Do North Africans look more like Puerto Ricans than Middle Easterners?

[daedal1]

Puerto Ricans:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7081/7360378148_9a309101c4_z.jpg

North Africans (Tunisians):

http://static1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1700-0/photos/1727040.jpg

Moroccans:

http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gp3_slideshow_large/morocco_protests_casablanca_20_06_11.jpg

Middle Easterners (Syrians):

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/3/26/1301104688004/Syria-protests-007.jpg

(Iraqis):

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2013/0201-protests-surge-iraq-sunni-regions/14924273-1-eng-US/0201-protests-surge-iraq-sunni-regions_full_600.jpg

[Smeagol]

Depends on which North Africans.

[randomguy1235]

Terrible selection of images

[daedal1]

Depends on which North Africans.

Since most North Africans are Maghrebis, let's say North Africans ex-Egypt.

[Smeagol]

Since most North Africans are Maghrebis, let's say North Africans ex-Egypt.

Many Maghrebis look more Middle Eastern, many look Puerto-Rican. Generally the people who actually call themselves Berbers are purer than the people who call themselves Arab.

[StonyArabia]

North Africans have their own look.

[daedal1]

Many Maghrebis look more Middle Eastern, many look Puerto-Rican. Generally the people who actually call themselves Berbers are purer than the people who call themselves Arab.

Then why do some people say that John Turturro looks Middle Eastern, but then say that he can't pass in the Maghreb?

[Stormer99]

Many Maghrebis look more Middle Eastern, many look Puerto-Rican. Generally the people who actually call themselves Berbers are purer than the people who call themselves Arab.

Almost all Moroccans are Berbers. They don't have much West Asian type Middle Eastern ancestry.

[Tropico]

Yes, because those Puerto Ricans represent true Puerto Ricans. Posting Nuyoricans is faulty since they have been in New York for generations now and are very likely to be mixed with Dominicans, African Americans, Italian Americans and Greek Americans. Nuyoricans on 23andme usually get high Northern Euro, much higher than anything seen back in Puerto Rico, showing definite admixture with White Americans.

[Sikeliot]

Southern and central Moroccans look like the Puerto Ricans in NYC. Northern Moroccans look more like the Puerto Ricans on the island, and Iberians.

Algerians and Tunisians best retain the "true" North African look.

Egyptians and Libyans look like Sicilians mixed with SSA and Arabians.

[Smeagol]

Then why do some people say that John Turturro looks Middle Eastern, but then say that he can't pass in the Maghreb?

Because North African types Caucasoid types like Berberid, and Saharid aren't found in the Middle East.

[Smeagol]

Almost all Moroccans are Berbers. They don't have much West Asian type Middle Eastern ancestry.

You didn't understand what I said. The ones who call themselves Berber have much less ssa than the ''Arabs''.

[daedal1]

Southern and central Moroccans look like the Puerto Ricans in NYC. Northern Moroccans look more like the Puerto Ricans on the island, and Iberians.

Algerians and Tunisians best retain the "true" North African look.

Egyptians and Libyans look like Sicilians mixed with SSA and Arabians.

Do you mean that they look like IBERIANS or Canary Islanders?

[Sikeliot]

Because North African types Caucasoid types like Berberid, and Saharid aren't found in the Middle East.

Saharid is South Med, and is not that different from an East Med.

[Sikeliot]

Do you mean that they look like IBERIANS or Canary Islanders?

Both. Canarians more so, though. Pure, unmixed Berbers would probably be similar to Sardinians too.

[Smeagol]

Saharid is South Med, and is not that different from an East Med.

It's not alpinized, or dinaricized.

[Sikeliot]

It's not alpinized, or dinaricized.

Then it might be closer to Gracile Med.

South Med is like this:

http://stanzedicinema.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/venezia-2011-donatella-finocchiaro-terraferma.jpg

[daedal1]

Both. Canarians more so, though. Pure, unmixed Berbers would probably be similar to Sardinians too.

You think these moroccans from Rabat look like Iberians?

http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/morc3.jpg

[Hayalet]

Middle Easterners for sure.

Averaged Puerto Rican face:

http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B8_zps337fbf64.png

Averaged Tunisian face:

http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B12_zps8b887629.png

Averaged Jordanese, Lebanese, Iranian and Turkish faces:

http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B21_zps9c9153ed.pnghttp://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B3_zps7e16c6dd.png
http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B11_zps3041f8e7.pnghttp://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B2_zps4d50a559.png

[Sikeliot]

Averaged Puerto Rican face:

http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B8_zps337fbf64.png


That just looks like a light skinned black person tbh.

