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Loki
10-23-2013, 11:54 AM
Is a high-fat diet GOOD for the heart? Doctors say carbs are more damaging to the arteries than butter or cream (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2472672/Is-high-fat-diet-GOOD-heart-Doctors-say-carbs-damaging-arteries.html)


Experts claim false interpretation of scientific studies has led to millions being 'over-medicated'
Doctors claim it is time to 'bust the myth' of the role of saturated fat in heart disease
Some nations are adopting dietary guidelines to encourage high-fat foods


Cutting back on butter, cream and fatty meats may have done more harm to heart health than good.

Experts say the belief that high-fat diets are bad for arteries is based on faulty interpretation of scientific studies and has led to millions being ‘over-medicated’ with statin drugs.

Doctors insist it is time to bust the myth of the role of saturated fat in heart disease.

Some western nations, such as Sweden, are now adopting dietary guidelines that encourage foods high in fat but low in carbs.

Cardiologist Aseem Malhotra says almost four decades of advice to cut back on saturated fats found in cream, butter and less lean meat has ‘paradoxically increased our cardiovascular risks’.

He leads a debate online in the British Medical Journal website bmj.com that challenges the demonisation of saturated fat.

A landmark study in the 1970s concluded there was a link between heart disease and blood cholesterol, which correlated with the calories provided by saturated fat.

‘But correlation is not causation,’ said Dr Malhotra, interventional cardiology specialist registrar at Croydon University Hospital, London.

Nevertheless, people were advised to reduce fat intake to 30 per cent of total energy and a fall in saturated fat intake to 10 per cent.

Recent studies fail to show a link between saturated fat intake and risk of cardiovascular disease, with saturated fat actually found to be protective, he said.

One of the earliest obesity experiments, published in the Lancet in 1956, comparing groups on diets of 90 per cent fat versus 90 per cent protein versus 90 per cent carbohydrate revealed the greatest weight loss was among those eating the most fat.

Professor David Haslam, of the National Obesity Forum, said: ‘The assumption has been made that increased fat in the bloodstream is caused by increased saturated fat in the diet … modern scientific evidence is proving that refined carbohydrates and sugar in particular are actually the culprits.’

Another US study showed a ‘low fat’ diet was worse for health than one which was low in carbohydrates, such as potatoes, pasta, bread.

Dr Malhotra said obesity has ‘rocketed’ in the US despite a big drop in calories consumed from fat.
‘One reason’ he said ‘when you take the fat out, the food tastes worse.’

The food industry compensated by replacing saturated fat with added sugar but evidence is mounting that sugar is a ‘possible independent risk factor’ for metabolic syndrome which can lead to diabetes.

Dr Malhotra said the government’s obsession with cholesterol ‘has led to the over-medication of millions of people with statins’.

But why has there been no demonstrable effect on heart disease trends when eight million Britons are being prescribed cholesterol-lowering drugs, he asked.

Adopting a Mediterranean diet after a heart attack is almost three times as powerful in reducing death rates as taking a statin, which have been linked to unacceptable side effects in real-world use, he added.

Dr Malhrotra said ‘The greatest improvements in morbidity and mortality have been due not to personal responsibility but rather to public health.

‘It is time to bust the myth of the role of saturated in heart disease and wind back the harms of dietary advice that has contributed to obesity.’

Dr Malcolm Kendrick, a GP and author of The Great Cholesterol Con, said Sweden had become the first western nation to develop national dietary guidelines that rejected the low-fat myth, in favour of low-carb high-fat nutrition advice.

He said ‘Around the world, the tide is turning, and science is overturning anti-fat dogma.

'Recently, the Swedish Council on Health Technology assessment has admitted that a high fat diet improves blood sugar levels, reduces triglycerides improves ‘good’ cholesterol - all signs of insulin resistance, the underlying cause of diabetes - and has nothing but beneficial effects, including assisting in weight loss.

‘Aseem Malhotra is to be congratulated for stating the truth that has been suppressed for the last forty years’ he added.

Professor Robert Lustig, Paediatric Endocrinologist, University of San Francisco said ‘Food should confer wellness, not illness. And real food does just that, including saturated fat.

