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Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 03:51 AM
I'm curious about the average Apricity members opinion of Lithuania and the Lithuanian people?

* inspired by this thread (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?14369-Your-view-about-Norwegians-and-Norway) *

http://www.karikatura.lt/wp-content/uploads/lietuviu_kalba.jpg

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 08:38 AM
I wonder if glasses is trollng :)
why? estonians like us, usually...

Peikko
10-15-2013, 05:08 PM
I hate them, bunch of Swamp apes and winter n****s

B01AB20
10-15-2013, 05:14 PM
for the average spaniard lithuanians are 'some kind of russians', and for the somewhat informed 'some kind of poles' :p

east europe is not very well known by us I think, and the most we know about it is about soviet union.

ask the same in 20 years and things will be changed, I'm almost sure.

Peikko
10-15-2013, 05:22 PM
Winter niggers.

I like that.
I like that too, but I voted for the first one.

I think the big mystery about Lithuanians is, why there are so many of them at TA? :confused:

Colonel Frank Grimes
10-15-2013, 05:23 PM
Winter niggers.

I like that.

That is pretty funny.

I only know one Lithuanian-American guy. He's a good guy but he never returned a book I lent him. He later lent it to the chick he was banging. He had many interesting stories about teaching high school science to emotionally disturbed teenagers. One kid who took lots of acid freaked out in class and accused a girl of being Hitler. He had to be physically restrained. He's an interesting guy but I want my book back. It's been 4 years already.

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 05:24 PM
I think the big mystery about Lithuanians is, why there are so many of them at TA? :confused:
there's like 3 or 4.
I guess it's because we tend to be right leaning but not racist or anti-Semitic enough to join stormfront.

Baldur
10-15-2013, 05:25 PM
good at basket.

Acquisitor
10-15-2013, 05:28 PM
Baltic people are generally very nice and clearly European. Its unfortunate that their fate allowed USSR to occupy them for fifty years leaving behind a trace of ugly buildings, a significant russian minority and psychological damage.

but I know the scars will heal eventually. The three Baltic states including Lithuania will undoubtedly have a great future.

Peikko
10-15-2013, 05:32 PM
riverturd voted for the last one. You guys should take it as a positive sign :)

Prince Carlo
10-15-2013, 05:32 PM
I'm curious about the average Apricity members opinion of Lithuania and the Lithuanian people?

http://ge.scosrl.eu/wp-content/blogs.dir/10/files/alassiocup-07-06/indre-sorokaite.jpg
http://www.federvolley.it/CMS/upload/news/3350.jpg
http://www.sportrentino.it/public/immagininotizie/118/2012_13/A1F/sorokaite_giurato.jpg
http://www.elaborare.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/2009/07/reda-61.jpg
http://www.elaborare.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/2009/07/reda-51.jpg
http://www.goyostyles.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Reda-Lapaite.jpg

King Claus
10-15-2013, 05:33 PM
Baltic people are generally very nice and clearly European. Its unfortunate that their fate allowed USSR to occupy them for fifty years leaving behind a trace of ugly buildings, a significant russian minority and psychological damage.

but I know the scars will heal eventually. The three Baltic states including Lithuania will undoubtedly have a great future.

Those genetic defects can't restore completely though, infact, it will spread like cancer.

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 05:34 PM
riverturd voted for the last one. You guys should take it as a positive sign :)to each their own I guess.


http://ge.scosrl.eu/wp-content/blogs.dir/10/files/alassiocup-07-06/indre-sorokaite.jpg
http://www.federvolley.it/CMS/upload/news/3350.jpg
http://www.sportrentino.it/public/immagininotizie/118/2012_13/A1F/sorokaite_giurato.jpg
http://www.elaborare.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/2009/07/reda-61.jpg
http://www.elaborare.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/2009/07/reda-51.jpg
http://www.goyostyles.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Reda-Lapaite.jpg

from Kaunas, of course ;)


Those genetic defects can't restore completely though, infact, it will spread like cancer.
genetic defects?


Baltic people are generally very nice and clearly European. Its unfortunate that their fate allowed USSR to occupy them for fifty years leaving behind a trace of ugly buildings, a significant russian minority and psychological damage.

but I know the scars will heal eventually. The three Baltic states including Lithuania will undoubtedly have a great future.I can't help but see a lot of similarities between Lithuanians and Jews. both are extremely argumentative, stubborn and seem to hate each others guts, but at the same time somehow manage to be extremely protective of one another.

Deimos
10-15-2013, 05:34 PM
I haven't had much contact with Lithuanians, but I have a good opinion about them.
I tend to support the Lithuanian basketball team whenever they play and in general they seem like cool people.
Besides that, my cousin's wife is Lithuanian and I have noticed she's a bit stubborn, but a nice person in general (for example, she knows Albanian but she won't speak it, no matter what). Don't know if my observation applies to other Lithuanians. :)

Útrám
10-15-2013, 05:37 PM
I'd stop disliking them if they return my blue-ray player.

riverman
10-15-2013, 05:41 PM
riverturd voted for the last one. You guys should take it as a positive sign :)

Should have added 'crappy sense of humour' to the poll

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 05:42 PM
I'd stop disliking them if they return my blue-ray player.I'm afraid it probably is already sold to some pawn shop to pay for cocaine or Molly.

d3cimat3d
10-15-2013, 05:51 PM
I'm indifferent, I just like how they pwn3d the Germans badly and Lithuania is one of the only countries who doesn't suck up to Germany. But one thing I don't understand why they like to sub-divide regions regions (Samogitia, Sudovia etc.) and act as if they are soo different from each-other? :noidea:

Gorštak
10-15-2013, 05:54 PM
0:0 half time:icon_sorry:

Wolf
10-15-2013, 05:57 PM
I'm indifferent, I just like how they pwn3d the Germans badly and Lithuania is one of the only countries who doesn't suck up to Germany.

:confused:

At least, Germany helped Lithuania to regain its independence from Russia, however, Lithuania annexed Memel/Klaipėda.

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 06:02 PM
:confused:
he's talking about the Teutonic knights, I think.

Permafrost
10-15-2013, 06:09 PM
justme, when she sees this thread

http://openclipart.org/people/GenX/Fap-meme.svg

glass
10-15-2013, 06:09 PM
I wonder if glasses is trollng :)
waht is wrong with me again?

Wolf
10-15-2013, 06:10 PM
he's talking about the Teutonic knights, I think.

The Teutonic Order was independent.

Links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Bull_of_Rimini, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Kruschwitz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietati_proximum

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 06:12 PM
The Teutonic Order was independent.
you don't consider the Teutonic order to be german?

Wolf
10-15-2013, 06:18 PM
you son't consider the Teutonic order to be german?

The Teutonic Order was dominated by Germans but it was still clerical in the first place.

d3cimat3d
10-15-2013, 06:18 PM
:confused:



I meant how they defeated the Christian fanatics a.k.a Tuetonic knights, nothing personal against Germany. The 2nd part of my post refers to when other blood like German is prized over the native blood, for example Romanians have a particular fetish for all things German and also in some former Soviet republics Russlandeutsch blood is prized above the native Slavic stuff, it says a lot about the self-worth of a country.

riverman
10-15-2013, 06:21 PM
I meant how they defeated the Christian fanatics a.k.a Tuetonic knights,

They defeated the Tuetonic Knights?:confused:

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 06:24 PM
They defeated the Tuetonic Knights?:confused:
many, many times.

inactive_member
10-15-2013, 06:29 PM
My first encounter with Lithuanians when I was visiting my grand parents on summer vacation which brings some good memories. Those were more Belarusian than Lithuanian.

My second encounter was a Lithuanian school teacher whom we respected. Yes, we did. :) I also met few Lithuanians in Belarus who were Belarusian nationalists. That was nice of them I thought. Those people were autochthonous or children of immigrants. I met some Lithuanians from Lithuania while travelling.

Traditional Lithuanian culture? Well...I like their culture. ;)

Don't know who's more Baltic between Lithuanians and Latvians. They are both Baltic people in my eyes.

My encounters with them were positive.

Also, Lithuanian forum members are good ambassadors for many things related to Lithuania on TA and ABF. Their topics often attract interest from people living in different countries. I am a regular subscriber. :)

lI
10-15-2013, 06:36 PM
Everyone's being oh-so-very-nice and voting for the politically correct option: "Great people, I love and respect their culture and history" - how boring...

I would much prefer to be infamous as a winter-nigger and a swamp-monkey, it just sounds so... savagely romantic & fitting for our "most mesolithic of them all" background :naughty2:

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 06:40 PM
Everyone's being oh-so-very-nice and voting for the politically correct option: "Great people, I love and respect their culture and history" - meh... :eviltongue:

I would much prefer to be infamous as a winter-nigger and a swamp-monkey, it just sounds so... savagely romantic & fitting for our "most mesolithic of them all" background :naughty2:
I voted 'meh', like a true Lithuanian would. I much prefer Iceland and their exquisite blu-ray players.

inactive_member
10-15-2013, 06:42 PM
Everyone's being oh-so-very-nice and voting for the politically correct option: "Great people, I love and respect their culture and history" - meh... :eviltongue:

I would much prefer to be infamous as a winter-nigger and a swamp-monkey, it just sounds so... savagely romantic & fitting for our "most mesolithic of them all" background :naughty2:

I could choose the option swamp dwellers or something along the lines. But swamp monkeys and winter niggers? I would be hesistant as some Lithuanians, who don't know me, could not have understood my sense of humour. ;)

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 06:56 PM
I would vote for stoats.

filthy beasts, one of them used to live in the roof of my grandmothers house. It even killed and ate her cat.

Hweinlant
10-15-2013, 07:01 PM
Strange Russians with big identity crisis, they even think they are not Russians. Other than that the lack of culture is striking, apparently Russian invasion and occupation finished that off. They are also big fans of live role playing events, where they dress-up to fake folk-costumes they've made up during the Soviet occupation. Those are the positive things that come to my mind. On the negative side they are pretty annoying bunch as they come to Finland/Western Europe for committing petty crime (stealing fuel from cars, burglary etc). If there would be Schengen-area nuisance-o-meter they would score second only to Bulgarians and Romanians. Having said that I'm pretty indifferent towards them, they don't even play ice hockey.

lI
10-15-2013, 07:18 PM
Strange Russians with big identity crisis, they even think they are not Russians. Other than that the lack of culture is striking, apparently Russian invasion and occupation finished that off. They are also big fans of live role playing events, where they dress-up to fake folk-costumes they've made up during the Soviet occupation. Those are the positive things that come to my mind.I see Hweinlant still hasn't got over his jealousy after he became aware of the lovely authentic folk songs, dresses and customs that we've preserved since the times immemorial :)

Hush, hush, Hwein, it's alright, you're all-so-Western, rich and modern - you don't need all that archaic shit, just calm down.





I could choose the option swamp dwellers or something along the lines. But swamp monkeys and winter niggers? ;)

Humour's only worth something when it's crass :D

Which reminds me...
...after you picked up an argument in another topic on an even place.
There's this saying we have: "two Lithuanians can make up an argument with each other on an even place" - it's like the favorite national pastime - being crass and picking arguments over nothing.




I would vote for stoats.Oh, c'mon! Crass we may be but certainly not sneaky!

I'd vote for bears. Well, "swamp monkeys" - pretty much the same thing...





Lithuania annexed Memel/Klaipėda.Klaipėda region was predominantly ethnically Lithuanian anyway. If Lithuania hadn't gotten it back then, that region would have later met the same destiny as the surroundings of Konningsberg did where the local population was genocided by the Soviet army.

sevruk
10-15-2013, 07:18 PM
I love the fact they are very paganistic. In the rest "I hate them, bunch of Swamp apes and winter n****s" (joke)

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 07:24 PM
badass in other words
yes, much like forsai are.


I'd vote for bears. Well, "swamp monkeys" - pretty much the same thing (gorillas), no?
"swamp monkeys": swamp - because that's basically what Lithuania is.
and monkey's - because we're archaic(underdeveloped, primitive primates).

Dandelion
10-15-2013, 07:27 PM
The loudest and proudest of the Baltics.

inactive_member
10-15-2013, 07:37 PM
I love the fact they are very paganistic. In the rest "I hate them, bunch of Swamp apes and winter n****s" (joke)


They have been very Christian, who preserved pagan traditions. Belarusians were not less pagan than them. The difference was that we were converted to Christianity earlier. However, northern Belarus remained pagan for a long time even after Christianity. Belarusians had a pagan healthen in the centre of Minsk survived till early 20th century . It was consisted of Oak tree, large stone and sacred fire with an elder. People were coming to the stone. The heathen was destroyed in preparation for the anverasary of Christianity in Belarus. Commies arrested the son of the elder who continued pagan practices in the 20s. The sacred stone is held the museum of stones now.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%B4_%28%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%83%D0% BD%29

During soviet era many sacred stones were removed or exploded. Some old timers say villagers continued coming to the stones.

I compiled a small collection of the pictures of the stones found in Belarus http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?43577-On-a-Grave-Symbol-From-Northwest-Belarus&p=1941286&viewfull=1#post1941286


Sorry for off-topic.

