Fire Haired
10-06-2013, 09:48 AM
Gough's Cave, Cheddar (Not Cheddar Man), England UK 10,500bc mtDNA= H or HV or U<wbr>central Potrugal no date given 9,500-7,500ybp mtDNA=8: H=4(H1b=1, H7?=1), U=2(U4=1, U5b1c2), N=2(N1b?=1, N5?=1). Jean Macno creator of ancient Eurasian DNA thinks non had H that the H's were U5b1c1?=1, V10a?=1, U4/H1b?=2. But she obviously has a biased against pre Neolithic European H for post Mesolithic mtDNA if it has CRS she says H? but for pre Neolithic she says HV or U? and I have seen argues against any reported pre Neolithic European H but not another haplogroup. <wbr><wbr>
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Chekalino Russia 7,800bc mtDNA=U5a
Lebyazhinka Russia 8,000-7,000bc mtDNA=U5a1
Falkensteiner Höhle (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkensteiner_H%C3%B6hle), Germany 7,200bc mtDNA=U5b2
Toledo, Lourinha Portugal 7,200-6,800bc mtDNA=R?
Gough's Cave, Cheddar (Not Cheddar Man), England UK 7000bc mtDNA=U5
St Forvar cave, St. Forvar island, Sweden 6,873BC mtDNA=U4b1
Germany
Bad Durrentberg 6,859bc mtDNA=U4
Hohlenstein-Stadel 6,700bc mtDNA=U5=2(U5a2a?=1, U5b2=1)
Kunda culture Lithnania
Spiginas 6,350bc mtDNA=u4Kunda culture? Donkalnis mtDNA=U5b2?
Luschbour, Luxembourg 6,000bc mtDNA=U5b1a reported by Delsate as U5a
Uznyi Oleni Ostrov Russia 7,500ybp mtDNA=11: U=7(U4=5, U2e=2, U5a=1), C1=3, H=1
Spain
Cingle del mas Nou, Castellon 5,000bc mtDNA=2: U5=2
La Brana-Arintero, Leon 5,000bc mtDNA=2: U5b2a1=2
Aizpea, Navarre 4,600bc mtDNA=U5b1
Narva culture Kretuonas Lithunania 4,450bc mtDNA=2: U5b=2(U5b1=1, U5b2=1?)
Zedmar culture? Dudka Poland mtDNA=2 U5b1=2 one from 3,650bc and one from 4,000-3,000bc
Pitted ware culure Gotland, Sweden 2,800-2,000bc
Ajvide, Eksta mtDNA=9: U=8(U54(U5a=2), U4=4), V=1
Fridtorp, Vasterhejde mtDNA=4: U=3(U4=2, U5=2(U5a=1)
Ire, Hangvar mtDNA=4: U4=3(U4d=1), T2b reported as T=1
DRestwo Poland 2,250bc mtDNA=U5a
Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov, Russia 3,500ybp mtDNA=23: U=8(U5a=6(U5a1=4), U4a1=2, C=8(C*=6, C5=2), D*=3, Z1a=3, T*=1
Mesolithic European mtDNA(includes hunter gathers from Neolithic period) shows total continuity with Palaeolithic European mtDNA. If you take out the Mongliod haplogroups C, Z, and D which were found in a spot in Russia right next to their border with Finland and probably are connected with the spread of Kunda culture and Mongliod Y DNA N1c1 about 7,000-8,000ybp in northeastern Europe. U5, U2, and U4 take up nearly 100% of the mtDNA out of 47 samples there was only one H and two T's(one possibly T2b). The T in Pitted ware 2,800-2,000bc in Gotland, Sweden most likely was inter marriage with farmers who's samples have around 5-15% mtDNA T. U5 you can see in Palaeolithic DNA is in two 31,155 year old mtDNA samples in Czech republic and U2 is in 37,985 year old mtDNA sample in Russia. Also you can see in Chronology of European (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?95836-Chronology-of-European-mtDNA) mtDNA U most likely migrated to Europe from the Near east about 50,000-60,000ybp developing into U5 while in Europe about 50,000ybp. U8(also in 31,155ybp Czech republic) and U2 probably also migrated to Europe from the Near east over 40,000ybp. U4 though is estimated to only be about 25,000 years old it may have originated in Europe maybe with mtDNA U that arrived over 30,000ybp or a new arrival from Near east or central Asia around 15,000-25,000ybp.
