Classify Japanese Samurai, Oda Nobunaga

[Smeagol]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Oda_Nobunaga-Portrait_by_Giovanni_NIcolao.jpg

[Vesuvian Sky]

with the mustache and all plus the way the photo looks it kinda gives him a turkish vibe.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Jomon. Looks kind of or armenoid.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Jomon. Looks kind of or armenoid.

Indeed.

[daniboy]

agree
he looks mostly armenoid

[curupira]

A smart man.

Oda Nobunaga according to the Portuguese Jesuit missionary Luís Fróis, who met him:


Nobunaga does not believe in an after-life or in anything he cannot see.


He (Nobunaga) would be about thirty-seven years old, a tall man, lean, scantly bearded, with a clear voice, greatly addicted to military exercises, hardy, disposed to temper justice with mercy, proud, a great stickler for honor, very secretive in his plans, most expert in the wiles of warfare, little or nothing disposed to accept reproof or advice from his subordinates, but greatly feared and respected by everyone. He does not drink wine, he is rough mannered, contemptuous of all the other kings and nobles of Japan whom he addresses brusquely over his shoulder as if they were inferiors, while he is punctiliously obeyed by all as their complete master. He is of good understanding and clear judgement, despising both Shinto and Buddhist deities and all other forms of idolatry and superstition. He is a nominal adherent of the Hokke (Lotus) sect but he openly proclaims that there are no such things as a Creator of the Universe nor immortality of the soul, nor any life after death. Extremely refined and clean in his dress and in the nobility of his actions.

His death, according to Luís Fróis:


"We at once began to hear musket shots and see flames. After this another report came, and we learned that it had not been a brawl but that Akechi had turned traitor and enemy of Nobunaga and had him surrounded. When Akechi's men reached the palace gates, they once entered as nobody was there to resist them because there had been no suspicion of their treachery. Nobunaga had just washed his hands and face and was drying himself with a towel when they found him and forthwith shot him in the side with an arrow. Pulling the arrow out, he came out carrying a naginata, a weapon with a long balde made after the fashion of a scythe. He fought for some time, but after receiving a shot in the arm he retreated into his chamber and shut the doors.

Some say he cut his belly, while others believe that he set fire to the palace and perished in the flames. What we do know, however is that of this man, who made everyone tremble not only at the sound of his voice but even at the mention of his name, there did not remaine even a small hair which was not reduced to dust and ashes".

Just out of curiosity, here is a direct descendant of Oda Nobunaga, Nobunari Oda:

http://web.icenetwork.com/images/2009/05/06/wwsUm8w6.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Nobunari_Oda_at_2009_Trophee_Eric_Bompard.jpg


Nobunari Oda (織田 信成 Oda Nobunari?, born March 25, 1987 in Takatsuki, Osaka, Japan) is a Japanese figure skater. He is the 2006 Four Continents Champion, the 2009–2010 and 2010–2011 Grand Prix Final silver medalist, the 2005 World Junior Champion and the 2008 Japanese National Champion.

Oda is a direct descendant of Oda Nobunaga,[7] a daimyo during Japan's Sengoku period who conquered most of Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobunari_Oda


Japan’s Nobunari Oda is a direct descendant of Nobuanaga Oda, a famous Japanese warlord during the sixteenth century.
http://www.skatetoday.com/2005/03/20/oda-continues-ancestors-fighting-spirit/


Nobunari Oda, a competitive figure skater in Japan, is the 17th direct descendant of Nobunaga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_Nobunaga

[Vesuvian Sky]

http://web.icenetwork.com/images/2009/05/06/wwsUm8w6.jpg


Having actually been to Japan, I can honestly say facial features like this are far more typical then that of his ancestor. Interesting the differences in phenotypes from generation to generation here.

[Smeagol]

His descendent might be Sinid + Jomon.

[Vesuvian Sky]

His descendent might be Sinid + Jomon.

He definitely has a far more mongoloid look.

[Smeagol]

He definitely has a far more mongoloid look.

The average Japanese is around 90% Yayoi, from China, and Korea, and 10% Jomon, but I think it varies a lot. there's much more Jomon admixture in the north.

[Tatar]

Having actually been to Japan, I can honestly say facial features like this are far more typical then that of his ancestor. Interesting the differences in phenotypes from generation to generation here.

