Classify 5 Greek Footballers:

[Bloodsport]

Sokratis Papastathopoulos

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2010/324x324/73874.jpg

Charis Mavrias:

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/250013054.jpg

Nikos Karelis:

http://target-sport.gr/demo/images/stories/nikos%20karelis%20amkar.jpg

Giorgos Katidis:

http://www.actusports.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Katidis.jpg

Kostas Fortounis :

http://www.contra.gr/Soccer/Europe/Euro/article1805532.ece/BINARY/w460/fortounis_kostas.jpg

[Trun]

Taurid/Pontid.
Dinaro-Alpinid.
Berid.
Pontid.
North Pontid.

[Gorštak]

Except Fortounis and maybe Mavrias, others are niggars.

[Sikeliot]

1. Pontid-Armenoid (looks almost Turkish or Armenian)
2. Pontid-Alpinid (Balkan look)
3. Berid (looks like an offwhite Puerto Rican)
4. Pontid (reminds me of some Albanians)
5. North Pontid (looks pan-SE European)

[gregorius]

1. Pontid-Armenoid (looks almost Turkish or Armenian)
2. Pontid-Alpinid (Balkan look)
3. Berid (looks like an offwhite Puerto Rican)
4. Pontid (reminds me of some Albanians)
5. North Pontid (looks pan-SE European)

first one doesnt look armenian

[Anthropologique]

Pontid + minor Turanid
Pontid and Alpine
Berid + Arabid
Pontid + SE Med
Pontid

[Queen B]

1. Pontid-Armenoid (looks almost Turkish or Armenian)
2. Pontid-Alpinid (Balkan look)
3. Berid (looks like an offwhite Puerto Rican)
4. Pontid (reminds me of some Albanians)
5. North Pontid (looks pan-SE European)

1 looks just average Greek. I don't see any Armenian or Turkish look in him
http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/attachments/football-manager-2011-players/133144d1297382809-sokratis-papastathopoulos-8d9900a4ed72de575e5fee8b04478587_l.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Sokratis_Papastathopoulos.jpg
http://i.espncdn.com/i/img/Sokratis-Papastathopoulos-1.jpg
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2011/324x324/73874.jpg

And 2 is from Zakynthos.

[jmls]

Karelis does not look Greek.

[Bloodsport]

And 2 is from Zakynthos.

Yes. Papastathopoulos is Peloponnesian, Mavrias is Ionian, Karelis is Cretan, Katidis not sure, and Fortounis is Thessalian.

[Queen B]

Yes. Papastathopoulos is Peloponnesian, Mavrias is Ionian, Karelis is Cretan, Katidis not sure, and Fortounis is Thessalian.
Katidis is Pontic Greek.

[Equilibrium]

Sokratis Papastathopoulos: slightly dinarized Alpino-CM + East-Med

Charis Mavrias: Pontid + slight Alpinoid

Nikos Karelis: da fuq is that?

Giorgos Katidis: slightly dinarized East-Med

Kostas Fortounis: North-Pontid

[Incal]

1 looks just average Greek. I don't see any Armenian or Turkish look in him
http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/attachments/football-manager-2011-players/133144d1297382809-sokratis-papastathopoulos-8d9900a4ed72de575e5fee8b04478587_l.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Sokratis_Papastathopoulos.jpg
http://i.espncdn.com/i/img/Sokratis-Papastathopoulos-1.jpg
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2011/324x324/73874.jpg

And 2 is from Zakynthos.

He is one of those pan-med Greeks IMHO. Dude's could pass for Iberian any day of the week. Turkish or Armenian LMAO.

[Bloodsport]

Couple more pics of Karelis:

http://prasinanea.gr/football/article2362473.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/karelis.jpg
http://img224.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-23790/loc766/759228379_pegasus_LARGE_t_1041_106049430_122_766lo .jpg
http://greenscene.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/greece-nikoskarelis.png

[Sikeliot]

He is one of those pan-med Greeks IMHO. Dude's could pass for Iberian any day of the week. Turkish or Armenian LMAO.

In those pictures yes. Not in the one originally posted.

[Turkophagos]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ruz-25PxbDA/SB9tBYTWjwI/AAAAAAAABe0/ybXe35wAM1w/s1600/karelis.jpg



Weird looking guy. I've never seen such an exotic European outside Spain.

[Bloodsport]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ruz-25PxbDA/SB9tBYTWjwI/AAAAAAAABe0/ybXe35wAM1w/s1600/karelis.jpg



Weird looking guy. I've never seen such an exotic European outside Spain.

East Cretans can look fairly exotic, in my experience. He's still atypical, and it has nothing to do with pigmentation, just his facial structure.

[Queen B]

East Cretans can look fairly exotic, in my experience. He's still atypical, and it has nothing to do with pigmentation, just his facial structure.
Yes, his face structure is very exotic. Amerindian like, plus the tiny eyes :confused:

[Sikeliot]

Yes, his face structure is very exotic. Amerindian like, plus the tiny eyes :confused:

He looks like some of the Puerto Ricans in my area. I don't know what element of Cretans' genes can explain his look.

[Bloodsport]

Yes, his face structure is very exotic. Amerindian like, plus the tiny eyes :confused:

I'd definitely assume he was South American or something if I saw him.

[Bloodsport]

By the way, I actually think Mavrias has the most pan South Europe look of them all. I don't think he'd look out of place in any Southern European country.

[Sikeliot]

By the way, I actually think Mavrias has the most pan South Europe look of them all. I don't think he'd look out of place in any Southern European country.

He looks kind of Balkan specific to me.

[Prince Carlo]

Karelis must be one of those Nordic Cretans that Sikeliot usually posts.

[tEhSaint]

He looks like some of the Puerto Ricans in my area. I don't know what element of Cretans' genes can explain his look.

He looks NA and/or SSA admixed. Also keep in mind that his surname isn't of Cretan origins. Real Cretans surnames got the discrete suffix -akis.

This guy below is a "Cretan" btw with known Egyptian ancestry (a grandfather) , at least 25% non euro (maybe his grandmother is Egyptian too but I cant confirm it right now). Yes, his surname is not Cretan (not -akis suffix) , yet he identifies himself as a Cretan/Greek.

NSFW - At your own risk.

pic removed

[Sikeliot]

Karelis must be one of those Nordic Cretans that Sikeliot usually posts.

Cretans don't look Nordic, but they have Atlantid elements and Atlanto-Med interestingly enough.

[Roy]

Nikos Karelis:

http://target-sport.gr/demo/images/stories/nikos%20karelis%20amkar.jpg





He looks Black admixed to me. Is he fully Greek?


Sokratis Papastathopoulos: Dinaro-Armenoid

Charis Mavrias: Pontid, minor Alpine

Nikos Karelis: ?! Archaic Berid type of Med?

Giorgos Katidis: East Med/Pontid + Dinarid

Kostas Fortounis: North Pontid

[Anthropologique]

East Cretans can look fairly exotic, in my experience. He's still atypical, and it has nothing to do with pigmentation, just his facial structure.

The problem with the exotics that Turko saw in Spain is that they were not native Spaniards - gypsies and indigenous Canarians. LOL!

[Anthropologique]

He looks Black admixed to me. Is he fully Greek?


Sokratis Papastathopoulos: Dinaro-Armenoid

Charis Mavrias: Pontid, minor Alpine

Nikos Karelis: ?! Archaic Berid type of Med?

Giorgos Katidis: East Med/Pontid + Dinarid

Kostas Fortounis: North Pontid

He looks more Egyptian than anything else. Not a native Greek, IMO.

[dralos]

1. Pontid-Armenoid (looks almost Turkish or Armenian)
2. Pontid-Alpinid (Balkan look)
3. Berid (looks like an offwhite Puerto Rican)
4. Pontid (reminds me of some Albanians)
5. North Pontid (looks pan-SE European)
4 looks iranic or something LOL

[Trun]

Karelis looks a bit like Mihail Aleksandrov whom I suspect of having gypsy ancestry.

http://mediadb.kicker.de/2010/fussball/spieler/xl/46902_1291.jpg

But gypsy-looking Greeks is a thing which exists.

[Sikeliot]

4 looks iranic or something LOL

He is Pontic Greek. Maybe that is why.

[Archduke]

All of them can perfectly pass in Bulgaria, except that Karelis guy (he can pass only as a gypsy).


He is Pontic Greek. Maybe that is why.

He looks quite Southern European, nothing Iranic.

[Trun]

All of them can perfectly pass in Bulgaria, except that Karelis guy (he can pass only as a gypsy).

Do you think the footballer I posted is gypsy :D I posted him on AS once and Jizo said he looks Shop.

[Archduke]

Do you think the footballer I posted is gypsy :D I posted him on AS once and Jizo said he looks Shop.

He looks like he is from Lom/Montana if you know what I mean.

I've seen many individuals like him there.

[Trun]

He looks like he is from Lom/Montana if you know what I mean.

I've seen many individuals like him there.

Мелез? :D

He is from Sofia.

[Yuffayur]

1. Pontid with levantine influences (Very common face in Turkey & Levantine countries)
2. Pontid-Alpinid (looks Balkanic)
3. ???
4. ??? (Can pass easily in North africa, southern Italy & Malta)
5. North Pontid (looks Balkanic)

[aherne]

Katidis is Pontic Greek.
Looks like your everyday Turk...

[Archduke]

Looks like your everyday Turk...

You obviously haven't been in a country South of Romania.

[iNird]

Besides the obvious exotic guy, they all have greek vibes. Number 5 could fit as Albanian and number 1 would be a bit much atypical.

[Hadouken]

Nikos Karelis:

http://target-sport.gr/demo/images/stories/nikos%20karelis%20amkar.jpg



no way is this guy (pure) greek

[Hadouken]

You obviously haven't been in a country South of Romania.

katidis does fit in turkey though

[Pecheneg]

Nikos Karelis looks Moroccan

[Archduke]

katidis does fit in turkey though

Nobody said otherwise.

[Turkophagos]

katidis does fit in turkey though


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=636Si-6tBAc


Looks typicaly Greek imo, he's not even one of those exotic pontic Greeks.

[Hadouken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=636Si-6tBAc


Looks typicaly Greek imo, he's not even one of those exotic pontic Greeks.

still fits in turkey :)

[tEhSaint]

Hairstyle approved.

