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Fearless … and topless: Femen activists to bring 'sextremism' to the UK (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/femen-activists-uk-branch-feminism)
Femen ambushed Putin and invaded a catwalk. Now they plan to shock Britain into action over female genital mutilation
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Travel/Late_offers/pictures/2013/10/19/1382199167165/FEMEN-protest-against-EU--009.jpg
They started out in Ukraine, established a thriving headquarters in Paris and last year succeeded in ambushing a startled Vladimir Putin during a visit to a German trade fair. Now the controversial activists of Femen, notorious for their topless protests on issues such as prostitution, abortion and the wearing of the hijab, are planning to target Britain.
In London to promote a documentary on the group's activities, founder member and spokesperson Alexandra Shevchenko said Femen UK would focus on issues such as female genital mutilation (FGM), forced marriage and the sex industry. "No one is talking about FGM in England," she said. "People assume it is too violent and extreme to exist here, that it only happens in Africa and the Middle East, but the UK has some of the highest levels in the west."
The setting up of a new British arm of Femen's operations is likely to generate mixed feelings among indigenous feminist groups. A succession of high-profile topless protests since the group's formation in 2009 was greeted with bafflement and amusement by many observers, although given the heavy-handed treatment often meted out by bodyguards and police there is no doubting its members' courage.
According to the 25-year-old Shevchenko, Femen has no formal leadership, but hopes to establish a "homegrown" UK branch, built up from a base of British feminist activists, with whom she is in discussions this weekend.
Many Femen members have been exiled from Ukraine. From their base in Paris, where they made headlines recently by invading the catwalk at Paris fashion week, they hope to visit London to help train recruits for membership, which is about more than signing a form.
"Becoming a member of Femen takes more than just a few days," said Shevchenko. "You must be physically and psychologically prepared. Of course, you have to support our ideology as a starting point, but it is also a question of being fit in your body and mind to fight – to be arrested, struggle with police and jump fences. Our main enemy is patriarchy and its three manifestations – dictatorship, religion and the sex industry. These issues are universal."
Shevchenko attributes Femen's success in France, where it has its largest membership, to the long francophone tradition of protest and organised resistance. Can the same rebellious potential be tapped this side of the Channel?
"Britain is separate from the rest of the European Union and has its own social and historical character," said Shevchenko. "Unlike in Ukraine, there has already been a sexual revolution here and people know what feminism is. But I don't think our campaigns will be very different. Femen UK will be about action. Of course, there is no obvious dictatorship here, but rightwing extremists are on the rise in the form of nationalism all over Europe. Likewise, we have the conservative influence of Christianity and Islamism, and of course the sex industry is everywhere."
In the summer of 2012, the group staged a protest at London's City Hall against the participation of Islamist regimes in the Olympic Games, before being apprehended by police.
"Of course, it is not the Ukraine or Russia – the secret service will not try to kill you here," she said. "But there is not a big difference ultimately, because if you are trying to do sextremist actions that target important people, you will be arrested, recorded, tracked and banned from future protests."
Femen's campaigns against Islamism have incited hostility from Muslim and non-Muslim women, alongside charges of xenophobia and cultural imperialism.
Femen UK would, according to Shevchenko, be an addition to, not a substitute for, other forms of feminist campaigning in Britain. She claimed that there is an appetite among young women all over Europe for a new, more dynamic form of resistance.
"There is real feminist pride in the UK, which is why Femen appeals to women. But many are becoming disappointed with classical feminism, which is like library feminism," she said. "Of course, we still need those who make theory, but feminism should be like an army, with different departments. Femen is like the commanders taking the frontline to remove the mask and show the ugly sexist face of society."
The UK premiere of an acclaimed documentary entitled Ukraine is Not a Brothel, by Australian director Kitty Green, was screened as part of the 2013 BFI film festival. The film made international headlines in September following its world premiere at the Venice film festival, where it revealed the role of a Ukrainian man, Victor Svyatski, as the alleged leader of Femen.
Prisoner Of Ice
10-21-2013, 11:57 PM
Hopefully muslims will stab a few and put it to a halt. They really are some stupid, vicious nujobs. They spray sperm on christians when they have an outing. They should be put in prison for rape for that.
Methusalem
10-22-2013, 12:03 AM
Hopefully muslims will stab a few and put it to a halt. They really are some stupid, vicious nujobs. They spray sperm on christians when they have an outing. They should be put in prison for rape for that.
:thumb001:
Melina
10-22-2013, 12:09 AM
Hopefully muslims will stab a few and put it to a halt. They really are some stupid, vicious nujobs. They spray sperm on christians when they have an outing. They should be put in prison for rape for that.
They are pretty nasty. Degenerates like that shouldn't roam on the streets freely. If they are against issues of abortion,prostitution and other things like that they should do it in a different manner. People wouldn't take them seriously, if they act that way.
Prisoner Of Ice
10-22-2013, 12:11 AM
They are pretty nasty. Degenerates like that shouldn't roam on the streets freely. If they are against issues of abortion,prostitution and other things like that they should do it in a different manner. People wouldn't take them seriously, if they act that way.
I think they are FOR prostitution, and all kinds of stupid crap. Whatever their politics they don't have any right to behave like they do - they should all be behind bars.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 12:11 AM
Sick fucks
Am I the only one who likes them? :confused:
Baluarte
10-22-2013, 01:30 AM
And all of them financed by Soros and Co.
Amina, their Tunisian ethnic token resigned shortly after he knew who finances the group.
Shah-Jehan
10-22-2013, 01:31 AM
Am I the only one who likes them? :confused:
Aunt Hilda does too probably...
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 01:31 AM
FEMEN is horrible most feminist circles can't stand them either
FEMEN is horrible most feminist circles can't stand them either
They are only horrible to people who are afraid of seeing some boobs in public.
Baluarte
10-22-2013, 01:37 AM
Aunt Hilda does too probably...
