect in here. Until then you shall be trolled to death...

...Knucklehead...

You really need a professional help.

http://whatsallthistalkaboutpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/526691_10150802824251682_500511681_9866265_7292264 35_n.jpg

[Scholarios]

You really need a professional help.

http://whatsallthistalkaboutpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/526691_10150802824251682_500511681_9866265_7292264 35_n.jpg

That was a First rate deflection there.

[MegaArgus1]

http://www.dnevno.hr/slike/Karikature/clanci/83155/1_Dobro%20dosli%20u%20eu.jpg

[Petros Houhoulis]

Ah those damn 19th century Europeans. How dare they include Skopje in geographical Macedonia. Oh , hang on a minute, they also defined the borders of modern greece.....What's good for the goose....you know they rest

What was good for the goose again?

http://www.bitsofnews.com/images/graphics/map_ancient_greece_large.jpeg

Not to mention Magna Graecia and other places in the Mediterranean...

[Petros Houhoulis]

You really need a professional help.

http://whatsallthistalkaboutpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/526691_10150802824251682_500511681_9866265_7292264 35_n.jpg

For what? Making better comedies? I think we are fine in this aspect dear, you have fallen behind...

[Petros Houhoulis]

http://www.dnevno.hr/slike/Karikature/clanci/83155/1_Dobro%20dosli%20u%20eu.jpg

Yeah, that's right... Those outside of the E.U. have it better: Belarus, Moldova, your own protectorate...

[epirot]

Sokol is cool.... oops i just ruined my thumbs down number, the tatar will go wild after me! LOL

come on lil tatar, start clicking like a mad dog with foam in your mouth !

[Petros Houhoulis]

Sokol is cool.... oops i just ruined my thumbs down number, the tatar will go wild after me! LOL

come on lil tatar, start clicking like a mad dog with foam in your mouth !

A ratio of 2 negative thumbs for every positive received is very good for you right now...

[Crn Volk]

Sokol is cool.... oops i just ruined my thumbs down number, the tatar will go wild after me! LOL

come on lil tatar, start clicking like a mad dog with foam in your mouth !

lol....

[MegaArgus1]

"По долго време влечење за нос, ваквата одлука е поважна за Европската унија отколку за Република Македонија."

http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/DetalNewsInstant.asp?vestInstant=25835

http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/Uploads/NewsInstant/small/17102013164312_milan%20zver.jpg

[Petros Houhoulis]

"По долго време влечење за нос, ваквата одлука е поважна за Европската унија отколку за Република Македонија."

http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/DetalNewsInstant.asp?vestInstant=25835

http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/Uploads/NewsInstant/small/17102013164312_milan%20zver.jpg

The Slovenians have been supporting you for years, but you have been going nowhere with or without their support...

[MegaArgus1]

Neither Athens nor Brussels can stop us from working for a better tomorrow. - No one can stop us to reform our state, to improve the economy. Nobody, least Greece can stop us to improve the quality of life for our citizens as per the recipe of the developed states of the European Union. Greece can endlessly do so, but this generation of political leaders will continue even more vigorously the pace of creating jobs, attracting foreign investment, building roads and railroads, developing tourism, improving healthcare and education, and giving more subsidies to farmers, he said.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/vesti_detail.asp?ID=20616

[Bugarash 1893]

Neither Athens nor Brussels can stop us from working for a better tomorrow. - No one can stop us to reform our state, to improve the economy. Nobody, least Greece can stop us to improve the quality of life for our citizens as per the recipe of the developed states of the European Union. Greece can endlessly do so, but this generation of political leaders will continue even more vigorously the pace of creating jobs, attracting foreign investment, building roads and railroads, developing tourism, improving healthcare and education, and giving more subsidies to farmers, he said.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/vesti_detail.asp?ID=20616

Yeah,whatever...
Now tell him to connect me with his daughter

http://images.plusinfo.mk/medium_pics/2013/01/03/ivaa.jpg

BTW his daughter gets naked in Belgrade,while his son gets busted with drugs in Greece.

http://www.24vesti.mk/sites/default/files/imagecache/medium/2013/05/23/19153/images/44118.jpg

Interesting family...

[MegaArgus1]

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/vesti_detail.asp?ID=20616

Јавно прашувам кој има право да се откаже од крвта на Илинденците или од крвта на партизаните кои загинаа за Македонија? Дали една личност која е избрана на некоја позиција, смее макар и да помисли дека за овој народ и за оваа држава постои друго име освен Македонија? Дали нема некој да го пече совеста заради солзите на македонските мајки кои подеднакво страдаа како и нивните синови-борци, ако размисли макар и за миг дека постои алтернатива на името Македонија? Кој е тој маж или жена, макар бил и лидер на партија, носител на некоја функција или обичен член што ќе рече дека треба да ја свиткаме кичмата или да го смениме името, а нема да помине неказнето од овој народ? Кои се тие луѓе? Со име и со презиме да кажеме за да одзвонуваат како тажен спомен низ вековите. И да опоменуваат како не треба да се постапува кон оваа света земја, рече Вељаноски.

Македонскиот народ, нагласи, бил и ќе биде единствено токму тој - Македонски, како и нашиот јазик, култура и идентитет.

- Народот не му дал на никого мандат по белосветските метрополи да ветува промена на името. Меѓутоа, народот ни дал мандат да работиме за македонските интереси, рече спикерот додавајќи дека на овој пат ќе бидеме уште поуспешни доколку сме единствени. - Оваа битка ќе ја извојуваме доколку, наместо во медиуми на други држави опозицијата да ја обвинува Македонија, пред македонските да даде поддршка на Владата во намерата за одбрана на името. Оваа голема препрека ќе ја извојуваме, доколку наместо да ја кодошиме својата земја, ќе ја браниме заедно со луѓето кои сега тоа го прават, рече Вељаноски.

Тој ја повика опозицијата заеднички да ја издвојуваат битката за одбрана на уставното име и идентитет.

[MegaArgus1]

Yeah,whatever...
Now tell him to connect me with his daughter

http://images.plusinfo.mk/medium_pics/2013/01/03/ivaa.jpg

BTW his daughter gets naked in Belgrade,while his son gets busted with drugs in Greece.

http://www.24vesti.mk/sites/default/files/imagecache/medium/2013/05/23/19153/images/44118.jpg

Interesting family...

The great bugarski fucking dog...

http://littledixiedynamite.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/fuck-you-and-your-fucking-feelings1.jpg?w=529&h=569

[Petros Houhoulis]

Neither Athens nor Brussels can stop us from working for a better tomorrow. - No one can stop us to reform our state, to improve the economy. Nobody, least Greece can stop us to improve the quality of life for our citizens as per the recipe of the developed states of the European Union. Greece can endlessly do so, but this generation of political leaders will continue even more vigorously the pace of creating jobs, attracting foreign investment, building roads and railroads, developing tourism, improving healthcare and education, and giving more subsidies to farmers, he said.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/vesti_detail.asp?ID=20616

That's why you lost the 13% of your population within a decade...