[Anthropologique]

The only atypical one is Karides. I think he's admixed and, therefore, not genetically native to Greece.

[daniboy]

3. Berid (looks like an offwhite Puerto Rican)


true, actually, If I see him here in Latin America, I'd never think he's foreigner.

[daniboy]

I'd definitely assume he was South American or something if I saw him.

he could fit in Mexico without problems...

[Incal]

still fits in turkey :)

With all those Janissary descendants doesn't surprise me really.

[Bloodsport]

I don't think saying 'he fits in Turkey' should detract from his Greekness. Let's remember Western Turkey was heavily Greek influenced until very recently. Same for Northeastern Turkey. I think sometimes it's more a case of Turks looking Greek, than Greeks looking Turkish.

[Incal]

I think sometimes it's more a case of Turks looking Greek, than Greeks looking Turkish.

That's the case. It would be like me saying: That Brit looks American... Duuhhhh yanks are the brits spawn and not the other way you genius!

[Pecheneg]

Keep your mulatto nose out of things you don't know.

[louisk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=636Si-6tBAc


Looks typicaly Greek imo, he's not even one of those exotic pontic Greeks.
So he is a Greek from Albania?

[Incal]

Keep your mulatto nose out of things you don't know.

Seems reason and logic always offend Turks. Not my fault you can't accept your reality.

[PlanA]

Nikos Karelis looks Moroccan

+1

[Sikeliot]

I think sometimes it's more a case of Turks looking Greek, than Greeks looking Turkish.

Yes, I think that is it too.

[PlanA]

Seems reason and logic always offend Turks. Not my fault you can't accept your reality.

Seems no matter how and when; you give your best to get brownie points, as well as you had the urge to reply to his response since you are unhappy with your minor SSA influence.

[Chieftain]

Number 3 is clearly non-european.

Number 1 and 4 are quite doubtful aswell.

[KrashNick]

1. Pontid-Armenoid (looks almost Turkish or Armenian)
2. Pontid-Alpinid (Balkan look)
3. Berid (looks like an offwhite Puerto Rican)
4. Pontid (reminds me of some Albanians)
5. North Pontid (looks pan-SE European)

I never saw Albanians that look like him .

[Hadouken]

That's the case. It would be like me saying: That Brit looks American... Duuhhhh yanks are the brits spawn and not the other way you genius!

you are the true genius arent you

nobody said that greeks are turks or something

i just said that he would fit in turkey

and here in germany a lot of germans would think he is a turk (well they think everybody is a turk though)

that is neither meant to be good nor bad ...it just is how it is

[Incal]

Seems no matter how and when; you give your best to get brownie points, as well as you had the urge to reply to his response since you are unhappy with your minor SSA influence.

If stating facts (something everybody agrees on except the brainwashed Turks what a coincidence right?) is to get brownie points then so be it. And it was the Turk who replied to me, I never address Turks on this forum or any other place. It disgusts me.

[Incal]

you are the true genius arent you

nobody said that greeks are turks or something

i just said that he would fit in turkey

and here in germany a lot of germans would think he is a turk (well they think everybody is a turk though)

that is neither meant to be good nor bad ...it just is how it is

Again I was replying to Bloodsport. The genius was the 'hypothetical' yank who thought brits look LIKE yanks.

[PlanA]

If stating facts (something everybody agrees on except the brainwashed Turks what a coincidence right?) is to get brownie points then so be it. And it was the Turk who replied to me, I never address Turks on this forum or any other place. It disgusts me.

I don't see your opinion as a fact.

And as for addressing Turks, it is one of your passions doing comments about us. This is not the first time you are talking about our phenotype (and no, you are not an expert regarding our look nor you are originating from Turkey; so you got no clue about Turkey & Turkish people & our phenotype), in fact you did more than enough Turk/Turkey related comments in the past.

I must give you the credit that you are very eager to gain brownie points. Congratulations.

[Sikeliot]

Some western Turks might look Greek due to ancient Greek ancestry and the fact that many Turks have recent (past 1000 years) Balkan ancestry, and some Greeks might look Anatolian due to that much of the Greek genome is Anatolian. But there are differences too.

[Bloodsport]

He was responding to me, nobody is saying anything sinister apart form Pecheneg who told him to keep his noise out of things, which is stupid on a public internet forum. No need to get into a pissing war.

[orangepulp]

That's the case. It would be like me saying: That Brit looks American... Duuhhhh yanks are the brits spawn and not the other way you genius!

A tri racial guy telling us who look Turk and who look Greek?

Why do I always see you commenting on issues related to Turks and Muslims when you have nothing to do with either two.
I think you posses some massive inferiority complex for being tri-racial and wish you were white. You attack Turks and Muslims because by doing so you think the Europeans will accept you as one of them and you will be on their good book.
No matter what you do your racial status will always be low in European eyes, so stop trying to kiss ass and have a bit of dignity.

[Incal]

^^ Don't project your issues on me ladies, unlike YOU TWO I live in my own country, I don't have to seek acceptance from whiteys or anybody else because I don't fear they will kick me out of their lands, the lands I'm invading. Second I've lived a whole year in Germany and I grew tired (and disgusted) of watching endless turkish faces cause Germany is infested by you guys, it seems the only chance a Turk got to accomplish something is to move somewhere else so others can take care of your sorry asses and then claim how everything Turk related is the shit. How fucking pathetic.

[tEhSaint]

A tri racial guy telling us who look Turk and who look Greek?

Why do I always see you commenting on issues related to Turks and Muslims when you have nothing to do with either two.
I think you posses some massive inferiority complex for being tri-racial and wish you were white. You attack Turks and Muslims because by doing so you think the Europeans will accept you as one of them and you will be on their good book.
No matter what you do your racial status will always be low in European eyes, so stop trying to kiss ass and have a bit of dignity.


http://i.imgur.com/rkWemNW.jpg?1

[orangepulp]

^^ Don't project your issues on me ladies, unlike YOU TWO I live in my own country, I don't have to seek acceptance from whiteys or anybody else because I don't fear they will kick me out of their lands, the lands I'm invading. Second I've lived a whole year in Germany and I grew tired (and disgusted) of watching endless turkish faces cause Germany is infested by you guys, it seems the only chance a Turk got to accomplish something is to move somewhere else so others can take care of your sorry asses and then claim how everything Turk related is the shit. How fucking pathetic.

Arent you being hypocritical. what the hell are you doing in Europe, why are you infesting other peoples countries? You don't have the right to criticize immigration since you yourself are an immigrant and besides I don't live in European soil. I don't need to be accepted by Europeans nor do I have such a desire.

All your posts are either about Turks, Muslims and asses and whatever you do post about Turks and Muslims has no base. You don't know anything about Turkish culture and Turkish people nor do you know anything about Muslims. You don't even bring about an intellectual or an objective discussion about them. All you do is attack.

[orangepulp]

http://i.imgur.com/rkWemNW.jpg?1

Butt hurt about what?

[PlanA]

^^ Don't project your issues on me ladies, unlike YOU TWO I live in my own country, I don't have to seek acceptance from whiteys or anybody else because I don't fear they will kick me out of their lands, the lands I'm invading. Second I've lived a whole year in Germany and I grew tired (and disgusted) of watching endless turkish faces cause Germany is infested by you guys, it seems the only chance a Turk got to accomplish something is to move somewhere else so others can take care of your sorry asses and then claim how everything Turk related is the shit. How fucking pathetic.

It is very interesting to see how much efford you put into getting involved Turk related subjects you do in order to gain your beloved brownie point. But sadly your late Turk related comments arent as impressive as you had in the past. I think you should get a bit more creative regarding your brownie point winning comments. But for the sake of your effords i still think you should gain some brownie points since you dont give up on gaining your b-points.

[Incal]

Arent you being hypocritical. what the hell are you doing in Europe, why are you infesting other peoples countries? You don't have the right to criticize immigration since you yourself are an immigrant and besides I don't live in European soil. I don't need to be accepted by Europeans nor do I have such a desire.

All your posts are either about Turks, Muslims and asses and whatever you do post about Turks and Muslims has no base. You don't know anything about Turkish culture and Turkish people nor do you know anything about Muslims. You don't even bring about an intellectual or an objective discussion about them. All you do is attack.

How am I an immigrant? I was born and bred in my country as well as my parents did and so their parents. You don't live in European soil but neither in Turkish one. I remember your excuse for not being there was that they didn't respect your religious beliefs, now that the veil ban has been lifted I guess you are coming back? (As a matter of fact, you've never been there)

The % of things I say about turks is the same I say about politics, economy, science, gun control, immigration, drugs, sex, etc... As a matter of fact the thing I talk the most about is sex.

And I know more about Turks and Muslims than a Turk or Muslim do about anything not related to Turkey and Islam. Anyone who's not a Turk seems to agree with me.

[Incal]

It is very interesting to see how much efford you put into getting involved Turk related subjects you do in order to gain your beloved brownie point. But sadly your late Turk related comments arent as impressive as you had in the past. I think you should get a bit more creative regarding your brownie point winning comments. But for the sake of your effords i still think you should gain some brownie points since you dont give up on gaining your b-points.

If that were true I would cry anytime somebody says Latin Americans are scum, or mongrels or should be deported, which I don't. I don't really give a fuck. While Turks do (you being a prime example). Why is that? Isn't that some sort of way to look for acceptance? If you really didn't care you wouldn't be torturing me with your posts.

[Pecheneg]

Self hating mulatto please, dont make me come over there and enslave you

[orangepulp]

How am I an immigrant? I was born and bred in my country as well as my parents did and so their parents. You don't live in European soil but neither in Turkish one. I remember your excuse for not being there was that they didn't respect your religious beliefs, now that the veil ban has been lifted I guess you are coming back? (As a matter of fact, you've never been there)

The % of things I say about turks is the same I say about politics, economy, science, gun control, immigration, drugs, sex, etc... As a matter of fact the thing I talk the most about is sex.

And I know more about Turks and Muslims than a Turk or Muslim do about anything not related to Turkey and Islam. Anyone who's not a Turk seems to agree with me.

You just said you were in Germany for a year.

If I am an immigrant, I'm an immigrant in Muslim land. Arabs come to Turkey, we go to Arab land. Its not the same as living in Europe. I always visit Turkey, I go there twice a year and yes since there is reform I am planning to relocate.