[Tropico]

Middle Easterners for sure.

Averaged Puerto Rican face:

http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B8_zps337fbf64.png

Averaged Tunisian face:

http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B12_zps8b887629.png

Averaged Jordanese, Lebanese, Iranian and Turkish faces:

http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B21_zps9c9153ed.pnghttp://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B3_zps7e16c6dd.png
http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B11_zps3041f8e7.pnghttp://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o708/A125678/bai/B2_zps4d50a559.png

LMAO that picture has to be a joke. :picard1: Yes the average Puerto Rican looks EXACTLY like that...

[Sikeliot]

The Tunisian picture is more how I think of average Puerto Rican, actually. The Puerto Rican one is how I think of Dominicans.

[Hadouken]

That just looks like a light skinned black person tbh.

http://images.wikia.com/mlpfanart/images/3/30/You_don%27t_say.png

[Tropico]

The Tunisian picture is more how I think of average Puerto Rican, actually. The Puerto Rican one is how I think of Dominicans.

Both are ridiculous for Puerto Ricans. They both look much more like the range for Dominicans. He has to be trolling.

[Sikeliot]

The Tunisian looks black to you too? I don't think so.

[daedal1]

Both. Canarians more so, though. Pure, unmixed Berbers would probably be similar to Sardinians too.

And these Berbers from Rabat look like Iberians too?

http://www.crethiplethi.com/wp-content/uploads/hag671294.jpg

[Sikeliot]

And these Berbers from Rabat look like Iberians too?

http://www.crethiplethi.com/wp-content/uploads/hag671294.jpg

The picture did not show up.

[daedal1]

The picture did not show up.

Do you see it now?

http://i.snag.gy/IeedP.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Do you see it now?

http://i.snag.gy/IeedP.jpg

No but they do not look Middle Eastern either.

[Tropico]

This thread is full of people who know nothing about Puerto Rico. Happy trolling.

[Sikeliot]

Puerto Ricans should generally look "off-European" which means Caucasoid but something distinct that you would not guess them as European.

[Tropico]

Puerto Ricans should generally look "off-European" which means Caucasoid but something distinct that you would not guess them as European.

Cant believe he posted that pic of that black guy trying to say thats what Puerto Ricans look like. Get real.

[Stormer99]

Puerto Ricans should generally look "off-European" which means Caucasoid but something distinct that you would not guess them as European.

Puerto Ricans look clearly triracial to me.

[Tropico]

Puerto Ricans look clearly triracial to me.

You also thought my teacher who is 1/16 SSA showed clear signs of SSA. Youre not the most trustworthy opinion.

[Sikeliot]

I think the ones in the US are just disproportionately mixed, or are part Dominican or something.

Either way the blackest Caribbean Hispanics are Cubans.. a significant portion of their population looks purely African.

[daedal1]

No but they do not look Middle Eastern either.

Average North Moroccans from Meknes:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gq5OR0yshx8/S_7Zft1S3yI/AAAAAAAAE2k/xbqTuPRfDqg/s1600/IMG_7400.JPG

http://www.elevenshadows.com/travels/morocco-spain/images-morocco/18morocco-id.jpg

http://www.ardware.net/images/morocco/scan0024.jpg

Not very Iberian.

[Hayalet]

Cant believe he posted that pic of that black guy trying to say thats what Puerto Ricans look like.
It's an averaged face of Puerto Rican basketballers.

[Tropico]

It's an averaged face of Puerto Rican basketballers.

:picard2: Wow. And you thought that was credible of a population of 8 million?

[Hayalet]

:picard2: Wow. And you thought that was credible of a population of 8 million?
I'm sorry I couldn't get an averaged face of 8 million Puerto Ricans for you.

[Stormer99]

You also thought my teacher who is 1/16 SSA showed clear signs of SSA. Youre not the most trustworthy opinion.

I saw it slightly in her. I'm very good at telling smaller ancestry. I never said she was black or anything near it.

[Carlito's Way]

objectiverealist is indeed VERY good at telling smaller ancestry, trust her :thumb001:

[Hadouken]

average moroccan doesnt look like the average westasian

[daedal1]

average moroccan doesnt look like the average westasian

Of course, but how many west asians can fit in North Africa?