Certainly. Everybody knows what Ke$ha stands for.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 01:40 AM
They are only horrible to people who are afraid of seeing some boobs in public.
No its there politics and the origin of the groups formation/selection of activists; its more than boobs but like most common people that is all whats talked about
Certainly. Everybody knows what Ke$ha stands for.
Are low, repetitive insults all you are capable of? I think Aunt Hilda has more balls than you have.
No its there politics and the origin of the groups formation/selection of activists; its more than boobs but like most common people that is all whats talked about
They protest about real, relevant issues. In this instance, female circumcision ... which is a far greater evil than Femen.
Baluarte
10-22-2013, 01:45 AM
And all of them financed by Soros and Co.
Amina, their Tunisian ethnic token resigned shortly after he knew who finances the group.
Forgot to add a source.
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Amina Sboui Quits Femen Over ‘Islamophobia’ and Asks about ‘Israeli’ Funding.
http://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/amina-sboui-quits-femen-over-islamophobia-and-asks-about-israeli-funding/
I don’t know how the movement is financed. I asked Inna several times, but I didn’t get a clear answer. I don’t want to be in a movement supported by dubious money. What if it is financed by Israel? I want to know.
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"”According to Russia Today, the Russian television news network, in Russia and Ukraine, FEMEN-linked protest groups funded by Jewish benefactors, including hedge fund tycoon George Soros and the Brooklyn-born publisher of the Kyiv Post Jed Sunden, have chain sawed crosses and committed acts of hooliganism inside churches. One such gang, the feminist group FEMEN, offered $188 to anyone who cut down a cross. There were reports of crosses being chain sawed across Russia and Ukraine. The FEMEN group videotaped a large cross erected by the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church being toppled in a park in Kyiv. Three female punk rockers with the group “Pussy Riot” were convicted of hooliganism for conducting an anti-Christian demonstration laced with profanity at Christ the Savior Cathedral in Moscow. FEMEN protesters disrupted services at St. Sophia Cathedral in Kyiv. FEMEN activists have staged chainsaw beheadings of Russian President Vladimir Putin, Pope Benedict XVI, and Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill I. FEMEN activists also staged a lewd protest at the famous Hagia Sofia Mosque in Istanbul."
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Always Orthodox and Catholic churches, and mosques occasionally.
George Soros is a better man than I thought he was then. Good cause for his money.
Kazimiera
10-22-2013, 01:49 AM
I like them too. If nothing else, they have bigger balls than most men.
Naked boobs in the middle of a city makes newspaper headlines. It is a good marketing strategy because like it or not, it grabs you. I mean, how many of us DON'T know who Femen are? The fact that we've all heard of them and their protests, as well as having been subjected to pictures of their boobs means that they must be doing something right.
Do other groups who "do it by the book" get anywhere near as much attention? No ways. Naked boobs and protests accompanied by arrests ALWAYS make the headlines. So, are they being effective in drawing attention to these topics? Yes, I do think so. Although I don't know how successful they are in achieving real life results.
MarkyMark
10-22-2013, 01:52 AM
I like them too. If nothing else, they have bigger balls than most men.
Naked boobs in the middle of a city makes newspaper headlines. It is a good marketing strategy because like it or not, it grabs you. I mean, how many of us DON'T know who Femen are? The fact that we've all heard of them and their protests, as well as having been subjected to pictures of their boobs means that they must be doing something right.
Do other groups who "do it by the book" get anywhere near as much attention? No ways. Naked boobs and protests accompanied by arrests ALWAYS make the headlines. So, are they being effective in drawing attention to these topics? Yes, I do think so. Although I don't know how successful they are in achieving real life results.
Correlation, not causation. They aren't well known for actually achieving women's rights(they are a few years late for that), they are well known for stripping. Which theoretically only appeals to the sex driven brains of men rather than logic.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 01:54 AM
They protest about real, relevant issues. In this instance, female circumcision ... which is a far greater evil than Femen.
Why don't they go do something to stop it. How does protesting naked do anything?
Correlation, not causation. They aren't well known for actually achieving women's rights(they are a few years late for that), they are well known for stripping. Which theoretically only appeals to the sex driven brains of men rather than logic.
What's wrong with stripping for a cause? Only Muzzies and crypto-Muzzies (and medieval-minded Cat-holics) have a problem with it.
Why don't they go do something to stop it. How does protesting naked do anything?
It reaches news headlines quite effectively, and thus raises awareness. Never heard of publicity?
Stripping has no real cause. Thus to pair the two together isn't necessary. Just go to a strip club. Or the internet.
Publicity has a cause. Are you afraid of the female body?
alb0zfinest
10-22-2013, 01:56 AM
Why don't they go do something to stop it. How does protesting naked do anything?
It gives boners.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 01:57 AM
They protest about real, relevant issues. In this instance, female circumcision ... which is a far greater evil than Femen.
Their creation is a wealthy Zionist who hand selects pretty white female college students who are poor from Central Europe to prance around; teaching them paternalistic and racialist forms of second wave feminism all as a guide for shock valued islamophobia.
So what you have is a male lead organization that's base are exploited young women selected for their beauty to display themselves is such a way to continue the notion that the female body has shock value and is valued on arbitrary male notions of attractiveness, speaking about their form of feminism and their desire to "save" Muslim women from themselves and their faith completely erasing governmental and grassroots non-profit organizations for and by muslim women to end FGM and female discrimination in their respective lands.
Most who are privy to Feminist literature and ideology no matter how esoteric it may seem saw through the ruse but only when Muslim feminists/Third World Feminists from around the World came together to basically tell them to piss off with their White Savior complexes
Kazimiera
10-22-2013, 01:57 AM
Correlation, not causation. They aren't well known for actually achieving women's rights(they are a few years late for that), they are well known for stripping. Which theoretically only appeals to the sex driven brains of men rather than logic.
Appeals to the sex driven brains of men - EXACTLY this.