'But when saturated fat got mixed up with the high sugar added to processed food in the second half of the 20th century, it got a bad name. Which is worse, the saturated fat or the added sugar?

‘The American Heart Association has weighed in - the sugar many times over. Instead of lowering serum cholesterol with statins, which is dubious at best, how about serving up some real food?’

Timothy Noakes, Professor of Exercise and Sports Science, University of Cape Town, South Africa said ‘Focusing on an elevated blood cholesterol concentration as the exclusive cause of coronary heart disease is unquestionably the worst medical error of our time.

‘After reviewing all the scientific evidence I draw just one conclusion - Never prescribe a statin drug for a loved one.’

larali
10-23-2013, 12:00 PM
Balance is good, as in all things. Some fat is healthy. Too much is not.

I am a believer in eating meat with some fat left in it, especially for my kids. There are a lot of fat-soluble vitamins in it. It helps their growth. I also but 2% milk instead of skim for that reason. Fat is healthy for skin, hair and brain function. What's not healthy is an imbalance of fat versus fiber, protein and other nutrients.

Too much fat in my diet shows up as oily skin and lethargy, for me. When that happens I know to cut back.

Methusalem
10-23-2013, 12:01 PM
That's not news. This is actually what bodybuilders know since years.

Equilibrium
10-23-2013, 12:08 PM
The human diet has been for the longest time a high fat and high protein diet. The addition of high amounts of carbs is relatively new.

Jackson
10-23-2013, 12:19 PM
Less bread and more butter for me then.

My grandfather has a cholesterol level of 9 point something, so i'd better be careful too hehe.

Dombra
10-23-2013, 12:25 PM
Some western nations, such as Sweden, are now adopting dietary guidelines that encourage foods high in fat but low in carbs.


LCHF diet, plague of a nation. At least its working for most :shrug:

morski
10-23-2013, 12:30 PM
Balance is good, as in all things. Some fat is healthy. Too much is not.

I am a believer in eating meat with some fat left in it, especially for my kids. There are a lot of fat-soluble vitamins in it. It helps their growth. I also but 2% milk instead of skim for that reason. Fat is healthy for skin, hair and brain function. What's not healthy is an imbalance of fat versus fiber, protein and other nutrients.

Too much fat in my diet shows up as oily skin and lethargy, for me. When that happens I know to cut back.

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Methusalem
10-23-2013, 12:32 PM
The human diet has been for the longest time a high fat and high protein diet. The addition of high amounts of carbs is relatively new.

True Neolithic revolution. Hence obese alpignid servant types occurred recently as a farmer race. Not made for a life as hunter and gatherers. :laugh:

Equilibrium
10-23-2013, 12:39 PM
True Neolithic revolution. Hence obese alpignid servant types occurred recently as a farmer race. Not made for a life as hunter and gatherers. :laugh:

lol I guess thats about right. ;)

In recent years I got acid reflux on almost daily basis. Only recently I read that it might have to do with carbs. So I cut the carbs and changed to low-carb diet. Much better now.

Methusalem
10-23-2013, 12:45 PM
lol I guess thats about right. ;)

In recent years I got acid reflux on almost daily basis. Only recently I read that it might have to do with carbs. So I cut the carbs and changed to low-carb diet. Much better now.

Yeah but media tries to portray fat as evil and carbs as healthy. I wonder why. Maybe an healthcare system conspiracy? To earn some money with people suffering from obesity, blood pressure, diabetes and high cholesterol level due to higher body fat percentage?

