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Eldritch
10-20-2009, 08:54 AM
Since there's been a lot of religious discussion on the Apricity as of late, this ought to be of interest to a few people (however I'm posting it in the "society" section as that seems more appropiate, mods, go ahead and move it if necessary):



Biblical sex row over explicit illustrated Book of Genesis

A sexually explicit illustrated Book of Genesis by controversial artist Robert Crumb, which features Bible characters having intercourse, has been condemned by religious groups.



http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01504/genesis_1504170c.jpg

The book, which is released this month, carries the warning "adult supervision recommended for minors", and is described as "scandalous satire" by its publishers.

It includes graphic illustrations of Bible characters having sexual intercourse, and other scenes depicting naked men and women as well as "gratuitous" depictions of violence.

Crumb, the book's author, is most famous for his creation Fritz the Cat, a sexually graphic "underground" comic strip. It was turned into a film that became the first animation to receive an X rating.

He has said he does not believe that the Bible is the word of God. "I take it all for myth from start to finish, with probably some faint relation to historical reality." he said.

"They're great stories. But for people to take texts as something sacred, handed down from God... that's pretty backward, I think."

The Book of Genesis illustrated by R. Crumb has been criticised by leading religious groups such as the Christian Institute.

"It is turning the Bible into titillation," said Mike Judge, of the Christian Institute, a religious think-tank. "It seems wholly inappropriate for what is essentially God's rescue plan for mankind.

"If you are going to publish your own version of the Bible it must be done with a great deal of sensitivity. The Bible is a very important text to many many people and should be treated with the respect it deserves.

"Representing it in your own way is all very well and good but it must be remembered that it is a matter of people's faith, their religion.

"Faith is such an important part of people's lives that one must remember to tread very carefully."

Other leading religious figures have been more supportive of the work. "I didn't think it was satire," said the Bishop of Croydon, the Rt Rev Nick Baines.

"He set out to say; 'this is important, fundamental myth' and it seems to me he's done a good job."

A spokeswoman for the Bible Society said she hadn't seen the book but that reviews had suggested that Crumb had "really engaged" with the Book of Genesis.

"It may surprise people but the bible does contain nudity, sex and violence. That's because it contains real stories about real people.

"If by reading the book people are encouraged to re-engage with the Bible then that can only be a good thing."

A spokesman for the Church of England said: "I haven't seen the book but I think trying to sell something by emphasising the sexual nature of some of the scenes doesn't seem to be a good way to pass on the message of the bible."

Link. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/6358134/Biblical-sex-row-over-explicit-illustrated-Book-of-Genesis.html)

Crumb may be a leftie and a creep, but I like his work (or at least his later, more realist material -- don't really care for the early psychedelia stuff), and I'll certainly look forward to this.

However what escapes me is why he'd take on a project like this in the first place. Crumb is too smart to go for simple blasphemy.

Murphy
10-20-2009, 10:17 AM
It is highly distasteful and although there is sex in the bible I do not believe such images are at all appropriate to convey the Biblical message.

Regards,
Eóin.

Lysander
10-20-2009, 10:36 AM
Time to burn flags and assault embassies?
I think not.

Psychonaut
10-20-2009, 12:49 PM
Maaaaaan, why did it have to be Crumb? His artwork is godawful.

Loki
10-20-2009, 01:00 PM
Sex (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/sex/long.htm) is a common theme in the Bible. In fact, the Biblical god seems obsessed with intercourse.



Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! (Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins.)


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers%2031&version=NIV

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Eldritch
10-20-2009, 03:43 PM
It is highly distasteful and although there is sex in the bible I do not believe such images are at all appropriate to convey the Biblical message.

Regards,
Eóin.

I certainly understand why you would feel this way.

However, it is an undeniable fact that Christianity and the Bible have made an extremely profound impact on the lives of even those Europeans/diaspora Europeans who do not identify as Christians.

Deliberately trying to cause offense is tasteless, but I think it is perfectly reasonable for non-Christians to make their own interpretations of the Bible.

Anthropos
10-20-2009, 06:34 PM
I certainly understand why you would feel this way.

However, it is an undeniable fact that Christianity and the Bible have made an extremely profound impact on the lives of even those Europeans/diaspora Europeans who do not identify as Christians.

Deliberately trying to cause offense is tasteless, but I think it is perfectly reasonable for non-Christians to make their own interpretations of the Bible.

In a society that has abandoned its Christian tradition it is "perfectly reasonable", yes. In a traditional civilisation it is not acceptable. In a traditional civilisation, those who rejected tradition should mind their own business, and if they won't they will be treated as revolutionaries. Christianity is not just an interpretation of a book (or collection of stories). It is just what I have already hinted, namely a tradition, and a powerful body that can give support to a whole civilisation, by virtue of its being a manifestation in this world of the transcendent Truth that is God.

I should add that as a Christian I am not interested in Crumble's interpretation of the Bible. I would assume that it could do harm to atheists and agnostics. To convinced Christians however, it could do no harm.