Women's rights is always associated with old, lesbian man-hating hags (most often Jewish) who have hairy armpits. These girls aren't old and they don't have hairy armpits. Which gives them quite a contemporary edge. If anything, they draw attention.
MarkyMark
10-22-2013, 01:58 AM
Publicity has a cause. Are you afraid of the female body?
Nope. My internet history is a testament to that. I just believe that political, social, and economic issues should be based strictly on the principle rather than popularity contests which dictates the American president every 4 years. Don't mix popularity with principle. It's always a bad thing in my mind.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 01:59 AM
It reaches news headlines quite effectively, and thus raises awareness. Never heard of publicity?
It's not helping anyone, why don't they actually do something useful for example being civil and rational and stop act like idiots no one is going to take them serious.
Yes them protesting naked and acting like morons is going to stop rape, female circumcision etc..
Their creation is a wealthy Zionist who hand selects pretty white female college students who are poor from Central Europe to prance around; teaching them paternalistic and racialist forms of second wave feminism all as a guide for shock valued islamophobia.
So what you have is a male lead organization that's base are exploited young women selected for their beauty to display themselves is such a way to continue the notion that the female body has shock value and is valued on arbitrary male notions of attractiveness, speaking about their form of feminism and their desire to "save" Muslim women from themselves and their faith completely erasing governmental and grassroots non-profit organizations for and by muslim women to end FGM and female discrimination in their respective lands.
Most who are privy to Feminist literature and ideology no matter how esoteric it may seem saw through the ruse but only when Muslim feminists/Third World Feminists from around the World came together to basically tell them to piss off with their White Savior complexes
And? What exactly is the problem with that?
It's not helping anyone, why don't they actually do something useful for example being civil and rational and stop act like idiots no one is going to take them serious.
Yes them protesting naked and acting like morons is going to stop rape, female circumcision etc..
Of course it is a way to raise awareness. I still fail to see why it is so wrong. If you don't like it, then don't attend the protests.
Nope. My internet history is a testament to that. I just believe that political, social, and economic issues should be based strictly on the principle rather than popularity contests which dictates the American president every 4 years. Don't mix popularity with principle. It's always a bad thing in my mind.
Sorry, I don't understand your point.
MarkyMark
10-22-2013, 02:03 AM
Sorry, I don't understand your point.
If you want to advance women's rights it should be because you truly believe that women deserve rights. Not because you got a boner.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 02:04 AM
And? What exactly is the problem with that?
It's the antithesis of feminism which FEMEN is trying to brand itself as.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 02:04 AM
Of course it is a way to raise awareness. I still fail to see why it is so wrong. If you don't like it, then don't attend the protests.
By exploiting themselves. I just don't like the way they're going about it. They're mocked and looked at as a joke.
If you want to advance women's rights it should be because you truly believe that women deserve rights. Not because you got a boner.
Femen activists don't have boners, they are women.
Strange that you argue the same way as I expected a Muslim would. You're not so different from your Muslim Syrian brethren, after all ... in culture.
By exploiting themselves. I just don't like the way they're going about it. They're mocked and looked at as a joke.
They see it as a sacrifice for a good cause. I respect their bravery immensely.
It's the antithesis of feminism which FEMEN is trying to brand itself as.
No it is not. A Muslim woman covered up is the antithesis of feminism.
MarkyMark
10-22-2013, 02:08 AM
Femen activists don't have boners, they are women.
Strange that you argue the same way as I expected a Muslim would. You're not so different from your Muslim Syrian brethren, after all ... in culture.
No this is from the perspective of a man. Their demonstrations are to get the support of men, such as you, because they know they can get your support because of your attraction to them. But your attraction to them shouldn't dictate whether or not you want to give women rights. Whether or not you want women to gain rights should be based off of the fact that you hold ideals such as equality dear to your heart.
If you are comparing me to Muslims you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm all for equality. But the way Femen does it is by manipulating peoples sex drives rather than actually convincing people equality is a good thing. Now you understand?
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 02:11 AM
No it is not. A Muslim woman covered up is the antithesis of feminism.
What the fuck? Feminism is about the agency of women it is just as much a woman's right to cover up as it is to strip down.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 02:11 AM
No this is from the perspective of a man. Their demonstrations are to get the support of men, such as you, because they know they can get your support because of your attraction to them. But your attraction to them shouldn't dictate whether or not you want to give women rights. Whether or not you want women to gain rights should be based off of the fact that you hold ideals such as equality dear to your heart.
If you are comparing me to Muslims you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm all for equality. But the way Femen does it is by manipulating peoples sex drives rather than actually convincing people equality is a good thing. Now you understand?
+1
Loki this is what I was trying to say
Graham
10-22-2013, 02:11 AM
Any excuse to get your boobs out in public. What if men starting protesting events, by waving their dicks about. It would would look silly because it is silly.
Does it focus on the issue? Or the protest itself.
No this is from the perspective of a man. Their demonstrations are to get the support of men, such as you, because they know they can get your support because of your attraction to them. But your attraction to them shouldn't dictate whether or not you want to give women rights. Whether or not you want women to gain rights should be based off of the fact that you hold ideals such as equality dear to your heart.
If you are comparing me to Muslims you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm all for equality. But the way Femen does it is by manipulating peoples sex drives rather than actually convincing people equality is a good thing. Now you understand?
This has nothing to do with sex drives. Only men who are pervs would get horny when looking at a Femen protest. Breasts are natural parts of our bodies. Muzzies and wannabe-Muzzies like yourself can't understand it, though.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 02:12 AM
They see it as a sacrifice for a good cause. I respect their bravery immensely.
You should read some books from Naomi wolf
What the fuck? Feminism is about the agency of women it is just as much a woman's right to cover up as it is to strip down.
Muslim women who cover up are oppressed. Fact.
Baluarte
10-22-2013, 02:13 AM
Last year, during the short-lived hype regarding the band "Pussy Riot" (shortly replaced by FEMEN as leading shock feminist pseudo-movement), Dugin dissected the real origin of the issue.
