Classify Arab-Israeli Violinist Siwar Mansour

[Gospodine]

A 9th-generation Palestinian-Israeli from Al-Tira in Northern Israel.

http://yaleherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Interview.jpg
http://artsfuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Heartbeat-Yzn+Siwar.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/-6bHi4uokUA/maxresdefault.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6bHi4uokUA

[aherne]

Semitic with Alpine mix. Ugly woman!

[Roy]

Arabid/Alpinoid. She's not ugly.

[Farah]

I don't really see much of the Arabid ? She seems to be Med-Alpine. Maybe it's just the psychological perception but I always found Palestinians who stayed in what is now Israel start to look like Israelis. I mean, those in the Galilee/North.

She's pretty! (cute song)

[aherne]

Not to mention she looks super-Jewish.

[YeshAtid]

Is she Christian?
East med
Pretty:thumb001:

[Farah]

Is she Christian?
East med
Pretty:thumb001:

Don't think so, people of Tira are Muslims.

[YeshAtid]

Don't think so, people of Tira are Muslims.

A lot of Palestinians are Islamised though

[Farah]

A lot of Palestinians are Islamised though

and before Christianity, her ancestors may have been Jewish, and before that, her ancestors may have been pagan. What does it change. :D

[YeshAtid]

and before Christianity, her ancestors may have been Jewish, and before that, her ancestors may have been pagan. What does it change. :D

Her phenotype. Arabs and levantines look very different

[Farah]

Her phenotype. Arabs and levantines look very different

If she's Muslim today ≠ she is from Arabian peninsula. You said it yourself, her ancestors may have converted at some point but it doesn't take away her indigenous roots.

I don't get the correlation you and ariel keep falsely advocating.

[YeshAtid]

If she's Muslim today ≠ she is from Arabian peninsula. You said it yourself, her ancestors may have converted at some point but it doesn't take away her indigenous roots.

I don't get the correlation you and ariel keep falsely advocating.

Palestinians are largely levantine and thus are indigenous, as well as Jews . I'm not claiming that Palestinians are Arabians but are by and large Arabised, which should be undone by conversion to Judaism via hallacha.

[ariel]

and before Christianity, her ancestors may have been Jewish, and before that, her ancestors may have been pagan. What does it change. :D

farah

one cherry picked pic proving nothing

lets see how palestinians look in the reality

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/9903/770xq.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img18/4760/640x3926204182005.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img826/8599/fatah2108061739552.jpg

[randomguy1235]

Her phenotype. Arabs and levantines look very different

What does that have to do with her being Muslim? Don't espouse the retarded assertions made by our resident clown aa100 (ariel).

[YeshAtid]

What does that have to do with her being Muslim? Don't espouse the retarded assertions made by our resident clown aa100 (ariel).

Muslim levantines have some Arabid in them but its minor

[Farah]

farah

one cherry picked pic proving nothing

lets see how palestinians look in the reality

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/9903/770xq.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img18/4760/640x3926204182005.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img826/8599/fatah2108061739552.jpg

The first picture is probably that of Palestinian Bedouins, likely from the Negev. As you know, majority of Palestinians don't wear that specific clothes which is famously attributed to Bedouins.

I don't see what is wrong with the other 2 pictures? They still fit within the Levantine phenotypes spectrum. If it's because they're dark skinned, again, Levantines have a range of complexions and it's normal.

[ariel]

Muslim levantines have some Arabid in them but its minor

muslim levantines are predominate arabians

The plots reveal a Levantine structure not reported previously: Lebanese Christians and all Druze cluster together, and Lebanese Muslims are extended towards Syrians, Palestinians, and Jordanians, which are close to Saudis and Bedouins

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1003316

[YeshAtid]

What does that have to do with her being Muslim? Don't espouse the retarded assertions made by our resident clown aa100 (ariel).

The ones that look Arabid, as you've said as well, aren't native and should be given two choices

[ariel]

The first picture is probably that of Palestinian Bedouins, likely from the Negev. As you know, majority of Palestinians don't wear that specific clothes which is famously attributed to Bedouins.