I don't care about your other discussions to be frank but you always post negatively about Turks and Muslims. This is just too much.

[Incal]

Self hating mulatto please, dont make me come over there and enslave you

OK you Greek-looking Turk. Are you happy now?

[PlanA]

OK you Greek-looking Turk. Are you happy now?

We are happy for you whenever you gain your brownie points since you seem to be in need.

[tEhSaint]

Butt hurt about what?

I think it's rather obvious;


I don't think saying 'he fits in Turkey' should detract from his Greekness. Let's remember Western Turkey was heavily Greek influenced until very recently. Same for Northeastern Turkey. I think sometimes it's more a case of Turks looking Greek, than Greeks looking Turkish.


That's the case. It would be like me saying: That Brit looks American... Duuhhhh yanks are the brits spawn and not the other way you genius!


Yes, I think that is it too.

http://i42.tinypic.com/cndqv.png

:lol00002: :laugh:

[Prince Carlo]

People are overestimating Turkish swartyness. Seriously Turks are pretty much like the Armenians and the Georgians when it comes to pigmentation.

[tEhSaint]

People are overestimating Turkish swartyness. Seriously Turks are pretty much like the Armenians and the Georgians when it comes to pigmentation.

Not really.

[Prince Carlo]

Not really.

Explain yourself.

[tEhSaint]

Explain yourself.

I have been in Turkey before (Mediterranean Coast). Most of them looked short, dark and with weird characteristics. Not like Pakistani people, few shades lighter and with different facial characteristics.Especially the working class is really dark. They are trying to sell you "good quality fakes" , "nice furs" (in the middle of the summer) and other stuff.

[orangepulp]

I think it's rather obvious;







http://i42.tinypic.com/cndqv.png

:lol00002: :laugh:
Nothing butt hurt about this. Turks are mostly West Asians, Greeks carry an estimate 40% non European genes if we look at dodecad k12b calculator while Turks are West Asian with some Turkic ( percentage varies from region to region). Greeks have Anatolian influence hence why some Greeks don't look like the average white skinned blue eyed Nordic Euro. Anatolian Turks that don't know of Balkan ancestry don't show very heavy European admix so its unlikely that Turks look like Greeks but some Greeks look like present day Anatolian inhabitants.

[Sikeliot]

Most Greeks are lighter than most Turks and more European. I don't believe that most Greeks cannot be identified as European.. most of them can.

[orangepulp]

I have been in Turkey before (Mediterranean Coast). Most of them looked short, dark and with weird characteristics. Not like Pakistani people, few shades lighter and with different facial characteristics.Especially the working class is really dark. They are trying to sell you "good quality fakes" , "nice furs" (in the middle of the summer) and other stuff.
Did they resemble these Armenians?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/996877_604998069540512_1976938280_n.jpg


And this Greek

http://www.name-list.net/img/images.php/Mavroleon_1.jpg

[orangepulp]

Most Greeks are lighter than most Turks and more European. I don't believe that most Greeks cannot be identified as European.. most of them can.

And no one says they can't identify as Europeans but I'm just pointing out the genetic reality.

[Sikeliot]

And no one says they can't identify as Europeans but I'm just pointing out the genetic reality.

Greeks aren't even that much more non-European than Albanians, and the ones who are (Pontic Greeks, Cypriots, etc.) are simply Hellenized people and not "real" Greeks by genes.

[gregorius]

Did they resemble these Armenians?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/996877_604998069540512_1976938280_n.jpg


And this Greek

http://www.name-list.net/img/images.php/Mavroleon_1.jpg
Wtf is your problem? Why are u using armenians to prove some silly point?

[Kastrioti1443]

Greeks aren't even that much more non-European than Albanians, and the ones who are (Pontic Greeks, Cypriots, etc.) are simply Hellenized people and not "real" Greeks by genes.

Y DNA shown nothing about '' european blood'' my short friend.

[orangepulp]

Wtf is your problem? Why are u using armenians to prove some silly point?

Why you offended?
I was showing tHeSaint here how Anatolian inhabitants look in general. To be frank I don't think Turks and Armenians look very different physically. I can show you similar pics of Turks who look like that, point is there is phenotypical overlap between Turks and Armenians but tHeSaint obviously does not know how all ethinc groups of Anatolia look like. What did he expect, Anatolians to be blue eyed tall nordics?

[dralos]

Greeks aren't even that much more non-European than Albanians, and the ones who are (Pontic Greeks, Cypriots, etc.) are simply Hellenized people and not "real" Greeks by genes.
albanians look very different from greeks,you have some bad perception of albanians,i mean i'm very different than most greeks and i'm typical albanian

[gregorius]

Why you offended?
I was showing tHeSaint here how Anatolian inhabitants look in general. To be frank I don't think Turks and Armenians look very different physically. I can show you similar pics of Turks who look like that, point is there is phenotypical overlap between Turks and Armenians but tHeSaint obviously does not know how all ethinc groups of Anatolia look like. What did he expect, Anatolians to be blue eyed tall nordics?

Im not offended but i dont get why armenians are drawn into this when we dont ave anything to do with it really, meh nevermind do as you pleased. I wont respond anymore

[orangepulp]

Greeks aren't even that much more non-European than Albanians, and the ones who are (Pontic Greeks, Cypriots, etc.) are simply Hellenized people and not "real" Greeks by genes.
Yes, there are current Greeks that are a result of Helanization just like some Turks are a result of Turkification.
But just like how the Turkified Turks are as ordinary Turks to us, Helanized Greeks are just as ordinary Greeks to other fellow Greeks.

[tEhSaint]

Nothing butt hurt about this. Turks are mostly West Asians, Greeks carry an estimate 40% non European genes if we look at dodecad k12b calculator while Turks are West Asian with some Turkic ( percentage varies from region to region). Greeks have Anatolian influence hence why some Greeks don't look like the average white skinned blue eyed Nordic Euro. Anatolian Turks that don't know of Balkan ancestry don't show very heavy European admix so its unlikely that Turks look like Greeks but some Greeks look like present day Anatolian inhabitants.

If you have a well citied scientific paper with references from acknowledged scientists of the corresponding field, then we might have a talk about this issue. BUT giving me random shit from hobbyist's related projects without any scientific proof , I am sorry but I cant accept it. This is toilet / newspaper material to spend your free time.

[tEhSaint]

Did they resemble these Armenians?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a......996877_604998069540512_1976938280_n.jpg


And this Greek

http://www.name-list........php/Mavroleon_1.jpg

No and yes. In this exact particular order. :)

[Sikeliot]

Whether Hellenized Greeks are counted as Greek nowadays or not, Greeks started out European at least.

[tEhSaint]

And this Greek

http://www.name-....php/Mavroleon_1.jpg

BTW , it seems that you like to cherry-pick atypical Greeks. But the fact is that Greeks like him are a vast minority of the total population of Greeks, probably they are random leftover genes from the ottoman era - that luckily - these genes are being diluted. On the other hand, the majority of Turks look like Asiatic/EastMed/Arabic blends, which is the definition of a melting pot of the surrounding populations.

[tEhSaint]

Whether Hellenized Greeks are counted as Greek nowadays or not, Greeks started out European at least.

What? Bother to explaining this?

[Sikeliot]

What? Bother to explaining this?

Cypriots and Pontians, who together are probably 75% of swarthy/"exotic" Greeks. Islanders are not far off from Cypriots genetically either.

[tEhSaint]

Cypriots and Pontians, who together are probably 75% of swarthy/"exotic" Greeks. Islanders are not far off from Cypriots genetically either.

Excuse me, but they aren't Greeks. I have yet to see an islander with over 10% EastMed admixture (I am talking about 23&me ofc). Whilst most Cypriots score 35%+ . I believe the average GREEEK islander scores less than 6% on EastMed admix, which is noise levels especially taking into consideration the geography.

[orangepulp]

If you have a well citied scientific paper with references from acknowledged scientists of the corresponding field, then we might have a talk about this issue. BUT giving me random shit from hobbyist's related projects without any scientific proof , I am sorry but I cant accept it. This is toilet / newspaper material to spend your free time.
Everyone cites Dienekes' and Polakos work. It is science, you are just in denial of your West Asian ancestry.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101215/full/468880a.html

[Sikeliot]

Excuse me, but they aren't Greeks. I have yet to see an islander with over 10% EastMed admixture (I am talking about 23&me ofc). Whilst most Cypriots score 35%+ . I believe the average GREEEK islander scores less than 6% on EastMed admix.

Do you have Greek islander results? All of the ones I see are basically identical to what Sicilians score.

Cypriots, of course, are more Levantine than Greek.

[orangepulp]

BTW , it seems that you like to cherry-pick atypical Greeks. But the fact is that Greeks like him are a vast minority of the total population of Greeks, probably they are random leftover genes from the ottoman era - that luckily - these genes are being diluted. On the other hand, the majority of Turks look like Asiatic/EastMed/Arabic blends, which is the definition of a melting pot of the surrounding populations.

You know many Southern Europeans actually carry more southwest Asian genes than Turks. The average Turk is not any more Arab than a Greek. Anyhow, point is there are Greeks who are swarthy and look more West Asian in appearance, it could be an influence of Ottoman mingling but point is these people identify as Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

You know many Southern Europeans actually carry more southwest Asian genes than Turks. The average Turk is not any more Arab than a Greek. Anyhow, point is there are Greeks who are swarthy and look more West Asian in appearance, it could be an influence of Ottoman mingling but point is these people identify as Greeks.

I go by genetics and this is what they tell me.. in terms of most to least West Asian as far as different populations we are familiar with go;

Cypriots, Turks > Greek islanders, Sicilians > Southern Italians > Mainland Greeks, central Italians > Albanians > North Italians.

Therefore Greeks shouldn't look, according to genetics, any more woggy than a central Italian and not much more than an Albanian.

[tEhSaint]

Everyone cites Dienekes' and Polakos work. It is science, you are just in denial of your West Asian ancestry.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101215/full/468880a.html

LOL? What did you just post? Some news from Nature? This is on news section on Nature. Not on scientific papers from Nature.

Nature is the most respectable scientific magazine on natural sciences and more (if you didn't know that already). They would never, ever cite a shit like this, and as you see they put this article on news section, because it doesn't contain anything scientific, just some infos about the hobbyists.

To get a real scientific paper/work from nature , you need an academic license or a the funds to buy it.