Of course, some differences do exist regarding the extent and strategy (music vs flashmob, restricted idol-like membership vs anonymous mob etc), but I think the essence is pretty much the exact same thing.
I recommend it:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7ZxASNII5g
MarkyMark
10-22-2013, 02:14 AM
This has nothing to do with sex drives. Only men who are pervs would get horny when looking at a Femen protest. Breasts are natural parts of our bodies. Muzzies and wannabe-Muzzies like yourself can't understand it, though.
Why exactly do you like them? They are loud, disruptive, and unpleasant just like other radicals.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 02:15 AM
This has nothing to do with sex drives. Only men who are pervs would get horny when looking at a Femen protest. Breasts are natural parts of our bodies. Muzzies and wannabe-Muzzies like yourself can't understand it, though.
The very fact that media is eating up this "sexy feminism" is testament to the commodification of female bodies in a male dominated media. One does not have to be horned or aroused it is the very act of sexualization and the resulting shock they are relying on to get average joe to support them.
Baluarte
10-22-2013, 02:15 AM
Muslim women who cover up are oppressed. Fact.
xD
Last year, during the short-lived hype regarding the band "Pussy Riot" (shortly replaced by FEMEN as leading shock feminist pseudo-movement), Dugin dissected the real origin of the issue.
Of course, some differences do exist regarding the extent and strategy (music vs flashmob, restricted idol-like membership vs anonymous mob etc), but I think the essence is pretty much the exact same thing.
I recommend it:
`
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7ZxASNII5g
Nice strawman. Femen is NOT Pussy Riot.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 02:20 AM
Muslim women who cover up are oppressed. Fact.
So a woman's choice and desire for modesty and observance is oppression?
I guess you as man can speak more "truth" about women more than they can themselves. :rolleyes:
Shah-Jehan
10-22-2013, 02:21 AM
Take Putin as a role model, he wouldn't like Femen...
The very fact that media is eating up this "sexy feminism" is testament to the commodification of female bodies in a male dominated media. One does not have to be horned or aroused it is the very act of sexualization and the resulting shock they are relying on to get average joe to support them.
Let me guess. You'd prefer to see women like this:
http://www.dici.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/burka_graduation.jpg
So a woman's choice and desire for modesty and observance is oppression?
I guess you as man can speak more "truth" about women more than they can themselves. :rolleyes:
It's hardly a woman's choice. It's mostly their men forcing them into doing that.
MarkyMark
10-22-2013, 02:23 AM
So the only difference between FEMEN and other womens rights groups is that femen gets naked and loud, and you say you support them based on something I can't understand because I want to be Muslim.... I think I'm done in this thread.
Why exactly do you like them? They are loud, disruptive, and unpleasant just like other radicals.
They speak out against evils like female circumcision, and raise awareness. I support them.
Anyway, I'm off to bed my dear Muzzies and wannabe-Muzzies.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 02:24 AM
Let me guess. You'd prefer to see women like this:
http://www.dici.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/burka_graduation.jpg
They do that to preserve their beauty for only their husbands :rolleyes::laugh:
Shah-Jehan
10-22-2013, 02:24 AM
They speak out against evils like female circumcision, and raise awareness. I support them.
Anyway, I'm off to bed my dear Muzzies and wannabe-Muzzies.
Are you drunk or what?
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 02:25 AM
Are you drunk or what?
He just needs a good nights sleep
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 02:26 AM
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/femen.png :thumb001:
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 02:28 AM
It's hardly a woman's choice. It's mostly their men forcing them into doing that.
Really? Rather than calling out governments who are enforcing modesty in dress codes and hijabs as they should have, they have made it seem like this is a global problem and any woman who chooses to cover her head or her body isn’t actually doing it by choice, but is being forced to. FEMEN and people like you have ridiculed the millions of women who do wear hijabs and cover their bodies out of choice by making it seem like they’re too naïve to know any better.
Baluarte
10-22-2013, 02:29 AM
^^ You can be the British version of Eloïse Bouton. FEMEN local spokesperson by day, call girl by night
http://24heuresactu.com/2012/11/27/la-porte-parole-francaise-des-femen-est-une-prostituee-videos/
Really? Rather than calling out governments who are enforcing modesty in dress codes and hijabs as they should have, they have made it seem like this is a global problem and any woman who chooses to cover her head or her body isn’t actually doing it by choice, but is being forced to. FEMEN and people like you have ridiculed the millions of women who do wear hijabs and cover their bodies out of choice by making it seem like they’re too naïve to know any better.
They deserve to be ridiculed.
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 02:30 AM
http://media.tumblr.com/4c719a91e00939d6019623897badb7e2/tumblr_inline_mok8wkx7ru1qz4rgp.gif
Han Cholo
10-22-2013, 02:30 AM
I would like to see Femen protesting in Saudi Arabia.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 02:31 AM
http://media.tumblr.com/4c719a91e00939d6019623897badb7e2/tumblr_inline_mok8wkx7ru1qz4rgp.gif
Not in a billion years :)
I would like to see Femen protesting in Saudi Arabia.
The day will come.
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 02:32 AM
Not in a billion years :)
like you have a choice.
MarkyMark
10-22-2013, 02:33 AM
My opinion of what normal clothes should be in terms of length:
http://yearshopping.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/In-Front-Womens-Long-Sleeve-Wrap-Dress-Blue-Grass.jpg
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/556513348/Women-Beach-Dress-Sexy-Maxi-Boho-Long-Dress-Summer-Sundress-free-shipping-3704.jpg
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/545747806_1/Free-Shipping-New-Arrival-Women-Floral-Long-Dress-Womens-Dresses-Full-Length-Bohemian-Flower-Printing-2012.jpg
http://yearshopping.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/In-Front-Womens-Long-Sleeve-Color-block-Wrap-Dress-Charcoal-Combo.jpg
Hardly 'Muzzie'.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 02:33 AM
like you have a choice. keep dreaming sweety :p
There are some guys on this forum who definitely deserve to be titty-whipped.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 02:34 AM
They deserve to be ridiculed.