Hweinlant
10-15-2013, 07:39 PM
I see Hweinlant still hasn't got over his jealousy after he became aware of the lovely authentic folk songs, dresses and customs that we've preserved since the times immemorial :)


Yeah right. Meet the Himba, preserving lovely authentic folk songs, dresses and costumes since times immemorial. You made a little error there with the word customs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customs), that is something no Lithuanian knows anything about.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6L8dPaB9huU/UGuYeVuuT6I/AAAAAAAAEa0/pbNYMdlYCno/s640/visiting_the_himba_people_fs.jpg

Difference between Himba and Lithuanians is that Himba at-least take some effort, they mix fat, dust and dung to create that wonderful traditional reddish hue. Lithuanians just grab some leafs&grass and stick it to their hair:
http://blog.massfolkarts.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Jonas_kupole.jpg

Then again, that's very affordable hat. You have to make it from what you got! I think that is respectable.

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 07:41 PM
You made a little error there with the word customs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customs), that is something no Lithuanian knows anything about.
lol, so true.

inactive_member
10-15-2013, 07:42 PM
Humour's only worth something when it's crass :D

Which reminds me...
There's this saying we have: "two Lithuanians can make up an argument with each other on an even place" - it's like the favorite national pastime - being crass and picking arguments over nothing..

I will have many opportunities to joke about the Lithuanians. I am sure we have one or two in Belarus. ;) In this topic, I believe most people have been honest expressing their views about the Lithuanians. :)

Dandelion
10-15-2013, 07:44 PM
Himba women never wash themselves from birth to death. Still some of them look pretty nonetheless (even taking their primitive hunter-gatherer lifestyle into account, which only allows them to live a few decades).

FrostDragon
10-15-2013, 07:44 PM
White and European, and thus to be cherished.
Anything else you need to know?

korkolola
10-15-2013, 07:49 PM
Hweinlant's posts are hilarious!

lI
10-15-2013, 08:07 PM
You made a little error there with the word customs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customs), that is something no Lithuanian knows anything about.As a matter of fact I didn't, the word "customs" doesn't necessarily mean this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customs) but can also be used as a plural of the word "custom" meaning: "folk tradition" when more than one tradition is being discussed, e.g.:
https://library.usu.edu/Folklo/edresources/customs.html


Yeah right. Meet the Himba, preserving lovely authentic folk songs, dresses and costumes since times immemorial.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6L8dPaB9huU/UGuYeVuuT6I/AAAAAAAAEa0/pbNYMdlYCno/s640/visiting_the_himba_people_fs.jpg

Difference between Himba and Lithuanians is that Himba at-least take some effort, they mix fat, dust and dung to create that wonderful traditional reddish hue. Lithuanians just grab some leafs&grass and stick it to their hair:
http://blog.massfolkarts.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Jonas_kupole.jpg

Then again, that's very affordable hat. You have to make it from what you got! I think that is respectable.You always know how to cheer up a Balty, Hwein :D

But it's fascinating that a Finn doesn't even know anything about wreaths: grab some leafs&grass and stick it to the hair - lol how exactly do you thing those leaves are supposed to stick to the hair? The guy has to skip shower for a month to make the hair greasy enough or what?

I'll explain it to you, the leaves (or flowers) have to be woven into wreaths. Wait, actually, I can show it to you, here's a tutorial from the Baltyland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkTLixaV7tU

The simplest wreath takes at least 15min to make (you have to pick the plants beforehand) but making a normal one takes around an hour...
So, cheap it may be but effortless it certainly isn't.

BTW you notice that the old man is wearing a sash. The particular type of sashes that he's wearing has been known in Lithuania at the very least since the Medieval times - that's when the earliest evidence has been found in the mounds but, as you know, the Baltic soil is not good for preserving textile, so it's not possible to know when exactly did they get (or were invented) to this region. The unbroken tradition of making them is still carried on today :)

Hweinlant
10-15-2013, 08:09 PM
Himba women never wash themselves from birth to death.

Thanks for input. It seems that Lithuanians do wash every once in a while. I googled it up so it must be true. They have intriguing traditions associated with the bathing ritual. Perhaps Link will inform us more ?

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/vilax/vilax1204/vilax120400207/12993446-vilnius-lithuania--february-4-fans-of-winter-swimming-take-a-bath-in-some-ice-water-on-february-4-20.jpg

Hercus Monte
10-15-2013, 08:13 PM
Thanks for input. It seems that Lithuanians do wash every once in a while. I googled it up so it must be true. They have intriguing traditions associated with the bathing ritual. Perhaps Link will inform us more ?

why waste good money when you can simply use good, old, slightly yellow snow?
you have much to learn from us fiscally responsible balts.

Hweinlant
10-15-2013, 08:20 PM
But it's fascinating that a Finn doesn't even know anything about wreaths: grab some leafs&grass and stick it to the hair - lol how exactly do you thing those leaves are supposed to stick to the hair? The guy has to skip shower for a month to make the hair greasy enough or what?


Sorry, I really don't know. Your explanation seems OK by me. I actually had a hunch about the process. We use hats here. They are made of many different materials, not from grass tho', and are used to cover the upper part of the head all the way down to ears, especially in wintertime.



I'll explain it to you, the leaves (or flowers) have to be woven into wreaths. Wait, actually, I can show it to you, here's a tutorial from the Baltyland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkTLixaV7tU


And then you sell those to Latvia ? This is your export, right ? Latvians seem to have similar "wreath hats".

Off to the market! ?
http://www.latvia.travel/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-photo/661-tukuma_ligotaji.jpg

Not a Cop
10-15-2013, 08:23 PM
Actually unlike Latvia or Estonia i do'nt know much about this country, and had only visited it, when i was a kid, but i count this country as a preserve of beautifull girls in advance, considering that it's between Belarus and Latvia.

So i approve:thumb001:

glass
10-15-2013, 09:11 PM
I didn't expect that from you.
i am very friendly and kind person
what else would you expect? :cool:


I would much prefer to be infamous as a winter-nigger and a swamp-monkey, it just sounds so... savagely romantic & fitting for our "most mesolithic of them all" background
your balkanite temperament can not be described with word winter :rolleyes:

lI
10-15-2013, 09:18 PM
Thanks for input. It seems that Lithuanians do wash every once in a while. I googled it up so it must be true. They have intriguing traditions associated with the bathing ritual. Perhaps Link will inform us more ?

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/vilax/vilax1204/vilax120400207/12993446-vilnius-lithuania--february-4-fans-of-winter-swimming-take-a-bath-in-some-ice-water-on-february-4-20.jpgWinter outdoor bathing is the key practice of the Lithuanians who have chosen to identify with seals: before plunging into the icy waters they are simply dancing around the fire to emphatize with their totemic animal :)
Incidentally, it is often the people who look like seals who choose that kind of lifestyle, so the photos might not be a very pleasant sight to behold...

To be honest I don't know if the fire is a regular thing for those seals. I see in the URL link of that photo that's it's taken in the early February when the traditional festivity Užgavėnės takes place, the main attribute of which is burning an effigy of an old woman on a big fire - so, maybe that's what they're preparing that fire for in the photo.


Sorry, I really don't know. Your explanation seems OK by me. I actually had a hunch about the process. We use hats here. They are made of many different materials, not from grass tho', and are used to cover the upper part of the head all the way down to ears, especially in wintertime.Yes, well wreaths are meant for festivities like Jorė, Kupolė, Sekminės, Žolinės and the like. For the rest of the year there are hats, caps, shawls...
Which reminds me of the discussion about folk clothing at ABF and specifically its coloring. You insisted that the original Baltic folk costumes must have been white because dye is expensive - not something the ordinary peasants could afford.
Well, these are the colors that can be achieved using natural dye that costs nothing:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iMlhGqCPKck/TolUeUVsR_I/AAAAAAAABiQ/M-6j2VHD7lQ/s1600/vilnoniai_siulai_dazyti_grybais_Continarium_2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0waet8LAGRc/ToMCG2ue0jI/AAAAAAAABhs/xB0nhM2zRvg/s1600/vilnos_dazymas_grybais_Paxillus_.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0UNfr1eAvCI/TqhwsyDKkDI/AAAAAAAABj4/vJG7tJYRd2w/s1600/Obels_lapais_dazyta_vilna.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZoyOJ3QuKcI/T7ILVCXH6vI/AAAAAAAAJp4/y77eaeL0bWw/s1600/sistrodzijamaijs3.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-T9qrUN3oTY4/T7ILXJsoceI/AAAAAAAAJqA/fkrJ_VWVnIs/s1600/sistrodzijamaijs4.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JDqDFIId_I4/TDQj_LNfcnI/AAAAAAAAAu8/v7eaGr2rKVI/s1600/IMG_3068.JPG



And then you sell those to Latvia ? This is your export, right ? Latvians seem to have similar "wreath hats".

Off to the market! ?
http://www.latvia.travel/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-photo/661-tukuma_ligotaji.jpgIs it surprising that Latvians, being Baltic too, have similar folk traditions? :)

As for the customs "since the times immemorial", I've been meaning to start a topic about what types of folk singing can be associated with which archaeological cultures but never got around to it. Oh well.

Hayalet
10-15-2013, 09:36 PM
I'm fond of link, a no-nonsense poster.

Stanley
10-15-2013, 09:58 PM
good at basket.
-weaving or -ball? Because all I know about Lithuania is that it's where Zydrunas Ilgauskas is from and he was merely okay. I would hope their basket weaving would be a little more to brag about. ;)

Honestly speaking, I can't say—I've never met a Lithuanian, save some of their relatively few descendants here in America but that of course doesn't count. And all I knew about Lithuania before I ever participated on any anthroforums was that it was at the bottom of that three country stack next to the Baltic Sea and the sort of vague associations that come with that. So I can't fully speak to whether I respect the culture or not (what does that even mean anyway? I mean as long as the people don't eat babies or something I can probably respect a culture on some level).

I like Europe and Europeans generally, and I haven't found any reason for Lithuania and Lithuanians to be exceptions. I judge people on an individual basis, and the Lithuanian posters here are good; so Lithuania must be doing something right: I'd like to see the US ban our idiots from using the internet, too.

justme
10-16-2013, 01:49 PM
Most Albanians that I know like Lithuanians.

Skomand
10-16-2013, 03:20 PM
Germany had her own Lithuanians


Otto Glagau: Littauen und die Littauer. Tilsit 1869

http://books.google.de/books?id=JgcqAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=otto+Glagau&hl=de&ei=wcKgTKWJFYzDswbKnZHmDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Albert Zweck: Litauen. Eine Landes- und Volkskunde. Stuttgart 1898

http://archive.org/details/litaueneineland00zwecgoog

Nicholas
10-16-2013, 03:27 PM
Great people with great culture and great history.;)

Hercus Monte
10-16-2013, 05:17 PM
there's too much love in this thread, it doesn't fit our national narrative.
you guys are supposed to hate us, not like us.

B01AB20
10-16-2013, 05:56 PM
there's too much love in this thread, it doesn't fit our national narrative.
you guys are supposed to hate us, not like us.

if nobody hates lithuania is because lithuania and lithuanians are pretty insignificant, irrelevant, negligible, worthless. :D

I hope this helps to cheer you on.

Hercus Monte
10-16-2013, 06:02 PM
I hope this helps to cheer you on.
thanks, in a way it did :o

Skomand
10-16-2013, 09:14 PM
Wilhelm Storost/Vydunas (his portrait is on the 200-Litas note)
"Litauen in Vergangenheit und Gegenwart" 1916

(he doesn't distinguish between Prussian-Liths and Russian-Liths)

"Indessen ist es zweifellos, daß der Litauer manche häßliche Eigenschaft an sich trägt. So wird sehr oft seine Sucht zu prozessieren, das unter Litauern herrschende Sauflaster, ihre Heimtücke und Falschheit getadelt. Es ist nicht zu leugnen, diese Häßlichkeiten finden sich bei den Litauern, zuweilen sogar in einem auffallenden Maße."

Translation:

"...widespread alcoholism among Lithuanians, their falsehood and insidiousness are criticised. It cannot be denied, these ugly traits are found among Lithuanians, even to a large extent."

riverman
10-16-2013, 09:21 PM
Everyone's being oh-so-very-nice and voting for the politically correct option: "Great people, I love and respect their culture and history" - how boring...

I would much prefer to be infamous as a winter-nigger and a swamp-monkey, it just sounds so... savagely romantic & fitting for our "most mesolithic of them all" background :naughty2:

Well, that's what I voted.

Skomand
10-17-2013, 01:19 AM
A good source of first hand experience with Lithuania is the accounts of former Erasmus exchange students.
Google for "Erasmus Litauen", "Erasmus Lituanie" etc.

http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/international/outgoing/sok_erfahrungsberichte/Litauen/Anonym__Siauliai_University_20130130.pdf

http://rheinahrcampus.de/index.php?id=5410

Hercus Monte
10-17-2013, 01:54 AM
A good source of first hand experience with Lithuania is the accounts of former Erasmus exchange students.
Google for "Erasmus Litauen", "Erasmus Lituanie" etc.

first thing that comes up in youtube is gender inequality problems in Lithuania

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roBw8bwUy0

Pure ja
10-17-2013, 04:18 PM
why? estonians like us, usually...

glasses is an estonian? glasses seems to be trolling estonian, not a real one.

