Neloithic DNA

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Pre Pottery Neolithic B Syria

Total mtDNA=16

K=5 31.25%, T2b=3 18.75%, H=2 12.5%(H5=1 6.25%), L2a1=2 12.5%, H or K=2 12.5%, C1=1 6.25%, R?=1 6.25%
Dja’de el Mughara

7,400-6,700bc mtDNA hg=1: T2b=1

Tell Halula
8,800-7,750ybp mtDNA=10 : T2b=2, H or K=2, L2a1=2 K?=2, H5=1, R?=1

Tell Ramad
6,000-5,750bc mtDNA=5: K=3, H=1, C1=1


Halaf culture Amuq Turkey
6,000-5,800bc and 6,000-4,000bc
mtDNA hg=4: H3a?=4

Cardiel Spain
Total
mtDNA hg= 10: H=3, N*=3, K=2, U5=1, X1=1
Can Sadurni 5,475-5,305bc
mtDNA hg=7: N*=3, K=1, H=1, U5=1, X1=1
Chaves 5,329-4,999bc
mtDNA hg=3: H=2, K=1


Dneiper Donets Ukraine
Total
mtDNA=10: C=4(C4a2=1), U=4(U1?=1, U3=1, U5a1a=1), H=2, T=2

Yasinovatka mtDNA=8: H=2(5,479-5,604bc, 5,557-4,792bc), U=2(U3(5,474-5,225bc),( U1?=1(5,437-5,090bc)(Excluded from Nikitin 2012, presumably among results which failed to replicated), C=2 ((5,741-5,223bc)(C4a2=1(5,323-4,941bc), T=2 (5,616-5,482bc(Excluded from Nikitin 2012, presumably among results which failed to replicated)

Nikolskoye mtDNA hg=2 U5a1a(5,358-4,993bc), C(undated)

Impressed ware Portugal 5,500-4,750bc
mtDNA= U=2(U*=1, U5=1), H=1, V=1

Koros culture Vor 52 Hungary 5,500bc mtDNA=1: C5=1

LBK culture
Total LBK
Y DNA hg=3 F M89(X I,J,K,H,G)=1, G2a3 L30=1, F(I,J,K,G,H)=1
mtDNA=66: H=17 25.7%(H*=4, H1=3(H1j=1, H1bz=1, H1e=1), H23=1, H26=1, H46b=1, H88=1)(H?=2) T=14 21.21%(T2=7(T2 reported as T=1)(T2b=3(T2b reported as T2=2)(T2b23a reported as T2=1), N1a=8 12.12%(N1a1=7(N1a1a=6(N1a1a1=2, N1a1a2=1, N1a1a3=1), N1a1b=1), K=11 16.6%, J=7 10.6%(J1c=1, J*=1), U=3 4.5%(U5a1a=1, U3=1), W=2, V=2, HV=2

*****n Schletz, Austria 5,000bc? mtDNA hg=1: H*=1
Eilsleben, Germany 5,000bc? mtDNA hg=1: H*=1
Flomborn, Germany 5,000bc? mtDNA hg=5 H*=1, N1a1a1=1, T=1, K=2
Schwetzingen , Germany 5,000bc? mtDNA hg=1 H*=1
Halberstadt, Germany mtDNA hg=7 H=4(H1e=1, H23=1, H26=1), N1a1a2=1, T=1, V=1
Karsdorf, Germany 5,000bc? mtDNA hg=3: H=3(H1bz=1, H46b=1)
Unterwiederstedt Germany 5,000bc? mtDNA hg=9: J=2, K=2, N1a1a=3(N1a1a3=1), T2=2 (T2b23a reported as T=1, T2 reported as T=1)
Seenhausen, Germany 5,000bc? mtDNA hg=1: J*=1
Schwetzingen , Germany 5,000bc? mtDNA hg=3: T=3
Vaihingen an der , Germany 5,000bc? mtDNA hg=1: U3=1
Vedrovice, Czch Republic 5,300bc mtDNA hg=8: K=3, T2=2, H=1, J1c=1, U=1

Derenburg Meerenstieg II , Germany
Total Derenburg
Y DNA hg=3: F M89(X I,J,G,H,K)=1, G2a3 L30=1, F(I,J,G,H,K)=1
mtDNA hg=26: T=5 19%( T2=3(T2b reported as T2=2), H=5 19%(H1j=1, H88=1, H?=2), K=4 15.4%, J=3 11.5% N1a=3 11.5%(N1a1=2(N1a1a1=1, N1a1b=1), W=2 8%, HV=2 U5a1a=1 4%, V=1 4%

5,247bc mtDNA hg= 1: HV=1, Y DNA hg=1: F(xI,J,K,H,G)=1
5,122bc mtDNA hg=1: H1j
5,117bc mtDNA hg=2 N1a1a1=1, T2b=1
5,112bc mtDNA hg=3 H=2(H?=1), HV=1
5,000bc? Y DNA hg=2 G2a3 L30=1, F(I,J,K,H,G)=1, mtDNA hg=17: H=2(H88=1, H?=1), K=3, J=3, T=4(T2=2(T2b=1), N1a=2(N1a1b=1), W=2, U5a1a=1
4,982bc mtDNA hg=1: K
4,910bc mtDNA hg=1: V


Alfold culture(branch of LBK) Hungary 5,250-5,000bc
Ecsegfalva mtDNA=2: N1a=2(N1a1b=1), Floyas mtDNA=1: H? reported as H=1

Tiza culture Hungary 5,000-4,500bc
Szegvar mtDNA hg=1: H?=1, Kiskore mtDNA=1: D1/G1a1=1

Epicardiel culture Avellaner cave, Catalonia, Spain 5,000bc
mtDNA=7: K1a=3, T2b=2, H3=1, U5=1
Y DNA=6 G2a P15=5, E1b1b V13=1

Lengyel culture Asziod Hungary 5,000-5,300bc mtDNA=1: H? reported as H=1

Rossen culture, Oberweiderstedt, Germany 4,625-4,250bc mtDNA=10: H=4 40%(H1=1, H5b=1, H16=1, H89=1), HVO(reported as HV)=1 10%, T2=2 20%(T2e=1), X2j(reported as X2)=1, N1a1a=1, K=1

Mezzocorona, Trentino-South Tyrol Italy 4,444-4,326bc mtDNA=1: T2b3a=1

Sant Pau del Camp Spain 4,250-3,700bc mtDNA=3: H20=1, K=1, N*=1

Borgo Nuovo, Trentino- South Tyrol Italy 4,240-3,930bc mtDNA=1: H?=1

Megalithic Prisse la charriere France mtDNA=3: N1a=1, U5b=1, X2=1

Schöningen, Germany 4,100-3,950bc mtDNA=2: H=2(H10i=1, H1e7=1)

Navarre Spain
Total
Total Navarre Spain
mtDNA=37: H=16 43.2%(H? reported as H=10),(? reported as H=3),(H1a1? reported as H3=2), U=10 27%(U? reported as H=1), K=4 10.8%(K reported as K1a=3), J=2 5.4%, T2=1 2.7%, X=1 3%, I=1 2.7%, HV? reported as HV=1 2.7%, H11a or L1b=1 2.7%
Los Casjos
4,185-3,185bc mtDNA=27: H=11 40.7%( H? reported as H=7, ? reported as H=3), U( U?reported as H=1)=9 33.3%, K(reported as K1a)=3 11.1% , J=2 7.4%, T2=1 3.7%, X=1 3.7%
Paternanbidea, Ibero, Pamplona, Navarra
4,090-3,960bc mtDNA=9: H=5 (H1a1? reported as H3=2), I=1, HV=1, K=1
Paternanbidea Ibero, Pamplona mtDNA=1: U=1