[Hadouken]

Of course, but how many west asians can fit in North Africa?

less than one would think

[daedal1]

less than one would think

What about for Egypt? Less or more so than the Maghreb?

[Prince Carlo]

They resemble Southern Middle Esterners a lot. Few can pass in South Europe.

[Hadouken]

What about for Egypt? Less or more so than the Maghreb?

neither

north africans and west asians dont look alike

only the berbers and non ssa influenced southmed etc. types can have similarities but mostly north africans have their own specific look

i know A LOT of north africans and am westasian myself and i can tell you only ignorant people or people who just dont know much about race mistake them for one another

i would say the northafricans that look most similar to westasians are tunisians

[Hadouken]

They resemble Southern Middle Esterners a lot. Few can pass in South Europe.

well it should be added that i dont count countries like saudi arabia , yemen , kuwait etc. when i talk about "us"

[madridi4verrr]

Nice cherrypicking , can you stop trolling now ?

[daedal1]

Nice cherrypicking , can you stop trolling now ?

These are average north africans. People on anthroforums always complain about cherry-picked lighter north africans.

[daedal1]

well it should be added that i dont count countries like saudi arabia , yemen , kuwait etc. when i talk about "us"

That might not be far off:

http://img.ctrlv.in/img/5260445e2535e.png

You see here that turks, caucasus people, iranians and some levantines are grouped into the west asian group, while gulf arabs, other levantines and north africans are categorized into the MENA proper group.

[madridi4verrr]

Pictures of algerians

http://s17.postimg.org/g89ciu7vj/image.jpghttp://s18.postimg.org/vm9nbtsll/image.jpghttp://s23.postimg.org/4b0uoi7bf/image.jpghttp://s2.postimg.org/6u9dtgjux/image.jpghttp://s17.postimg.org/y639e4lsv/image.jpghttp://s11.postimg.org/5onkrclfn/image.jpghttp://s9.postimg.org/ntpbsbnxr/image.jpghttp://s11.postimg.org/k1h0po5fn/image.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/vldfobce9/image.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/hhgnd67b5/image.jpghttp://s2.postimg.org/rapg8t0g9/image.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/ryreuo94l/image.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/54hlbhls1/image.jpghttp://s9.postimg.org/6go84y7e7/image.jpghttp://s4.postimg.org/olb4ypo6l/image.jpghttp://s23.postimg.org/n2usshr4b/image.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/5g3n1zrlt/image.jpghttp://s23.postimg.org/5xqit40az/image.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/in29t022p/image.jpghttp://s17.postimg.org/4slrn5467/image.jpg

[Hadouken]

That might not be far off:

http://img.ctrlv.in/img/5260445e2535e.png

You see here that turks, caucasus people, iranians and some levantines are grouped into the west asian group, while gulf arabs, other levantines and north africans are categorized into the MENA proper group.

interesting thanks

to me ok to ME most levantines are also westasians and i feel much closer to them than to saudis , yemenis etc.

[madridi4verrr]

More pictures of algerians

http://i44.tinypic.com/10ft6kw.jpghttp://i43.tinypic.com/1ew5s8.jpghttp://i39.tinypic.com/21zotj.jpghttp://i40.tinypic.com/1ilv7o.jpghttp://i41.tinypic.com/34xqmpf.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/13zz8s4.jpghttp://i39.tinypic.com/5evgwz.jpghttp://i40.tinypic.com/efflvl.jpghttp://s24.postimg.org/qlh1hu111/4601852723_d5089800cf_b.jpghttp://s23.postimg.org/59p5uvgyz/4598050271_6713b759b9.jpghttp://s11.postimg.org/x3n5jciz7/312070262_6bad043616_o.jpghttp://s24.postimg.org/dpzv3l705/10220_276878970460_556940460_8991764_6704418_n.jpg http://s22.postimg.org/q1rqk3kbl/20090722_IMG_9094.jpghttp://s21.postimg.org/ay6hiqvtj/214024_hurry_people_algeria.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/mgx7b6qlx/dfg.jpghttp://s12.postimg.org/ffytla7kt/4218587369.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/pdtvmbs51/4218587304.jpghttp://s23.postimg.org/dluk6za23/dsc00068b.jpg

[madridi4verrr]