Try harder, don't try to cheat people here. And no, it's not me who is ashamed of his West Asian Admixture. lmfao :laugh:

[orangepulp]

I go by genetics and this is what they tell me.. in terms of most to least West Asian as far as different populations we are familiar with go;

Cypriots, Turks > Greek islanders, Sicilians > Southern Italians > Mainland Greeks, central Italians > Albanians > North Italians.

Therefore Greeks shouldn't look, according to genetics, any more woggy than a central Italian and not much more than an Albanian.
West Asian yes but I was talking about Southwest Asian admixture.

[tEhSaint]

You know many Southern Europeans actually carry more southwest Asian genes than Turks. The average Turk is not any more Arab than a Greek. Anyhow, point is there are Greeks who are swarthy and look more West Asian in appearance, it could be an influence of Ottoman mingling but point is these people identify as Greeks.

Makes absolutely none sense, especially taking into consideration the geography of the area. But since you said "many" , I will take it as "some", and give it a rational explanation --> Left over ottoman genes.

[Equilibrium]

BTW , it seems that you like to cherry-pick atypical Greeks. But the fact is that Greeks like him are a vast minority of the total population of Greeks, probably they are random leftover genes from the ottoman era - that luckily - these genes are being diluted. On the other hand, the majority of Turks look like Asiatic/EastMed/Arabic blends, which is the definition of a melting pot of the surrounding populations.

What a moronic response, denying the validity of admixture calculators which are based on application of the scientific method (they are also all based on the software ADMIXTURE of
UCLA (http://www.genetics.ucla.edu/software/admixture/publications.html) and samples collected from genetic studies with peer reviewed papers like of Behar et al.) and then responding with pseudo-scientific taxonomy terms like Asiatic/EastMed/Arabic. Shows who is really butthurt here. :picard1:

[Sikeliot]

West Asian yes but I was talking about Southwest Asian admixture.

Oh. In that case it goes like this at least according to Dodecad;

Cypriots > Sicilians > South Italians > Turks > Island Greeks > Mainland Greeks > Central Italians > North Italians.

[orangepulp]

LOL? What did you just post? Some news from Nature? This is on news section on Nature. Not on scientific papers from Nature.

Nature is the most respectable scientific magazine on natural sciences and more (if you didn't know that already). They would never, ever cite a shit like this, and as you see they put this article on news section, because it doesn't contain anything scientific, just some infos about the hobbyists.

To get a real scientific paper/work from nature , you need an academic license or a the funds to buy it.

Try harder, don't try to cheat people here. And no, it's not me who is ashamed of his West Asian Admixture. lmfao :laugh:You're not worth debating. I can with confidence say that 98% of the forum users approve of Polakos and Dieneks' work and consider it as scientific and legit. Some time ago DNA tribes e-mailed Polako for Raw data samples, 23andme admins even use their calculators for personal use. You don't know anything about genetics and how they make these calculators.

[Sikeliot]

I don't doubt the validity of Eurogenes and Dodecad. I just don't think that the majority of Greeks look West Asian. Obviously the number is higher in the Aegean islands, but I think as a group you could tell the difference most of the time.

[tEhSaint]

What a moronic response, denying the validity of admixture calculators which are based on application of the scientific method (they are also all based on the software ADMIXTURE of
UCLA (http://www.genetics.ucla.edu/software/admixture/publications.html) and samples collected from genetic studies with peer reviewed papers like of Behar et al.) and then responding with pseudo-scientific taxonomy terms like Asiatic/EastMed/Arabic. Shows who is really butthurt here. :picard1:

Why are you Turks are so butthurt ? Truth hurts, I suppose.

Most of these bloggers are proud of their own methods and not for using UCLA's calculator for example. Where is that paper that cites Polako's or Dieneke's work? Show it to me.

Taxonomy is indeed a psedo-"something" , but at least I know it, and I don't pretend that I do science this way.

[tEhSaint]

You're not worth debating. I can with confidence say that 98% of the forum users approve of Polakos and Dieneks' work and consider it as scientific and legit.

You are backing off, because you simply lack of arguments. Just stay here and face the facts. 98% of the forum are not scientists, they are random people and they eat what they served from every web retard.


Some time ago DNA tribes e-mailed Polako for Raw data samples, 23andme admins even use their calculators for personal use.

My mother told me, that her mother hold her that her neighbor told her that you are pregnant.



You don't know anything about genetics and how they make these calculators

In fact as a computer engineer with some minor knowledge on Bioinformatics, I know how these calculators are made.

[Trun]

The average Turk is not any more Arab than a Greek.

Do you want me to show some Turks in Bulgarian nightclubs and then some Greeks? LOL Turks here seem to be living in their own kebab world.

[Equilibrium]

Why are you Turks are so butthurt ? Truth hurts, I suppose.

Most of these bloggers are proud of their own methods and not for using UCLA's calculator for example. Where is that paper that cites Polako's or Dieneke's work? Show it to me.

Taxonomy is indeed a psedo-"something" , but at least I know it, and I don't pretend that I do science this way.

Which truth again? Don't make suppositions, cite some scientific papers. ;)

All there work is based on tools and methods taken from university institutions and scientific papers. Most of their population data is also from studies. That's why all of them come up with basically the same admixture components. What do you want with a paper when you don't understand the subject at all? Otherwise you wouldn't demand a paper, because you would understand the method that those bloggers use.

You pretend your 'psedo-"something"' has any relevance at all and have at the same time the boldness to demand scientific papers for genetic calculator results. Where are the papers for your taxonomy claims of Turkey again?

[tEhSaint]

Which truth again? Don't make suppositions, cite some scientific papers. ;)

All there work is based on tools and methods taken from university institutions and scientific papers. Most of their population data is also from studies. That's why all of them come up with basically the same admixture components. What do you want with a paper when you don't understand the subject at all? Otherwise you wouldn't demand a paper, because you would understand the method that those bloggers use.



Bring me their recognized/published papers, else remain in silence.




You pretend your 'psedo-"something"' has any relevance at all and have at the same time the boldness to demand scientific papers for genetic calculator results. Where are the papers for your taxonomy claims of Turkey again

It hasn't any relevance with genetics, AT ALL. It's just observations according to my PoV.

[Behrouz]

If you have a well citied scientific paper with references from acknowledged scientists of the corresponding field, then we might have a talk about this issue. BUT giving me random shit from hobbyist's related projects without any scientific proof, I am sorry but I cant accept it. This is toilet / newspaper material to spend your free time.

Do you seriously think that you don't have any west or southwest asian admixture?

[Behrouz]

Nikos Karelis:

http://target-sport.gr/demo/images/stories/nikos%20karelis%20amkar.jpg


This one can't even pass in West Asian countries lol.

[Kastrioti1443]

This one can't even pass in West Asian countries lol.

he can pass in all middle east

[tEhSaint]

Do you seriously think that you don't have any west or southwest asian admixture?

Do you seriously think that you don't have any Northern European or Eastern European admixture ?

[Hadouken]

This one can't even pass in West Asian countries lol.

agree

north africa maybe but in westasia only as atypical

[Bloodsport]

People are overestimating Turkish swartyness. Seriously Turks are pretty much like the Armenians and the Georgians when it comes to pigmentation.

It has nothing to do with pigmentation and everything to do with facial structure. Turkic peoples are not European. Western Turkish people may look European because they're either converted Greeks/partially of Greek ancestry. Listen a Turkish friend of mine was in denial about this until he traced his history to having Greek Great Grandparents. Of course I could be pulling that out of my ass, but a lot of Turks from the Istanbul, Bursa and Izmir regions will find in their not so far past a Greek.

I mean Kemal Ataturk's pigmentation was light, but anybody on Earth who says he has European or even Middle-Eastern facial features are off their nut...

[Behrouz]

Do you seriously think that you don't have any Northern European or Eastern European admixture ?

West asian and southwest asian admixture make up roughly 1/2 of the Greek genome. Deal with it.

[tEhSaint]

West asian and southwest asian admixture make up roughly 1/2 of the Greek genome. Deal with it.

I am dealing with it.

[Behrouz]

I am dealing with it.

Then why do you go apeshit over a well-known fact?

[tEhSaint]

Then why do you go apeshit over a well-known fact?

Nigga please. I told you, bring me evidence and then we'll talk again. In the meanwhile i'll continue dealing with it.

[Behrouz]

Nigga please. I told you, bring me evidence and then we'll talk again. In the meanwhile i'll continue dealing with it.

Your own reflection in the mirror is an evidence. As for your reaction; it is meaningless and makes you sound like a dog barking idiotically through endless nights.

[tEhSaint]

Your own reflection in the mirror is an evidence. Your reaction is meaningless and makes you sound like a dog barking idiotically through endless nights.


West asian and southwest asian admixture make up roughly 1/2 of the Greek genome. Deal with it.

Quoted again.

Well, not much to say here. You are just an idiot who probably got trouble fitting into Europe and you projecting your own problems and self insecurities to me or Greeks. Eh , fuck you.

[Behrouz]

Well, not much to say here. You are just an idiot who probably got trouble fitting into Europe and you projecting your own problems and self insecurities to me or Greeks.

I can pass in all neighboring countries of my homeland. You greeks on the other hand couldn't even pass in Bulgaria as a group, let alone Europe as a whole.





Eh , fuck you.

Fuck the 16 generations of your pederast ancestors.

[Bloodsport]

Behrouz you really just went full on bullsh**

[tEhSaint]

I can pass in all neighboring countries of my homeland. You greeks on the other hand couldn't even pass in Bulgaria as a group, let alone Europe as a whole.


Deal with it then. Luckily, I cant pass in Pakistan.



Fuck the 16 generations of your pederast ancestors.

Yes, those pederasts who raped your women and children, during the ages of Great Alexander. Those rapes that started from Anatolia and continued all the way to Persian lands that are responsible for the minor non-European noise "admixture" that hobbyist junk calculators pick up, whilst serious calculators like 23&me ignores.

Also, we are proud that we have and maintain a distinct look and we aren't a fucking gene mixer like you are.

[Sikeliot]

I can pass in all neighboring countries of my homeland. You greeks on the other hand couldn't even pass in Bulgaria as a group, let alone Europe as a whole.