You sir are no better than the douchebag who is exploiting women and slandering others just because you dislike Islam.
My opinion of what normal clothes should be in terms of length:
Hardly 'Muzzie'.
LOL you are as prudish as any Muslim. Typical Middle-Easterner mindset. You're little different from Arabs, sadly.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 02:35 AM
I was watching American dad. Stan was in the strip club and the strippers there said it empowers women :laugh:
Shah-Jehan
10-22-2013, 02:36 AM
Loki correct me if I am wrong, don't you think "miscegnation" is immoral and wrong and unnatural or whatever, which is actually a natural process in the human world while movements such as this are only a corruption made on society...
You sir are no better than the douchebag who is exploiting women and slandering others just because you dislike Islam.
There is a reason why I dislike some things ... like for example oppression. No religion is 'sacred' enough not to be criticized. I don't even believe there is a god.
Loki correct me if I am wrong, don't you think "miscegnation" is immoral and wrong and unnatural or whatever, which is actually a natural process in the human world while movements such as this are only a corruption made on society...
No, I don't.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 02:37 AM
My opinion of what normal clothes should be in terms of length:
http://yearshopping.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/In-Front-Womens-Long-Sleeve-Wrap-Dress-Blue-Grass.jpg
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/556513348/Women-Beach-Dress-Sexy-Maxi-Boho-Long-Dress-Summer-Sundress-free-shipping-3704.jpg
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/545747806_1/Free-Shipping-New-Arrival-Women-Floral-Long-Dress-Womens-Dresses-Full-Length-Bohemian-Flower-Printing-2012.jpg
http://yearshopping.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/In-Front-Womens-Long-Sleeve-Color-block-Wrap-Dress-Charcoal-Combo.jpg
Hardly 'Muzzie'.
Yes for women with self respect and pride but I do like girls with short shorts and leggings :rolleyes:
Shah-Jehan
10-22-2013, 02:38 AM
LOL you are as prudish as any Muslim. Typical Middle-Easterner mindset. You're little different from Arabs, sadly.
LOL Loki, what's the difference between you and some other Islamophobe or Nazi when you judge an ethnic group of 400 million+ without even meeting substantial amounts of them?
MarkyMark
10-22-2013, 02:39 AM
Yes for women with self respect and pride but I do like girls with short shorts and leggings :rolleyes:
I concur. For purely scientific purposes of course.
LOL Loki, what's the difference between you and some other Islamophobe or Nazi when you judge an ethnic group of 400 million+ without even meeting substantial amounts of them?
I'm not judging the ethnic group, but judging their oppressive traditions. And their numbers are irrelevant. 20 or 400 million, it doesn't matter.
MarkyMark
10-22-2013, 02:41 AM
Reddit thread on FEMEN: http://www.reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/comments/p3ar4/how_i_became_a_protestor_femen_ragensfw_boobies/
Scroll down and one commenter says
upvote because boobs; obviously.
Sounds a lot like they support them because they are attracted to boobs. Oh and that comment has over 60 upvotes.
Shah-Jehan
10-22-2013, 02:42 AM
I'm not judging the ethnic group, but judging their oppressive traditions. And their numbers are irrelevant. 20 or 400 million, it doesn't matter.
All ethnic groups have traditions, oppressive or not, even Afrikaners did remember...?
All ethnic groups have traditions, oppressive or not, even Afrikaners did remember...?
Yes, and I don't support any of it.
Reddit thread on FEMEN: http://www.reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/comments/p3ar4/how_i_became_a_protestor_femen_ragensfw_boobies/
Scroll down and one commenter says
Sounds a lot like they support them because they are attracted to boobs. Oh and that comment has over 60 upvotes.
You can't take a joke? Probably 14-year old kiddies on the internet anyway.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 02:49 AM
There is a reason why I dislike some things ... like for example oppression. No religion is 'sacred' enough not to be criticized. I don't even believe there is a god.
No one is saying not to criticize the oppression of religious leaders and practitioners but you are not trying to create a safe space and voice for Hijabis your merely trying to slander Islam and its believers but your hiding behind " western liberation".
That is just gross atleast just be out with it and not hide behind false support for feminism.
Prisoner Of Ice
10-22-2013, 02:57 AM
If they are really serious about it, go protest over there. Unless you are going to invade them and force them to stop there's no reason to worry about it.
Black Wolf
10-22-2013, 03:00 AM
Idiotic feminists...I agree with the topless protesting though.
Kazimiera
10-22-2013, 05:47 AM
Sadly, this very thread is testament to Femen's successes and failings.
Looking at the original article, Femen were going to protest in the UK regarding female genital multilation.
They have succeeded quite well in grabbing the attention of users on this forum. Nearly 90 replies in only a few hours. Not bad, compared to a lot of other threads. As far as getting the attention of bystanders goes: GREAT SUCCESS.
Has anyone in this thread yet mentioned female genital mutilation or its implications on the physical, psychological and emotional well-being of women? No. :(
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 05:51 AM
Sadly, this very thread is testament to Femen's successes and failings.
Looking at the original article, Femen were going to protest in the UK regarding female genital multilation.
They have succeeded quite well in grabbing the attention of users on this forum. Nearly 90 replies in only a few hours. Not bad, compared to a lot of other threads. As far as getting the attention of bystanders goes: GREAT SUCCESS.
Has anyone in this thread yet mentioned female genital mutilation or its implications on the physical, psychological and emotional well-being of women? No. :(
I did and I said how's them expolioiting their bodies going to fix anything why can't they make themselves useful and go to the Middle East and Africa where the real problems for women are and try to fix the problem?
No one is saying not to criticize the oppression of religious leaders and practitioners but you are not trying to create a safe space and voice for Hijabis your merely trying to slander Islam and its believers but your hiding behind " western liberation".
That is just gross atleast just be out with it and not hide behind false support for feminism.