Nerja, Malaga mtDNA=1: H11a or L1b=1

Baalburge group of branch of funnel beaker culture
Esperstdt, Germany 3,950-3,400bc mtDNA=1: H1e1a5
Halle - Quesi Germany 3,950-3,400bc mtDNA=1: H7d5

Camıi de Can Grau Granollers, Barcelona Spain 3,500-3,000bc mtDNA=11: H=4(H?=3), T2=2, J=2, U4=1, W1=1, I1c1=1

San Juan Ante Portam Latinam, Araba Spain 3,300-3,042bc mtDNA=38: H=23 60.5%, K=14 36.8%, U=11 29%, J=10 26%, T or X=3 7.9%

Altai Republic, Gorney Altai Russia 3,500bc mtDNA hg=1: A4=1

Slazmude Germany 3,400-3,025bc mtDNA hg=2: H3=2

Cucuteni-Trypillia culture Verta cave Ukriane mtDNA h\=6: H=2 (3,634-3,358bc, 3,619-2,936bc), T2a1b1 reported as T4=1(3,638-3,370bc), J=1 (3,006-2,488bc), pre HV=1(3,511-3,099bc), HV/V=1(3,006-2,578bc)

Calden and Odagsen Germany 3,400-3,000bc mtDNA=7 Calden H2=2, HVO=1, X2=1, Odagsen HVO=2, H2=1
TOTAL H2=3, HVO=3, X2=1

Spain
total mtDNA=6: U=5(U5=2(U5a=1), H=2(H? reported as H=1, ? reported as H=1)
Marizulo 3,285bc mtDNA=1: U5=1
Fuente Hoz 3,240-3,160bc mtDNA=6: U=4(U5a=1), H=2(H? reported as H=1, ? reported as H=1)

Bernber Germany 3,100-2,800bc mtDNA hg=12: H=4, K=3, T=2, V?=1, W=1, X=1

Trellis France 3,000bc mtDNA=29: H=6 20.7%(H1=3, H3=3), J1=6 20.7%,U=6 20.7% ( U5=5 17.2%(U5b1c=1), X2=4 13.8%, T2b=2 7%, K1a=2 7%, HVO=2 7%, V=1 3.5%
Y DNA=22: G2a P15=20 91%, I2a1a1 M26= 2 9%

Santimamiñe cave, Basque Country Spain Late Neloithic mtDNA=1: H1=1

Megalithic Dolmen of La Pierre Fritte, Villeneuve-sur-Yonne France mtDNA=2: K=2(K1a=1)
Y DNA hg=2: I2a1a1 M26=2

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Neolithic DNA UpdateNov. 27 2013

Pre Pottery Neolithic B (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPre-Pottery_Neolithic_B&ei=33aWUu2mK6aOyAGYmoDgAw&usg=AFQjCNG9okwx3vrXuQy6jUx47Y3ltPhhvg&sig2=FVRRDgoPR1fpFyKFc_agvA&bvm=bv.57155469,d.cGU) Syria Total mtDNA=16
K=5 31.25%(K?=2), T2b=3 18.75%, H=2 12.5%(H5=1), L2a1=2 12.5%, H or K=2 12.5%, C1=1 6.25%, R?=1 6.25%
Dja’de el Mughara (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dja%E2%80%99de_el_Mughara)
7,400-6,700BC mtDNA=1: T2b=1
Tell Halula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_Halula)
6,800-5,750BC mtDNA=10 : T2b=2, H or K=2, L2a1=2 K?=2, H5=1, R?=1
Tell Ramad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_Ramad)
6,000-5,750BC mtDNA=5: K=3, H=1, C1=1

Halaf culture (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHalaf_c ulture&ei=2neWUoCcMaqQyQGw0oCADg&usg=AFQjCNF_HdAMAmaE9C6XcBghEOBe862FPg&sig2=cRPkXQDVWKhUG2MzXBrN3A&bvm=bv.57155469,d.cGU) Amuq Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amik_Valley)
two from 6,000-5,800BC and two from 6,000-4,000BC
mtDNA=4: H3a?=4

Cardiel culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardium_Pottery) Spain
Total mtDNA= 10: H=3, N*=3, K=2, U5=1, X1=1
Can Sadurni (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Can+Sadurni+Spain&data=!1m4!1m3!1d11390!2d1.7877107!3d41.4244783!4m1 5!2m14!1m13!1s0x12a47cd386584e49%3A0x7083f1db2fb18 88a!3m8!1m3!1d190256!2d-87.7319639!3d41.833733!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!4m2 !3d41.4244789!4d1.7877107) 5,475-5,305bc
mtDNA hg=7: N*=3, K=1, H=1, U5=1, X1=1
Chaves (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Chaves++Spain&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0xd2f013c18a557b7:0x4d42de4 99026db4c!3m8!1m3!1d11390!2d1.7877107!3d41.4244783 !3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d42.7937077!4d-8.5442927)5,329-4,999bc
mtDNA=3: H=2, K=1

Dneiper Donets culture (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDnieper %25E2%2580%2593Donets_culture&ei=rHiWUpS0O8KiyAGO6oHoBw&usg=AFQjCNGHGlSm96sLF7ES8u53COsBOW7lhw&sig2=Fy8KKNAinSvpIVUhovrNew)Ukraine
Total mtDNA=10: C=3(C4a2=1), U=3(U1?=1, U3=1, U5a1a=1),H=2,T=2

Yasinovatka (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Yasynuvata%2C+Donetsk+Oblast%2C+Ukraine&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x40e0866157befe37%3A0xe06b abbb5765d34!3m8!1m3!1d20278!2d37.8626065!3d48.1276 51!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d48.1277778!4d37.8 625) mtDNA=8: H=2(5,479-5,604bc, 5,557-4,792bc), U=2(U3(5,474-5,225bc),( U1?=1(5,437-5,090bc)(Excluded from Nikitin 2012, presumably among results which failed to replicated), C=2 (5,741-5,223bc)(C4a2=1(5,323-4,941bc), T=2 (5,616-5,482bc)(Excluded from Nikitin 2012, presumably among results which failed to replicated)
Nikolskoye mtDNA=2 U5a1a(5,358-4,993bc)=1, C(undated)=1

Impressed ware culture (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCardium _Pottery&ei=NXmWUt7LH--yygGujIEQ&usg=AFQjCNG1QBEz7n5yvtaITmy1f8rg6WgkyA&sig2=I3V_07amRsLZunTW6klgFg) Portugal 5,500-4,750bc
mtDNA= 4: v bU=2(U*=1, U5=1), H=1, V=1

Koros culture (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FK%25C3% 25B6r%25C3%25B6s_culture&ei=XXmWUqH-HKjcyQH8vICICg&usg=AFQjCNFwOUZ_hM-a97IKJdAnP9OlSQBLjQ&sig2=i3XvP-xbAti-9-7Tsku3GA) Vor 52 Hungary 5,500bc mtDNA=1: C5=1

LBK culture (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLinear_ Pottery_culture&ei=dXmWUo61MOaayQHRnoDADg&usg=AFQjCNE3wbYFfyJwW8VTxfWFlWJ9FM8zvQ&sig2=poynbeatxvt0jUqNQtkVQw)
Y DNA=3: F*(XG,H,I,J,K)=1, F*(G,H,I,J,K)=1, G2a1c L30=1