They also don't pass in West Asia as a group either. At the Greek festival in my town, only maybe one person out of 10 looked "West Asian" and the rest just looked like southern Italians or other Balkan groups.

[Hadouken]

the swarthiness of greeks are underestimated by some but overestimated by most

pigmentation wise greeks are darker than central euros but lighter than westasians (on general)

[Sikeliot]

the swarthiness of greeks are underestimated by some but overestimated by most

pigmentation wise greeks are darker than central euros but lighter than westasians (on general)

Greek islanders are on par with Sicilians, mainland Greeks are lighter and less swarthy. So when I say Greeks are not swarthy it's because most of my family is more swarthy than a typical Greek.

[Bloodsport]

Refer to my post earlier, pigmentation means nothing. In Southern Greece/Islands where it's 35-40 degrees + for months and months straight, people tend to get quite dark. Are we going to say they don't look European because they've gotten a strong tan, and then put them in Sweden for a year and now decide they're European because they've lost their tan? Olive skin tones (even light Olive) absorb heat and tan.

I maintain the facial features on even the darkest Greeks will 90% of the time be completely typical to Southern Europe.

[Hadouken]

Greek islanders are on par with Sicilians, mainland Greeks are lighter and less swarthy. So when I say Greeks are not swarthy it's because most of my family is more swarthy than a typical Greek.

well i think there are also swarthy mainland greeks but like i said ....most people claim greeks to be darker and woggier than they are and there are mainly 2 kind of people who love to do that

1. nordicists who think only albinos are europeans (and white)
2. menas who are insecure and want to be in the same category with southern euros

[Bloodsport]

A lot of swarthy mainlanders probably have origins in the Islands. Most modern/young islanders live and work in the mainland and go back to the islands for holidays. Exceptions being large islands like Crete, Euboea and Rhodes which have good facilities/cities etc.

[Hadouken]

A lot of swarthy mainlanders probably have origins in the Islands. Most modern/young islanders live and work in the mainland and go back to the islands for holidays. Exceptions being large islands like Crete, Euboea and Rhodes which have good facilities/cities etc.

one should not always assume such things

i have met "a lot of" swarthy europeans in my life mostly italians greeks serbs and albanians(not gypsies afaik) ...well the serbs were not that dark but darker than i would have imagined them to be

but saying that they are "arabs" that they are all dark and blablabla is just silly

[Bloodsport]

I'm just saying from experience. Actually you can usually tell someone's origin by their last name. 'Akis' is Cretan/Aegean, 'Idis' tends to be Pontian, 'Akos' tends to be Maniot, 'Ou' tends to be Cypriot...etc.


one should not always assume such things

i have met "a lot of" swarthy europeans in my life mostly italians greeks serbs and albanians(not gypsies afaik) ...well the serbs were not that dark but darker than i would have imagined them to be

but saying that they are "arabs" that they are all dark and blablabla is just silly

[Hadouken]

I'm just saying from experience. Actually you can usually tell someone's origin by their last name. 'Akis' is Cretan/Aegean, 'Idis' tends to be Pontian, 'Akos' tends to be Maniot, 'Ou' tends to be Cypriot...etc.

i know someone (and his brother) with "idis" at the end of their last name :D

are they always pontus greeks ?

[Bloodsport]

i know someone (and his brother) with "idis" at the end of their last name :D

are they always pontus greeks ?

It's been a very long standing tradition for 'Idis' to be used in the Pontus region. I have a great grandfather who's last name ended in 'Idis' so I've always assumed I must have some roots there.

[Behrouz]

Yes, those pederasts who raped your women and children, during the ages of Great Alexander. Those rapes that started from Anatolia and continued all the way to Persian lands

Alexander, the king of Macedon, has nothing to do with modern Greece. Oh and speaking of rapes Greek peninsula was sodomized by Persian warriors, twice. And that was only the beginning. The peninsula faced devastating rapes by numerous invader nations. Greece was officially the butthole of European continent.





that are responsible for the minor non-European noise "admixture" that hobbyist junk calculators pick up, whilst serious calculators like 23&me ignores.

I think your brain is full of camel shit if you really think Greeks -whose genome is dominated by east med/west asian and southwest asian components- are responsible for European admixture in Iran. You are a disgrace to the modern genetic science.




Also, we are proud that we have and maintain a distinct look and we aren't a fucking gene mixer like you are.

We are like an isolated Arctic tribe compared to your fake nation which is consisted of assimilated orthodox Albanians, Pontians(genetically hardcore west asians), orthodox Anatolians, Levantine looking Cypriots, Hellenized Slavs and many others.

[Bloodsport]

Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence...shoot.

[Sikeliot]

I'm just saying from experience. Actually you can usually tell someone's origin by their last name. 'Akis' is Cretan/Aegean, 'Idis' tends to be Pontian, 'Akos' tends to be Maniot, 'Ou' tends to be Cypriot...etc.

There are southern Italian surnames ending in Italianized versions of some of these endings. We have -aci, -ace, -idi, etc. Like Gregoraci, Faraci, Maniaci, Surace, Scaffidi, etc.

[Bloodsport]

There are southern Italian surnames ending in Italianized versions of some of these endings. We have -aci, -ace, -idi, etc. Like Gregoraci, Faraci, Maniaci, Surace, Scaffidi, etc.

I mention a few but there's more, 'Atos' has Venetian connections to when Corfu, Athens (very briefly), Crete and Cyprus were under Venetian rule. 'As' is typically Northern Greek (like Samaras for example). It's very interesting.

[Sikeliot]

I mention a few but there's more, 'Atos' has Venetian connections to when Corfu, Athens (very briefly), Crete and Cyprus were under Venetian rule. 'As' is typically Northern Greek (like Samaras for example). It's very interesting.

-atos exists in Greek from the Venetian suffix -ato. Think of Demi Lovato, she is part Venetian.

[Trun]

West asian and southwest asian admixture make up roughly 1/2 of the Greek genome. Deal with it.

LOL, according to? Your own study?


I can pass in all neighboring countries of my homeland. You greeks on the other hand couldn't even pass in Bulgaria as a group, let alone Europe as a whole.

They can't pass in Bulgaria because they have their own Greek look, not because they don't look European.


pigmentation wise greeks are darker than central euros but lighter than westasians (on general)

Well done, Captain Obvious.


People are overestimating Turkish swartyness. Seriously Turks are pretty much like the Armenians and the Georgians when it comes to pigmentation.

Armenians yes, Georgians no.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Sokratis- Dinaro-Atlantic
Charis- Dinaro-Alpine+Atlantic/Atlanto med
Giorgos-Atlanto-Med
Kostas- Dinaro-Atlantic

[Queen B]

-atos exists in Greek from the Venetian suffix -ato. Think of Demi Lovato, she is part Venetian.
-atos is from Cefallonia (Ionian).

[tEhSaint]

Alexander, the king of Macedon, has nothing to do with modern Greece. Oh and speaking of rapes Greek peninsula was sodomized by Persian warriors, twice. And that was only the beginning. The peninsula faced devastating rapes by numerous invader nations. Greece was officially the butthole of European continent.

What? Who said that? Polako or Dienekes? On sorry, must be Eurogenes then :laugh:

It's widely known and historically proved, that Persians were pretty much a failed nation, full of backstabbers, failed warriors, who couldn't even do their women. Alexander the Great was one example of Greek superiority. I'd suggest you to read Anabasis (from Xenophon) for additional info.

The magnitude of the Persian failure is evident especially taking into consideration the number of Persian warriors versus Greek warriors, and all you managed is to flee.

The Battle of Marathon is another Great Example;

The Battle of Marathon was a watershed in the Greco-Persian wars, showing the Greeks that the Persians could be beaten. It also highlighted the superiority of the more heavily armoured Greek hoplites, and showed their potential when used wisely.[82] The Battle of Marathon is perhaps now more famous as the inspiration for the Marathon race.

Do you also understand that historically you haven't offered anything for the humankind? Persians (like Turks) are referred all the time as an example to avoid. That's why you guys are so butthurt about everything.



I think your brain is full of camel shit if you really think Greeks -whose genome is dominated by east med/west asian and southwest asian components- are responsible for European admixture in Iran. You are a disgrace to the modern genetic science.

It's not my brain that is full of camel shit but probably yours, you are the sandnigger after all.

Dominated? Bring me evidence. As I said, prestigious companies with scientific work on this related field disagrees with you. You are basically the typical internet moron who brain farts all the time without evidence, quoting some random hobbyists because you think it's cool. After all it is widely known that European admixture in Iran came from Sweden , you know from Viking hordes. You sir are a pathetic little bigot, probably with Nordicistic tendencies, the typical brown self-hater piece of shit from Iran (that would never ever fit in any western country). I believe that you are a closeted gay as well.



We are like an isolated Arctic tribe compared to your fake nation which is consisted of assimilated orthodox Albanians, Pontians(genetically hardcore west asians), orthodox Anatolians, Levantine looking Cypriots, Hellenized Slavs and many others.

Now you change it? Didn't you say earlier that you can pass everywhere in sandnigger lands? Isolated tribes cant pass from Iran to India. You said earlier that Greeks cant pass out of Greece, and now you claim that we are heavily admixed with the surrounding populations. This is called contradiction. Make up your sandnigger mind already. You sound really confused, my brown son.

[Hadouken]

Well done, Captain Obvious.


it is not as obvious as one would assume

otherwise there wouldnt be so much bullshit talk

[louisk]

There are southern Italian surnames ending in Italianized versions of some of these endings. We have -aci, -ace, -idi, etc. Like Gregoraci, Faraci, Maniaci, Surace, Scaffidi, etc.

How about Versace is that of Greek origin maybe?

[Behrouz]

What? Who said that? Polako or Dienekes? On sorry, must be Eurogenes then :laugh:

Living in denial or ignoring genetic studies that bother you is no longer a solution for a nordicist piece of shit like you because sooner or later you will face the truth. Even if you keep ignoring the modern genetic science, your own reflection in the mirror will always be a reminder that you have nothing in common with Northern Europeans you envy. How sad.




It's widely known and historically proved, that Persians were pretty much a failed nation, full of backstabbers, failed warriors, who couldn't even do their women. Alexander the Great was one example of Greek superiority. I'd suggest you to read Anabasis (from Xenophon) for additional info.

The magnitude of the Persian failure is evident especially taking into consideration the number of Persian warriors versus Greek warriors, and all you managed is to flee.