It was you who were trying to slander women with naked breasts here, my friend.
Has anyone in this thread yet mentioned female genital mutilation or its implications on the physical, psychological and emotional well-being of women? No. :(
Because the posters who focused on the breasts instead of the message intended are either pervs, prudes or downright anti-woman chauvinists.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 08:21 AM
Sadly, this very thread is testament to Femen's successes and failings.
Looking at the original article, Femen were going to protest in the UK regarding female genital multilation.
They have succeeded quite well in grabbing the attention of users on this forum. Nearly 90 replies in only a few hours. Not bad, compared to a lot of other threads. As far as getting the attention of bystanders goes: GREAT SUCCESS.
Has anyone in this thread yet mentioned female genital mutilation or its implications on the physical, psychological and emotional well-being of women? No. :(
I did
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 08:24 AM
It was you who were trying to slander women with naked breasts here, my friend.
No I didn't, I slandered the dude who is commodifying exploitable women and using their sexuality as a means of pushing islamophobic rhetoric under the guise of liberation feminism :coffee:
No I didn't, I slandered the dude who is commodifying exploitable women and using their sexuality as a means of pushing islamophobic rhetoric under the guise of liberation feminism :coffee:
You have double standards: When Femen women expose their breasts, it's their boss' fault. But when women wear burkas, it's their 'own choice'.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 08:29 AM
You have double standards: When Femen women expose their breasts, it's their boss' fault. But when women wear burkas, it's their 'own choice'.
No I am saying a man selecting conventionally attractive, young students to force the wrong type of dialogue is fucked up while the voices of actual Muslim women are being eclipsed.
There are grassroots organization dedicated to ending government enforced head covering while still supporting the choices of hijabis and they are doing it in a way that for the most part is in the context of their respective cultures as well as FGM abolition.
No I am saying a man selecting conventionally attractive, young students to force the wrong type of dialogue is fucked up while the voices of actual Muslim women are being eclipsed.
There are grassroots organization dedicated to ending government enforced head covering while still supporting the choices of hijabis and they are doing it in a way that for the most part is in the context of their respective cultures as well as FGM abolition.
How is it the wrong type of dialogue?
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 08:40 AM
How is it the wrong type of dialogue?
1. Its taking the Muslim Woman out of the dialogue about Muslim women
2. Its confusing gender liberation with western paternalism
3. Its forcing western norms and ideals on another culture
4. Ignoring and enforcing the stereotype of the Muslim Woman as mindless, without agency, unable to speak on their own situation
1. Its taking the Muslim Woman out of the dialogue about Muslim women
2. Its confusing gender liberation with western paternalism
3. Its forcing western norms and ideals on another culture
4. Ignoring and enforcing the stereotype of the Muslim Woman as mindless, without agency, unable to speak on their own situation
Do you deny then that rules about Muslim wear for women are given by Muslim men? There are no women involved in the 'dialogue'. Their husbands and fathers (and imams) tell them what is considered to be 'modest'. Women in Islam have little to no say in the matter. They just have to obey.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 09:10 AM
Do you deny then that rules about Muslim wear for women are given by Muslim men? There are no women involved in the 'dialogue'. Their husbands and fathers (and imams) tell them what is considered to be 'modest'. Women in Islam have little to no say in the matter. They just have to obey.
Its a holy book if this was a debate about Abrahamic Relgion in general we could talk about the patriarchal underpinnings of religion but because I won't go there and you are specifically trying to show an inherent form of Sexism exclusive to Islam suffice to say a man writing a book and dictating rules to other men and women is called history.
Secondly head covering is not and has never been universal in the entire Muslim World
Thirdly OUR SOCIETY IS ONE IN WHICH MEN STILL LARGELY DICTATE MORALITY AND OUR SENSE OF MODESTY AND OUR SEXUAL MORALITY IS ONE BASED ON A CONTRADICTION OF THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN RELIGION AND OVER-SEXUALIZATION OF THE FEMALE BODY AT THE DETRIMENT OF WOMEN'S SOCIAL WORTH
So don't even
Thirdly women are speaking and leading if you actually took time to do even a google search you'd be well aware of this fact
Fourthly sexual and gender minorities do have agency and make choices I am not saying every woman does, I am not saying every woman in a covering wants to be in one I am saying women are fighting for their rights to wear hijabis openly in France, I am saying women have been fighting for their rights to wear what they please in Turkey and Eygpt and Tunisia & among other lands and places and that is their right to do so and you as a anti-Islamist male have no business telling them what is best and not your overbearing imperialist and orientalist notions of them.
Respecting women's choices of their bodies is feminist, trying to censor that is not under any circumstance for the benefit of women everywhere and is certainly not feminism!
Its a holy book
... written by insecure men to oppress women. There's nothing 'holy' about it.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 09:18 AM
... written by insecure men to oppress women. There's nothing 'holy' about it.
So, I say that about the Torah everyday
Doesn't stop me from saying what is right and what is not for me
So, I say that about the Torah everyday
Doesn't stop me from saying what is right and what is not for me
For you, yes. Leave women alone then who are fighting for their freedom and those of their oppressed sisters in the Islamic world.
KidMulat
10-22-2013, 09:25 AM
For you, yes. Leave women alone then who are fighting for their freedom and those of their oppressed sisters in the Islamic world.
No I will not, I support MUSLIM WOMEN talking about and working towards THE RIGHTS OF MUSLIM WOMEN.
That is what we non-Muslims in support of modesty laws should be doing, supporting Muslim women saying "We must do our own work"
These girls are fucking props and it saddens me because they are being taught that they are helping and really they are just pissing off the women they claim they want to "save"
No I will not, I support MUSLIM WOMEN talking about and working towards THE RIGHTS OF MUSLIM WOMEN.
That is what we non-Muslims in support of modesty laws should be doing, supporting Muslim women saying "We must do our own work"
These girls are fucking props and it saddens me because they are being taught that they are helping and really they are just pissing off the women they claim they want to "save"
You don't support the rights of Muslim women, anymore than a slaveowner "supports the rights" of his slaves.