If it said reported as something else but also had Brand 2013 I did not put it was reported as something else.

mtDNA=114: 5,300BC to 5,000BC?
T=26 22.8%(T2=20(T2b=12(T2b23a=2(T2b23a reported as T2=1), T2b reported as T2=1),T2f=2, T2e=1, T2c=2, T2 reported as T=1), K=24 21%(K1=10(K1a=9, K1b1a=1), K2a5=1), H=19 16.6%(H*=4,H1=3(H1bz=1, H1j=1, H1e=1), H88=1, H26=1, H23=1, H?=1, H46b=1), N1a1=14 12.3%(N1a1a=11(N1a1a3=5(N1a1a3 reported as N1a=1), N1a1a1=2, N1a1a2=1, N1a1areported as N1a by Alder=1), J=13 11.4%(J1c=4(J1c2=1), J*=1), HV=4 3.5%, U=5 4.4%(U5=3(U5a=2(U5a1a'g=1), U5b=1), U3=1), V=5 4.4%, W=3 2.6%, X=1 0.87%

Vedrovice, Moravia, Czech Republic (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Vedrovice%2C+Moravia%2C+Czech+Republic&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x4712ba80d578a2cd%3A0x400a f0f66161270!3m8!1m3!1d20827!2d32.8042881!3d46.7226 515!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d49.0208973!4d16. 3784976), 5,300BCmtDNA=8: K=3, T2=2, H=1, J1c=1, U=1

Derenburg Meerenstieg II, Germany (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Derenburg+Meerenstieg+II%2C+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a57521508420bd%3A0xd11a 2972d3947804!3m8!1m3!1d19925!2d16.3870642!3d49.015 5815!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.87204!4d10.9 0425)
Y DNA=3: F*(XG,H,I,J,K)(5,300-5,226BC?)=1, F*(G,H,I,J,K)(5,000BC?)=1, G2a1c L30(5,000BC?)=1

mtDNA=26: T=6 22.2%(T2=4(T2b=3(T2b23a=1, T2b reported as T2=1), T2f=1)
K=4 14.8%(K1a=2), J=3 11.1%, H=3 11.1%(H1j=1, H88=1, H?=1),N1a1=3(N1a1a=2(N1a1a1=1, N1a1a3=1), (N1a1b=1), HV=3 11.1%, W=2 7.4%, V=1 3.7%,U5a1a'g=1 3.7%.

Halberstadt, Germany, (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Halberstadt%2C+Germany%2C&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a59eceb86dfa07%3A0x4236 659f8073d50!3m8!1m3!1d2345!2d10.90425!3d51.87204!3 m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.8943897!4d11.05373 38) 5298-5247 BC to 5000 BC ?
mtDNA=31:
T2=7 24%(T2b=6, T2c=1), K=7 24%(K1a=4), N1a1=6 20.7%(N1a1a=4(N1a1a3=2,N1a1a2=1), V=4 13.8%, H=4 10.3%(H26=1, H23=1, H1e=1), X=1 3.4%, W=1 3.4%, J=1

Karsdorf, Germany (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Karsdorf%2C+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a42801b889553b%3A0x4236 659f806e700!3m8!1m3!1d74986!2d11.0718441!3d51.8986 77!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.2719518!4d11.6 560487)5140-5089 BC to 5000 BC ?
mtDNA=23:
H=7 30.4%(H1bz(LBK?)=1, H46b=1, H(LBK?)=4), K=5 22%(K1=3(K1a(LBK?)=2(K1b1a(LBK?)=1), K2a5(LBK?)=1), J=4 17.4%(J1c=3(J1c2=1) J(LBK?)=1, T2=3 13%(T2b=1, T2f(LBK ?)=1, T2e(LBK?)=1), U5=2 8.7%(U5a=1, U5b(LBK?)=1)HV(LBK?)=1 4.3%, N1a1a3(LBK?)=1 4.3%

Eilsleben, Germany (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Eilsleben%2C+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a5874033468471%3A0x8f4f 3dff0882e203!3m8!1m3!1d38011!2d11.6383604!3d51.276 1008!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d52.1475824!4d11 .2206758) 5,000BC?
mtDNA=1: H*=1
Flomborn, Germany (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Flomborn%2C+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47962720bfdba46b%3A0x422d 4d510db1d50!3m8!1m3!1d37285!2d11.221466!3d52.14803 63!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d49.6914632!4d8.15 11565) 5,000BC?
mtDNA=5: K=2, H*=1, N1a1a1=1, T=1
Schwetzingen, Germany (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Schwetzingen%2C+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x4797c7f23cdaf9f5%3A0x93ed ba482e59d93e!3m8!1m3!1d19653!2d8.1444318!3d49.6925 727!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d49.3852193!4d8.5 722445)5,000BC?
mtDNA=4: H*=1, T=3
Naumburg, Germany (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Naumburg%2C+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a699ce4cd085d5%3A0x4236 659f8071330!3m8!1m3!1d39560!2d8.5450295!3d49.37790 1!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.151531!4d11.804 9199)5,000BC?
mtDNA=4: T2=2(T2b=1, T2c=1), J=1, K1a=1
Unterwiederstedt, Germany 5,000BC?
mtDNA=9: N1a1a=3(N1a1a reported as N1a by Alder=1, N1a1a3 reported as N1a=1,N1a1a=1), J=2, K=2, T2=2(T2 reported as T=1, T2b23a reported as T2=1)
*****n Schletz, Austria (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=*****n+Schletz%2C+Austria&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x476d3c7a70002925%3A0x999a aafd001e92c0!3m8!1m3!1d76250!2d11.7961357!3d51.137 5108!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d48.5799!4d16.46 895) 5,000BC?
mtDNA=1: H*=1
Seehausen, Germany (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Seehausen%2C+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x479dae01b3e08413%3A0x41e4 8add78b9d40!3m8!1m3!1d10050!2d16.46895!3d48.579899 5!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d47.6867141!4d11.18 60692)5,000BC?
mtDNA=1" J*=1
Vaihingen an der, Germany, (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Vaihingen+an+der%2C+Germany%2C&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47977e92715a6971%3A0x41ff d3c8d092fe0!3m8!1m3!1d40898!2d11.164249!3d47.69354 66!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d48.9334357!4d8.96 1208)5,000BC?
mtDNA=1: U3=1


Alfold culture (http://www.donau-archaeologie.de/doku.php/kulturen/eastern_lpc)( Eastern branch of LBK) Hungary 5,250-5,000bc
Ecsegfalva (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Ecsegfalva%2C+Hungary&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x4746c12af9b42aff%3A0x400c 4290c1e2ed0!3m8!1m3!1d79803!2d8.9691415!3d48.95206 72!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d47.14789!4d20.923 9261) mtDNA=2: N1a=1,
Floyas mtDNA=1: H? (reported as H)=1

Tiza culture Hungary 5,000-4,500bc
Szegva (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Szegvar+Hungary&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47440b3a1ab8db2f%3A0xc842 850585793fdc!3m8!1m3!1d82660!2d20.924972!3d47.1410 325!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d46.5816447!4d20. 2266415)r mtDNA=1: H?(reported as H)=1, Kiskore (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Kiskore+Hungary&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x4740df5371e13107:0x400c42 90c1e2290!3m8!1m3!1d83532!2d20.234292!3d46.5774705 !3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d47.4984608!4d20.497 3608) mtDNA=1: D1/G1a1=1, Aszod H?(reported as H)=1