More algerians :

http://s21.postimg.org/iw6x7spsn/18266714008585272132512.jpghttp://s2.postimg.org/7qppp1155/SAM_0489.jpghttp://s1.postimg.org/4nqbq8ijz/hijab3.jpghttp://s23.postimg.org/s0gs126cr/hijab1n.jpghttp://s14.postimg.org/nqrcf4aw1/xcfg.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/4c32zh1kl/met8.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/tvq8qd7z5/IMG_0724.jpghttp://s9.postimg.org/c4oou3w0v/mara_086.jpghttp://s18.postimg.org/s7fxrnvrt/IMG_0021.jpghttp://s24.postimg.org/4kibi8otx/P7150102.jpghttp://s3.postimg.org/k86nsmzsz/P7150104.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/seg3klzj9/2561948661_1.jpghttp://s1.postimg.org/uypxg6vov/dscn3544g.jpghttp://s7.postimg.org/9hd7blinv/9135_1213456264915_1484067547_563045_7699720_n.jpg http://s16.postimg.org/s1tas66n9/4222841201.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/lpiqw2syt/cvb.jpghttp://s23.postimg.org/cu6lfr7vv/5409_1193875199746_1014399564_601883_4782099_n.jpg http://s10.postimg.org/spbbbncop/16879114008498605474512.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/3krzaq5o5/DSC_0997.jpg

http://s23.postimg.org/ofh86uaaz/2463391393_3.jpg

[madridi4verrr]

And more :

http://i40.tinypic.com/2e1cd2r.jpghttp://i40.tinypic.com/nlo8b6.jpghttp://i40.tinypic.com/1r9sfs.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/dd4dx.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/k02dqq.jpghttp://i43.tinypic.com/dbhxza.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/2cda5o5.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/2z8p4xh.jpghttp://i41.tinypic.com/r0qt1d.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/folpaw.jpghttp://i40.tinypic.com/qwxft0.jpghttp://i39.tinypic.com/fjhsfa.jpghttp://i40.tinypic.com/iylnib.jpghttp://i40.tinypic.com/2i26drk.jpghttp://i40.tinypic.com/sxdn3c.jpghttp://i41.tinypic.com/2i8iyqf.jpghttp://i43.tinypic.com/9vjs4w.jpghttp://i43.tinypic.com/2yukpip.jpghttps://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/600741_675092949174521_1276631805_n.jpg

[daedal1]

And more :



What percentage of John Turturro or Levantine looking people would you say exist in the Maghreb?

[madridi4verrr]

What percentage of John Turturro or Levantine looking people would you say exist in the Maghreb?

Levantine and north africans are different people , those are two differente regions with different pheneotypes , if your question is how much the percentage of maghrebis who can pass in the levant , I don't know maybe 10-20% .

[Tropico]

Algerians look alot like Puerto Ricans. Hell, me, my dad and my sisters IMO could all pass as North African.

[Max Power]

Both are ridiculous for Puerto Ricans. They both look much more like the range for Dominicans. He has to be trolling.

I have to agree with Ricky here. The "Puerto Rican Average" looks like the average Dominican mulatto (silverknight) though I think the Tunisian one could be PR or the more caucasoid range of Dominicans.


The Tunisian looks black to you too? I don't think so.

Why does he have to looks black to be part of the Dominican range? Do I, Kilo, Saru, etc from ABF look black to you? We're all within the range and not a minority.


I think the ones in the US are just disproportionately mixed, or are part Dominican or something.

Either way the blackest Caribbean Hispanics are Cubans.. a significant portion of their population looks purely African.

No Nuyoricans are blacker because they were the poorest segment of PR from areas around San Juan or whatever. Mixing with Dominicans isn't some magical population blackening effect. I would "lighten the gene pool" by mixing with some of the Nuyoricans I've seen.

[Sikeliot]

Why does he have to looks black to be part of the Dominican range? Do I, Kilo, Saru, etc from ABF look black to you? We're all within the range and not a minority.

Averaging Dominicans would produce someone who looked part black, unless you chose people from the lightest areas, no? And I didn't say the Tunisian one had to look black to be Dominican, but he said the Tunisian looked more Dominican, which made no sense to me for in order to look more Dominican than Puerto Rican they WOULD have to be blacker since Dominicans who are less black, look closer to the Puerto Rican average.