Grenzland
10-22-2013, 11:31 AM
They protest about real, relevant issues. In this instance, female circumcision ... which is a far greater evil than Femen.
Then they should demonstrate in Africa!
Then they should demonstrate in Africa!
This stuff happens in London dude ... surprise surprise.
cally
10-22-2013, 12:00 PM
Seems a bit immature to me- like high schools girls gone mad. I can't take them seriously.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/femen.png :thumb001:
can u organize some forum protest against Loki's dictatorship
gregorius
10-22-2013, 12:36 PM
Dado waddup bro
Why don't they call themselves SEMEN?
gregorius
10-22-2013, 12:46 PM
FEMEN!!!
morski
10-22-2013, 01:24 PM
Why don't they call themselves SEMEN?
Semen is a Russian male name.
robar
10-22-2013, 01:45 PM
But what the hell feminist about this? They do not think that we males actually enjoy seeing naked woman?:rolleyes:
But what the hell feminist about this? They do not think that we males actually enjoy seeing naked woman?:rolleyes:
It's the ones who don't like seeing boobs in public (like muzzies and wannabe-muzzies) that are offended. And they are the target of offence anyway.
Grenzland
10-22-2013, 04:00 PM
This stuff happens in London dude ... surprise surprise.
By people who don't care for Femen...
YeshAtid
10-22-2013, 04:24 PM
It seems only the muzzies want to curtail women's rights, How surprising:rolleyes:
Grenzland
10-22-2013, 06:15 PM
Who the hell thinks anyway that Femen are a real political group?
What do they even stand for?
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 06:17 PM
Who the hell thinks anyway that Femen are a real political group?
What do they even stand for?watch this
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/vice-news/femen-sextremism-in-paris
Prisoner Of Ice
10-22-2013, 06:22 PM
Who the hell thinks anyway that Femen are a real political group?
What do they even stand for?
Stupid people. They are financed by george soros, and they spray semen on people. Their purpose is to disrupt real political gatherings, especially religious ones, not to do any politics themselves.
If they were serious go protest to the african muslims who perform the gentical mutilation, don't disrupt the organizations of the few people who actually want to stop such practices. 100% fraud.
Grenzland
10-22-2013, 06:22 PM
watch this
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/vice-news/femen-sextremism-in-paris
Well I just watched 10 seconds and I don't take them serious already.
Right wing extremists in France are Renouveau français and Nouvelle Droite, not the Front National.
They don't even know their political enemies.
Rudel
10-22-2013, 06:23 PM
Shevchenko attributes Femen's success in France, where it has its largest membership, to the long francophone tradition of protest and organised resistance. Can the same rebellious potential be tapped this side of the Channel?
"Success" ? Most people who know about them hate them, they're widely considered as fascist with boobs and Shevchenko is not uncommonly referred to as "that Ukrainian whore".
Grenzland
10-22-2013, 06:26 PM
Haha Femen get paid by rich old men! :lol:
Oh that's so feminist.... :D
Caismeachd
10-22-2013, 06:29 PM
I don't really understand how running around naked and acting borderline psychotic is meant to prove anything. If anything they are just proving that women have no sense.
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 06:29 PM
Well I just watched 10 seconds and I don't take them serious already.
why am I not surprised you don't actually care about what they have to say.
Styggnacke
10-22-2013, 06:33 PM
I truly hate these sluts.
I truly hate these sluts.
That's right. Let the butthurt flow through you haters. It means the message is getting through.
GO FEMEN!!
Haha Femen get paid by rich old men! :lol:
Oh that's so feminist.... :D
If I was rich I would have donated millions to Femen as well. It's a good cause.
larali
10-22-2013, 06:56 PM
I don't like FEMEN but I agree with their stance on the issues listed in the OP. So go them.
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 06:59 PM
If I was rich I would have donated millions to Femen as well. It's a good cause.what a waste of money
Pjeter Pan
10-22-2013, 07:00 PM
That's right. Let the butthurt flow through you haters. It means the message is getting through.
GO FEMEN!! no one here is Butthurt expect you :) can't you see everyone here disagrees with you expect aunt Hilda
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 07:03 PM
can't you see everyone here disagrees with you expect aunt Hilda
bullshit
no one here is Butthurt expect you :) can't you see everyone here disagrees with you expect aunt Hilda
1. I'm not butthurt.
2. I don't mind if I'm the only one in the world who agrees with Aunt Hilda, if I feel it's the right thing to do. I'm not swayed by peer pressure or the lure of having a "popular" opinion. I've always been like that. If it means going against the stream, I will.
Styggnacke
10-22-2013, 07:10 PM
2. I don't mind if I'm the only one in the world who agrees with Aunt Hilda, if I feel it's the right thing to do. I'm not swayed by peer pressure or the lure of having a "popular" opinion. I've always been like that. If it means going against the stream, I will.
Liking Femen is hardly a controversial or "unpopular" opinion.
Liking Femen is hardly a controversial or "unpopular" opinion.
It is, at least on this forum.
Grenzland
10-22-2013, 07:37 PM
why am I not surprised you don't actually care about what they have to say.
Nobody does! :D
And yes I don't care for them. They are just ridiculous. What did they to gain my respect? I even prefer Leninists to them, they actually say: "We are right, everybody else is our enemy. We don't discuss, we just fight!"
Way more likeable than women that protest half naked (why not naked anyway? :( ) against sexism.
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 07:39 PM
Way more likeable than women that protest half naked (why not naked anyway? :( ) against sexism.
they're not ''half-naked''. they're just not hiding their breasts.
Grenzland
10-22-2013, 07:40 PM
they're not ''half-naked''. they're just not hiding their breasts.
Ah sorry! :D
My bad... :lol:
http://www.bz-berlin.de/multimedia/archive/00447/femen4_44727218.jpg
Unfortunately they sent their second choice to Germany! :mad:
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 07:43 PM
Ah sorry! :D
My bad... :lol:
breasts are not genitals. deal with it.