Epicardiel culture (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&ved=0CGkQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCardium _Pottery&ei=RXuWUs7REYf7yAG104C4CA&usg=AFQjCNG1QBEz7n5yvtaITmy1f8rg6WgkyA&sig2=Zp6bCyurhqbv_EYXZH7sPg) Avellaner cave, Catalonia, Spain (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=+Catalonia%2C+Spain+&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x12a45bdc8530f5f3%3A0x100f ae021a3c850!3m8!1m3!1d82075!2d20.4729576!3d47.5158 975!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d41.5911589!4d1.5 208624)5,000bc
mtDNA=7: K1a=3, T2b=2, H3=1, U5=1
Y DNA=6 G2a P15=5, E1b1b V13=1

Lengyel culture (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLengyel _culture&ei=jnuWUsutMsKRygHhrYHgBw&usg=AFQjCNFIke0vYkRCplUpO8LchG-xYWhgJQ&sig2=reuiKP28XtQYW77Y0m1C0w) Asziod Hungary (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=aszod+hungary&data=!1m4!1m3!1d40909!2d19.47854!3d47.679714!4m12! 2m11!1m10!1s0x4741ca83dab5f2a5%3A0x5e3ca016ca216a4 1!3m8!1m3!1d190256!2d-87.7319639!3d41.833733!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1)5,0 00-5,300bc mtDNA=1: H? reported as H=1

Rossen culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B6ssen_culture), Germany 4,686-4,407BC
Total
N=11: H=4(H16a'c=1, H89=1, H1=1, H5b=1), T2=2(T2f=1, T2e=1), HVO=1, V=1, X2c=1, K=1, N1a1a=1
Oberweiderstedt (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Oberwiederstedt+germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a5c4fcd073f8e3%3A0x4236 659f80719d0!3m8!1m3!1d1451917!2d1.7458628!3d41.692 2484!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.6653606!4d11 .5223272): N=9: H=4(H16a'c=1, H89=1, H1=1, H5b=1), T2f=1, K=1, HVO=1, N1a1a=1
Halberstadt (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Halberstadt+germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a59eceb86dfa07%3A0x4236 659f8073d50!3m8!1m3!1d9422!2d11.5306694!3d51.66631 89!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.8943897!4d11.0 537338): N=1: V=1
Esperstedt (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Esperstedt+germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a42abdfd19e7d7%3A0x4236 659f8071ad0!3m8!1m3!1d74986!2d11.0718441!3d51.8986 77!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.4235974!4d11.6 749051): N=1 T2e=1

Mezzocorona, Trentino-South Tyrol Italy (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Mezzocorona%2C+Trentino-South+Tyrol+Italy&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47827c845dd41bcf%3A0xb12c 2bb173fe060e!3m8!1m3!1d18947!2d11.6781416!3d51.417 7936!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d46.2153444!4d11 .1199184) 4,444-4,326bc mtDNA=1: T2b3a=1

Sant Pau del Camp Spain (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Sant+Pau+del+Camp+Spain&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x12a4a25ea687f291%3A0x9f6b e169fc83d2f2!3m8!1m3!1d10512!2d11.1240622!3d46.210 0959!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d41.376193!4d2.1 68964) 4,250-3,700bc mtDNA=3: H20=1, K=1, N*=1

Borgo Nuovo, Trentino- South Tyrol Italy (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Borgo+Nuovo,+Trentino-+South+Tyrol+Italy&data=!4m37!1m36!4m8!1m3!1d2850!2d2.1689638!3d41.37 61926!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!10b1!19m6!1e1!1e2!1e 9!1e10!1e12!4smaps_sv.tactile!20m13!1e1!1e2!1e3!1e 4!1e5!1e9!1e10!1e11!1e12!2m2!1i203!2i100!5smaps_sv .tactile!26m4!1e12!1e13!1e3!4smaps_sv.tactile) 4,240-3,930bc mtDNA=1: H?=1

Megalithic Prisse la charriere France (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Prisse+la+charriere+France&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x4800d214e9fda007%3A0x405d 39260e83100!3m8!1m3!1d667289!2d11.4296878!3d46.655 781!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d46.155143!4d-0.483511) mtDNA=3: N1a=1, U5b=1, X2=1

Schoningen culture, Salezmunde Germany 4,172-3,968BC
mtDNA=31
K=9 29%(K1a=6), H=5 16%(H1e7=2, H10i=1), J=5 16%(J1c=3, J2b1a=1), T2=3 9.67%(T2c=1, T2f=1, T2b=1), U=3 9.67%(U5b=2(U5b2a2c=1, U5b3=1), U8b1b=1), W1c=3 9.67%, HV=1 3.2%, N1a1a3=1 3.2%, X2b1'2'3'4'5'6=1 3.2%


<script src="http://ap.lijit.com///www/delivery/fpi.js?z=221379&u=apricity&width=300&height=250" type="text/javascript"></script>Navarre Spain (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Navarre+Spain&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0xd5092f797c95685:0x1dab19b 7d77c8a0e!3m8!1m3!1d42094!2d-0.484998!3d46.149501!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3 d42.6953909!4d-1.6760691)
Total
mtDNA=36: H=16 44.4%(H? reported as H=10),(? reported as H=3),(H1a1? reported as H3=2), U=10 27%(U? reported as H=1), K=4 10.8%(K reported as K1a=3), J=2 5.4%, T2=1 2.7%, X=1 3%, I=1 2.7%, HV? reported as HV=1 2.7%, H11a or L1b=1 2.7%
Los Casjos
4,185-3,185bc mtDNA=27: H=11 40.7%( H? reported as H=7, ? reported as H=3), U( U?reported as H=1)=9 33.3%, K(reported as K1a)=3 11.1% , J=2 7.4%, T2=1 3.7%, X=1 3.7%
Paternanbidea, Ibero, Pamplona, Navarra
4,090-3,960bc mtDNA=9: H=5 (H1a1? reported as H3=2), I=1, HV=1, K=1
Paternanbidea Ibero, Pamplona mtDNA=1: U=1

Nerja, Malaga (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Nerja%2C+Malaga+spain&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0xd72251226dc9a3d%3A0xe8a54 2008b9b37b8!3m8!1m3!1d715481!2d-1.6120165!3d42.6123429!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2 !3d36.7565204!4d-3.8724658) mtDNA=1: H11a or L1b=1

Baalberge culture (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBaalber ge_group&ei=FX2WUsehAYizyAHWxIBA&usg=AFQjCNHVdJ9MUjEhR3HXYciT3aqyLIgRlw&sig2=Nm3A4N9IH4NxAap1pgmR4w)(branch of Funnel Beaker), Germany 3,950-3,400BC to 3,500BC?
Total mtDNA=19
H=5 26.3%(H1e1a5=1, H7d5=1), T=5 26.3%(T2=4(T2c=2, T2b=1, T2e=1), K1a=2 10.5%, U=2 10.5%(U8a1a=1, U5b2a2=1), X=2 10.5%(X2c=1), J=1 5.2%, HV=1 5.2%, N1a1a=1 5.2%