I don't see what is wrong with the other 2 pictures? They still fit within the Levantine phenotypes spectrum. If it's because they're dark skinned, again, Levantines have a range of complexions and it's normal.

you can compared them with christian levantines

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/4166/qdrg.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img839/9819/ozk0.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img199/557/8g5g.jpg


look the same?

[YeshAtid]

muslim levantines are predominate arabians

The plots reveal a Levantine structure not reported previously: Lebanese Christians and all Druze cluster together, and Lebanese Muslims are extended towards Syrians, Palestinians, and Jordanians, which are close to Saudis and Bedouins

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1003316

Some Muslims are very dark granted but they have some Levantine in them

[ariel]

Some Muslims are very dark granted

majority of muslims are of bedouin stock....

[Gospodine]

The ones that look Arabid, as you've said as well, aren't native and should be given two choices

What is your solution for Sephardim and Mizrahim who look Arabid or otherwise ethnically questionable? Deportation? Segregation? Yemenite, Iranian, Iraqi, Moroccan and Central Asian Jews cluster well away from most Ashkenazim, as well as looking predominantly "un-European" (if this is of crucial importance to you).

[YeshAtid]

What is your solution for Sephardim and Mizrahim who look Arabid or otherwise ethnically questionable? Deportation? Segregation? Yemenite, Iranian, Iraqi, Moroccan and Central Asian Jews cluster well away from most Ashkenazim, as well as looking predominantly "un-European" (if this is of crucial importance to you).

:picard2:They don't look Arabid at all, they're east med. They're Israeli citizens so that's a moot point. For the Palestinians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cDOxitcvo8

[randomguy1235]

you can compared them with christian levantines

[Images posted]

look the same?

Yes...My family is lighter complexioned/more Europid phenotypically (comparatively) than the individuals you posted.

[YeshAtid]

Yes...My family is lighter complexioned/more Europid phenotypically (comparatively) than the individuals you posted.

You could pass in Europe tbh

[Farah]

you can compared them with christian levantines

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/4166/qdrg.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img839/9819/ozk0.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img199/557/8g5g.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img199/557/8g5g.jpg

I'm certain these are Lebanese people. You do know that Lebanese, Syrians and Palestinians can look different even though they have a shared heritage? It's like me expecting Italians, Spaniards and French to look exactly the same. Your agenda is truly illogical.

[randomguy1235]

You could pass in Europe tbh
I disagree, but thanks for your opinion :). If i could, it'd be atypically in the East med.

[YeshAtid]

I disagree, but thanks for your opinion :). If i could, it'd be atypically in the East med.

Perhaps. Anyway, the Palestinians can have peace but they don't want it so ...

[randomguy1235]

Perhaps. Anyway, the Palestinians can have peace but they don't want it so ...

LOL. That's such a general and disingenuous statement X).

[Farah]

PS Ariel, these guys are Palestinian Christians from Ramallah. What exactly is the difference from the Palestinian guys you posted?

http://www.firstpalestine.org/images/kakishandboys_001.jpg

[Gospodine]

:picard2:They don't look Arabid at all, they're east med.

There are plenty that do, besides representing other phenotypes that are rather alien to Europe. So I'm just wondering, given that they are genetically distant from the Ashkenazi majority of Jews worldwide and as a majority, rather un-European phenotypically, do you extend to them the same kind of ultimatum you would to Arabid Levantines?

Surely if dark Levantines are not native, but fair-skinned, Euro-admixed Ashkenazim are, how are Sephardim and Mizrahim accepted?