Your knowledge of history must be based on craps like "300". Anti-Persian western-washed Hollywod crap based on mythical Greek garbage tales of ancient charlatans. They mix up the shitty computer effects and animations to make the crap more appetizing for the anti-social ignorant faggots like you who love living in a dream world. I bet my money you can't orgasm without watching the scene where each greek muscle warrior kills hundreds of savage Persians(!) before he dies bravely in battle.

The reality is; we raped your little, pussy-shaped peninsula twice. Persian cataphracts, immortals and mounted-archers were real warriors compared to your spear-carrying homosexual soldiers who had no idea what a horse was.





Do you also understand that historically you haven't offered anything for the humankind? Persians (like Turks) are referred all the time as an example to avoid. That's why you guys are so butthurt about everything.

The only thing you gave to humanity is pederasty and homosexuality.





It's not my brain that is full of camel shit but probably yours, you are the sandnigger after all.

I'm as sandnigger as you since there is no difference between Greeks and Persians when it comes to southwest-asian admixture. What makes us darker is west-central asian and minor south asian admixture, i have no problem with this, infact i'm proud of it and i don't live in denial unlike you delusional self-hating wog.





You are basically the typical After all it is widely known that European admixture in Iran came from Sweden , you know from Viking hordes.

Viking hordes? It was Indo-Iranian tribes you ignorant child molester.




You sir are a pathetic little bigot, probably with Nordicistic tendencies, the typical brown self-hater piece of shit from Iran (that would never ever fit in any western country). I believe that you are a closeted gay as well.

Look who calls me self-hater? A nordicist pederast with afro hair who believes he doesn't have any west asian, sw asian or med admixture. Suck red devilcock in hell, piece of shit. I hope a camel rapes you a hundred times.





Now you change it? Didn't you say earlier that you can pass everywhere in sandnigger lands? Isolated tribes cant pass from Iran to India. You said earlier that Greeks cant pass out of Greece, and now you claim that we are heavily admixed with the surrounding populations. This is called contradiction. Make up your sandnigger mind already. You sound really confused, my brown son.

What i'm saying is you are far from being an unmixed population, you brainless dog. And yes, even though you are a mix of many populations, you can't pass in european countries, especially as a group.

[Sikeliot]

How about Versace is that of Greek origin maybe?

Anything ending in -aci or -ace in some way is derived from SOME Greek surname ending in -akis whether it has been shortened or spelled differently since the region has been Latinized.

I.e. the Cretan Greek surname Syrakis is now "Surace". Maniakis is now "Maniaci" etc.

[Behrouz]

LOL, according to? Your own study?




What do you know about genetics, cigani?

[tEhSaint]

To begin with, I notice that you start with ad hominem insults. Probably your Persian mediocre education doesn't allow you anything better. You lack of arguments, you go ad hominem, so I have to respond in your language. Maybe you are just a sexually frustrated incel living in Europe, which probably this is the case. Sites like this are prohibited in your 3rd world country by internet regulation, so I presume you living in Europe as an illegal immigrant or something lol.


Living in denial or ignoring genetic studies that bother you is no longer a solution for a nordicist piece of shit like you because sooner or later you will face the truth. Even if you keep ignoring the modern genetic science, your own reflection in the mirror will always be a reminder that you have nothing in common with Northern Europeans you envy. How sad.

I am not ignoring genetic studies. For the 1000000th I would you like to link a related genetic study that supports your opinion. Also, you claimed on another post of yours that Greek's genome is 1/2 (50%) West Asian. 50%?? For real? You just ridicule yourself. I bet in real life you would never claim something so retarded, a brain fart literally. Of course, Greeks have nothing in common with Northern Europeans, but that's another topic. I though we were talking about West Asian admixture on Greeks here? No? FYI unlike you I am not a Nordicist. Is it a coincidence that all swarthy wogs like you turn out to be Nordicists ?


Your knowledge of history must be based on craps like "300". Anti-Persian western-washed Hollywod crap based on mythical Greek garbage tales of ancient charlatans. They mix up the shitty computer effects and animations to make the crap more appetizing for the anti-social ignorant faggots like you who love living in a dream world. I bet my money you can't orgasm without watching the scene where each greek muscle warrior kills hundreds of savage Persians(!) before he dies bravely in battle.

Well, I didn't even mentioned about 300 and Leonidas, exactly because a retard like you wouldn't find it historically accurate (in fact it is), but thanks for mentioning this historical battle as well. Another battle that proves how beta and manlets were/are the Persians.


The reality is; we raped your little, pussy-shaped peninsula twice. Persian cataphracts, immortals and mounted-archers were real warriors compared to your spear-carrying homosexual soldiers who had no idea what a horse was.

Blah, blah, blah. Meaningless chatter of a desperate manlet. Facts: Persians tried and FAILED, like the ottomans, like the Arabs and other beta sandniggers.


The only thing you gave to humanity is pederasty and homosexuality.

Yes the pederasts and homos who raped your women. Unlike you, they were out of the closet, little fag. If you are afraid to go back to your 3rd world country with your boyfriend in case they hang you both, it's not my fault. Deal with it. You come to Europe, you discover the civilization, then you discover the internet and pretending the machos online.

In fact ancient Greeks were real machos in real life and fucked everything that had legs with no shame, and you never beat them. You run away like scared chickens, sandnigger chickens.



I'm as sandnigger as you since there is no difference between Greeks and Persians when it comes to southwest-asian admixture.

Yeah, if that makes you feel better ok, yet I have to disagree. Unlike you, when I check the mirror I don't see 5 feet dwarf with black hair , black eyes, brown skin and deformed face. Oh yes, 50% west Asian admixture, who said that again? You? Where is that link that supports your words?


What makes us darker is west-central asian and minor south asian admixture, i have no problem with this, infact i'm proud of it and i don't live in denial unlike you delusional self-hating wog.

You tell me that I am in denial and a self-hating wog, interesting. Oh, wait. Didn't you just say that I am as sandnigger as you are? You just admitted that you are a self-hating wog. Way to go, that's a progress.


Viking hordes? It was Indo-Iranian tribes you ignorant child molester.

Indo-Iranian tribes are responsible for your minor European admixture. Yes, okay. I am saving this comment for further use/laughs etc.


Look who calls me self-hater? A nordicist pederast with afro hair who believes he doesn't have any west asian, sw asian or med admixture. Suck red devilcock in hell, piece of shit. I hope a camel rapes you a hundred times.

You admitted that your are a self hater above. So as I suspected , you are projecting your own insecurities and problems on me and Greeks. Deal with it. Plus, it's more probable that a camel rapes you instead of me lol. 100 times? Seriously? You must be same wild-crazy faggot for sure, who projects his messy mindset on me.



What i'm saying is you are far from being an unmixed population, you brainless dog. And yes, even though you are a mix of many populations, you can't pass in european countries, especially as a group.

I couldn't care less about the opinion of a swarthy self-hating manlet-wog on this matter. As a Persian, you look extremely stupid by judging who can pass in Europe and who cant. If I were you, I would shut my dark skinned mouth up, and let real Europeans decide this.

[louisk]

Anything ending in -aci or -ace in some way is derived from SOME Greek surname ending in -akis whether it has been shortened or spelled differently since the region has been Latinized.

I.e. the Cretan Greek surname Syrakis is now "Surace". Maniakis is now "Maniaci" etc.When was latinization of the region (southerm Italy) completed?

[Sikeliot]

When was latinization of the region (southerm Italy) completed?

Between 1200 and 1600 with some regions (Reggio Calabria, Crotone, and Messina in Sicily) being Greek until the 1600s and others being Latinized much earlier.

I believe I read much of Calabria still spoke Greek even later than that.

[Behrouz]

...

Mehh.. Greeks don't have any mediterranean and southwest asian admixture? Ok, sure. It must be north european component that makes Greeks look like these.

http://b5media_b4.s3.amazonaws.com/28/files/2007/03/greece-independance-party-2006-iii.jpg
http://pictures.n3po.com/cache/Photos/Greek-man-gestures_540.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-q5Ex02QY13k/Tc_sSwnn4LI/AAAAAAAAC3o/Xdxvwa7qCDs/s400/greek+man.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/o6ck2xr.jpg
http://www.natgeocreative.com/comp/05/023/415528.jpg
http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1700-2/photos/1360768361-elderly-greeks-protest-against-their-pensions-being-stopped_1793752.jpg
http://www.wtsp.com/images/640/360/2/assetpool/images/131003042925_Capture.JPG



I can see Afro influence too.

[Queen B]

Mehh.. Greeks don't have any mediterranean and southwest asian admixture? Ok, sure. It must be north european component that makes Greeks look like these.
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I can see Afro influence too.

Stupidity hit rock bottom. Posting pictures from ''anti-racism'' protests with full of immigrants.:picard2:

[tEhSaint]

Mehh.. Greeks don't have any mediterranean and southwest asian admixture? Ok, sure. It must be north european component that makes Greeks look like these.

http://b5med.....


I can see Afro influence too.

I see some random cherry-picked leftover Turkish genes.

Ah, and your immigrant brothers (pic bellow), who as usual, they try to take advantage of free food hand outs.

http://cdn.theguardian.tv/brightcove/poster/2012/6/9/120609GreeceProtest_6281928.jpg

Greeks have essentially Mediterranean genes, everything else is noise or just minor remnants. Go to some MENA forum to troll and claim your whiteness. Here you are just another self hating sandnigger.

[Behrouz]

You can't even get over the fact that the people in photos (except the last one) are ethnic Greeks, yet you call me self hater. Wake up kid, that's your stereotypical Greek phenotype. Stop sucking nordic cock and embrace your heritage.

[Sikeliot]

You can't even get over the fact that the people in photos (except the last one) are ethnic Greeks, yet you call me self hater. Wake up kid, that's your stereotypical Greek phenotype. Stop sucking nordic cock and embrace your heritage.

Stereotypical Greek is just a swarthy Med look, not a Persian look.

[Behrouz]

Stereotypical Greek is just a swarthy Med look, not a Persian look.

Nothing Iranid in their phenotype. You, as an admin, should stop acting like tehsaint's boyfriend. Your greek fetishism disgusts everyone.