I think that lithuanians are great at basketball, fine enough people, otherwise ok, but (as a prevailing opinion among estonians) I like latvians more, because they are a bit more baltic....-finnic ;) and still more aware of it.
Lithuanians are just a little tad different from latvians, and not always in a positive way, maybe part of that is the arrogance which no doubt stems from their GREAT history :D

PS. what pertains to lithuanians and mesolithic, seals and swamps, I think that describes estonians (and western baltic-finns in general) much more than it does lithuanians. So don't cover yourself with false feathers and skins, stick to the leaves instead :)

Lithuanian men in particular also need to work on their versatility measured by decathlon and icosathlon results. :p

Nevertheless, lithuanians can count on the support of estonians, most of the time :D

Pure ja
10-17-2013, 04:35 PM
Oh, c'mon! Crass we may be but certainly not sneaky!

I'd vote for bears. Well, "swamp monkeys" - pretty much the same thing...


Are there any bears in Lithuania? I thought they were pretty much extinct. And lynx an endangered species.

In Estonia, on the other hand, ....let's just say that estonians are very proud of their bears and lynx and wolves and seals and migratory birds. Lithuania, not even a meh ;D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUgqXGu_gTQ

Hercus Monte
10-17-2013, 04:45 PM
In Estonia, on the other hand, ....let's just say that estonians are very proud of their bears and lynx and wolves and seals and migratory birds. Lithuania, not even a meh ;D

we have all of those, the wolfs and birds in particular :rolleyes:
concidering how Estonia is completely deforested in comparison to Lithuania I would guess we have more of them. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUgqXGu_gTQ
according to Estonians, latvia is in lithuania and half of lithuania is estonia ;)

Pure ja
10-17-2013, 05:11 PM
we have all of those, the wolfs and birds in particular :rolleyes:
concidering how Estonia is completely deforested in comparison to Lithuania I would guess we have more of them. ;)


Don't count on it, just count them! ;)
Although the statistics might be misleading, over 50% of Estonia is covered with forests. I guess Latvia (and certainly FInland and Sweden) has a more extensive forest cover, but I doubt about Lithuania.

There are 600 bears, about as much lynx and wolves in Estonia. And I very much doubt that Lithuanian waters would attract more seals than Estonian waters, simply because we have more islands and more ice-cover.




according to Estonians, latvia is in lithuania and half of lithuania is estonia ;)

That is the GREAT history of Estonia, according to estonians :D

Hercus Monte
10-17-2013, 05:28 PM
Don't count on it, just count them! ;)
Although the statistics might be misleading, over 50% of Estonia is covered with forests. I guess Latvia (and certainly FInland and Sweden) has a more extensive forest cover, but I doubt about Lithuania.

33,9% of lithuania is covered by forests, or to be more precise 2,099,000 ha. given the fact that estonia is smaller, I think we beat you on this one.


There are 600 bears, about as much lynx and wolves in Estonia. And I very much doubt that Lithuanian waters would attract more seals than Estonian waters, simply because we have more islands and more ice-cover.

well, we don't have bears, and the Lynx is an endangered species.(Give as a few decades, I'm sure we're going to catch up). we have seals but not as much as you said.
But when It comes to birds, we have you beat by a long shot.
One of the first bird ringing stations in Europe was built in lithuania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vent%C4%97_Cape), because we're one of the centers of European bird migration routes ;)


That is the GREAT history of Estonia, according to estonians :Dstill not as GREAT as our GREAT history :p

Pure ja
10-17-2013, 06:28 PM
33,9% of lithuania is covered by forests, or to be more precise 2,099,000 ha. given the fact that estonia is smaller, I think we beat you on this one.


Close, but no cigar!
Estonian forests are about 2,3 million ha, according to official stats (which could be lying).

http://www.envir.ee/375987

And I was actually thinking about relative forest cover anyway, so 34% is far from 50%.




well, we don't have bears, and the Lynx is an endangered species.(Give as a few decades, I'm sure we're going to catch up). we have seals but not as much as you said.
But when It comes to birds, we have you beat by a long shot.
One of the first bird ringing stations in Europe was built in lithuania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vent%C4%97_Cape), because we're one of the centers of European bird migration routes ;)


Just one cape?

http://www.puhkaeestis.ee/et/vaatamisvaarsused-ja-aktiivne-puhkus/puhkus-looduses/eesti-vaikesel-territooriumil-on-palju-imelist/linduderanne

Estonia is only behind Spain in 24h bird-watch results. And Spain is 10 times larger than Estonia, so based on sq. km Estonia wins hands down.

Hercus Monte
10-17-2013, 06:34 PM
Close, but no cigar!
Estonian forests are about 2,3 million ha, according to official stats (which could be lying).

http://www.envir.ee/375987

And I was actually thinking about relative forest cover anyway, so 34% is far from 50%.
well I guess you win on this one :p

Just one cape?
no, not just one. they're all over the place.
but the import ones are in western lithuania(the curonian spit in particular) since, like I said, we're one of the main bird migration route centers in europe.(estonia isn't) :p

Empecinado
10-17-2013, 06:41 PM
Estonia is only behind Spain in 24h bird-watch results. And Spain is 10 times larger than Estonia, so based on sq. km Estonia wins hands down.

You have more bears, though we do have more wolves and % of forest area :p

Pure ja
10-17-2013, 07:00 PM
well I guess you win on this one :p

no, not just one. they're all over the place.
but the import ones are in western lithuania(the curonian spit in particular) since, like I said, we're one of the main bird migration route centers in europe.(estonia isn't) :p

En route to where exactly?

38712

(I still want to win the other one ;)

armenianbodyhair
10-17-2013, 07:02 PM
They can be a bit racist but really so can everyone.

Pure ja
10-17-2013, 07:03 PM
You have more bears, though we do have more wolves and % of forest area :p

Spain has more mountains and mountain forests, Estonia has more swamps and bogs and more bog-forests.

http://estonia.eu/about-estonia/country/estonian-nature-wildlife.html

Hercus Monte
10-17-2013, 07:06 PM
En route to where exactly?

38712

(I still want to win the other one ;)
I don't have a fancy map, but I can say the migrate to southern Europe and northern Africa.
they get up to 300 thousand birds a day.

Corvus
10-17-2013, 07:28 PM
A nice country with an intresting history.
I would like to visit it one day

Äike
10-17-2013, 07:47 PM
I'm indifferent towards them just like towards most other Europeans who we have little to do with.

Pure ja
10-17-2013, 09:40 PM
I don't have a fancy map, but I can say the migrate to southern Europe and northern Africa.
they get up to 300 thousand birds a day.

OK, it is almost a draw, but Estonia still leads in species count per day ;)

Hercus Monte
10-17-2013, 10:53 PM
OK, it is almost a draw, but Estonia still leads in species count per day ;)
let's agree to call it a draw. you might have more bears, but we have more birds.

Äike
10-17-2013, 10:58 PM
let's agree to call it a draw. you might have more bears, but we have more birds.

Estonia has more birds.

http://www.visitestonia.com/en/things-to-see-and-do-in-estonia/nature-holiday-in-estonia/estonia-is-ideal-for-bird-watching

Hercus Monte
10-17-2013, 11:00 PM
Estonia has more birds.

http://www.visitestonia.com/en/things-to-see-and-do-in-estonia/nature-holiday-in-estonia/estonia-is-ideal-for-bird-watching
not in species, but numbers of individuals.

Jonik
10-17-2013, 11:12 PM
My heart proud with my Lithuanian' Y-DNA & Autosomal genes, but unfortunately my sole never contacted of any piece of Lithuania land.

Äike
10-17-2013, 11:14 PM
not in species, but numbers of individuals.

Estonia has more birds by species and numbers.

Estonia is ranked 2nd in Europe for the number of bird species sighted here

http://www.visitestonia.com/en/things-to-see-and-do-in-estonia/nature-holiday-in-estonia/estonia-is-ideal-for-bird-watching

Estonia is smaller, but has more forests, animals and birds, accept it. We are small, but in our small package, there's a lot to offer.

Gorštak
10-17-2013, 11:25 PM
From our people who were in Lithuania I heard that there is depressed atmosphere on streets, boring cities.

Äike
10-17-2013, 11:39 PM
From our people who were in Lithuania I heard that there is depressed atmosphere on streets, boring cities.

It's true. Lithuania is a very dull place.

Quasimodem
10-17-2013, 11:41 PM
small package


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1agaZinJHg

Äike
10-17-2013, 11:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1agaZinJHg

I was talking about the small country of Estonia offering more than 2 times bigger countries... You're so immature.

Accountant
10-17-2013, 11:51 PM
Karl is owning everyone even when he is drunk. Get on Nordic level you swarthy Balto-Slavs.

Quasimodem
10-17-2013, 11:53 PM
I was talking about the small country of Estonia offering more than 2 times bigger countries... You're so immature.

Yes I am! And for more on the subject:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcFhMrf64-4

MelinusMargos
10-17-2013, 11:53 PM
the only thing I know about lithuanians is Conscious Rot:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mls7V7qEW94

B01AB20
10-18-2013, 12:39 AM
lithuanian names and surnames sound pretty good in spanish.

arvidas sabonis

antanas zakauskas

algis jankauskas

marchulenis

jasikevicius :D (ya si, que vicio)

they sound exotic and weird, with more resemblance with basque names than with slavic or german names, for me at least.

Hercus Monte
10-18-2013, 01:06 AM
Estonia is ranked 2nd in Europe for the number of bird species sighted here

read that sentence again.

It's true. Lithuania is a very dull place.
said the guys who proudly proclaims he knows little about us.
than again, dull is a subjective term.

you swarthy Balto-Slavs.
what happened to the alleged calmness of finnics?

Get on Nordic level
don't worry we're planing to.


marchulenisnot familiar with this one.

B01AB20
10-18-2013, 01:27 PM
don't worry we're planing to.not familiar with this one.


I found it in a facebook page with lithuanian names and surnames.

http://pictures2.todocoleccion.net/tc/2010/02/13/17545912.jpg

But maybe he was/is of russian origin.

Though Marchulenis doesn't sound russian to me.


with another spelling, Marciulionis... kinda italian no?
http://blogs.20minutos.es/quefuede/files/marciulionis.jpg

Empecinado
10-18-2013, 03:52 PM
they sound exotic and weird, with more resemblance with basque names than with slavic or german names, for me at least.

I opened a thread about old Iberian names and some people guessed them to be Lithuanian lol (both languages are unrelated, Iberian was not IE)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?86059-To-what-languages-these-names-sound-to-you

RussiaPrussia
10-18-2013, 04:01 PM
Palestinian people are generally very nice and clearly Muslims. Its unfortunate that their fate allowed Israel to occupy them for fifty years leaving behind a trace of ugly buildings, a significant Jewish minority and psychological damage.

but I know the scars will heal eventually. The Muslim world including Palestine will undoubtedly have a great future.

fixed

B01AB20
10-18-2013, 05:25 PM
I opened a thread about old Iberian names and some people guessed them to be Lithuanian lol (both languages are unrelated, Iberian was not IE)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?86059-To-what-languages-these-names-sound-to-you

yeah, some of the iberian and lithuanian names are really very similar.

coincidence, la braņa connection maybe?? :D

Hercus Monte
10-18-2013, 05:40 PM
coincidence, la braņa connection maybe?? :D
I would assume that those names where recorded by other indo-europeans?
if yes, I would say it's just because the indo-europeans around Iberians used to be more archaic, while we're still archaic indo-europeans.

Empecinado
10-18-2013, 05:45 PM
I would assume that those names where recorded by other indo-europeans?
if yes, I would say it's just because the indo-europeans around Iberians used to be more archaic, while we're still archaic indo-europeans.

I think this too.

Empecinado
10-18-2013, 06:36 PM
I think that's mainly because of -as type of endings in some surnames.

Some of the names have combinations of sounds that do not seem foreign. However, most of them would mean nothing in Lithuanian. Non-speakers of obviously can not feel it.

I would think they come from some Romance area. I do not speak any of the Romance languages.

This can be too, I think that both statements are reasonable and compatible. Iberians lived surrounded by IE speakers who spoke a primitive form of IE derived languages, and Lithuanian is the most similar language to the original IE, though most of the similarities with some words are due coincidence (surnames ending in -as and stuff you said).

These Iberian names sound strange to us Romance speakers, few of them could pass as Latin derived. The closest language to the Iberian is the Basque, which sounds quite primitive and different from Lithuanian (obvious):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpk7Te0qFnQ

Citizen
10-18-2013, 07:19 PM
Not Baltic enough, I like Latvia more!

Äike
10-18-2013, 07:46 PM
Not Baltic enough, I like Latvia more!

Lithuanians are more Baltic/Eastern-European, as the Latvians have a lot of Northern-European/Finnic admixture.

Citizen
10-18-2013, 09:00 PM
Lithuanians are more Baltic/Eastern-European, as the Latvians have a lot of Northern-European/Finnic admixture.

I would call that being more Baltic and less Polish.

Äike
10-18-2013, 09:10 PM
I would call that being more Baltic and less Polish.

The core essence of being Baltic is being Eastern-European, as they came from a Balto-Slavic homeland in modern day Eastern-Europe. The Latvians are borderline Balts, having a lot of Nordic admixture gotten from the native Finnics living there before them.

Hercus Monte
10-18-2013, 09:49 PM
The core essence of being Baltic is being Eastern-European, as they came from a Balto-Slavic homeland in modern day Eastern-Europe. The Latvians are borderline Balts, having a lot of Nordic admixture gotten from the native Finnics living there before them.
would you mind taking your off topic else where? I understand that you seem to be infatuated by us, but we got the message.
there's no need to spam every thread with your theories.
I would call that being more Baltic and less Polish.remind me... how many Germanic loanwords you have and how many Slavic loan words we have ;)
then lets decide who's more Baltic.