[YeshAtid]

LOL. That's such a general and disingenuous statement X).
3 No's of Khartoum
Tabah 2001
Annapolis

I should rephrase it and state that the Palestinian leadership don't want peace as it's a good cash cow for them(eu aid). Abbas could make peace if he wanted but he refused:picard2:

[ariel]

What is your solution for Sephardim and Mizrahim who look Arabid or otherwise ethnically questionable? Deportation? Segregation? Yemenite, Iranian, Iraqi, Moroccan and Central Asian Jews cluster well away from most Ashkenazim, as well as looking predominantly "un-European" (if this is of crucial importance to you).

sephardic dosent look arabids at all.

actually sephardic jews cluster to levantines

The plots reveal a Levantine structure not reported previously: Lebanese Christians and all Druze cluster together, and Lebanese Muslims are extended towards Syrians, Palestinians, and Jordanians, which are close to Saudis and Bedouins. Ashkenazi Jews are drawn towards the Caucasus and Eastern Europe, reflecting historical admixture events with Europeans, while Sephardi Jews cluster tightly with the Levantine groups

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1003316

sephardic people cluster to cypriots btw

[YeshAtid]

There are plenty that do, besides representing other phenotypes that are rather alien to Europe. So I'm just wondering, given that they are genetically distant from the Ashkenazi majority of Jews worldwide and as a majority, rather un-European phenotypically, do you extend to them the same kind of ultimatum you would to Arabid Levantines?

Surely if dark Levantines are not native, but fair-skinned, Euro-admixed Ashkenazim are, how are Sephardim and Mizrahim accepted?

It's a religion grouping rather than a race. Under Aliyah, converts can also live in Israel.

A plan was developed by Israeli Cabinet Secretary Elyakim Rubenstein, who negotiated secretly for many months with rabbis from Conservative, Reform and Orthodox Judaism, including faculty at Yeshiva University, with Lamm as Rosh Yeshiva. They were planning to create a joint panel that interviewed people who were converting to Judaism and considering making aliyah (moving to the State of Israel), and would refer them to a beth din that would convert the candidate following traditional halakha. All negotiating parties came to agreement:[citation needed]
Conversions must be carried out according to halakha
the beth din (rabbinic court) overseeing the conversion would be Orthodox, perhaps appointed by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, and
there would be three-way dialogue throughout the process.
Many Reform rabbis took offense at the notion that the beth din must be strictly halakhic and Orthodox, but they acquiesced. However, when word about this project became public, a number of leading haredi rabbis issued a statement denouncing the project, condemning it as a "travesty of halakha". Rabbi Moshe Sherer, Chairman of Agudath Israel World Organization, stated that "Yes we played a role in putting an end to that farce, and I'm proud we did". Norman Lamm condemned this interference by Sherer, stating that this was "the most damaging thing that he [Sherer] ever did in his forty year career".[34]
Rabbi Lamm wanted this to be only the beginning of a solution to Jewish disunity. He stated that had this unified conversion plan not been destroyed, he wanted to extend this program to the area of halakhic Jewish divorces, thus ending the problem of mamzerut.

[Illancha]

The plots reveal a Levantine structure not reported previously: Lebanese Christians and all Druze cluster together, and Lebanese Muslims are extended towards Syrians, Palestinians, and Jordanians, which are close to Saudis and Bedouins. Ashkenazi Jews are drawn towards the Caucasus and Eastern Europe, reflecting historical admixture events with Europeans, while Sephardi Jews cluster tightly with the Levantine groups
Had a good laugh, thanks for that.

[ariel]

Had a good laugh, thanks for that.

good laugh about genetic study :picard2:

you not expert to this topic sorry....

[Illancha]

good laugh about genetic study :picard2:

you not expert to this topic sorry....
Well since we are so related can I get Israeli citizenship? I will claim I have Jewish ancestors and let my curly hair grow longer as well if that helps.

[Kiyant]

Well since we are so related can I get Israeli citizenship? I will claim I have Jewish ancestors and let my curly hair grow longer as well if that helps.

Im going too.

[ariel]

Well since we are so related can I get Israeli citizenship? I will claim I have Jewish ancestors and let my curly hair grow longer as well if that helps.

you could find easilly job as a comedian ;)

[Illancha]

you could find easilly job as a comedian ;)
Sure, I don't mind, but first I need an Israeli passport.

[Kiyant]

Can i get a job in politics when i get a passport?

[Equilibrium]

lol the famous debate again.

Ontopic: She isn't Arabid, but pred. Armenid with East-Med influences.

[YeshAtid]

Can i get a job in politics when i get a passport?

Lol, an MK is a giyur

[Smeagol]

Arabid + Alpinoid.