Quedlinburg (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Quedlinburg,+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a5a2d492193369:0x423665 9f8058c70!3m8!1m3!1d24341!2d-3.8740777!3d36.7547487!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2 !3d51.7920562!4d11.141448), 3,950-3,510BC
mtDNA=14: T2=3(T2c=1, T2b=1, T2e=1), K1a=2, H=2, X=2(X2c=1), U=2(U5b2a2=1, U8a1a=1), HV=1, J=1, N1a1a=1
Karasdorf (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Karsdorf%2C+Saxony-Anhalt%2C+Germany&data=!4m12!2m11!1m10!1s0x47a42801b889553b%3A0x4236 659f806e700!3m8!1m3!1d75161!2d11.1545691!3d51.7941 417!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1) 3,950-3,400BC
mtDNA=2: T=2(T2c=1, T1a1'3=1)
Halle-Queis (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Halle-Queis%2C+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a6612b03246b2f%3A0xa236 65c882525f0!3m8!1m3!1d38011!2d11.6383604!3d51.2761 008!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.4764921!4d12. 1340492) 3,950-3,400BC
mtDNA=1: H7d5=1
Esperstedt (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Esperstedt,+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a42abdfd19e7d7:0x423665 9f8071ad0!3m8!1m3!1d4731!2d12.1316313!3d51.4769567 !3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.4235974!4d11.674 9051)3,887-3,797BC
mtDNA=1: H1e1a5=1
Salzmunde (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Salzmunde,+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a67915af7b7c63:0x423665 9f80709f0!3m8!1m3!1d18947!2d11.6781416!3d51.417793 6!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.5269917!4d11.82 81602)3,500BC?
mtDNA=1: H=1

Blatterhole, Germany from 3,922-3,196BC
Fisher Gatherer dating from 3,922-3,448BC mtDNA=9: U5=9(U5b=5(U5b2=3(U5b2b=2(U5b2b2*=1, U5b2b(2*)=1), U5b2a2=1)

Farmer dating from 3,869-3,196BC mtDNA=9: H=5(H5=3(H5*=2), H11a=1,H1c3*=1), U5b2a=3(U5b2a2=2, U5b2a5=1), J=1

Camıi de Can Grau Granollers, Barcelona Spain 3,500-3,000bc mtDNA=11: H=4(H?=3), T2=2, J=2, U4=1, W1=1, I1c1=1

Salzmunde culture, Salzmunde Germany 3,400-3,171BC
mtDNA=28
H=9 32%(H5=5, H3=2), J=6 21.4%(J1c=4, J2b1a=1), U=4 14.2%(U3a=3, U5b=1), K1=3 10.7%(K1a=2(K1a4a1a2=1), N1a1a3=2 7.14%, T2b=1 3.6%, X2b1'2'3'4'5'6=1 3.6%, V=1 3.6%, HV=1 3.6%
Altai Republic (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Altai+Republic,+&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x42c62695a667e959:0x103c6a f52459450!3m8!1m3!1d2341!2d85.95!3d51.95!3m2!1i102 4!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d50.6181924!4d86.2199308), Gorney Altai Russia 3,500bc mtDNA=1: A4=1

San Juan Ante Portam Latinam, Araba Spain (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=San+Juan+Ante+Portam+Latinam,+Araba+Spa in&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0xd5036f3e9058323:0x60c85cc 462a882f1!3m8!1m3!1d2454394!2d86.8963035!3d50.8647 095!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d43.053111!4d-2.189695) 3,300-3,042bc mtDNA=38: H=23 60.5%, K=14 36.8%, U=11 29%, J=10 26%, T or X=3 7.9%

Cucuteni-Trypillia culture (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCucuten i-Trypillian_culture&ei=QH6WUpPfO8SEygGFqIHwCg&usg=AFQjCNFMy0jP1RbX3WyfaCrLlt4GPFHCcA&sig2=8h9COuL_462lZEK9wL_1dQ) Verta cave Ukraine mtDNA=6: H=2 (3,634-3,358bc, 3,619-2,936bc), T2a1b=1(3,638-3,370bc), J=1 (3,006-2,488bc), pre HV=1(3,511-3,099bc), HV/V=1(3,006-2,578bc)

Calden (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Calden,+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47bb161bde69c8f7:0x5df9a0 3b8108e32b!3m8!1m3!1d2775!2d-2.1897061!3d43.0531137!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2 !3d51.4062631!4d9.4024668) and Odagsen (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Odagsen+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47bace0528eec9af:0x709106 285af11c00!3m8!1m3!1d75800!2d9.3544488!3d51.409717 5!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d51.784731!4d9.8720 68) Germany 3,400-3,000bc mtDNA=7
TOTAL H2=3, HVO=3, X2=1
Calden H2=2, HVO=1, X2=1, Odagsen HVO=2, H2=1


Spain
total mtDNA=6: U=5(U5=2(U5a=1), H=2(H? reported as H=1, ? reported as H=1)
Marizulo 3,285bc mtDNA=1: U5=1
Fuente Hoz (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Fuente+Hoz,+Spain&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0xd578d49a7b9d0e9:0x68e37e0 4cb70c6c4!3m8!1m3!1d4699!2d9.8703422!3d51.7844867! 3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d42.6898549!4d-0.3059364) 3,240-3,160bc mtDNA=6: U=4(U5a=1), H=2(H? reported as H=1, ? reported as H=1)

Bernberg culture, Benzingerode Germany (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Benzingerode+Germany&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47a50b167f1c1ed3:0x413de2 d3f3f095da!3m8!1m3!1d2791!2d-0.3060404!3d42.6898872!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2 !3d51.83458!4d10.8671)3,104-2,919BC to 3,100-2,650BC
Total mtDNA=17
U5=5 29.4%(U5b=3(U5b2a1a=1, U5b1a1=1), U5a=2), H=4 23.5%(H5=1, H1e1a3=1), K1=3 17.64%(K1a=1), T2b=2 11.7%, W=1 5.88%, X=1 5.88%, V=1 5.88%


Trellis France (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Trellis+France&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x80c2b94a5c7e8877:0x25b390 f33a095384!3m8!1m3!1d9387!2d10.8650687!3d51.833772 7!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d34.073968!4d-118.371213) 3,000bc mtDNA=29: H=6 20.7%(H1=3, H3=3), J1=6 20.7%,U=6 20.7% ( U5=5 17.2%(U5b1c=1), X2=4 13.8%, T2b=2 7%, K1a=2 7%, HVO=2 7%, V=1 3.5%
Y DNA=22: G2a P15=20 91%, I2a1 P37.2= 2 9%


Santimamiñe cave, Basque Country Spain (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=+Basque+Country+Spain+&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0xd4fd1dee354ac6f:0x308230a 14ae3bd3c!3m8!1m3!1d3146!2d-118.3712947!3d34.0739663!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4 m2!3d42.9896248!4d-2.6189273)Late Neloithic mtDNA=1: H1=1


Megalithic (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMegalit h&ei=Q3-WUqO5JJTYyAHwloDYCg&usg=AFQjCNF5Bgvhi2OBGhCdXVVtFiqeq9pYRg&sig2=XF_7NbKE9r4aRGOJi1RYoQ) Dolmen of La Pierre Fritte, Villeneuve-sur-Yonne France (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=La+Pierre+Fritte%2C+Villeneuve-sur-Yonne+France+&data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47eedd7c77eec07d%3A0x38b2 f522f53d284b!3m8!1m3!1d2524!2d3.6319071!3d48.34658 15!3m2!1i1024!2i731!4f13.1!4m2!3d48.346601!4d3.631 958)2750-2725 BC mtDNA=2: K=2(K1a=1)
Y DNA=2: I2a1 P37.2=2

[Black Wolf]

Another very important finding about Neolithic autosomal DNA from Dienekes blog. I know that you have already seen this Fire Haired. Anyways it seems quite obvious now that the Mediterranean autosomal component that both Polako and Dienekes have found in their projects is a marker of the expansion of Neolithic farmers into Europe. It goes along quite well with them also being dominated by Y-DNA haplogroup G.

http://dienekes.blogspot.ca/2013/11/iberian-neolithic-farmer-dna.html

[Fire Haired]

Sverrisdóttir, Oddný Ósk et al.