Äike
10-18-2013, 09:50 PM
would you mind taking your off topic else where? I understand that you seem to be infatuated by us, but we got the message.
there's no need to spam every thread with your theories.

Isn't this thread about Lithuania? I just responded to one Latvian who thought that they are more Baltic than the Lithuanians, they aren't. Where's the thanks?

Hercus Monte
10-18-2013, 09:53 PM
Isn't this thread about Lithuania? I just responded to one Latvian who thought that they are more Baltic than the Lithuanians, they aren't. Where's the thanks?
you talk about balto-slavs as if that's a cultural group.
do you not realize how diverse slavs and balts are? from your point of view I'm cultural closer to Bulgaria than I am to Bavaria :picard1:

Citizen
10-18-2013, 10:03 PM
you talk about balto-slavs as if that's a cultural group.
do you not realize how diverse slavs and balts are? from your point of view I'm cultural closer to Bulgaria than I am to Bavaria :picard1:

Leave the poor guy alone, hes obviously an idiot because he thinks that slavic = eastern european, while it means country that used to be part of soviet sphere of influence (including Hungary, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania). As for the loan words, it only makes us richer. ;) Lithuania is like a little baltic speaking Poland to me.

Hercus Monte
10-18-2013, 10:07 PM
Lithuania is like a little baltic speaking Poland to me.
how? ;)

Citizen
10-18-2013, 10:14 PM
how? ;)

Super Catholic and conservative land.

Hercus Monte
10-18-2013, 10:21 PM
Super Catholic
what? catholic - yes, super - not really. we're bellow the EU average when it comes to religious people.


conservative land
all the baltic states are conservative. more or less.

Citizen
10-18-2013, 10:34 PM
what? catholic - yes, super - not really. we're bellow the EU average when it comes to religious people.
Don't you constantly have talks about ban on abortions, if it hasnt been done already?


all the baltic states are conservative. more or less.
Not really, I don't see myself as conservative in any way, most people in Riga are quit liberal socially and quit left center economically.

Hercus Monte
10-18-2013, 10:42 PM
Don't you constantly have talks about ban on abortions, if it hasnt been done already?

no, that's the polish minority, they really want to ban abortions, not us.



Not really, I don't see myself as conservative in any way, most people in Riga are quit liberal socially and quit left center economically.
I don't see myself as conservative as well.
most people is Vilnius and Klaipeda(Kaunas is the stronghold of the right) are quite liberal. The current government is labor and social democrats(both center left)

lI
10-18-2013, 11:27 PM
Super Catholic and conservative land.About being super Catholic - you are wrong, Lithuania isn't very religious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Europe_belief_in_god.svg
This map shows the result of an Eurobarometer poll conducted in 2005. The colors indicated the percentage of people in each country who answered "I believe there is a God" in the interview.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Europe_belief_in_god.svg

About the conservativeness you are also wrong - it makes us more Baltic, not less.
For example, in Geert Hofstede (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Hofstede)'s cultural dimensions the Baltic states appear to be an extremum in the European context precisely because of their traditionalism (long-term orientation)
http://www.geerthofstede.com/research--vsm
http://imageshack.us/a/img819/733/eg.png
...and cluster with other conservative countries like Japan, Austria, etc
http://imageshack.us/a/img594/1020/jrx.png



Conservativeness is the very essence of being Baltic - Lithuanians are the most conservative Balts genetically (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?97687-Team-Belarus-vs-Team-Finland-How-much-would-be-the-overlapping&p=1994506&viewfull=1#post1994506) and culturally: linguistically it's the most archaic living Indo-European language (http://www.lituanus.org/1969/69_3_02.htm) while the folk music in its authentic form has been much better preserved in Lithuania compared to the two other Baltic States where the choir singing tradition imported from Switzerland in the late 19th century with the song & dance festivals has replaced the indigenous traditions to a very large extent. Neofolk like Ilgi has given yet another blow to the authentic folk music tradition. One has to literally scour the net through and through to lay one's hands upon the authentic stuff when it comes to Latvia. The situation is very different in Lithuania in that regard.

As for the loan words, it only makes us richer. ;) Lithuania is like a little baltic speaking Poland to me.Around a quarter of Latvian language vocabulary is comprised of German loanwords. In comparison, all Slavic loanwords combined (Polish + Old Ruthenian) make up merely 1,5% of Lithuanian language vocabulary. And yet, according to you, it is Lithuania which is somehow supposed to be less Baltic out of the two? :laugh:



Not really, I don't see myself as conservative in any way, most people in Riga are quit liberal socially and quit left center economically.Riga is not the real Latvia just like Vilnius is not the real Lithuania and Tallinn is not the real Estonia. Capital cities have always been multicultural and more liberal, the mentality of people living in them is affected by that. In the countryside & small towns Latvians are left-leaning economically too but socially they are much less liberal than the ones living in Riga.


Don't you constantly have talks about ban on abortions, if it hasnt been done already?It hasn't been done and it will never be done, much to the dismay of Lithuania's Poles who come up with bizarre initiatives like that all the time - few years ago they declared Jesus "their official king" http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/smilies/Facepalm1.gif
https://www.vulcanhammer.org/2009/12/30/jesus-christ-is-enthroned-as-king-in-lithuania/
"“Enthrone Jesus Christ as King of our municipality, solemnly declare that he is our sovereign and protector,” said Mayor Zdzislav Palevic (Polish) of Šalčininkai, as quoted by Baltic news agency BNS .This town of about 7,000 people, mostly ethnic Poles, is located about fifty kilometres south of Vilnius, the first Lithuanian city to have entrusted its fate to Jesus Christ. In an act approved last 12 June, the Vilnius region was placed under the protection of Christ “to avoid painful mistakes, dangers and threats”."





The core essence of being Baltic is being Eastern-European, as they came from a Balto-Slavic homeland in modern day Eastern-Europe.Lithuanians have preserved the indigenous circum-Baltic folklore better than Estonians. I am talking about the polyphonic multi-part folk singing which is shared by Sami, Seto, Latvians and Lithuanians but is completely absent among the contemporary Estonians.
Another example would be the 5-string boat type of kanklės/kokles/kantele/gusli which, again, was replaced entirely by the newer types of kantele among Estonians but not among Balts where it still coexists among the newer types.
That's just a few examples, would you like me to go on?

Hercus Monte
10-18-2013, 11:55 PM
I think he meant conservative in a political sense, not linguistic or cultural.

lI
10-19-2013, 01:38 AM
I think he meant conservative in a political sense, not linguistic or cultural.I think not because in the current Latvian parliament the right-wing party Nacionālā apvienība holds 14% of the seats (imagine Murza's party getting that many votes) and center-right (vienotiba + Zatler's party) holds 34%, so, politically Latvians vote for the conservative parties more vigorously.


En route to where exactly?
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=38712&d=1382036365
En route to here exactly - both major Europe's routes go through Lithuania while only one goes through Estonia:
http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/mar2006/empres_watch_global_flyways.gif





-weaving or -ball? Because all I know about Lithuania is that it's where Zydrunas Ilgauskas is from and he was merely okay. I would hope their basket weaving would be a little more to brag about. ;)Was Sabonis merely okay too?
And there were a few more in NBA:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/birthplaces.cgi?country=LT

Then again, why would you expect Lithuania's basketball achievements to be exhibited in USA's National Basketball League.
Europeans have their own league, you know.

After the regaining of independence in 1991, Lithuania's national basketball team has won:
Olympics Bronze medals in 1992, 1996, 2000
FIBA World Cup Bronze medal in 2010
FIBA EuroBasket Gold medal in 2003, Silver medals in 1995, 2013, Bronze medal in 2007

What more could you want from a country with just over 3 million people, really?





Estonia is smaller, but has more forests...It has more forests because it has less people (proportionally). There's Tallinn (which is almost half Russian), Tartu and that's about it:
http://www.nonformality.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/167-large.jpg

Everything comes at a price, see.


It's true. Lithuania is a very dull place.Better dull than pretentious.

But it's interesting to see how you agree with any sort of criticism thrown towards Lithuania by others, even when that criticism directly contradicts what you yourself have stated earlier. A few months ago you were arguing that Estonians are more "dull l& boring" (and thus Nordic) than Lithuanians who are in turn more "fierce & emotional" because, according to you, being not boring just means "Mexican soap operas" - those were your exact words.

Guapo
10-19-2013, 01:40 AM
their names and surnames look Greek

Stanley
10-19-2013, 01:47 AM
Was Sabonis merely okay too?
And there were a few more in NBA:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/birthplaces.cgi?country=LT

Then again it's a bit weird that you are expecting Lithuania's basketball achievements to be exhibited in USA's National Basketball League.
Europeans have their own league, you know.

After the regaining of independence in 1991, Lithuania's national basketball team has won:
Olympics Bronze medals in 1992, 1996, 2000
FIBA World Cup Bronze medal in 2010
FIBA EuroBasket Gold medal in 2003, Silver medals in 1995, 2013, Bronze medal in 2007

What more could you want from a country with just over 3 million people, really?

No, Sabonis was quite good, didn't realize he was Lithuanian.

I wasn't being serious, by the way. Apologies for not making that more apparent. You've convinced me Lithuanians are pretty damn good at basketball—much better than European-Americans, certainly. :lol:

Quasimodem
10-19-2013, 02:26 AM
Then again, why would you expect Lithuania's basketball achievements to be exhibited in USA's National Basketball League.


Because it's the best basketball league in the world.

Hercus Monte
10-19-2013, 02:55 AM
(imagine Murza's party getting that many votes)
Mindaugas Murza? that's a scary thought. (Ironically he's also a Nordic wannabe)

inactive_member
10-19-2013, 03:48 AM
People from marketing who wrote the article on the website "visit Estonia" didn't check the figures stating Estonia is 2nd behind Spain in Europe on the number of bird species. ;)

Figure according to national avifauna of each country.

Great Britain - 597
Spain - 563
France - 541
Italy - 527
Germany - 514
Denmark - 452
Poland - 446
Greece - 442
...
Latvia - 344
Lithuania - 342
Estonia - 339


The countries that have lengthy coastal line seem to have more species than inland countries.

Hercus Monte
10-19-2013, 04:26 AM
Figure according to national avifauna of each country.
Spain - 563
<...>
Estonia - 339
a 224 difference, quite a big lie. I guess Estonia is in desperate need for tourists if they have to steep so low.

Äike
10-19-2013, 04:47 AM
En route to here exactly - both major Europe's routes go through Lithuania while only one goes through Estonia:
http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/mar2006/empres_watch_global_flyways.gif

Reread my post about Estonia being 2nd only to Spain.


It has more forests because it has less people (proportionally). There's Tallinn (which is almost half Russian), Tartu and that's about it:
http://www.nonformality.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/167-large.jpg

lol, Estonia is a country that is evenly populated all over the country. There's even a problem that the army has a hard time finding a single area in Estonia where they could practice shooting artillery, as there are people everywhere. Certain cities include most of the population, but there are people everywhere.

Estonia just has a lot of forest. My maternal's grandparent's farm is in the middle of a thick forest and my paternal's grandparent's farm is in the middle of a forest.

In the far north, like Estonia and Finland, we are untouched and preserved ancient nature, together with the animals.


Better dull than pretentious.

But it's interesting to see how you agree with any sort of criticism thrown towards Lithuania by others, even when that criticism directly contradicts what you yourself have stated earlier. A few months ago you were arguing that Estonins are more "dull l& boring" (and thus Nordic) than Lithuanians who are in turn more "fierce & emotional" because, according to you, being not boring just means "Mexican soap operas" - those were your exact words.

Looks like Lithuanian schools don't teach English.

Lithuania is a country, while Lithuanians are a people. Lithuania is a dull country without anything special, it's capital and towns are boring without any interesting architecture and so on. At the same time, Tallinn has one of the most, if the number 1, preserved old towns in entire Europe. + there are a lot of interesting things in Estonia, be it untouched wildlife, Estonian-Swede areas of NW-Estonia or whatever else.

Lithuania looks dull from every angle. It's a gray Eastern-European nation that you just drive through. At the same time, the people are by mentality and culture, just like the Slavs. For a Nordic Estonian/Finn/Swede, the Lithuanians are hot-blooded Eastern-Europeans.

Next time you reply to my post, pick up an English dictionary before you accuse me contradicting myself.

Aunt Hilda
10-19-2013, 05:05 AM
Reread my post about Estonia being 2nd only to Spain.

:laugh:



People from marketing who wrote the article on the website "visit Estonia" didn't check the figures stating Estonia is 2nd behind Spain in Europe on the number of bird species. ;)

Figure according to national avifauna of each country.

Great Britain - 597
Spain - 563
France - 541
Italy - 527
Germany - 514
Denmark - 452
Poland - 446
Greece - 442
...
Latvia - 344
Lithuania - 342
Estonia - 339


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inactive_member
10-19-2013, 05:07 AM
a 224 difference, quite a big lie. I guess Estonia is in desperate need for tourists if they have to steep so low.

I couldn't be bothered checking other figures presented in the article. Just accept there's more of everything in Estonia. ;)

Quasimodem
10-19-2013, 05:18 AM
Next time you reply to my post, pick up an English dictionary before you accuse me contradicting myself.