Grenzland
10-22-2013, 07:48 PM
breasts are not genitals. deal with it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Shkembe Chorba
10-22-2013, 08:46 PM
What they actually want? I have always miss their topic.
Last time I saw that they dont want Euro 2012. Which is.. well, you know.
Baluarte
10-22-2013, 08:58 PM
What they actually want? I have always miss their topic.
Last time I saw that they dont want Euro 2012. Which is.. well, you know.
Just watch Dugin's video on Pussy Riot, it explains the sources and motivations.
They're pretty much the same thing that FEMEN is, just with masks instead of boobs. Same message.
Just watch Dugin's video on Pussy Riot, it explains the sources and motivations.
They're pretty much the same thing that FEMEN is, just with masks instead of boobs. Same message.
No, Femen and Pussy Riot are completely different. Pussy Riot was essentially an anti-Putin political setup. They had a hardon for Putin, and not much more substance.
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 09:16 PM
They had a hardon for Putin, and not much more substance.
femen is for Putin? :D have you read their interviews?
is that why they protested Putin in Berlin?
femen is for Putin? :D have you read their interviews?
is that why they protested Putin in Berlin?
No they are not, but their whole existence doesn't centre around Putin.
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 09:26 PM
No they are not, but their whole existence doesn't centre around Putin.
well yes, thats true. putin is not relevant enough.
Aunt Hilda
10-22-2013, 11:10 PM
http://youtu.be/uFuMe8loUfw
Baluarte
10-22-2013, 11:29 PM
Why the signature about Amina? A little outdated about her perhaps?
robar
10-23-2013, 12:24 AM
For you, yes. Leave women alone then who are fighting for their freedom and those of their oppressed sisters in the Islamic world.
Loki I recently read through the Guardian Feminists articles,:picard2: after that my world viewpoint changed, in my new opinion all white male in Britain and well probably Sweden too ,should effective immediatelly convert to Islam and in alliance with the Immigrant Muslims ensure Sharia Law effective immediately
Loki I recently read through the Guardian Feminists articles,:picard2: after that my world viewpoint changed, in my new opinion all white male in Britain and well probably Sweden too ,should effective immediatelly convert to Islam and in alliance with the Immigrant Muslims ensure Sharia Law effective immediately
:confused:
Hint: the Guardian is a very liberal newspaper, it's just their view on things which is not neutral.
KidMulat
10-23-2013, 12:37 AM
:confused:
Hint: the Guardian is a very liberal newspaper, it's just their view on things which is not neutral.
And your view that all Muslim women are helpless and need Westerners to save them is neutral?
And your view that all Muslim women are helpless and need Westerners to save them is neutral?
No, they need to save themselves.
KidMulat
10-23-2013, 12:44 AM
No, they need to save themselves.
There are people who are but they're being outshined in the media by stunts like FEMEN :picard1:
There are people who are but they're being outshined in the media by stunts like FEMEN :picard1:
That means Femen is effective. But it needs to become much bigger, and Femen should have a strong representation in all Islamic countries, among local women. It should be an unstoppable revolution. Call it Islamic Reformation. It's coming.
KidMulat
10-23-2013, 12:53 AM
That means Femen is effective. But it needs to become much bigger, and Femen should have a strong representation in all Islamic countries, among local women. It should be an unstoppable revolution. Call it Islamic Reformation. It's coming.
Muslim women who are observant are not going to run around naked screaming anti-Islamic rhetoric, FEMEN will not be a Muslim woman's movement only a Male lead anti-Islamic group with non-observant Muslim women
Muslim women who are observant are not going to run around naked screaming anti-Islamic rhetoric, FEMEN will not be a Muslim woman's movement only a Male lead anti-Islamic group with non-observant Muslim women
From what I heard, it's already taken off in Tunisia. People are waking up to the fact that we don't live in the Middle Ages anymore.
Óttar
10-23-2013, 12:59 AM
I think the world needs more nudity and more sex. Sex should be an omnipresent, integrated part of everyone's life rather than a mere gimmick to sell commodities. Public nudity is a revolutionary act. A well needed one because it inspires such hatred among the Junior Anti-Sex League members of the world. Sex is the most plentiful resource in the world, and yet, it is artificially presented as if it is in short supply. There are powerful business interests that profit upon keeping the average person sexually repressed.
KidMulat
10-23-2013, 01:00 AM
From what I heard, it's already taken off in Tunisia. People are waking up to the fact that we don't live in the Middle Ages anymore.
You've got to be minding me? The girl in Tunisia is a upper class secular woman, she never represented even a minority of active Muslim feminists
You've got to be minding me? The girl in Tunisia is a upper class secular woman, she never represented even a minority of active Muslim feminists
And? It will spread. :)
KidMulat
10-23-2013, 01:05 AM
And? It will spread. :)
Among the small upper echelons of non-Muslim women and that will "save" the woman of broader Muslim society how?
Among the small upper echelons of non-Muslim women and that will "save" the woman of broader Muslim society how?
It needs to spread to grassroots level. Everything has to start somewhere.
Anyway I'm off to bed now.
KidMulat
10-23-2013, 01:07 AM
It needs to spread to grassroots level. Everything has to start somewhere.
Anyway I'm off to bed now.
You think FEMEN I grassroots lol
robar
10-23-2013, 01:09 AM
:confused:
Hint: the Guardian is a very liberal newspaper, it's just their view on things which is not neutral.
That I know but for me the whole stuff is interesting because it is totally crazy , leftist,communist , full of men haters pretending to be woman rights activist full of double standard ,hypocrisy, conspiracy theories, etc.
Grenzland
10-23-2013, 09:59 AM
Call it Islamic Reformation. It's coming.
:lol:
Femen don't even speak for a majority in Western liberal countries! :D They are now shocking some people, but most of the people I know don't care for them or make fun of this group.
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