The Neolithic Portalón individual is genetically most similar to southern Europeans, similar to a Scandinavian Neolithic farmer and the Tyrolean Iceman. In contrast, the Neolithic Portalón individual displays little affinity to two Mesolithic samples from the near-by area, La Brana, demonstrating a distinct change in population history between 7,000 and 4,000 years ago for the northern Iberian Peninsula.


This is exactly what a lot of people excepted once someone got autosomal DNA from a Neolithic Iberian even late Neolithic. I am not sure if you know about this (http://dienekes.blogspot.ca/2013_09_01_archive.html). There are some added Pitted ware hunters and Funnel Beaker farmers. There is also a 8,600 year old Mesolithic hunter gatherer named St. Forvar from Stora Karlsö island (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Stora+Karls%C3%B6+Island&data=!1m4!1m3!1d7226194!2d17.4280127!3d56.9690575! 4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x46f79b219afcc419%3A0xd28f7a71e0 3f5adf!3m8!1m3!1d190256!2d-87.7319639!3d41.833733!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!4m2 !3d57.2855541!4d17.973182)in the Baltic sea who had mtDNA U4b1. Stora Karlsö (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Stora+Karls%C3%B6+Island&data=!1m4!1m3!1d7226194!2d17.4280127!3d56.9690575! 4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x46f79b219afcc419%3A0xd28f7a71e0 3f5adf!3m8!1m3!1d190256!2d-87.7319639!3d41.833733!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!4m2 !3d57.2855541!4d17.973182) island (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Stora+Karls%C3%B6+Island&data=!1m4!1m3!1d7226194!2d17.4280127!3d56.9690575! 4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x46f79b219afcc419%3A0xd28f7a71e0 3f5adf!3m8!1m3!1d190256!2d-87.7319639!3d41.833733!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!4m2 !3d57.2855541!4d17.973182) is extremely extremley close to Gotland which is where the Pitted ware hunter gatherers came from but about 4,000 years later. Unlike the La Brana's and Gotland hunter gatherers who had already inter married with farmers. St. Forvar should have pure hunter gatherer ancestry.

I am shocked by how unmixed the farmers and hunter gatherers stayed. I am also shocked by how similar in ancestry pre Neolithic Europeans were and how similar the Neolithic farmers were. Not all of the farmers in Europe would have been like Otzi and Gok4 though. The reason we know this is because all European ethnic groups(except Sami from what I know) are traditionally farmers but most have much more north European aka hunter gatherer like ancestry and in the Balkans and Italy much more west Asian and southwest Asian. If Indo European's are responsible for this that means in far eastern Europe there were farmers with probably mainly hunter gatherer ancestry. It does seem to me there was a farmer race in at least central, northern, and western Europe. We don't know exactly who all the farmers in Europe were genetically though. It does make sense that the Meditreaen component in Europe is straight from the farmers.

[Black Wolf]

Sverrisdóttir, Oddný Ósk et al.


This is exactly what a lot of people excepted once someone got autosomal DNA from a Neolithic Iberian even late Neolithic. I am not sure if you know about this (http://dienekes.blogspot.ca/2013_09_01_archive.html). There are some added Pitted ware hunters and Funnel Beaker farmers. There is also a 8,600 year old Mesolithic hunter gatherer named St. Forvar from Stora Karlsö island (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Stora+Karls%C3%B6+Island&data=!1m4!1m3!1d7226194!2d17.4280127!3d56.9690575! 4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x46f79b219afcc419%3A0xd28f7a71e0 3f5adf!3m8!1m3!1d190256!2d-87.7319639!3d41.833733!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!4m2 !3d57.2855541!4d17.973182)in the Baltic sea who had mtDNA U4b1. Stora Karlsö (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Stora+Karls%C3%B6+Island&data=!1m4!1m3!1d7226194!2d17.4280127!3d56.9690575! 4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x46f79b219afcc419%3A0xd28f7a71e0 3f5adf!3m8!1m3!1d190256!2d-87.7319639!3d41.833733!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!4m2 !3d57.2855541!4d17.973182) island (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Stora+Karls%C3%B6+Island&data=!1m4!1m3!1d7226194!2d17.4280127!3d56.9690575! 4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x46f79b219afcc419%3A0xd28f7a71e0 3f5adf!3m8!1m3!1d190256!2d-87.7319639!3d41.833733!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!4m2 !3d57.2855541!4d17.973182) is extremely extremley close to Gotland which is where the Pitted ware hunter gatherers came from but about 4,000 years later. Unlike the La Brana's and Gotland hunter gatherers who had already inter married with farmers. St. Forvar should have pure hunter gatherer ancestry.

I am shocked by how unmixed the farmers and hunter gatherers stayed. I am also shocked by how similar in ancestry pre Neolithic Europeans were and how similar the Neolithic farmers were. Not all of the farmers in Europe would have been like Otzi and Gok4 though. The reason we know this is because all European ethnic groups(except Sami from what I know) are traditionally farmers but most have much more north European aka hunter gatherer like ancestry and in the Balkans and Italy much more west Asian and southwest Asian. If Indo European's are responsible for this that means in far eastern Europe there were farmers with probably mainly hunter gatherer ancestry. It does seem to me there was a farmer race in at least central, northern, and western Europe. We don't know exactly who all the farmers in Europe were genetically though. It does make sense that the Meditreaen component in Europe is straight from the farmers.

This adds again to the case for the Mediterranean autosomal component being a marker of the spread of Neolithic farmers into and through Europe. It is quite clear now also that the North European autosomal component is mostly made up of Mesolithic hunter-gatherer alleles. We know that the North European component reaches it's highest frequencies among Lithuanians and Finns which makes sense because these areas were the last areas to receive agriculture in Europe besides the Sami as you mentioned above. The spread of the North European component in Europe that we see among modern Europeans could have even started mostly from the Northeast after the hunter-gatherers had received agriculture most through technological exchange and flow of ideas at least initially. Once these hunter-gatherers became farmers they then expanded themselves with movements of Indo-European peoples into areas further West and South in Europe.

An alternative scenario could be also that the North European component seen in Northwestern and Southwestern Europe today is from the native Mesolithic hunter-gatherers in those regions there who adopted farming.

[Fire Haired]

This adds again to the case for the Mediterranean autosomal component being a marker of the spread of Neolithic farmers into and through Europe. It is quite clear now also that the North European autosomal component is mostly made up of Mesolithic hunter-gatherer alleles. We know that the North European component reaches it's highest frequencies among Lithuanians and Finns which makes sense because these areas were the last areas to receive agriculture in Europe besides the Sami as you mentioned above. The spread of the North European component in Europe that we see among modern Europeans could have even started mostly from the Northeast after the hunter-gatherers had received agriculture most through technological exchange and flow of ideas at least initially. Once these hunter-gatherers became farmers they then expanded themselves with movements of Indo-European peoples into areas further West and South in Europe.