What doesn't make sense is that All European hunter gather mtDNA either Palaeolithic, Mesolithic, Neolithic, and even in the late bronze age 3,500ybp show continuity between each other but not Modern Europeans. Their haplogroups like U5 and U2e obviously are of European origin and exist in almost only modern ones and modern European U4 also descends from them. Then the first farmers in Europe in the Neloithic age their mtDNA shows total continuity with modern Europeans H 35%+, T,J,K, U about 5-15% each, W,I, and X(almost all X2) about 1-5% each. Even their deep subclades percentages fit modern Europeans so just looking at that it would make sense to say modern Europeans maternal lineages mainly are Neolithic. But Y DNA so paternal lineages spread to Europe from the Near east in the Neolithic mainly 9,000-6,000ybp G2a, E1b1b(mainly V13), Most J1, J2, and T in Europe are almost non existing in northeast Europe and Scandinavia where their mtDNA matches more with the Neolithic samples. Farming never really spread to central and northern Scandinavia till the bronze age it is kind of crazy to say their women were some how killed off which would be the only explanation for a huge mtDNA change. It seems mtDNA T, J, and X most likely arrived in Europe around 15,000-25,000ybp click on link above Chronology of European mtDNA. Which makes sense since they are distributed so far in Europe even in Finland the area were farming spread last and were people austomally are most similar to Mesolithic and Neolithic European hunter gathers.
There is Austomal DNA from Mesolithic and Neolithic European hunter gathers it basically tells your full ancestry not just direct maternal or paternal lines. Their results show they are obviously European most related to modern northern Europeans click here (http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013_09_01_archive.html) no matter if they are from Spain(La Brana) or Sweden(St. Forvar, Gok's and Ire) they have extremely similar same results like in mtDNA. In globe13 the Caucasin family is made up of North Euro-west Asia, Southwest Asian, and Meditreaen. North Euro is the only to originate in Europe and is a very close brother to west Asian. North Euro is over 70% in all the Neloithic and Mesloithic European hunter gather samples which there are only 12 and coming from only three different sites. They also had significant amount of meditreaen La Brana(7,000ybp Mesolithic Spain) had 24.8%, Ajv52 10.3 and Ajv70 5.8%(4,000-4,800ybp Pitted ware culture Sweden) which most likely was from farmer inter marriage since Med was over 58% in all farmer samples so far. Another thing is suprsing besides North Euro and Med Ajb70, La Brana, and Ajv52 had Australasian, west African, Paleo African, and Amerdinans . Which I really doubt are real since Europeans at that time had absolutely no contact with the America's and Australia or just southeast asia area and I guess there was some north Africa admixture in Spain which had some west African but definitely not Paleo African which is isolated in few ethnic groups in Sub Shara Africa. So if you take the Med which probably came from farmers they would be 100% North Euro which is excepted since it is the only group that would have been in pre farming Europeans.
Today North Euro averages about 50% in modern Europeans. Around the Baltic sea, Finland, and ethnic Russians it is over 70% and in Germanic Norwegian and Swedish over 65%. East of Germany and north of Romania it is over 60% usually over 65%. central Europe and British isles about 59% and in France just under 50%. Iberia about 36-38%, Italy(north 30-34%, central and south 20-30%), At its lowest Sicily Sardine about 16%. Sardine show almost identical results to European farmers (Sardine last of the European farmer race (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?96087-Sardine-the-last-of-the-European-farmer-race)), East of Germany south of Ukraine 40-50%, Greece about 24%.