Lithuania is a country, while Lithuanians are a people. Lithuania is a dull country without anything special, it's capital and towns are boring without any interesting architecture and so on.

That should be its, not it's.

Hercus Monte
10-19-2013, 05:21 AM
I couldn't be bothered checking other figures presented in the article. Just accept there's more of everything in Estonia. ;)
yeah, you cant argue with that logic.

lI
10-19-2013, 06:33 AM
Lithuania is a dull country without anything special, it's capital and towns are boring without any interesting architecture and so on. At the same time, Tallinn has one of the most, if the number 1, preserved old towns in entire Europe. + there are a lot of interesting things in Estonia, be it untouched wildlife, Estonian-Swede areas of NW-Estonia or whatever else.Let's look at an objective evaluation rather than your biased ramblings:
ESTONIA
Properties inscribed on the World Heritage List & elements on the Lists of Intangible Cultural Heritage

Historic Centre (Old Town) of Tallinn (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/822) (1997)
Struve Geodetic Arc (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1187) (2005)
Baltic song and dance celebrations (http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?lg=en&pg=00011&RL=00087)
Kihnu cultural space (http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?lg=en&pg=00011&RL=00042)

Seto Leelo, Seto polyphonic singing tradition (http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?lg=en&pg=00011&RL=00173) (a distinct ethnic group, not ethnic Estonians)http://whc.unesco.org/en/statesparties/EE/
http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?lg=en&pg=00311&topic=mp&cp=EE


LITHUANIA
Properties inscribed on the World Heritage List & elements on the Lists of Intangible Cultural Heritage

Curonian Spit (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/994) (2000)
Kernavė Archaeological Site (Cultural Reserve of Kernavė) (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1137) (2004)
Struve Geodetic Arc (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1187) (2005)
Vilnius Historic Centre (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/541) (1994)
Sutartinės, Lithuanian multipart songs (http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?lg=en&pg=00011&RL=00433)
Baltic song and dance celebrations (http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?lg=en&pg=00011&RL=00087)
Cross-crafting and its symbolism (http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?lg=en&pg=00011&RL=00013)

http://whc.unesco.org/en/statesparties/lt
http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?lg=en&pg=00311&topic=mp&cp=LT


So, Karl, 4 vs 7 - it seems that it's only you who finds Lithuania duller than Estonia. The world thinks differently.



At the same time, the people are by mentality and culture, just like the Slavs. For a Nordic Estonian/Finn/Swede, the Lithuanians are hot-blooded Eastern-Europeans.A Nordic Finn is nothing like an un-Nordic Estonian, whichever way you look at it, that's the truth:
Anecdotal evidence
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKiTA48agFo)Empirical evidence (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?97735-Your-view-about-Lithuanians-and-Lithuania&p=2006135&viewfull=1#post2006135) (Hofstede's dimensions)


lol, Estonia is a country that is evenly populated all over the country. There's even a problem that the army has a hard time finding a single area in Estonia where they could practice shooting artillery, as there are people everywhere. Certain cities include most of the population, but there are people everywhere.The very definition of "evenly populated" states that the species must be evenly distributed throughout its habitat like penguins. From top to bottom: uniform (even) distribution, random distribution and clumped distribution:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Population_distribution.svg


Estonia's model where a third of country's population lives in the capital and another third is crammed in several towns leaving the rest of the country populated more or less as sparsely as Siberia is the exact opposite of "evenly populated".
As I said - there's half Russian Tallinn, Tartu and Narva (I didn't mention Narva in the previous post but that one's almost fully Russian anyway) while elsewhere there are practically no people: 2,700/km2 in Tallinn/Tartu vs 1-10/km2 in most of the countryside - for crying out loud, it IS like Siberia: bogs, woods and virtually no people - and you call that "evenly populated" :picard1:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Estonia_population_density.png




Lithuania is a country, while Lithuanians are a people.When you're talking about a country rather than merely a geographical unit like the Baltic sea or Samogitian highlands, people are an integral part of it. A mere look at some encyclopedia would have let you know that much:
LITHUANIA (a country)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania
Main chapters:


1 History (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania#History) (concerns population)
2 Geography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania#Geography)
3 Politics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania#Politics) (concerns population)
4 Economy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania#Economy) (concerns population)
5 Infrastructure (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania#Infrastructure) (concerns population)
6 Demographics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania#Demographics) (concerns population)
7 Culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania#Culture) (concerns population)




Next time you reply to my post, pick up an English dictionary before you accuse me contradicting myself.
Next time you want to reply to my post, why don't you pick up an English dictionary?
That very post of yours was flooded with mistakes, I counted ~10.




In the far north, like Estonia and Finland, we are untouchedGood for you :)

sevruk
10-19-2013, 09:55 AM
Mindaugas Murza? that's a scary thought. (Ironically he's also a Nordic wannabe)

Murza? WTF? Sounds turkic

Hercus Monte
10-19-2013, 09:57 AM
Murza? WTF? Sounds turkic
kinda, it's a very odd name

than again the ''Führer'' doesn't look turkic

http://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?id=534215&s=11&f=4
http://www.bernardinai.lt/file/9ef7490092e0ffa133e7348061949a54ccda4eec.jpg

Hercus Monte
10-19-2013, 10:02 AM
Not really, if you know the word murzinas (http://etimologija.baltnexus.lt/?w=murza). This word isn't rarely used.
He's the only person I've heard of with the name Murza.

Hercus Monte
10-19-2013, 10:07 AM
Me too. However, one can easily associate it with a word murzinas.
murzinas may not be a rare word, but Murza is a very rare surname.

Talvi
10-19-2013, 10:08 AM
I know absolutely nothing about Lithuanians. I had this Lithuanian Erasmus friend a few years back... and I kept confusing her for a Latvian... It seemed that they had a whole week off during Easter holidays, which made the country seem as quite religious....

Not a Cop
10-19-2013, 10:10 AM
Lithuania is a country, while Lithuanians are a people. Lithuania is a dull country without anything special, it's capital and towns are boring without any interesting architecture and so on. At the same time, Tallinn has one of the most, if the number 1, preserved old towns in entire Europe. + there are a lot of interesting things in Estonia, be it untouched wildlife, Estonian-Swede areas of NW-Estonia or whatever else.



I would say it again, Karl

Being proud of medieval archetecture of Tallinn is the same as being proud of medieval archetecture of Munich or Hamburg, because it was built by germans and for germans.
Even if Lithuanian archetecture looks boring for you it was at least built by lithuanians

Hercus Monte
10-19-2013, 10:10 AM
I know absolutely nothing about Lithuanians. I had this Lithuanian Erasmus friend a few years back... and I kept confusing her for a Latvian... It seemed that they had a whole week off during Easter holidays, which made the country seem as quite religious....
we have time off for practically everything. if the holiday is on a weekend we just make the closest work day a holiday.

I would say it again, Karl

Being proud of medieval archetecture of Tallinn is the same as being proud of medieval archetecture of Munich or Hamburg, because it was built by germans and for germans.
Even if Lithuanian archetecture looks boring for you it was at least built by lithuanians
well... a lot of it was built by German, Scandinavian, French and, most importantly, Italian architects.
But you're right, it was built for us, not some foreign overlords.

riverman
10-19-2013, 10:11 AM
Lithuanians have preserved the indigenous circum-Baltic folklore better than Estonians. I am talking about the polyphonic multi-part folk singing which is shared by Sami, Seto, Latvians and Lithuanians but is completely absent among the contemporary Estonians.
Another example would be the 5-string boat type of kanklės/kokles/kantele/gusli which, again, was replaced entirely by the newer types of kantele among Estonians but not among Balts where it still coexists among the newer types.
That's just a few examples, would you like me to go on?

Hmm well, those peoples really aren't related in any major way, Setos and Saami aren't baltiic by any means, and f.e. R.Catholicism could be said to be way outside the cultural norm for non-balts.

Mans not hot
10-19-2013, 10:11 AM
kinda, it's a very odd name

than again the ''Führer'' doesn't look turkic

http://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?id=534215&s=11&f=4
http://www.bernardinai.lt/file/9ef7490092e0ffa133e7348061949a54ccda4eec.jpg
He might have Polish ancestry, judging by his surname which is not uncommon in Poland.

sevruk
10-19-2013, 10:14 AM
kinda, it's a very odd name

than again the ''Führer'' doesn't look turkic

http://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?id=534215&s=11&f=4
http://www.bernardinai.lt/file/9ef7490092e0ffa133e7348061949a54ccda4eec.jpg

interesting specimen. He says "Lithuania for Lithuanians", but married to a woman from Russia xD

sevruk
10-19-2013, 10:19 AM
He is a clown, no one takes him seriously.

Karl of Lithuania

Hercus Monte
10-19-2013, 10:22 AM
He is a clown, no one takes him seriously.
he changed his name now to Mindaugas Gervaldas.(probably to sound less polish ;) )
I know that the other radical nationalist parties put together get about 3% of the vote. I wonder how many of that 3% would vote for Murza if his party was legal.

Pure ja
10-20-2013, 05:41 PM
En route to here exactly - both major Europe's routes go through Lithuania while only one goes through Estonia:
http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/mar2006/empres_watch_global_flyways.gif


The count of species shows otherwise, but let it be a draw.

PS. A lot of tagged birds also go straight south from Estonia towards Egypt and beyond.




It has more forests because it has less people (proportionally). There's Tallinn (which is almost half Russian), Tartu and that's about it:

Everything comes at a price, see.


Yes, civilisation comes at a price - less nature, including less birds.
It is difficult to find a balance, esp for humans. Neanderthals were the last to achieve that.

Pure ja
10-20-2013, 05:43 PM
People from marketing who wrote the article on the website "visit Estonia" didn't check the figures stating Estonia is 2nd behind Spain in Europe on the number of bird species. ;)

Figure according to national avifauna of each country.

Great Britain - 597
Spain - 563
France - 541
Italy - 527
Germany - 514
Denmark - 452
Poland - 446
Greece - 442
...
Latvia - 344
Lithuania - 342
Estonia - 339


The countries that have lengthy coastal line seem to have more species than inland countries.

Those stats are not comparable.
One is for migratory birds, counted in one hour (EDIT: or one day).
The other is total count.

Pure ja
10-20-2013, 05:44 PM
a 224 difference, quite a big lie. I guess Estonia is in desperate need for tourists if they have to steep so low.

I recall the amount of tourists in Estonia was 7 or 8 million last year. That is 5.5-6 times the local population.
How about Lithuania?

Pure ja
10-20-2013, 05:47 PM
I couldn't be bothered checking other figures presented in the article. Just accept there's more of everything in Estonia. ;)

One hot item is shakals. Estonia has got some already, which means that Lithuania has got to have more of them.

Pure ja
10-20-2013, 06:06 PM
[/URL]Empirical evidence (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?97735-Your-view-about-Lithuanians-and-Lithuania&p=2006135&viewfull=1#post2006135) (Hofstede's dimensions)


Hofstede's dimensions are not stable in time. Or rather, countries are not stable projections on those dimensions.
There are wide changes even within a decade. Of course if you prefer to define Nordic as just a decadal phenomenon, let it be.

And may I also add that the description of nordicness might need additional dimensions.



The very definition of "evenly populated" states that the species must be evenly distributed throughout its habitat like penguins. From top to bottom: uniform (even) distribution, random distribution and clumped distribution:
...
Estonia's model where a third of country's population lives in the capital and another third is crammed in several towns leaving the rest of the country populated more or less as sparsely as Siberia is the exact opposite of "evenly populated".
As I said - there's half Russian Tallinn, Tartu and Narva (I didn't mention Narva in the previous post but that one's almost fully Russian anyway) while elsewhere there are practically no people: 2,700/km2 in Tallinn/Tartu vs 1-10/km2 in most of the countryside - for crying out loud, it IS like Siberia: bogs, woods and virtually no people - and you call that "evenly populated" :picard1:
...


You are both exaggerating.
25% of Estonians and 1/3 of estonians live in the countryside. That is about average of all developed countries.

The population density of Siberia is 2-3 ppl/km2, the density without cities is an order of magnitude less. You are mistaken with the example of Siberia more than Karl was mistaken with his claim of even distribution. The population density on the West-Siberian Plains is about 0,02 ppl / km2.
The population density of Estonian counties varies, the lower bound is around 4 ppl / km2 (south-east regions, mostly).

Tartu only has about 10-20% of russians.
And setos are an integral part of Estonia, until setos claim otherwise.

Pure ja
10-20-2013, 06:11 PM
Hmm well, those peoples really aren't related in any major way, Setos and Saami aren't baltiic by any means, and f.e. R.Catholicism could be said to be way outside the cultural norm for non-balts.

Regilaul is not completely absent among contemporary estonians.

Hercus Monte
10-20-2013, 08:51 PM
I recall the amount of tourists in Estonia was 7 or 8 million last year. That is 5.5-6 times the local population.
How about Lithuania?
I don't know how many tourists visited lithuania last year. couldn't find any official statistics.
but we're among the fastest growing tourism attractions in europe (Lithuania - 20,3 %, Latvia– 20,8 %, Estonia– 15,6 % growth)
+ 96% of tourists rated Lithuania as very good or good.

B01AB20
11-13-2013, 12:16 PM
bump

why hannibal lecter is lithuanian and not latvian or estonian?

Stormer99
11-13-2013, 12:18 PM
They're cool I guess.