[Hadouken]

Algerians look alot like Puerto Ricans. Hell, me, my dad and my sisters IMO could all pass as North African.

i told you that you look northafrican ;)

[Tropico]

i told you that you look northafrican ;)

lol Thats the general consensus I get from my classification.

[daedal1]

Levantine and north africans are different people , those are two differente regions with different pheneotypes , if your question is how much the percentage of maghrebis who can pass in the levant , I don't know maybe 10-20% .

So 10-20% of North Africans look like Levant people? Why do people deny that there is an overlap if that is the case (since Western Asian people can overlap with S. Italians)?

[Portukalos]

less than one would think

So according to you there is more similarity between Kurds and Palestinians , then let's say Algerians and Palestinians? West Asians are not homogenous , it's easy to tell apart when it's about their ethnicities.

First of all those people are not seperated races. If you take a group of Kurds , a group of Algerians (or North Moroccans) and a group of Lebanese , you'll see they belong to the same race (=non-Euro MENAS/Caucasoid) but are still easy to tell apart from each others.
I have seen alot of Kurds newly migrants where I lived and I would never mistake one of them for Levantine , they have a distinct look about as much as North Africans do , if not even more actually as they look less Mediterranean and more 'West Asianoid'.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Terrible selection of images

Its hard to find Maghrebi women pics, that's why its terrible pic selection. ;)

[Hadouken]

So according to you there is more similarity between Kurds and Palestinians , then let's say Algerians and Palestinians? West Asians are not homogenous , it's easy to tell apart when it's about their ethnicities.

First of all those people are not seperated races. If you take a group of Kurds , a group of Algerians (or North Moroccans) and a group of Lebanese , you'll see they belong to the same race (=non-Euro MENAS/Caucasoid) but are still easy to tell apart from each others.
I have seen alot of Kurds newly migrants where I lived and I would never mistake one of them for Levantine , they have a distinct look about as much as North Africans do , if not even more actually as they look less Mediterranean and more 'West Asianoid'.

kurds iranians turks armenians syrians lebanese etc. look closer (and ARE closer) to each other than to northafricans

and i refuse to believe that we are the same race as northafricans

and i refuse to believe that they look more mediterannean than us exept the berbers and a few other unmixed people .....i know a lot of northafricans and most look mullatto or at least quadroon like and not like us at all

[memobekes]

They don't look like neither of them. The Puerto Ricans are not a good example to compare with either because they are a mixture of Caucasoids, Negroids and Mongoloids (Amerindian).

[The King, I am]

Berbers look/are white, arab/berbers are darker and look different most of the time, Arab/berber/negro looks weird

[daedal1]

Berbers look/are white, arab/berbers are darker and look different most of the time, Arab/berber/negro looks weird

Berbers have more SSA admix than gulf arabs do and they are genetically to their south. Berbers are blacker than gulf arabs in aggregate. Even light ones often have visible SSA influenced features, which are often less visible on gulf arabs, who mainly look sw asian.

[madridi4verrr]

Berbers have more SSA admix than gulf arabs do and they are genetically to their south. Berbers are blacker than gulf arabs in aggregate. Even light ones often have visible SSA influenced features, which are often less visible on gulf arabs, who mainly look sw asian.

Lol ... ^^

[daedal1]

Lol ... ^^

What's so funny? North Africans have more SSA admix and are genetically south of even gulf arabs.

[madridi4verrr]

What's so funny? North Africans have more SSA admix and are genetically south of even gulf arabs.

North african with visible SSA are a minority in north africa ...

[Übermensch]

Riffians are phenotypically quite nordic and cromagnoid (berberid) they have 0% SSA, they look more like mediterranized Irish people than Puerto Ricans, they are even lighter than North Italians.
Kabyle people look similar to Sicilians,Iberians,Sardinians ecc, the berbers tribes in the South are mixed with SSA blood.
For the rest North Africans look quite similar to Middle Eastern, particulary arabs, being mostly low skulled,dark small mediterraneans.

[madridi4verrr]

Riffians are phenotypically quite nordic and cromagnoid (berberid) they have 0% SSA, they look more like mediterranized Irish people than Puerto Ricans, they are even lighter than North Italians.
Kabyle people look similar to Sicilians,Iberians,Sardinians ecc, the berbers tribes in the South are mixed with SSA blood.
For the rest North Africans look quite similar to Middle Eastern, particulary arabs, being mostly low skulled,dark small mediterraneans.