I think since unlike all other Caucasians Europeans are dominated by pale pigmentation pale skin, high amount of fair hair and eyes, red hair over 1% in western Europe and Volga Russia(Origin of Euro palness (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?92883-Origin-of-European-Paleness(skin-hair-and-eye-color))). They get it from pre Neolithic Europeans who trace back to the earliest settlers of Europe we know of. The genes for all types of European palness most likely did not originate in Europe but just became much more popular in Europeans ancestors than other Caucasians maybe because of climate.
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Chekalino Russia 7,800bc mtDNA=U5a
Lebyazhinka Russia 8,000-7,000bc mtDNA=U5a1
Falkensteiner Höhle (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkensteiner_H%C3%B6hle), Germany 7,200bc mtDNA=U5b2
Toledo, Lourinha Portugal 7,200-6,800bc mtDNA=R?
Gough's Cave, Cheddar (Not Cheddar Man), England UK 7000bc mtDNA=U5
St Forvar cave, St. Forvar island, Sweden 6,873BC mtDNA=U4b1
Germany
Bad Durrentberg 6,859bc mtDNA=U4
Hohlenstein-Stadel 6,700bc mtDNA=U5=2(U5a2a?=1, U5b2=1)
Kunda culture Lithnania
Spiginas 6,350bc mtDNA=u4Kunda culture? Donkalnis mtDNA=U5b2?
Luschbour, Luxembourg 6,000bc mtDNA=U5b1a reported by Delsate as U5a
Uznyi Oleni Ostrov Russia 7,500ybp mtDNA=11: U=7(U4=5, U2e=2, U5a=1), C1=3, H=1
Spain
Cingle del mas Nou, Castellon 5,000bc mtDNA=2: U5=2
La Brana-Arintero, Leon 5,000bc mtDNA=2: U5b2a1=2
Aizpea, Navarre 4,600bc mtDNA=U5b1
Narva culture Kretuonas Lithunania 4,450bc mtDNA=2: U5b=2(U5b1=1, U5b2=1?)
Zedmar culture? Dudka Poland mtDNA=2 U5b1=2 one from 3,650bc and one from 4,000-3,000bc
Pitted ware culure Gotland, Sweden 2,800-2,000bc
Ajvide, Eksta mtDNA=9: U=8(U54(U5a=2), U4=4), V=1
Fridtorp, Vasterhejde mtDNA=4: U=3(U4=2, U5=2(U5a=1)
Ire, Hangvar mtDNA=4: U4=3(U4d=1), T2b reported as T=1
DRestwo Poland 2,250bc mtDNA=U5a
Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov, Russia 3,500ybp mtDNA=23: U=8(U5a=6(U5a1=4), U4a1=2, C=8(C*=6, C5=2), D*=3, Z1a=3, T*=1
Mesolithic European mtDNA(includes hunter gathers from Neolithic period) shows total continuity with Palaeolithic European mtDNA. If you take out the Mongliod haplogroups C, Z, and D which were found in a spot in Russia right next to their border with Finland and probably are connected with the spread of Kunda culture and Mongliod Y DNA N1c1 about 7,000-8,000ybp in northeastern Europe. U5, U2, and U4 take up nearly 100% of the mtDNA out of 47 samples there was only one H and two T's(one possibly T2b). The T in Pitted ware 2,800-2,000bc in Gotland, Sweden most likely was inter marriage with farmers who's samples have around 5-15% mtDNA T. U5 you can see in Palaeolithic DNA is in two 31,155 year old mtDNA samples in Czech republic and U2 is in 37,985 year old mtDNA sample in Russia. Also you can see in Chronology of European (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?95836-Chronology-of-European-mtDNA) mtDNA U most likely migrated to Europe from the Near east about 50,000-60,000ybp developing into U5 while in Europe about 50,000ybp. U8(also in 31,155ybp Czech republic) and U2 probably also migrated to Europe from the Near east over 40,000ybp. U4 though is estimated to only be about 25,000 years old it may have originated in Europe maybe with mtDNA U that arrived over 30,000ybp or a new arrival from Near east or central Asia around 15,000-25,000ybp.