Hercus Monte
11-13-2013, 12:23 PM
why hannibal lecter is lithuanian and not latvian or estonian?
we're more brutal, the red in our flag symbolizes blood, not some fancy landscape like in Estonia.

B01AB20
11-13-2013, 12:30 PM
we're more brutal, the red in our flag symbolizes blood, not some fancy landscape like in Estonia.

ehmm... are you sure of that?

lithuanian guys and girls here seem to be quite calm, rational and easy-going; on the other hand äike the estonian... well, äike is really brutal!! (and I'm sure äike likes the russian meat)

Hercus Monte
11-13-2013, 12:34 PM
ehmm... are you sure of that?

lithuanian guys and girls here seem to be quite calm, rational and easy-going; on the other hand äike the estonian... well, äike is really brutal!! (and I'm sure äike likes the russian meat)
well on the outside and in public we're cold like real northerners(we don't want people to find out we have emotions) but once you get to know us, you learn that we're quite easy to talk to(Catholic influences I suppose)

Äike
11-13-2013, 01:42 PM
we're more brutal

Yeah. Eastern-Europeans have a reputation of being quite harsh and brutal people.


well on the outside and in public we're cold like real northerners

lol, does anyone have to remind you that you're a Balto-Slavic Eastern-European? From a Latvian, this would also sound very weird, but the Latvians have a very minimal connection with us, Nordics, through assimilated native Northerners, the Finnics & some Lutheran background. The Lithuanians on the other hand, have absolutely no ties with us, Scandinavians and Finncs.

Hercus Monte
11-13-2013, 01:49 PM
Yeah. Eastern-Europeans have a reputation of being quite harsh and brutal people.



lol, does anyone have to remind you that you're a Balto-Slavic Eastern-European? From a Latvian, this would also sound very weird, but the Latvians have a very minimal connection with us, Nordics, through assimilated native Northerners, the Finnics & some Lutheran background. The Lithuanians on the other hand, have absolutely no ties with us, Scandinavians and Finncs.
lol, go be butt-hurt somewhere else little Estonian. it's not our fault you never lifted a finger yo protect yourself and never did anything impressive, you should be attacking yourself, not us.
it's not up to you to define us. it's up to us. We think we're northern(not nordic for obvious reasons), therefore we are.
we don't need others to define us, we're our own thing.

B01AB20
11-13-2013, 04:18 PM
we don't need others to define us, we're our own thing.

haha, poor delusional in deep denial.

lithuania?, estonia? latvia?, almost unknown and insignificant countries that nobody knows where they are or what they do for a living.

but if you say 'the baltic countries', the baltic ex-soviet countries or something like that then everybody knows what we're talking about.

You only have sense being part of the baltic facade :cool: , forever and ever put togheter with latvia and estonia.





the baltic republics, las repúblicas bálticas... that's your official denomination here in spain.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6203/6126417705_1c40a8be66_o.png http://image.casadellibro.com/libros/0/republicas-balticas-estonia-letonia-y-lituania-guia-basica-par-a-descubrir-el-pais--2-ed-guias-ecos-9788493655433.jpghttp://www.lasescapadas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/baltic2.jpghttp://farm7.static.flickr.com/6164/6162024056_b619f30b63_o.png

the exception to the rule.
http://image.casadellibro.com/libros/0/estonia-letonia-y-lituania-2012-2-edlonely-planet-9788408009849.jpg


baltische republiken!!!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xqmx6AaHBZw/TAoohHJr8jI/AAAAAAAAACA/FWvpahisdc0/s320/A1.jpg


You're into the baltic facade man, and I think you can do nothing to avoid it for the next 40 years at least..

Geni
11-13-2013, 04:22 PM
the language man...maybe the more ancient indo-europian language today...i would like learn lithuanian :cry

Hercus Monte
11-13-2013, 05:35 PM
haha, poor delusional in deep denial.

lithuania?, estonia? latvia?, almost unknown and insignificant countries that nobody knows where they are or what they do for a living.

It doesn't matter that we're unknown to others, WE know what we are.
at the end of the day,that's what matters.

B01AB20
11-13-2013, 06:50 PM
It doesn't matter that we're unknown to others, WE know what we are.
at the end of the day,that's what matters.

well said man, some italians here should learn from you.

Hercus Monte
11-13-2013, 07:45 PM
i would like learn lithuanian :cry
than learn it, not that difficult to do.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKwMV8-cjE

Hercus Monte
11-14-2013, 03:25 AM
why hannibal lecter is lithuanian and not latvian or estonian?
actually, I remember someone telling me that this (http://www.strangehistory.net/2011/03/31/the-death-dealer-of-kovno/)was the 'inspiration'. Don't know if that's true or not.

Accountant
11-14-2013, 08:10 AM
Edita Vilkevičiūtė is possibly the most beautiful woman in the world. For a post-Soviet Eastern European country Lithuania is fine.

B01AB20
11-14-2013, 12:13 PM
actually, I remember someone telling me that this (http://www.strangehistory.net/2011/03/31/the-death-dealer-of-kovno/)was the 'inspiration'. Don't know if that's true or not.

:scared:

the young man put the crowbar to one side, fetched an accordion and went and stood on the mountain of corpses and played the Lithuanian national anthem. I recognised the tune and was informed by bystanders that this was the national anthem.




He was obviously referring to Karl's usual theory that Lithuania and Estonia are worlds apart. I think you misunderstood something because Lithuanians feel comfortable being a part of Baltic countries unlike some Estonians.


The lack of information should not define who we are. How can you do that if you know nothing about us? On the other hand, the way you see yourself is not necessarily objective either (let's say Karl is an extreme example).

:cool: OK.

But my post was not as serious as your response, I only tried to stir up a bit the waters of baltic sea. But anyway I think it's an objective fact, in west europe at least is more known the concept of 'baltic republics' than any of the their components. A result of recent history I guess, maybe in 20 or 30 years things will be different.

Hercus Monte
11-14-2013, 01:25 PM
:scared:

that particular account is far from being the most reliable from a factual point of view. but yeah, that's supposedly the inspiration.

Pure ja
11-14-2013, 05:37 PM
we're more brutal, the red in our flag symbolizes blood, not some fancy landscape like in Estonia.

I thought Hannibal represented more refined values, not brutality.
I think lithuanians are more refined, estonians are more brutal, if necessary.

As to the flag colors, Estonian flag colors (blue, black and white) represent buried Estonian enemies being the manure for Estonian nature :D

Pure ja
11-14-2013, 05:46 PM
haha, poor delusional in deep denial.

lithuania?, estonia? latvia?, almost unknown and insignificant countries that nobody knows where they are or what they do for a living.

but if you say 'the baltic countries', the baltic ex-soviet countries or something like that then everybody knows what we're talking about.


I dunno.
Google Trends shows that the importance of Siberia is somewhere between that of Estonia and Estland.
And Baltic is not much more.




You only have sense being part of the baltic facade :cool: , forever and ever put togheter with latvia and estonia.
...
You're into the baltic facade man, and I think you can do nothing to avoid it for the next 40 years at least..

As to Spain, estonians know that it is the land of basques and catalans and that's it, and if they secede then there will be no Spain left. ;)

Hercus Monte
11-14-2013, 05:46 PM
I thought Hannibal represented more refined values, not brutality.
I think lithuanians are more refined, estonians are more brutal, if necessary. well, yes. we're more ''experienced'' when it comes to mass murder. But I never actually watched the movie, so I probably shouldn't talk.

anyway, why are we ''bragging'' over who's better at this?

Pure ja
11-14-2013, 06:33 PM
well, yes. we're more ''experienced'' when it comes to mass murder.


The first documented mass murder on Estonian soil was unearthed near Tartu. 8+2 men got killed. Time: 8000 years ago.
I think estonians are competitive :cool:




anyway, why are we ''bragging'' over who's better at this?

Um, to establish who is better?

Hercus Monte
11-14-2013, 06:39 PM
Um, to establish who is better?
we've spilled much more blood in our History.
It's barely a competition, just think of Grunwald.

Pure ja
11-14-2013, 06:54 PM
we've spilled much more blood in our History.
It's barely a competition, just think of Grunwald.

I think estonians are still competitive.
10 000 per day for a fortnight, that was the casualty rate during the battle of Sinimäed.

B01AB20
11-14-2013, 07:04 PM
I dunno.
Google Trends shows that the importance of Siberia is somewhere between that of Estonia and Estland.
And Baltic is not much more.

don't know about google trends, and don't care neither, but siberia is very important man, an entitity by itself and different from russia.



As to Spain, estonians know that it is the land of basques and catalans and that's it, and if they secede then there will be no Spain left. ;)

Spain will disappear and it will be the return of al-andalus, thrilling.

Hercus Monte
11-15-2013, 02:09 AM
I think estonians are still competitive.
10 000 per day for a fortnight, that was the casualty rate during the battle of Sinimäed.
we simply have more blood on our hands, sorry.

Äike
11-15-2013, 05:16 AM
haha, poor delusional in deep denial.

lithuania?, estonia? latvia?, almost unknown and insignificant countries that nobody knows where they are or what they do for a living.

but if you say 'the baltic countries', the baltic ex-soviet countries or something like that then everybody knows what we're talking about.

You only have sense being part of the baltic facade :cool: , forever and ever put togheter with latvia and estonia.





the baltic republics, las repúblicas bálticas... that's your official denomination here in spain.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6203/6126417705_1c40a8be66_o.png http://image.casadellibro.com/libros/0/republicas-balticas-estonia-letonia-y-lituania-guia-basica-par-a-descubrir-el-pais--2-ed-guias-ecos-9788493655433.jpghttp://www.lasescapadas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/baltic2.jpghttp://farm7.static.flickr.com/6164/6162024056_b619f30b63_o.png

the exception to the rule.
http://image.casadellibro.com/libros/0/estonia-letonia-y-lituania-2012-2-edlonely-planet-9788408009849.jpg


baltische republiken!!!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xqmx6AaHBZw/TAoohHJr8jI/AAAAAAAAACA/FWvpahisdc0/s320/A1.jpg


You're into the baltic facade man, and I think you can do nothing to avoid it for the next 40 years at least..

Estonians are not Balts nor are they Baltic. It's like there were "4 Baltic countries" in 1920. Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, with the Finnic/Nordic Estonians/Finns having little to do with the Balts expect just getting independence from the Russian Empire. Now the only reason why even sane people think that the Estonians have anything to do with the Eastern-European Balts is because of the Soviet occupation.


He was obviously referring to Karl's usual theory that Lithuania and Estonia are worlds apart. I think you misunderstood something because Lithuanians feel comfortable being a part of Baltic countries unlike some Estonians.


Estonians are not Balts nor are they Baltic, of course we're a bit uncomfortable when someones mistakes us for someone that we have never been or will be.


Baltic countries are too small in geographical and population size to each recieve special attention. Only 6,255,865 people live in Baltic countries. What does an average European know about let's say our history that sets us apart from other Eastern Europeans? Talking about a even smaller scale (differences in Baltic region) would be pointless.

Only 4000 Balts live in Estonia, I have never met any Baltic person living in Estonia. Estonia is a part of the Finnic region (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Suur-Suomen_kartta.png) that runs from South-Western Estonia, by the coastline, through Ingria and the Finnish coast all the way to Northern-Sweden.

Skomand
11-15-2013, 09:44 AM
Geographic Balts (including Estonians):

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltische_Staaten
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltikum
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch-Balten
Das Baltikum ist ein geographisches und historisches Gebiet in Nordosteuropa an der Ostküste der Ostsee südlich des Finnischen Meerbusens. Dazu rechnet man die Gebiete der Staaten Estland, Lettland und Litauen, die auch als baltische Staaten bezeichnet werden.



Ethnic Balts (excluding Estonians):

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balten




Medieval Baltikum (excluding Lithuania):

http://hostarea.de/out.php/i318646_440px-livland-1260.svg.png (http://hostarea.de/show.php/318646_440px-livland-1260.svg.png.html)

Aunt Hilda
11-15-2013, 12:22 PM
I recommend people just ignore Karls spam, or you might get sucked in into his propaganda machine.

Äike
11-15-2013, 03:01 PM
Geographic Balts (including Estonians):



Geographically, Swedes, Estonians, Germans, Latvians, Danes, Lithuanians, Russians, Finns and Russians are Balts as they border the Baltic sea.

Culturally/ethnically/linguistically/by identity/mentality, only the Latvians and Lithuanians are Balts. Geographically the live in Northern-Europe as the Baltic tribes invaded Northern-Europe, by assimilating the native Finnics. Culturally, ethnically, linguistically, by identity and mentality, they're Eastern-Europeans, like Russians living in St. Petersburg (a city built in the middle of a Finnic heartland).

Äike
11-15-2013, 03:02 PM
I recommend people just ignore Karls spam, o ryou might get sucked in into his propaganda machine.

I recommend you to get a brain transplant, you are in dire need for one.

Aunt Hilda
11-15-2013, 03:13 PM
I recommend you to get a brain transplant, you are in dire need for one.
we're so much alike Karl, I used to make those ''get a brain transplant'' jokes when I was 12 too :o

Äike
11-15-2013, 03:20 PM
we're so much alike Karl

No, dream on.

Aunt Hilda
11-15-2013, 03:28 PM
No, dream on.
Whatever I have accepted until now as most true has come to me through my senses. But occasionally I have found that they have deceived me, and it is unwise to trust completely those who have deceived us even once.