I agree except for the first statement , riffians are not nordic and are not lighter than north italians , they are mostly CM (Berberid ) with med and alpine influence like most of moroccans .

Exemple of riffians

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[Übermensch]

I agree except for the first statement , riffians are not nordic and are not lighter than north italians , they are mostly CM (Berberid ) with med and alpine influence like most of moroccans .

Exemple of riffians

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They are not even close in terms of measuraments to Western and Eastern European UP types,anyway:

''The Riffians, the best known of the Moroccan Berbers, are sedentary agriculturalists, with the exceptions of two tribes, the Metalsa and Beni Bu Yahi, who live in the Garet Desert through which the Muluya River flows. They are the blondest and most Nordic of the Berbers, and have received much acclaim for their warlike ability. They are not, however, of homogeneous ethnic origin.99 In some tribes the leading families claim descent from Senhaja, others from Zenata, while families of sherifs are, of course, of saintly Arab origin. Families in the central Rif, such as the Beni Khattab, the clan of Sidi Mohammed ben Abd el Krim, are descended from the eighth century Arab missionaries who founded the Kingdom of Nekor in the coastal section of what is now the tribe of Beni Urriaghel. The tribes of purest Riffian descent, who admit indigenous heathen lineage in many families, are the Beni Urriaghel, Beni Amart. and Gzennaya. These form a cultural nucleus in the country back of the Bay of Alhucemas.

Although the tribes are not uniform metrically in a strict sense, they are all moderately tall, all dolichocephalic, all high-headed, and all leptorrhine. The mean stature of the Riffian nation is 168.6 cm.; the tribes vary from 166 cm. to 172 cm. Bodily proportions are on the whole lean and spare, with a relative sitting height of 50.9, and a relative span of 104. The shoulders are moderately broad, the hips narrow. There is a type of Riffian with a lateral body build, a long trunk, and wide shoulders and hips, but this type is in no tribe numerous enough to influence the mean of the whole.

Absolute head size among Riffians reaches European proportions; the three major head dimensions are 195 mm. by 146 mm. by 129 mm. The mean cephalic index of the whole group is 75, with tribal variations running from 73.5 to 75.8. Very few Riffians are actually brachycephahc. Heads which are large in one dimension are usually large in the others; variation individually and tribally is more in size than in shape. In one tribe, Beni Said, the bulk of the series is composed of the imgharen, or members of the tribal council which was in session on the day of measuring; the heads of this august group have the remarkable dimensions, for North Africa, of 197 mm. by 148 mm. by 131 mm. To equal these diameters one would need normally to go to western Norway, to Ireland, or to the United States Senate. Some tribes have much smaller vaults, however; for example, Targuist, with 192 mm. by 144 mm. by 127 mm., has more typically Mediterranean or Nordic dimensions.

The faces of the Riffians are, as a rule, of moderate size; the total face height mean of the whole group is 124 mm., the bizygomatic 136 mm.; the minimum frontal and bigonial are both 106 mm. Tribally, the heights vary from 121 mm. to 131 mm.; the bizygomatics from 133 mm. to 140 mm.; the minimum frontal from 104 mm. to 109 mm.; and the bigonial from 104 mm. to 108 mm. The longest faces go with the tribesmen of the eastern Rif, who claim Zenatan ancestry; the shortest ones with the central tribes of purest Riffian tradition. The facial indices of these latter are mesoprosopic, the others leptoprosopic. The noses are largest and most leptorrhine (61-62) in the east, and smallest and least leptorrhine (64-65) in the west.

The Riffians are pinkish-white skinned, like northern Europeans, in 65 per cent of the total group, and in approximately 80 per cent in the central tribes. The exposed skin color is brick-red in many cases, being incapable of tanning; in others it is brunet-white or light brown in summer, and bleaches out again in winter. Freckles are found on 23 per cent of Riffians; this figure is approximate since some were measured in winter, others in the summer. The head hair is black in 44 per cent of the total, and dark to medium brown in 46 per cent; the others are reddish-brown or light brown; in a few cases, golden-blond. These last form less than 1 per cent of the whole, however. The beard is usually much lighter, being black in only 34 per cent of the total, dark or medium brown in 25 per cent, reddish-brown in 14 per cent, light brown in 19 per cent, and golden, ashen, or red in 8 per cent. Seventeen per cent of Riffians show some rufosity in beard color. Since the Riffians wear turbans, and since the few adults who still wear pigtails cover all but the ends of these, it is the beard color and not the head hair color which is responsible for the current idea of Riffian blondism. Furthermore the children, who go bareheaded, possess an infantile dominance of blondism, as among Europeans of mixed pigmentation. The blondest hair and beards are found in the central Rif, especially in the tribe of Beni Amart, where over 50 per cent of the men have beards light brown or lighter.