An alternative scenario could be also that the North European component seen in Northwestern and Southwestern Europe today is from the native Mesolithic hunter-gatherers in those regions there who adopted farming.

I have basically been thinking the same thing. Davidski from Eurogenes has said that most Europeans are around 50% hunter gatherer in ancestry and 50% farmer. The only that are mainly hunter gatherer are Scandinavians and Baltic's.

I doubt that the hunter gatherer ancestry in most areas of Europe today comes mainly from hunter gatherers that lived there in the Mesolithic age. You have a good argument that this is the case at least in some areas of Europe. Since Finland and northeast Baltic began to farm much later than the rest of Europe and they have the highest amount of Mesolithic ancestry.

But how do you explain such farmer like mtDNA in those areas. I think Finnish, Sami, and Baltic's probably mainly descend from people who came in the copper and bronze age. Even though they are the closest to hunter gatherers in autosomal DNA they are not exactly the same. Their mtDNA is just like the rest of Europe vast majority probably farmer lineages except Sami who have 48% U5 out of 499 samples. Sami also have under 1% U2e and U4 and the vast majority of their U5 is under U5b1b1a and 41.6% V which has never been found in European hunter gatherers(except Pitted ware) and when looking at ancient DNA is probably a farmer lineage. U5b1b1a and V could have become the haplogroups of Sami through founder effects. The 7,500 and 3,500 year old mtDNA from Karlie is like other European hunter gatherer samples and unlike modern Sami. Same with mtDNA from suspected Finno-Ugric cultures Kunda and Narva. Their most popular Y DNA haplogroups I1a2 L22 and N1c1 though seem to probably descend from those hunter gatherers in north and northeast Europe. Even though N1c1 lineage originally came from eastern Asia.

[gold_fenix]

i have undertood that West asian and SW asian are the the neolithic component by excellence and mediterranean too is a neolitithic component but it was early, too this would have meaning because med component is more extenden than SW and W asian component but somehing i haven't read it is about paleolithic waves, i rfeer different paleolithic origin this too should be correct , at least i think this and i don't see this spoke in other places and it is a scenario we should to discuss

[Übermensch]

Interesting.

[Black Wolf]

I have basically been thinking the same thing. Davidski from Eurogenes has said that most Europeans are around 50% hunter gatherer in ancestry and 50% farmer. The only that are mainly hunter gatherer are Scandinavians and Baltic's.

I doubt that the hunter gatherer ancestry in most areas of Europe today comes mainly from hunter gatherers that lived there in the Mesolithic age. You have a good argument that this is the case at least in some areas of Europe. Since Finland and northeast Baltic began to farm much later than the rest of Europe and they have the highest amount of Mesolithic ancestry.

But how do you explain such farmer like mtDNA in those areas. I think Finnish, Sami, and Baltic's probably mainly descend from people who came in the copper and bronze age. Even though they are the closest to hunter gatherers in autosomal DNA they are not exactly the same. Their mtDNA is just like the rest of Europe vast majority probably farmer lineages except Sami who have 48% U5 out of 499 samples. Sami also have under 1% U2e and U4 and the vast majority of their U5 is under U5b1b1a and 41.6% V which has never been found in European hunter gatherers(except Pitted ware) and when looking at ancient DNA is probably a farmer lineage. U5b1b1a and V could have become the haplogroups of Sami through founder effects. The 7,500 and 3,500 year old mtDNA from Karlie is like other European hunter gatherer samples and unlike modern Sami. Same with mtDNA from suspected Finno-Ugric cultures Kunda and Narva. Their most popular Y DNA haplogroups I1a2 L22 and N1c1 though seem to probably descend from those hunter gatherers in north and northeast Europe. Even though N1c1 lineage originally came from eastern Asia.

Yes I know what you mean about this that the mtDNA of Northeast Europeans such as Balts and Finns shows a lot of haplogroup H which probably spread mostly with Neolithic farmers though Europe. I have a feeling though that some H was present among the Mesolithic hunter-gatherers as well though. Finns still do have a pretty high amount of U5 compared to other Europeans but H is still bigger among them on the whole. Maybe they do get more of their Mesolithic hunter-gatherer lineages from their paternal side? I do not know at this point really. Anyways autosomal DNA as we know shows them to be mostly Mesolithic hunter-gatherer in origin along with Balts.

[Black Wolf]

i have undertood that West asian and SW asian are the the neolithic component by excellence and mediterranean too is a neolitithic component but it was early, too this would have meaning because med component is more extenden than SW and W asian component but somehing i haven't read it is about paleolithic waves, i rfeer different paleolithic origin this too should be correct , at least i think this and i don't see this spoke in other places and it is a scenario we should to discuss

I think the Mediterranean component is probably a purely Neolithic component and came with the very first farmers to Europe. Later it was joined by West Asian possibly as late as the Bronze Age.

[Fire Haired]

Yes I know what you mean about this that the mtDNA of Northeast Europeans such as Balts and Finns shows a lot of haplogroup H which probably spread mostly with Neolithic farmers though Europe. I have a feeling though that some H was present among the Mesolithic hunter-gatherers as well though. Finns still do have a pretty high amount of U5 compared to other Europeans but H is still bigger among them on the whole. Maybe they do get more of their Mesolithic hunter-gatherer lineages from their paternal side? I do not know at this point really. Anyways autosomal DNA as we know shows them to be mostly Mesolithic hunter-gatherer in origin along with Balts.

I know I have repeated this many times about Finnish and Balts having mainly farmer mtDNA and it is not just H. Eupedia mtDNA by country (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_mtdna_haplogroups_frequency.shtml).

Also I have organized mtDNA for Finland from FTDNA. This time I made sure it was perfectly accurate. I have four sections one for samples that have proof their oldest known maternal ancestor is from Finland, ones with just their name or year not country, ones who's oldest known maternal ancestor is not from Finland and a list of where they came from, and ones with no information just a blank box.

When combining all expect those who's direct maternal ancestor is not from Finland. There are 1788 samples and the percentages were basically exactly the same as Eupedia has them but H was higher at 42% and at least 40% for each section and a little higher U at 24%.The subclades so far also seem very similar to the rest of Europe. For now on I am only going to organize the subclades because the basic haplogroup percentages are already showed pretty accurately at places like Eupedia.

[Black Wolf]

I know I have repeated this many times about Finnish and Balts having mainly farmer mtDNA and it is not just H. Eupedia mtDNA by country (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_mtdna_haplogroups_frequency.shtml).

Also I have organized mtDNA for Finland from FTDNA. This time I made sure it was perfectly accurate. I have four sections one for samples that have proof their oldest known maternal ancestor is from Finland, ones with just their name or year not country, ones who's oldest known maternal ancestor is not from Finland and a list of where they came from, and ones with no information just a blank box.

When combining all expect those who's direct maternal ancestor is not from Finland. There are 1788 samples and the percentages were basically exactly the same as Eupedia has them but H was higher at 42% and at least 40% for each section and a little higher U at 24%.The subclades so far also seem very similar to the rest of Europe. For now on I am only going to organize the subclades because the basic haplogroup percentages are already showed pretty accurately at places like Eupedia.

Right yes other haplogroups such as J, K and T are found there plus others. Usually these are thought of as being Neolithic origin haplogroups but I think it may end up being more complicated than that.