—René Descartes

Skomand
11-15-2013, 04:08 PM
Geographically, Swedes, Estonians, Germans, Latvians, Danes, Lithuanians, Russians, Finns and Russians are Balts as they border the Baltic sea.



The countries that have a Baltic shore are called the Baltic region:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_region


Baltic (disambiguation))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_%28disambiguation%29

Äike
11-15-2013, 05:34 PM
The countries that have a Baltic shore are called the Baltic region:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_region


Baltic (disambiguation))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_%28disambiguation%29

As I said earlier, Finland was also a Baltic state when it gained independence from the Russian Empire.

Countries like Estonia and Finland being grouped with the completely unrelated Balts is just a temporary geopolitical thing, related to getting independence in a similar fashion with them (Russian Empire in 1917/1918 & USSR 1991).

Pure ja
11-15-2013, 05:56 PM
Geographic Balts (including Estonians):

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltische_Staaten
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltikum
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch-Balten
Das Baltikum ist ein geographisches und historisches Gebiet in Nordosteuropa an der Ostküste der Ostsee südlich des Finnischen Meerbusens. Dazu rechnet man die Gebiete der Staaten Estland, Lettland und Litauen, die auch als baltische Staaten bezeichnet werden.


If baltic is derived from the Baltia / Balcia island mentioned by Pliny, and if it resided in the region now called the three Baltic states, then I should stress that balts have never had any sea islands. The only islands in that region are in Estonia. The largest island is Saaaremaa (Ösel), and one of its districts (parishes) is called Valjala (<-Valdjala<- Valtio+ala). So if Pliny got the region right, then Baltia / Balcia was the district of Valjala/ Valtio in Ösel.

If the baltic sea hydronym derives from germanic word for 'belt' (meaning 'a strait'), then there is a connection with the glacial and post-glacial times when the proto-Baltic ice lakes formed a belt of lakes and rivers at the edge of the Baltoscandian glacier (and the other one over the White Sea and further east). And that is also why the sea between Estonian mainland and islands and the Riga Bay are together called Väinameri (Strait Sea). That Väinameri used to stretch to Peipsi around both (north and south) sides of Estonia and to Laadoga and beyond, to the Vienanmeri (White Sea). That also fits as an explanation to the Väina river (Daugava) and to the Vienanjoki river (Northern Dvinaa) - as part of a belt of ice-lakes and rivers at the edge of the glacier. And if some punk has a nerve to claim that Väina is not of uralic or finnic origin, then that same punk should also explain what is Väinamöinen doing in the finnic creation myth - at sea.

There was also another name for the region of three contemporary Baltic states - Aestii (or Este). Again, nowadays it is Eesti = Estonia.

Hercus Monte
11-15-2013, 06:00 PM
There was also another name for the region of three contemporary Baltic states - Aestii. Again, nowadays it is Eesti = Estonia.
yes, but Aesti didn't refer to estonians at first. it referred to baltic peoples' somewhere around gdansk, probably prussians.

Skomand
11-15-2013, 06:12 PM
Countries like Estonia and Finland being grouped with the completely unrelated Balts is just a temporary geopolitical thing, related to getting independence in a similar fashion with them (Russian Empire in 1917/1918 & USSR 1991).


The bond between Latvians and Estonians was a common state, Protestantism and a ruling German upper-class.
Whereas Lithuania - disregarding Prussian-Lithuanians - was historically tied to Ruthenia and Poland.

"During the Livonian Crusade, ancient Livonia was colonized by the Livonian Brothers of the Sword, later called the Livonian Order, and the name Livonia came to designate a much broader territory: Terra Mariana on the eastern coasts of the Baltic Sea, in present-day Latvia and Estonia. Its frontiers were the Gulf of Riga and the Gulf of Finland in the north-west, Lake Peipus and Russia to the east, and Lithuania to the south.

Livonia was inhabited by various Baltic and Finnic peoples, ruled by an upper class of Baltic Germans.


Unter Plettenberg, der als Deutschmeister selbst katholisch blieb, setzte sich in Livland ab 1524 die Reformation durch, ohne dass es zu Gewalt zwischen Katholiken und Protestanten kam. Nach dem Untergang Altlivlands 1561 zeigte sich, dass der Protestantismus zum entscheidenden Bindeglied zwischen Deutschen, Esten und Letten Altlivlands geworden war. Protestantische Pastoren trugen Außerordentliches dazu bei, dass es zu einer zunehmenden Annäherung zwischen ihren Völkern kam, auch kulturell. In den verschiedenen staatlichen Konstruktionen – und selbst in der Zeit der lettischen und estnischen Emanzipation – konnte dieser Zusammenhalt bisher niemals nachhaltig zerstört werden."

Pure ja
11-15-2013, 06:16 PM
yes, but Aesti didn't refer to estonians at first. it referred to baltic peoples' somewhere around gdansk, probably prussians.

I disagree.
We are back to the Rzucevo culture, of which one component was Narva culture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rzucewo_culture

Hercus Monte
11-15-2013, 06:17 PM
I disagree.
We are back to the Rzucevo culture, of which one component was Narva culture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rzucewo_culture
the northernmost point of the curonian spit is quite far from gdask.

Äike
11-15-2013, 06:20 PM
The bond between Latvians and Estonians was a common state, Protestantism and a ruling German upper-class.


1. There never was any common state, the region was split up.

2. Latvians are 50/50 Catholic/Lutheran and don't have a 100% historically Lutheran background like Nordic people, Estonians, Swedes, Icelanders, Finns etc.

3. Germans always made a very small part of the country nor were there any German colonists in Estonia, only nobles, traders and officials.

In all honesty, modern-day Germans have more Estonian influence than Estonians have German influence for a simple reason. The Estonian nobles assimilated among the Germans and all Estonians in the towns who wanted to get ahead (trading etc.) also assimilated. Now, all those assimilated Estonians went to Germany in 1939 and 1940 when the Baltic-Germans left.

Most of your posts are borderline demagogic and have no basis.

Estonians- Historically Lutheran Finnic people belonging to the Nordic cultural sphere who have lived here for the past 6000 years.

Latvians- Recent Baltic migrants to this part of Europe who assimilated all the native-Finnics of Latvia in the course of hundreds of years. There's a reason why Livonia was named after Livs.

By the way, some Latvians are trying to state that they're also "Nordic" or related to them, because of the Finnic blood in their veins. They're still Eastern-European Balto-Slavs, though. As culture, identity and mentality is the main thing. For an Estonian, Latvia is shockingly corrupt, poor and undeveloped.

Pure ja
11-15-2013, 07:12 PM
the northernmost point of the curonian spit is quite far from gdask.

There is more than one spit in the neighbourhood. As a teaser, what would be the northernmost of those large spits? Sõrve spit, in Saaremaa. Well, actually there are 62 spits in Estonia.

Anyway, Scandinavia is portrayed to be an island into the medieval times. That is a documented fact. But the physical fact (of Fennoscandia being an island) happened at the end of the last ice age. Time and again there is evidence of social memory persisting up to 10 000 years or even more.

There might even be a connection - Scandinavia being an island was used by natives to explain the origin of toponyms (like baltic, belt of ice lakes and rivers) to foreign travellers.

Pure ja
11-15-2013, 10:04 PM
Regilaul is not completely absent among contemporary estonians.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hPLgnjPwWY&noredirect=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNZ6BQboUm4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBS34HLX_aY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU0_U_ssiGg

And one more modern one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHNSnjRH1R4

Pure ja
11-15-2013, 10:34 PM
Another estonian song in old rhyme:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RImbts7f7U

justme
11-17-2013, 08:30 PM
Lithuanians.... Haaa Lithuanians....they have weird names..names like edgaraovicius or valalalalalalacuite...

justme
11-17-2013, 08:31 PM
Hey! Can I create a thread called "troll lithuanians here"? :D

B01AB20
11-17-2013, 08:32 PM
Lithuanians.... Haaa Lithuanians....they have weird names..names like edgaraovicius or valalalalalalacuite...

others have weird religions, like islam.

justme
11-17-2013, 08:34 PM
others have weird religions, like islam.too bad for you I'm not a Muslim... And Catholicism isn't that great, orthodox isn't bad... It's a shame Serbs and Greeks are giving it a bad name... The orthodox Albanian give it a good name though...

Pure ja
11-25-2013, 07:07 PM
Lithuanians,

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2810/hhx4.png

They are different from other european indo-europeans, in that they have very little light blue (which peaks among bedouins and they have very few light yellow (which peaks among nganassans, but is also high in Yakuts). Dark blue and green can likely be traced back to the proto-european population (gravettian), based on the Mal'ta results. And their best genetic buddies (among the studied populations) are estonians - both the most proto-europeans.

I suggest it is time for balts to drop their glorious tales of ancient indo-european baltic tribes migrating to the Baltics. ;)
Welcome to the brotherhood of baltic-finnics ;) (after all, baltics are just baltics, but baltic-finnics is so much more !!!)
If you don't like the sound of it, how about Aestii-livonics :p
Or swiderians ;)

Hercus Monte
11-25-2013, 07:16 PM
Lithuanians,

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2810/hhx4.png

They are different from other european indo-europeans, in that they have very little light blue (which peaks among bedouins and they have very few light yellow (which peaks among nganassans, but is also high in Yakuts). Dark blue and green can likely be traced back to the proto-european population (gravettian), based on the Mal'ta results. And their best genetic buddies (among the studied populations) are estonians - both the most proto-europeans.

I suggest it is time for balts to drop their glorious tales of ancient indo-european baltic tribes migrating to the Baltics. ;)
Welcome to the brotherhood of baltic-finnics ;) (after all, baltics are just baltics, but baltic-finnics is so much more !!!)
If you don't like the sound of it, how about Aestii-livonics :p
Or swiderians ;)
Aren't you afraid your cars are gonna go missing if we join the finnic club?

interesting you mention the Aesti....


most Estonians referred to themselves as Maarahvas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonians#National_consciousness) until the early modern era. These facts suggests that either:
(1) Tacitus used a Latinised (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinisation_of_names) exonym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exonym) for the people concerned, possibly derived from the Germanic *austa- (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Germanic/aust%C4%85)("east")
2) the modern Estonian endonym is a loanword (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loanword) from the lost language of the Aestii (however, Eesti could equally simply be a borrowing from Swedish or Middle Low German, or directly from Latin), and/or;
(3) that the proto-Estonians were a Baltic people who later adopted a Finno-Ugric language. :rolleyes:



also, why is the Aesti article on Wikipedia part of the ''History of Estonia'' series?! Why are you stealing our History!?! :rolleyes:

Pure ja
11-25-2013, 07:46 PM
Aren't you afraid your cars are gonna go missing if we join the finnic club?


That's OK, estonians will steal Lithuanian bicycles then :D




interesting you mention the Aesti....


Most estonians called themselves as Maarahvas simply because most estonians were mainlanders, as opposed to coastlanders (rannarahvas, randlased; coastal livonians called themselves randalid or randalised) and islanders (saarerahvas, saarlased). The misconception is so wide-spread that it is a PITA to refute, even among estonians themselves. As far as I know, coastlanders and especially islanders never called themselves as Maarahvas. The misconception may have arisen from the fact, that (apart from oeselians) Henrik of Livonia and the crusaders first encountered sakala and ugandi people, who are as mainlanders / inlanders as can get.

The (1) and (2) and (3) are only the versions that indo-europeans can come up with.
There are finnic alternatives, like 'este' = jutting barrier. In modern estonian:

eend = overhang, jut
ees = in front of, ahead of

As an analogy to Pskov / Pihkva, which are based on the verbs of 'pihkuva' (spraying, ejaculating) and 'piiskuva' (ejecting droplets), the verbs for 'este' in estonian language would be eestuva / eenduva / eelduva.

And these are analogies to the toponyms of Jut+land and Jyl+land (jut = eest; jyll = eel(d)), which also designate a jutting land which acts as a barrier to seawaters or to a lake. Denmark from the western side and the Baltics and especially Estonia on the eastern side blocked the Baltic Ice Lake and still block the Baltic Sea.

PS. Estonians and livonians may have dropped the self-designation based on 'este' because originally it designated the whole eastern-Baltic coastal areas up to the Bay of Finland. Once the balts took over indo-european, it was necessary to use other designations. But it looks like swedes (whose coastlanders and gotlanders derive from a southern-baltic-finnic-like Pitted Ware culture) and other scandinavians continued to designate Este specifically to baltic-finnic speaking coastal area south to the Bay of Finland, which eventually dwindled to become contemporary Estonia.

It is also wrong to assume that people had only one designation - there were many self-designations, depending on the size of the region. Just as Scandia / Scandinavia / Fennoscandia / Baltoscandia nowadays.
PS.end.

And there are also analogies to the old toponym of the Vistula lagoon = Esten + mere = part of the sea which is now behind the barrier (spit).




also, why is the Aesti article on Wikipedia part of the ''History of Estonia'' series?! Why are you stealing our History!?! :rolleyes:

It is our common history, at least since Allerod. Estonians are still able to recall that. Why aren't the balts?

Hercus Monte
11-25-2013, 07:58 PM
That's OK, estonians will steal Lithuanian bicycles then :D


you won't be able to, we use credit cards to track who uses the bicycles http://en.cyclocity.lt/How-does-it-work/Using-the-Bikes

And I have a feeling Swedbank and Nordea like us more ;)


And there are also analogies to the old toponym of the Vistula lagoon = Esten + mere = part of the sea which is now behind the barrier (spit).
Mere is probably a loanword you got from us (Mari), and we got it from Latin. embrace your Indo-European shortcomings.