Some japanese, I think around 20-30%, have Jomon feature.

[Vesuvian Sky]

The average Japanese is around 90% Yayoi, from China, and Korea, and 10% Jomon, but I think it varies a lot. there's much more Jomon admixture in the north.

It seems based on what we can infer from Kenniwick man plus what we know of the Ainu there was indeed a significant population shift in the area. Yayoi according to the cultural historians is definitely considered the signal of the arrival of the people who would become the Japanese. The weaponry becomes flagrantly 'Japanese' at this time, such as the 'yumi' or Japanese bow:


The bow is short in one half and long in the other. Their arrows are of bamboo, and the heads are of iron or bone.' Over 370 bronze halberd blades from the Yayoi Period have been unearthed in Kyûshû, and only ten in Kinki. Nearly 100 iron arrowheads have been found in Kyûshû, and less than 25 in Kinki and the Kantô (Tôkyô plain). Almost 30 iron swords have been uncovered in Kyûshû, and only five in the Kansai and Kantô. It is fairly clear that the seat of Himiko's power was, in fact, in Kyûshû.

source: Men-At-Arms Early Samurai

But hardly anyone on the island looks like Oda.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Some japanese, I think around 20-30%, have Jomon feature.

Well I guess it depends on what you consider Jomon. I equate it with an almost cromagnon look especially when you look at the late 1800s pictures of Ainu:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/One_Ainu_man_and_bear.JPG

When I see this guy, I see Eurasia c. 10,000 BC. This is modern day Japan:

http://nanachan707.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/nakao_akiyoshi.jpg

[Tatar]

Well I guess it depends on what you consider Jomon.

For me they are Jomon
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2885/9836207313_1476d17c92_o.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3817/9836068324_a847937415_o.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2862/9836188443_4ca99f675b_o.jpg

[YeshAtid]

Yakonid w/ paleo mongoloid elements

[Smeagol]

Yakonid w/ paleo mongoloid elements

Yakonids always have Paleo-Mongolid elements. The Yakonid type is mostly North Sinid with progressive Paleo-Mongolid, and Ainuid influences.

[YeshAtid]

Yakonids always have Paleo-Mongolid elements. The Yakonid type is mostly North Sinid with progressive Paleo-Mongolid, and Ainuid influences.

W/=without. He's a mixture of nord sinid and ainud, which gives him a pseudo European vibe.

[Visitor_22]

Mostly Jomon with minor Yayoi blood

[Visitor_22]

Also, I have noticed japanese people have unique noses, what most asians don't have.
Hmm...

[YeshAtid]

Also, I have noticed japanese people have unique noses, what most asians don't have.
Hmm...

They're sharper

[Visitor_22]

They're sharper

They are simply bigger and caucasian looking. Non-typical for asians.

[Smeagol]

They are simply bigger and caucasian looking. Non-typical for asians.

You can find the same type of nose in Chinese, and Korean North Sinids.

[Visitor_22]

You can find the same type of nose in Chinese, and Korean North Sinids.

But it's not typical for them. Japs have certainly bigger noses.

[Smeagol]

But it's not typical for them. Japs have certainly bigger noses.

It's typical for the North Sinid race.

[Visitor_22]

It's typical for the North Sinid race.

Nope. Only for japanese of Jomon ancestry. Chinese don't have those noses.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s0YrMEBBQVw/TWa5gjBcX5I/AAAAAAAAAnI/J7xCJP9RChc/s1600/Kalafina.485690.jpg

http://oh-news.net/live/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Kalafina_live_interview13_.jpg

http://z3.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p388003/168179_1752465368095_1132721667_2011431_6137283_n. jpg

http://data.whicdn.com/images/12466347/Chiaki_large.jpg

[Smeagol]

Nope. Only for japanese of Jomon ancestry. Chinese don't have those noses.

Again, North Sinid Chinese do have longer, more European looking noses, don't lump all Chinese together.

[YeshAtid]

Again, North Sinid Chinese do have longer, more European looking noses, don't lump all Chinese together.

Some Southerners do as well

[Visitor_22]

Again, North Sinid Chinese do have longer, more European looking noses, don't lump all Chinese together.

Longer but not as japanese noses.
Japanese noses are completely unique, more caucasian and bigger.