What doesn't make sense is that All European hunter gather mtDNA either Palaeolithic, Mesolithic, Neolithic, and even in the late bronze age 3,500ybp show continuity between each other but not Modern Europeans. Their haplogroups like U5 and U2e obviously are of European origin and exist in almost only modern ones and modern European U4 also descends from them. Then the first farmers in Europe in the Neloithic age their mtDNA shows total continuity with modern Europeans H 35%+, T,J,K, U about 5-15% each, W,I, and X(almost all X2) about 1-5% each. Even their deep subclades percentages fit modern Europeans so just looking at that it would make sense to say modern Europeans maternal lineages mainly are Neolithic. But Y DNA so paternal lineages spread to Europe from the Near east in the Neolithic mainly 9,000-6,000ybp G2a, E1b1b(mainly V13), Most J1, J2, and T in Europe are almost non existing in northeast Europe and Scandinavia where their mtDNA matches more with the Neolithic samples. Farming never really spread to central and northern Scandinavia till the bronze age it is kind of crazy to say their women were some how killed off which would be the only explanation for a huge mtDNA change. It seems mtDNA T, J, and X most likely arrived in Europe around 15,000-25,000ybp click on link above Chronology of European mtDNA. Which makes sense since they are distributed so far in Europe even in Finland the area were farming spread last and were people austomally are most similar to Mesolithic and Neolithic European hunter gathers.
There is Austomal DNA from Mesolithic and Neolithic European hunter gathers it basically tells your full ancestry not just direct maternal or paternal lines. Their results show they are obviously European most related to modern northern Europeans click here (http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013_09_01_archive.html) no matter if they are from Spain(La Brana) or Sweden(St. Forvar, Gok's and Ire) they have extremely similar same results like in mtDNA. In globe13 the Caucasin family is made up of North Euro-west Asia, Southwest Asian, and Meditreaen. North Euro is the only to originate in Europe and is a very close brother to west Asian. North Euro is over 70% in all the Neloithic and Mesloithic European hunter gather samples which there are only 12 and coming from only three different sites. They also had significant amount of meditreaen La Brana(7,000ybp Mesolithic Spain) had 24.8%, Ajv52 10.3 and Ajv70 5.8%(4,000-4,800ybp Pitted ware culture Sweden) which most likely was from farmer inter marriage since Med was over 58% in all farmer samples so far. Another thing is suprsing besides North Euro and Med Ajb70, La Brana, and Ajv52 had Australasian, west African, Paleo African, and Amerdinans . Which I really doubt are real since Europeans at that time had absolutely no contact with the America's and Australia or just southeast asia area and I guess there was some north Africa admixture in Spain which had some west African but definitely not Paleo African which is isolated in few ethnic groups in Sub Shara Africa. So if you take the Med which probably came from farmers they would be 100% North Euro which is excepted since it is the only group that would have been in pre farming Europeans.
Today North Euro averages about 50% in modern Europeans. Around the Baltic sea, Finland, and ethnic Russians it is over 70% and in Germanic Norwegian and Swedish over 65%. East of Germany and north of Romania it is over 60% usually over 65%. central Europe and British isles about 59% and in France just under 50%. Iberia about 36-38%, Italy(north 30-34%, central and south 20-30%), At its lowest Sicily Sardine about 16%. Sardine show almost identical results to European farmers (Sardine last of the European farmer race (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?96087-Sardine-the-last-of-the-European-farmer-race)), East of Germany south of Ukraine 40-50%, Greece about 24%.
I think since unlike all other Caucasians Europeans are dominated by pale pigmentation pale skin, high amount of fair hair and eyes, red hair over 1% in western Europe and Volga Russia(Origin of Euro palness (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?92883-Origin-of-European-Paleness(skin-hair-and-eye-color))). They get it from pre Neolithic Europeans who trace back to the earliest settlers of Europe we know of. The genes for all types of European palness most likely did not originate in Europe but just became much more popular in Europeans ancestors than other Caucasians maybe because of climate.
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