Fifty-seven per cent of Riffians have mixed or light eyes; of the remaining 43 per cent, dark brown is the commonest color. Green-brown is the commonest mixed form, then gray-brown and finally blue-brown: pure blue eyes account for only 2 per cent of the group, while only one man was observed with gray eyes. Unmatched eyes are common. In some tribes as few as 20 per cent are pure dark-eyed, in none more than 55 per cent. On the whole, blondism is strong in the Rif; over half of the adult men show some trace of it. But the Rif is not a blond country in the sense that Norway, Sweden, Finland, or even England are blond; it is, however, blonder than most of Spain or southern Italy.

The morphological features of the head and face vary tribally in the Rif, as well as individually; there is no such thing as a typical Ruffian. The hair form, however, is in all tribes wavy to ringlet-curly; it is never frizzly except among blacksmiths and other outsiders who are negroid, and who enter the Rif as tradesmen, to go out again when they have made enough money. The Riffians have as heavy beards as northwestern Europeans, and as heavy body hair in most cases; baldness, however, is rare.

Facially there are several well-differentiated types which can best be described separately. One is a long-faced, hook-nosed brunet or mixed pigment type commonest in the east, especially among the Nomads; this physiognomy is considered by the Riffians to be an importation of Zenatan or Arab inspiration. Another is a classic Mediterranean, with slightly sloping forehead, straight nasal profile, slightly elevated tip, moderate nasal wings and oval facial contour; this type is usually brunet; it is found everywhere, but especially in the central and western tribes. A third is a Nordic in the strictest morphological sense, usually with brown hair and mixed eyes, and a Ruffian Nordic could be mistaken for an Irishman or an Englishman, less easily for a Scandinavian.

A fourth is a large-bodied, large-headed type, tending to mesocephaly, with a prominent lambdoid flattening especially visible when the scalp is shaven; the face is broad, the orbits low, as one can easily discern from the narrow palpebral opening and the presence of median or external eyefolds; the nose is short, straight, or sometimes snubbed, the mouth large, the chin prominent, and the jaw heavy. The pigmentation is usually mixed, with brown or reddish hair, and light-mixed eyes. This type, without further discussion, is obviously a somewhat reduced modern survival of the old Crô-Magnon-like Afalou men. It is found principally among the oldest Ruffian families, and among tribal office-holders. It is not rare in the Rif, and its reemergence parallels in a minor sense the reemergence of the same or a similar type in northwestern Europe.

A smaller variant of this is considered by the Riffians themselves typical of the mountain Beni Urriaghel; short-statured, broad of build, with short, broad hands, freckled skin, reddish beard, bluish eyes, a short, wide face with a square jaw, and a snub nose. It is the prevalence of this last type, concentrated in the mountain knot between the Beni Urriaghel and Gzennaya, which has reduced the stature and facial dimensions of these two tribes as units. These men are the most archaic culturally and the most inveterate feud fighters in the whole Rif.''

[daedal1]

North african with visible SSA are a minority in north africa ...

and then a smaller minority in the gulf also going by that logic, but north africans are still blacker than gulf arabs.

[madridi4verrr]

and then a smaller minority in the gulf also going by that logic,
Possible ...

but north africans are still blacker than gulf arabs.
That's impossible .

[daedal1]

Possible ...

That's impossible .

North Africans have more SSA admix than gulf arabs do, so they are blacker.

[The King, I am]

Propaganda, Berbers can go from dark skinned to light skinned, they are usually dark when in Algeria of course since they are under the sun since they are born.
Notice the skin color when in a colder climate, oh and also, berbers have always had curly hair since the Numidia times:
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"real" Chaoui berbers:
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[The King, I am]

More chaoui berbers:
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[The King, I am]

More chaoui berbers:
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[madridi4verrr]

More chaoui berbers:
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Chaoui are southern moroccans , but still they look berberid + med admixture , only minor SSA

[Anonymous211]

bump

[Bagot]

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