[Prince Carlo]

Your greek fetishism disgusts everyone.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YlNEtWVGoAQ/T0dx2hZ71GI/AAAAAAAAAzg/As0eZtbx2Ug/s320/jimmy-fallon-popcorn.gif

[Queen B]

This is what I called typical

http://content-mcdn.feed.gr/filesystem/images/20110830/low/newego_LARGE_t_661_105473609.JPG
http://www.star.gr/publishingimages/2013/09/020913211907_7971.jpg
http://www.freegossip.gr/site_data/articles/2013101716141749.png
http://static.myworld.gr/assets/media/Top/picture%20prosopa/90760.jpg
http://www.fimes.gr/wp-content/uploads/stikoudi5.jpg
http://a.media.gossip-tv.gr/items/cache/a47b288133834804279480d4b51ec01a_L.jpg
http://www.tlife.gr/files/Image/NEWS/2011/AYGOYSTOS/07-08/resized/orestiskat_h_633_451.jpg

[tEhSaint]

You can't even get over the fact that the people in photos (except the last one) are ethnic Greeks, yet you call me self hater. Wake up kid, that's your stereotypical Greek phenotype. Stop sucking nordic cock and embrace your heritage.

The fact that you cherry pick some random dark ethnic Greeks doesn't make you whiter than them. Even if you bleach your skin your hair and put colored contacts you would look atypical for every single part of Europe, not to say ridiculous. In fact you already look ridiculous by what you write here. In addition, you sound full of hate. I cant understand why so much hate and ad hominem.

You are a self-hater. This is a fact. You repeat all the time the same brain fart; "You suck Nordic cock" , "you are nordicist" , "You are gypo" , "You are homo" etc. Again, don't project your own problems and insecurities on me, Greeks or other members here. It's obvious that you are jelly of white people, but I cant help you. As you said, embrace your heritage.

[Behrouz]

Actually that is called cherry picking. Why is it so difficult to accept who you are? What's wrong with greek fellas i posted? Your people are closer to Levantines than to British. So you better think twice before you insult them.

[Behrouz]

I cant understand why so much hate and ad hominem.
Funny when it comes from a person like you.

[Sikeliot]

Nothing Iranid in their phenotype. You, as an admin, should stop acting like tehsaint's boyfriend. Your greek fetishism disgusts everyone.

Well, if you weren't so damn ignorant I wouldn't have to. You have nothing to do with Greece and Greeks, and are intentionally misrepresenting them. Most Greeks are Mediterranean SE Euros, and look it. Yes, there is West Asian influence (~30% "Caucasus" type ancestry) but other SE Euros have it too.

[Sikeliot]

Your people are closer to Levantines than to British. So you better think twice before you insult them.

So are many groups of Europeans. Your point? Greeks are closer to their immediate neighbors (Bulgarians, Sicilians, Albanians) than to Levantines.

[Behrouz]

You have nothing to do with Greece and Greeks
I'm not a greek fetishist like you, why would i care? Are you fucking kidding me?




and are intentionally misrepresenting them. Most Greeks are Mediterranean SE Euros, and look it. Yes, there is West Asian influence (~30% "Caucasus" type ancestry) but other SE Euros have it too.

But your boyfriend tehsaint doesn't agree with you. He says Greeks dont have any west asian, sw asian or med admixture which is nothing but a self hating if you ask me. Their west asian admixture is 2 times more than their north euro, quite ironic, is it not?

[Sikeliot]

Their west asian admixture is 2 times more than their north euro, quite ironic, is it not?

This is only true for islanders.. for mainland Greeks they have maybe 10% more West Asian. But who cares? My point is, it is nothing extraordinary for Greeks to have West Asian influence, there are groups of Europeans who have even more than they do. Why single out Greeks?

[Bloodsport]

Looks like Behrouz lost a girlfriend to a Greek guy and now he's bitter against Greeks his whole life...

[Trun]

West Asian admixture in SE Europeans is Neolithic and has nothing to do with modern Persians, Anatolians or Caucasians.

[Behrouz]

This is only true for islanders.. for mainland Greeks they have maybe 10% more West Asian. But who cares? My point is, it is nothing extraordinary for Greeks to have West Asian influence, there are groups of Europeans who have even more than they do. Why single out Greeks?

Because tehsaint seem to be an extremely agressive self hating nordicist, that is why.




West Asian admixture in SE Europeans is Neolithic and has nothing to do with modern Persians, Anatolians or Caucasians.

According to tehsaint there is no such thing in SE europe.

[Queen B]

Looks like Behrouz lost a girlfriend to a Greek guy and now he's better against Greeks his whole life...
Looks like Behrouz never scored that girlfriend because of the Greek guy.

[Sikeliot]

According to tehsaint there is no such thing in SE europe.

There is, but it is common enough in Europe that it's now within the European spectrum.

[Behrouz]

:picard2:

What makes you change your mind ?



Greeks have essentially Mediterranean genes, everything else is noise or just minor remnants.


http://i39.tinypic.com/724les.png

[Shah-Jehan]

^Dude, you're very observant:D

[tEhSaint]

Actually that is called cherry picking. Why is it so difficult to accept who you are? What's wrong with greek fellas i posted? Your people are closer to Levantines than to British. So you better think twice before you insult them.

Unlike you, I don't brain fart, but I bring evidence. I cant say about how far are British compared to Greeks, but take a look on the chart below.

Here is the genetic distance of Greeks from MENAS compared to some Euros. Notice distance from Spain and Germany. Greeks are closer to Spanish AND Germans compared to Palestinians.

http://i.imgur.com/melI7Vd.jpg

Image is courtesy of Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe).

Scientific publication: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009PLoSO...4.5472N

You are miserable. You brain fart without evidence all the time. Fucking sandnigger.

Probably Harvard.edu according to you is less credible compared to your beloved hobbyists.

[Sikeliot]

And Italians (probably southerners) have 0 genetic difference from the Greeks.

[tEhSaint]

And Italians (probably southerners) have 0 genetic difference from the Greeks.

Exactly :)

[Sikeliot]

Exactly :)

Although it probably includes Calabrese, Apulians, etc. (I think it is an Italian American cluster). If it were solely Sicilians it'd drift some since they have slightly more Levantine input than Greeks.

[tEhSaint]

:picard2:

What makes you change your mind ?

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I thumbed up because I totally agree with him regarding THAT noise has nothing to do with Persians and other sandniggers of the region.

I bring facts from Harvard you bring shit. I bring discussion you bring ad hominem , and thumb down a well written post with cites and sources.

Go fuck yourself Persian nigger, get out of Europe, go back to your fucking Iran.

[Behrouz]

Unlike you, I don't brain fart, but I bring evidence. I cant say about how far are British compared to Greeks, but take a look on the chart below.

Here is the genetic distance of Greeks from MENAS compared to some Euros. Notice distance from Spain and Germany. Greeks are closer to Spanish AND Germans compared to Palestinians.

http://i.imgur.com/melI7Vd.jpg

Image is courtesy of Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe).

Scientific publication: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009PLoSO...4.5472N

You are miserable. You brain fart without evidence all the time. Fucking sandnigger.

Probably Harvard.edu according to you is less credible compared to your beloved hobbyists.

You seem to be really mad. Are you crying or what?
Listen my afro haired homo friend, by saying Levantines i mean Lebanese, Syrians and Jewish communities and please take a look at my post again, i said "British" not Spanish or German. How long did it take you to find this by the way? I cant see you barking for ten minutes or more

[tEhSaint]

You seem to be really mad. Are you crying or what?
Listen my afro haired homo friend, by saying Levantines i mean Lebanese, Syrians and Jewish communities and please take a look at my post again, i said "British" not Spanish or German. How long did it take you to find this by the way? I cant see you barking for ten minutes or more

Just a simple Google search. Dat easy. I am not like you butthurt being ridiculous on a Europe themed website.

[Behrouz]

I thumbed up because I totally agree with him regarding THAT noise has nothing to do with Persians and other sandniggers of the region.

I bring facts from Harvard you bring shit. I bring discussion you bring ad hominem , and thumb down a well written post with cites and sources.

Go fuck yourself Persian nigger, get out of Europe, go back to your fucking Iran.

30% is not noise you fucktard. You know nothing about genetics and all you do is bark.
I dont live in europe anyway, do you live in greece?

[Behrouz]

You two (tehsaint and queenbitch) seem to be a good couple.

[Queen B]

You two (tehsaint and queenbitch) seem to be a good couple.
Probably we do.
Once you call him homo, now we make a good couple. Decide :lol:

[tEhSaint]

30% is not noise you fucktard. You know nothing about genetics and all you do is bark.
I dont live in europe anyway, do you live in greece?

You know so much, yet you don't post anything related, just random numbers and farts. In fact, you are the dog here.

[Behrouz]

Probably we do.
Once you call him homo, now we make a good couple. Decide :lol:

Maybe you are a trans who knows

[Queen B]

Maybe you are a trans who knows
I have posted my photos quite a few times.
If I were a trans, I would be a super-succesful one :thumb001:
Btw, you are very interested in homo/trans stuff. I wonder why :confused:

[Behrouz]

You know so much, yet you don't post anything related, just random numbers and farts. In fact, you are the dog here.

I dont post because i know youre gonna deny it by saying "nonsense hobbyist huurr drrrrrrrr hhhhuuuuurrrrrrr"

[tEhSaint]

I dont live in europe anyway, do you live in greece?

Sorry I am straight. Not interested.

[Behrouz]

Btw, you are very interested in homo/trans stuff. I wonder why :confused:

Because im currently talking to greeks (=the nation of homos and pederasts).

[Bloodsport]

Because im currently talking to greeks.

Maybe us Greeks should talk about flying carpets and stoning women to death so Behrouz feels comfortable.

[Trun]

What the fuck is this obsession with Greeks from a Persian guy? We don't live in 3th century BC dude. Get a life and go out of this European cultural forum if you have nothing positive to bring here.

[Queen B]

Because im currently talking to greeks.
So if you are talking to Blacks you use ''yolo'', ''yo'' and similar stuff to fit? :lol:

Seriously now,your obsession with homosexuality/sexual orientation and personal relations of others only shows your crypto-homosexuality, and your lack of sexual/romantic life.You act like spinsters do when they see couples.You act like bullies who most of times come from problematic families that were bullied themselves.
Someone with a content personal life and who is proud of his choices (straight or gay) don't bother with that.
I feel sorry for you:(

[Queen B]

What the fuck is this obsession with Greeks from a Persian guy? We don't live in 3th century BC dude. Get a life and go out of this European cultural forum if you have nothing positive to bring here.
Its not about BC, you don't get it ?
He is one of the wannabe Europeans.
The best way to fit in Europe is to pick the one he thinks closest to them .
Then it goes ''if you are, then why aren't I,too?''

