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Fire Haired
10-08-2013, 02:38 AM
Bronze age German DNA total
mtDNA=56: H=22 39.3%(H3=1, H11a-1, H2a3a1=1, H82a=1, H4a1a1a5=1, H7h=1), U=15 26.8%(U5=9(U5a1=3(U5a1a=1), U5b=6), U(2?)=1), T=9 16.1%(T2=8(T2b=1, T2?=1), T1=1), J=5 9%(J*=4, J1b1=1), I=3 5.3%, X=1 1.8%

Y DNA=14: I2a2b=11(I2a2b?=1), R1a1?=2, R1b=1

Unetice culture Germany
Total mtDNA=21: U=6
28.6%(U5=4(U5a1=3(U5a1a=1), U5b=1), U2=1) H=6 28.6%(H11a=1,
H2a1a3=1, H82a=1, H4a1a1a5=1, H3=1, H7h=1), T=4
19%(T2=3(T2b=1), T1=1), I=3 14.3%(I1=1) X=1 4.7%,
W=1 4.7%

Benzingerode-Heimburg, 2,200-1,575bc mtDNA=3: H=3(H11a=1,
H2a1a3=1, H82a=1)
Eulau, 2,200-1,575bc mtDNA=2: H=2(H4a1a1a5=1,
H3=1)
Quedlinburg, 2,050-1,800bc mtDNA=7: U=4(U5a1a=2, U2=1), T=2(T1=1,
T2=1), H7h=1
Esperstedt, 2,050-1,800bc mtDNA=9: I=3(I1=1), T2=2(T2b=1),
U5=2(U5a1=1, U5b=1), W=1, X=1

Urnfield culture Lichtenstein cave near Dorste Lower Saxony,,
Germany 1,000bc
mtDNA=35: H=16 45.7%, U=9 25.7%(U5b=5, U(2?)=1),
T2=5 14.3%(T2?=1), J=5 14.3%(J*=4, J1b1=1)
Y DNA=14:
I2a2b=11(I2a2b?=1), R1a1?=2, R1b=1

SobieskisavedEurope
10-08-2013, 02:41 AM
So the Y DNA was about 1/2 R1a haplogroup!?

Interesting!

Maybe this supports that East Germany was Proto - Slavic during the Bronze age!?

Fire Haired
10-08-2013, 02:54 AM
So the Y DNA was about 1/2 R1a haplogroup!?

Interesting!

Maybe this supports that East Germany was Proto - Slavic during the Bronze age!?

It is not nearly enough samples to say anything. Obviously the high amount of I2a2b shows probably a common father or grandfather or great grandfather or whatever it doesn't represent all people in central Europe 3,000 years ago. I put the STR's of the R1a1's and they were R1a1a1+ and they were R1a1a1b1a2 M458- and R1a1a1b1a3 Z280- those are the two Balto Slavic subclades. I think it is R1a1a1a L664 which is pretty much only in western Europe but is very rare probably came with R1b1a2a1a L11 and Germanic Italo Celtic languages which arrived about 5,000ybp. Probably not the Scandinavian subclade of R1a1a1b1a which is R1a1a1b1a1 Z280. Since Corded ware culture which spoke the ancestral language to Balto Slavic also existed in Scandinavia about 4,000-5,000ybp(500-1,000 years before proto Germanic speakers arrived) arrived Scandinavia has its own branch and it is pretty popular today.

I put the STR's of the R1b in a predictor and I was shocked it said it was most likely Germanic R1b1a2a1a1 S21. But Urnfield culture was Italo Celtic Germanic tribes did not migrate that far south till hundreds of years later. This could mean that a lot of R1b1a2a1a1 S21 stayed in central Europe.