[Fire Haired]

Right yes other haplogroups such as J, K and T are found there plus others. Usually these are thought of as being Neolithic origin haplogroups but I think it may end up being more complicated than that.
There is no strong evidence In ancient DNA that they are pre Neolithic. Even if they did exist in Europe before the Neolithic age it seems pretty obvious the vast majority of modern European non U5, U2e, and U4 descends from farmers.

[Black Wolf]

There is no strong evidence In ancient DNA that they are pre Neolithic. Even if they did exist in Europe before the Neolithic age it seems pretty obvious the vast majority of modern European non U5, U2e, and U4 descends from farmers.

Very true. Did you recently change your mind about this or something? Last month weren't you saying that there is no way that all the H, J, K and T among modern Europeans descend from incoming Neolithic farmers?

[Fire Haired]

Very true. Did you recently change your mind about this or something? Last month weren't you saying that there is no way that all the H, J, K and T among modern Europeans descend from incoming Neolithic farmers?

I am still very confused that the vast majority of European mtDNA is not from hunter gatherers but many have mainly hunter gatherer ancestry. I guess I did kind of change my mind on this but I still think it is definitely possibly not all non U5, U4, and U2e is from farmers. I think it is possible that the main reason Baltic's and Scandinavians have the most hunter gatherer ancestry is not because those areas received farming last. There is evidence all Baltic's and Scandinavians(including Sami) are descended from farmers who came in anywhere from the Neolithic-bronze age. There is little continuity with modern Scandinavians and Baltic's and mtDNA hunter gatherers in Gotland, Karlie, Poland, Lithuania, and Russia. How could those hunter gatherers be their main ancestors at least on the maternal side they were mainly replaced.

We know pretty much as a fact that Y DNA R1a1a1b1a1 Z284(and all other R1a) in Scandinavia came from copper age Corded ware culture. R1a is about 20-30% in Norway and Sweden and about 5% in Finland so they made a decent effect. We also know that Y DNA R1b1a2a1a1 U106(and all other R1b) in Scandinavia probably came with Germanic languages or by some other people during the bronze age 3,000-4,000ybp same with all I2a2 P214. R1b is around 20-30% in Sweden and Norway and I2a2 P214 is about 3-5% so that migration also made a decent effect. The only R1b and I2a2 in Finland and Sami is without a doubt from Swedish-Norwegian inter marriage.

The two y DNA haplogroups I cant think of a way to explain are the main ones I1 and N1c1. The vast majority of Finnish and Sami Y DNA is under N1c1 and I1a2 L22. According to Eupedia 80% of Finnish I1 is under distinct Finnish subclades of I1a2 L22 and N1c1 is obviously distinct for Finnish-Sami not Swedish-Norwegian. I1a2 L22 is the main subclade of I1 in Norway-Sweden but by barely maybe 60%. Then who knows what the origin of I1 in the rest of Europe is. There are no obvious bronze, copper, or Neolithic origins for the two haplogroups. I will need to study this but I think N1c1 is very popular in Uralic's of Europe right? It's distribution is very close to Mesolithic hunter gatherer Kunda and Comb Ceramic cultures. It is even popular in modern Balts it source is obviously not Corded ware culture so where else could it come from but the hunter gatherers.

I have heard so many times Y DNA I1 is Germanic and it gets annoying. The fact it is so popular in Finland and they have their own subclades shows it's origin is much more complicated and older. It is at least probably pre bronze age in Scandinavia. It could be really connected with Germanic people in mainland Europe and Scandinavia or is it possible it just happened to be popular were Germanic people later settled. There are many possibilities for what the history and origin of I1 is.

Here is a really good article by Davidski The East Baltic as a refuge for Mesolithic Europeans (http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/more-on-east-baltic-as-refuge-for.html) . Its about Mesolithic ancestry in Europe today in autosomal DNA. So who's the most European of us all? (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/04/so-whos-most-european-of-us-all.html) in that Article it is pretty amazing that without any ancient autosomal DNA. Davidski was able to predicte with his own work on modern autosomal DNA what came from the Mesolithic hunter gatherers. Lately it has been hard to believe based on mtDNA that some Euro's have mainly hunter gatherer ancestry. I just realized that must be true.

Because the hunter gatherers are much closer to Lithuanians than the farmer samples so they are more related. How do you explain specifically European clusters in so many different autosomal DNA tests constantly being distributed the same way even in Geno 2.0. And these clusters are dominate in hunter gatherer samples. I wish I could understand the science my self and make my own conclusions.

[Black Wolf]

It is still confusing and more work needs to be done. Maybe once we finally get some Y-DNA samples from the Mesolithic groups in Europe things will become clearer.

[Fire Haired]

I really wish there still European hunter gatherers hopefully there are some living in Siberia or in a remote island. Their maternal linages have been cut off pretty badly. I guess there needs to be more ancient samples. Possibly like the bronze age R1a1a1b2 Z93 Indo Iranians there are people today who have a large amount of hunter gatherer descended U5, U4, and U2e. I think the best candidates are Sami and remote ethnic groups in Russia like Udmurts and Bashkir's. I just looked at Eupedia mtDNA by country and it is obvious they have very different mtDNA gene pool than the rest of Europe. There is pretty high combined U5, U4, and U2 in the small non Slavic ethnic groups in Russia. There is also much lower (probably)farmer lineages than in the rest of Europe. Northeast Baltic's also have a good amount of U5, U4, and U2. I am sure they have some of the same lineages as the bronze and iron age Indo Iranians in central Asia since they originally came from Russia.

It is not for sure there was U4 and U2e in any Mesolithic Iberians. U5, U4, and U2e has been found in Karlie hunter gatherers, Ust Tartus(mixed Euro and east Asian hunter gatherers from copper age), and German Mesolithic hunter gatherers. U5 has been found in all regions and U4 has been found in all but Iberia and I guess also Italy which has very few samples. There is one U2'3'4'7'8'9 from Palaleoithic southern Italy dating 11,000-15,000 years old. I am not sure if it was negative for all U2'3'4'7'8'9 subclades or if it is possibly had U2 or U4. I am sure U4 and U2e were distributed in all or most of Europe's hunter gatherers. I know not all the hunter gatheres were the same. They all it seems had 100% ancestry in Europe going back maybe 30,000 years. They did though have different U5, U4, and U2e lineages for different regions. I have noticed that the vast majority of their U5 is under U5b and under that U5b2 except for the Russian and Gotlander's who have all U5a. The Russians also have much higher U2e you can see the same mtDNA gene pool expressed in the bronze and iron age Indo Iranians, in Ust Tartus culture, and possibly modern non Slavic Russians. There are two about 10,000 year old U5a's in far eastern European Russia. There could have been a big family of Russian or eastern European hunter gatherers that had been there for who knows how long possibly for over 15,000 years.

There is a lot to learn about the European hunter gatherers. We know that U5 probably originated in Europe 30,000 years ago or more because of two 31,155 year old pre U5 samples. U4 and U2e I am sure have very ancient age to. They possibly came around the same time. The over 30,000 year old U2 in Russia may be some how connected with later U2e. I bet if there is autosomal DNA taken from hunter gatherers across Europe that are over 10,000 years old they will have 100% the distinct European clusters. It is pretty obvious there was a genetic family that had formed in Europe over 30,000 years ago and it seems stayed extremely unmixed and took up all of what we call Europe today. That sounds to simple to me but it may be mainly true. I have the same problem with Native Americans but because there are so many modern samples we know it is true.