[Behrouz]

What the fuck is this obsession with Greeks from a Persian guy? We don't live in 3th century BC dude. Get a life and go out of this European cultural forum if you have nothing positive to bring here.

You should be grateful because i've managed to unify all swarthy insecure members here (You, Sik, QueenB, tehsaint, horatio=jew etc) Enjoy the orgy.

[Trun]

You should be grateful because i've managed to unify all swarthy insecure members here (You, Sik, QueenB, tehsaint, horatio=jew etc) Enjoy the orgy.

I bet all of them are whiter than you, even me. I have seen Queen's pictures and she can fit better in France than in Iran to be honest.

[Behrouz]

Its not about BC, you don't get it ?
He is one of the wannabe Europeans.
The best way to fit in Europe is to pick the one he thinks closest to them .
Then it goes ''if you are, then why aren't I,too?''

Im not european. Unlike you i know who i am and im proud of it.

[Queen B]

I bet all of them are whiter than you, even me. I have seen Queen's pictures and she can fit better in France than in Iran to be honest.
He doesn't even dare to post his photo :laugh:

[Behrouz]

I bet all of them are whiter than you, even me. I have seen Queen's pictures and she can fit better in France than in Iran to be honest.

Who cares about being white? I bet you look like a gypsy otherwise you wouldnt be talking about being white 24/7.

[Behrouz]

He doesn't even dare to post his photo :laugh:

I already did it. :picard2:

[Queen B]

I already did it. :picard2:
You mean the one with the sunglasses on? :cool:
Why don't you make a classification thread, with clear photos? :cool:

[Behrouz]

You mean the one with the sunglasses on? :cool:
Why don't you make a classification thread, with clear photos? :cool:

Because i've never been insecure about my look and my heritage. As i said earlier i know who i am, i dont look european and dont give a fuck about it, I'm Persian.
You swarthy insecure wogs try too hard to pass in central or western europe. You have no idea how miserable and selfhating you are.


This is what im talking about;


I have seen Queen's pictures and she can fit better in France than in Iran to be honest.

So is that something to be proud of? She can pass in france, wow! She must be a goddess then.

[Queen B]

Because i've never been insecure about my look and my heritage. As i said earlier i know who i am, i dont look european and dont give a fuck about it, I'm Persian.You swarthy insecure wogs try too hard to be pass in central or western europe. You have no idea how miserable you are.
Asking about classification-has nothing to do with insecurity :picard2:
Even though I m not swarthy, I look 100% Greek (that's what I ve been told by anyone (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?35083-Classify-Dandelion), anyway (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?75419-Where-do-I-fit-best-Dandelion-version)), and I m damn amazing that way :cool:
Being here for 2 years now, there is noone that have ever accused me about wanting to pass in Central or Western Europe. For being a bitch, racist, chauvinist Greek, anti-[insert neighbor countries here], yeap, there were some, but no one did and noone have grounds to say something like it.
You can go as far as my first posts and read to see. So, stop talking out of your arse.
Just because you have such problems yourself, doesn't mean that we do have them.:picard2:

[Hadouken]

I look 100% Greek (that's what I ve been told by anyone (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?35083-Classify-Dandelion), anyway (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?75419-Where-do-I-fit-best-Dandelion-version)),and I m damn amazing that way :cool:

haha :D

man i love you greek people so much

[Behrouz]

haha :D

man i love you greek people so much

Blasphemy!

[Sikeliot]

Behrouz you probably look closer to North Indians than to Greeks.

[Trun]

She must be a goddess then.

Well, she looks like one. Not the swarthy midget you probably think she is.

[Behrouz]

Behrouz you probably look closer to North Indians than to Greeks.

So what? Is that supposed to make me feel bad? You don't even look like a man, you know what i'm saying.

[Behrouz]

Well, she looks like one. Not the swarthy midget you probably think she is.
I caught no lifer having cyber love LMAO

[Hadouken]

Blasphemy!

why ?

i like iranians too but you seem to me as if you just want to cause trouble and fighting here without any reason

[Behrouz]

why ?

i like iranians too but you seem to me as if you just want to cause trouble and fighting here without any reason

i have my reasons baradar.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?97769-Classify-5-Greek-Footballers/page13&p=2002896#post2002896

[Bloodsport]

Post a picture of yourself...

[Behrouz]

Post a picture of yourself...


Here you go http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?42706-Members-Pictures-Thread-II&p=1924318&viewfull=1#post1924318


Your turn.

[Bloodsport]

Here you go http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?42706-Members-Pictures-Thread-II&p=1924318&viewfull=1#post1924318


Your turn.

You hid your eyes and triangle around your nose, the most important part to me...

[Behrouz]

You hid your eyes and triangle around your nose, the most important part to me...

I dont hide my eyes i was just wearing sunglasses. now its YOUR TURN
Show us your levantine face

[Bloodsport]

I dont hide my eyes i was just wearing sunglasses. now its YOUR TURN
Show us your levantine face

You selected a picture with sunglasses. Well done. :thumb001:

If a member I trust asks for my photo on PM I may give it to them.

[Behrouz]

You selected a picture with sunglasses. Well done. :thumb001:

If a member I trust asks for my photo on PM I may give it to them.

I thought it was a duel between me and you. Why did you want me to post my photo then. Are you a homo too? like 37% of Greek population?

[Queen B]

I thought it was a duel between me and you. Why did you want me to post my photo then. Are you a homo too? like 37% of Greek population?
Have you slept with 37% so you know if they are homo?
Again with the sexuality? BE careful of that

[tEhSaint]

LOL that Persian terrorist Bahrouz is out of control.

To me it's obvious. He is self hater. Probably because he is dark, I saw that foto where he covers 1/2 of his face. He looks quite westernized too (of course I mean clothes and attitude only). My opinion is that he lives, or lived in a western country and he is probably mistreated for being what he is, a Muslim from Iran with very dark complexion and exotic characteristics.

The fact that he repeatedly keep calling us names here, like "wogs", "gypsies", "homos" and other shit makes my hypothesis stronger; This is a common human defense mechanism to make up for his own deficiency. I mean a normal Persian guy who lives in Iran and cares about local affairs of Iran and nothing else wouldn't ever care to come here and start insult Europeans for no reason. Us, as Europeans gather here and talk about our local affairs, we don't invade/pollute your Pakistani forums to insult you for having dark complexion.

Once again, lets sum up the facts bahrouz. You are not white and you look exotic for Europe. You claim that you are proud of your heritage, but you come to a European forum to fight with everyone and insult them for being dark gypsies and stuff. Therefore you are a self-hater, since you are the darkest here.You cant say who is dark and who isn't.

You jelly of white people ?

http://i.imgur.com/7cqPZC9.jpg

[Behrouz]

LOL that Persian terrorist Bahrouz is out of control.

To me it's obvious. He is self hater. Probably because he is dark, I saw that foto where he covers 1/2 of his face. He looks quite westernized too (of course I mean clothes and attitude only). My opinion is that he lives, or lived in a western country and he is probably mistreated for being what he is, a Muslim from Iran with very dark complexion and exotic characteristics.

The fact that he repeatedly keep calling us names here, like "wogs", "gypsies", "homos" and other shit makes my hypothesis stronger; This is a common human defense mechanism to make up for his own deficiency. I mean a normal Persian guy who lives in Iran and cares about local affairs of Iran and nothing else wouldn't ever care to come here and start insult Europeans for no reason. Us, as Europeans gather here and talk about our local affairs, we don't invade/pollute your Pakistani forums to insult you for having dark complexion.

Once again, lets sum up the facts bahrouz. You are not white and you look exotic for Europe. You claim that you are proud of your heritage, but you come to a European forum to fight with everyone and insult them for being dark gypsies and stuff. Therefore you are a self-hater, since you are the darkest here.You cant say who is dark and who isn't.

You jelly of white people ?


Since you are greek you must be East Med by default, i bet your hair is like sheep's wool, for obvious reasons you dont post your photo. You are a loser and your only achievement in your miserable life is being a bit 'lighter' than your levantine cousins hence you are too obsessed with complexion because your whole life is based on it. No wonder Greece and other swarthy med countries produce the most self-hating nordicists. I've never seen a Scandinavian member bringing up 'skin colour' everywhere, its you and other swarthy self haters who do this. You probably look like a black sheep wool in a comparison to average European yet you are among the most nordicists users on this forum.

I dont even think you live in your little bankrupt country, no i dont think so. If you werent a self hating hot blooded piece of shit i wouldnt be here, in this worthless thread. Now you can continue cyber-flirting with Sikeliot.



I found your hair on the web by teh way
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3208/2843007148_046730c3f1_o.jpg

[tEhSaint]

Since you are greek you must be East Med by default, i bet your hair is like sheep's wool, for obvious reasons you dont post your photo. You are a loser and your only achievement in your miserable life is being a bit 'lighter' than your levantine cousins hence you are too obsessed with complexion because your whole life is based on it. No wonder Greece and other swarthy med countries produce the most self-hating nordicists. I've never seen a Scandinavian member bringing up 'skin colour' everywhere, its you and other swarthy self haters who do this. You probably look like a black sheep wool in a comparison to average European yet you are among the most nordicists users on this forum.

I see that apart from pigmentation you are very obsessed with hair texture as well, yet you keep calling me a nordicist, you are such a hypocrite. Once again, stop projecting your own insecurities and problems on me or other members. It's not my fault that you look like... well, as you look like.

Meanwhile Behrouz in Tehran...

http://i.imgur.com/WkuNFa0.jpg


I dont even think you live in your little bankrupt country, no i dont think so. If you werent a self hating hot blooded piece of shit i wouldnt be here, in this worthless thread. Now you can continue cyber-flirting with Sikeliot.

In fact, I live in Greece, and you are welcomed, at your own risk of course.

[Yuffayur]

Nikos Karelis looks Moroccan

Nope ,he looks Middle eastern not berberid

[cezar211091]

HIS NAME IS SOKRATIS,HOW COOL