It is our common history, at least since Allerod. Estonians are still able to recall that. Why aren't the balts?
Oh, we recall it. It's just that we think it's funny.
To be honest most geneticists seem to favor the baltic-finnic theory, but linguists object to it ferociously.
It's would be very funny if it did turn out to be true, non indo-europeans doing a better job at preserving an indo-european language than all other indo-europeans, lol.

-----------

also, about the Word Aesti, It could easily be deprived from old Lithuanian.

athematic verbs still existed in Old Lithuanian.




'be', 'to be', 'I am', etc.


1st sg
esmė


2nd sg
esė


3rd sg
ẽst(i)


1st dual
esvā


2nd dual
estā


1st pl
esmč


2nd pl
estč


3rd pl (we are)
ẽsti

Äike
11-25-2013, 11:54 PM
And I have a feeling Swedbank and Nordea like us more ;)
Mere is probably a loanword you got from us (Mari), and we got it from Latin. embrace your Indo-European shortcomings.

Meri is a word that we (and you) got from the original post-ice age inhabitants of Europe (if Finno-Ugrians weren't those people).

Hercus Monte
11-26-2013, 12:21 AM
Meri is a word that we (and you) got from the original post-ice age inhabitants of Europe (if Finno-Ugrians weren't those people).

Ger. Meer.
Latn. Mare.
Latv. Mare.
Lit. Marios, Marės.
sl. Morje.
Goth. Marei.
Fr. Mer.
Bulg. More.
spn. Mar.
Pol. morze.
Cze. moře.
Hindi, - mudra
Sansk. - Mira (मीर) (http://www.sanskritdictionary.com/m%C4%ABra/178823/1)
yes, totally.

Äike
11-26-2013, 12:37 AM
yes, totally.

You show as the retarded troll you are, with no professional background in anything you speak about.

The word meri comes from the Kunda culture inhabitants/first post-ice age settlers to this region, they spoke some proto-European language.

This is the list of words we got from them:

eile
haug
higi- sweat
hull
konn- frog
liha- meat
meri- sea
must
mägi- mountain
neem
nisk
nüri
Peipsi
Pärnu
saar- island
selg
siig
sugu
vimb

Hercus Monte
11-26-2013, 12:42 AM
You show as the retarded troll you are, with no professional background in anything you speak about.

The word meri comes from the Kunda culture inhabitants/first post-ice age settlers to this region, they spoke some proto-European language.


with all due respect but I'm using the official etymology dictionary.
the word is still is some dispute, but I doubt Sanskrit got it from the Kunda culture.
http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?tinput=mIra&direction=SE&script=HK&link=yes&beginning=0
http://indo-european.info/dictionary-translator/translate/English/Indo-European/?q=sea
http://etimologija.baltnexus.lt/?w=mar%C4%97s

Äike
11-26-2013, 12:47 AM
with all due respect but I'm using the official etymology dictionary
http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?tinput=mIra&direction=SE&script=HK&link=yes&beginning=0
http://indo-european.info/dictionary-translator/translate/English/Indo-European/?q=sea
http://etimologija.baltnexus.lt/?w=mar%C4%97s

IE, Sanskrit, what?

the word meri in the Estonian language comes from the people belonging to the Kunda culture. That is a linguistic fact.

Hercus Monte
11-26-2013, 12:49 AM
IE, Sanskrit, what?

the word meri in the Estonian language comes from the people belonging to the Kunda culture. That is a linguistic fact.
I'm talking about the indo-european languages, not estonian.

''Mare'' is considered to be an indo-european word.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=mere&allowed_in_frame=0

Äike
11-26-2013, 12:53 AM
I'm talking about the indo-european languages, not estonian.

''Mare'' is considered to be an indo-european word.

Next time, just don't post things you are not sure about. The word for sea, is one of the few words that we got from the ancient Kunda culture people who lived here before us. That is a linguistic fact.

Hercus Monte
11-26-2013, 12:56 AM
Next time, just don't post things you are not sure about. The word for sea, is one of the few words that we got from the ancient Kunda culture people who lived here before us. That is a linguistic fact.
dude, why are you so hotblooded?
learn to read between the lines. I was obviously joking around with Purje Ja.

and who do you think you are to order me around? you're not my mother.

also, according to the estonian etymology the word Meri is a loanword from Proto-germanic.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meri#Etymology

Pure ja
11-26-2013, 07:12 PM
you won't be able to, we use credit cards to track who uses the bicycles http://en.cyclocity.lt/How-does-it-work/Using-the-Bikes


That is a good tip. We won't be using credit cards, then. ;)




And I have a feeling Swedbank and Nordea like us more ;)


And why might that be?
They get most of their profit from Estonia. Those bastards.




Mere is probably a loanword you got from us (Mari), and we got it from Latin. embrace your Indo-European shortcomings.


There is just that slight issue that there are meri / mere toponyms in Estonia that date back to more than 6000 years ago, at least one even 12 000 years ago, before the Billingen event. And those toponyms are related to sea or parts of the sea that used to be sea, but are no more because of post-glacial isostatic rebound.




also, about the Word Aesti, It could easily be deprived from old Lithuanian.

athematic verbs still existed in Old Lithuanian.


May be.
But the explanation sucks: me, myself and mini-me (and who is who?).

EDIT. Sorry, my mistake. Not minime. To be or not to be. Was gone.

Hercus Monte
11-26-2013, 07:23 PM
They get most of their profit from Estonia. Those bastards.

really? I thought that's Denmark or Sweden.



But the explanation sucks: me, myself and mini-me (and who is who?).
if the Aesti had been asked to introduce themselves, they most probably would have said Esti (æsti) <Name(s)>.

Esti is spelled æsti in IPA.

Peikko
11-26-2013, 07:26 PM
Baltic unity, hehe.

Pure ja
11-26-2013, 07:34 PM
Baltic unity, hehe.

Is there a Finnish placename registry on the web somewhere?
Like the Estonian Kohanimeregister?

http://xgis.maaamet.ee/knravalik/

I would like to search for meri / mere toponyms in Finland.

Pure ja
11-26-2013, 07:44 PM
if the Aesti had been asked to introduce themselves, they most probably would have said Esti (æsti) <Name(s)>.

Esti is spelled æsti in IPA.

My previous explanation that ties together Este with Jutland and with Estenmere is nicer (more plausible).

Peikko
11-26-2013, 07:46 PM
Is there a Finnish placename registry on the web somewhere?
Like the Estonian Kohanimeregister?

http://xgis.maaamet.ee/knravalik/

I would like to search for meri / mere toponyms in Finland.

I don't know, I found this http://www.kotus.fi/?l=en&s=3764

noman.rasheed
11-26-2013, 07:51 PM
Lithuania is good.
Once I was getting citizenship in 5000 $, lol.

Pure ja
11-26-2013, 08:34 PM
I don't know, I found this http://www.kotus.fi/?l=en&s=3764

So, 84 cases of *meri* placenames.
http://kansalaisen.karttapaikka.fi/kartanhaku/paikannimihaku.html?query=hae&hakutapa=paikannimihaku&nimi=*meri&kunta=&e=406643&n=7195132&scale=8000000&tool=siirra&styles=normal&lang=fi

And only one case of *mere (Somere, could be related to Estonian Soomere, which is a person's name).

Thanks!
When I have more time I will look into those 84 cases.

Hercus Monte
11-26-2013, 11:48 PM
http://tv.lrytas.lt/?id=13854794341384476166

a little joke about Estonians.

Pure ja
11-27-2013, 08:48 PM
http://tv.lrytas.lt/?id=13854794341384476166

a little joke about Estonians.

To me that sounds more like a joke on finns speaking a mashup of finnish and swedish.
OR maybe lithuanians speaking finnish and fennoswedish.

Hercus Monte
11-27-2013, 09:04 PM
To me that sounds more like a joke on finns speaking a mashup of finnish and swedish.
OR maybe lithuanians speaking finnish and fennoswedish.
It's just a video making fun of Estonians and Lithuanians.

to quote them: 'Estonians and Lithuanians? same shit in different pawns.'

Äike
11-27-2013, 10:22 PM
Baltic unity, hehe.

The only thing we (also Finland) share is our common eastern border with Russia.

Hercus Monte
11-30-2013, 03:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU0_U_ssiGg

And one more modern one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHNSnjRH1R4

that's a very beautiful video. what movie is this?

Dengizik
11-30-2013, 04:04 AM
that's a very beautiful video. what movie is this?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120657/

Hercus Monte
11-30-2013, 07:57 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120657/
haven't seen it, kind of reminds me of this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-8PmbCR1vY

sevruk
11-30-2013, 08:06 AM
http://tv.lrytas.lt/?id=13854794341384476166

a little joke about Estonians.

I see Karl, lol

Dengizik
11-30-2013, 09:33 AM
haven't seen it, kind of reminds me of this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-8PmbCR1vY

Good song, did you upload it?

tiger
11-30-2013, 11:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPbJMe93CY

Hercus Monte
12-01-2013, 06:03 PM
To me that sounds more like a joke on finns speaking a mashup of finnish and swedish.
OR maybe lithuanians speaking finnish and fennoswedish.

well this is lithuanians speaking in actual estonian, in case that helps.

I'm actually curious, do we have a strong accent?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3wuk5DKx1U

Pure ja
12-01-2013, 08:12 PM
well this is lithuanians speaking in actual estonian, in case that helps.

I'm actually curious, do we have a strong accent?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3wuk5DKx1U

There is accent. And there are too many singers and the rhythm and words are difficult so I could discern about 1/3 of the words.

For example "hõi + sake" was pronounced as "hõissake". The trick here is to prolong the 'hõi-' for as long as possible and to not stress 's' as much as possible, although the rhythm demands some stress on 's'.

And 'salve' should be pronounced as two syllables: sal+ve (or even sall+ve). Not saa+lve.
'meile ära' was totally incomprehensible in the lithuanian song. In the estonian version, it is at least understandable as 'meil(e) ära'.

The voices were nice, though.

In the Estonian interpretation I could discern about 90%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFCUC3VjMXo&noredirect=1

Pure ja
12-01-2013, 08:20 PM
haven't seen it, kind of reminds me of this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-8PmbCR1vY

That is nice.

How about this one?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L8JOe8y8tY&noredirect=1

Hercus Monte
01-08-2014, 11:44 PM
That is nice.

How about this one?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L8JOe8y8tY&noredirect=1


nothing particular, but you can check out this channel. (http://www.youtube.com/user/KaukusPameskiet?feature=watch)

talking of curonians... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT47ej37p_k)

lI
01-11-2014, 01:22 AM
talking of curonians... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT47ej37p_k)

That's not a Curonian folk song, it's East Prussian Lietuvininkai' song in West Aukstaitian dialect.

The songs that have a clear Curonian substrate are these from Northern Samogitia - the themes, melody, lyrics and style makes them stand out from the general Samogitian folk music tradition a lot:
Auga kėime dagilelis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blTlm4wNRmw)
Plaukė pylelė (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Act8G6XS7MA)
Šilta šin vasarele (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gbt0OA5Ygo)

Hercus Monte
01-11-2014, 01:23 AM
That's not a Curonian folk song, it's East Prussian Lietuvininkai' song in West Aukstaitian dialect.

The songs that have a clear Curonian substrate are these from Northern Samogitia - the themes, melody, lyrics and style makes them stand out from the general Samogitian folk music tradition a lot:
Auga kėime dagilelis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blTlm4wNRmw)
Plaukė pylelė (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Act8G6XS7MA)
Šilta šin vasarele (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gbt0OA5Ygo)
sorry, accidentally linked the wrong song.

FeederOfRavens
12-02-2014, 07:15 AM
bump

Hithaeglir
12-02-2014, 07:26 AM
Totally neutral.Never visited the country or talked to a Lithuanian.I know 2 or 3 things here and there,but not enough to have a complete opinion.And i haven't heard of any stereotypes either.

Harkonnen
01-13-2015, 06:56 PM
Czereīa

klarji
02-04-2015, 04:53 PM
I have never met a Lithuanian but what I know about them is that they are strong and they can fight for freedom.
I have heard Latvians, Estonians and Lithuanians don't like each others but for us they are similar. We respect you all there.
The president of Lithuania that woman seems to be a woman of dignity.

Satem
10-11-2019, 06:13 PM
I haven't met them enough(actually I don't know any irl), as a Pole I know we share few centuries of history, not only in positive way(I mostly mean Vilnius). They seem to be nice people. They have very good cuisine and they loooove basketball. On the other hand I read some bad news about treating Polish minority in Lithuania. In short I have positive but a bit reserved view.

Mingle
10-11-2019, 06:39 PM
I have heard Latvians, Estonians and Lithuanians don't like each others but for us they are similar. We respect you all there.

I haven't heard this before.They seem to dislike Russians and get along with each other.

MustafaTekin
10-11-2019, 06:41 PM
They love basketball and have (mostly) names ending with -ius.

That's all i know about them.

valentinavalley2
10-11-2019, 06:49 PM
They apparently hate Russians... with a passion, from what I’ve witnessed... we Albanians are different from them, but we have something in common, that’s a common enemy... Russia.


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