Hevo
10-23-2013, 12:53 PM
True Neolithic revolution. Hence obese alpignid servant types occurred recently as a farmer race. Not made for a life as hunter and gatherers. :laugh:

:laugh:

http://www.cap-news.com/stories/2010/201008/201008009full.jpg

Methusalem
10-23-2013, 12:54 PM
:laugh:

http://www.cap-news.com/stories/2010/201008/201008009full.jpg

LOL I actually searched for such a picture to troll our resident alpignid. xD

thetank
10-25-2013, 11:53 AM
With the exception of hydrogenated fat, all fats are essentials for recovery, performance, lubrication of the joints etc, you never want to cut fat on your diet and you shouldn't cut out too much carbs neither

Corvus
10-25-2013, 12:01 PM
With the exception of hydrogenated fat, all fats are essentials for recovery, performance, lubrication of the joints etc, you never want to cut fat on your diet and you shouldn't cut out too much carbs neither

Indeed, but carbohydrates should only be consumed in moderate quantities, glykogen is stored in the liver and muscles but if you do not do any cardio training or cardiovascular activities it is turned into fat, protein on the other hand is anabol and if you eat more than you need (2g pro kg weight) the kidneys turn it into urine.

Anyway I am a proponent of the Paleo diet, even though I have to admit that I also eat carbs at least during the first part of the day to enable my brain to work at full capacity.
After my daily training in the evening I count exclusivly on protein rich food which means meat, fish or a special protein rich soup.

Almost any nutrition contains fat, so you cannot avoid it completly. It is also needed in a small degree for protein synthesis as well as to protect the organs.

Rudel
10-25-2013, 12:04 PM
Of course fat is good.
I'm a believer in gorging on duck, boar and cheese, and then washing it with some wine.
Getting obsessed with diet, "healthy" stuff and whatnot ends up making you unhealthy.

amerinese
10-25-2013, 12:06 PM
Simple carbs are evil. Protein, fat, and fiber are good.

Corvus
10-25-2013, 12:25 PM
Off course fat is good.
I'm a believer in gorging on duck, boar and cheese, and then washing it with some wine.
Getting obsessed with diet, "healthy" stuff and whatnot ends up making you unhealthy.

It might be true for the average person, but my aim is to get a perfect body, so its an imperative for me
to collect knowledge about nutrition and various training forms

morski
10-25-2013, 12:32 PM
It might be true for the average person, but my aim is to get a perfect body, so its an imperative for me
to collect knowledge about nutrition and various training forms

The man just provided you with the ultimate knowledge on nutrition.

Corvus
10-25-2013, 12:40 PM
The man just provided you with the ultimate knowledge on nutrition.

Well some say nutrition is overrated when it comes to hypertrophy and athletic performance, other "experts" claim it is 80%, so basically more important than the actual training.
I think the truth is in the middle. In fact the human organism is not homogenous. Every individual has his distinctive metabolism so its very complex. Some can tolerate fat and carbs easily, others only gain weight. So general rules are always hard to apply. In my case I need lots of protein and only little carbs so that my organism can build up muscles or at least consolidate them. I gained 15 kg muscle mass with this method within a year by only 10,6 % body fat currently
But this does not mean it is a basic rule for anybody.
There is a good docu about this issue I watched recently:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr992ZmKkSg

morski
10-25-2013, 12:43 PM
Well some say nutrition is overrated when it comes to hypertrophy and athletic performance, other "experts" claim it is 80%, so basically more important than the actual training.
I think the truth is in the middle. In fact the human organism is not homogenous. Every individual has his distinctive metabolism so its very complex. Some can tolearte fat and carbs easily, others only gain weight. So general rules are always hard to apply. In my case I need lots of protein and only little carbs so that my organism can build up muscles or at least consolidate them. I gained 15 kg muscle mass with this method within a year by only 10,6 % body fat currently
But this does not mean it is a basic rule for anybody.
There is a good docu about this issue I watched recently:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr992ZmKkSg

Seen it. It's pretty informative.

Rudel
10-25-2013, 12:56 PM
Well some say nutrition is overrated when it comes to hypertrophy and athletic performance, other "experts" claim it is 80%, so basically more important than the actual training.
I think the truth is in the middle. In fact the human organism is not homogenous. Every individual has his distinctive metabolism so its very complex. Some can tolearte fat and carbs easily, others only gain weight. So general rules are always hard to apply. In my case I need lots of protein and only little carbs so that my organism can build up muscles or at least consolidate them. I gained 15 kg muscle mass with this method within a year by only 10,6 % body fat currently
But this does not mean it is a basic rule for anybody.
There is a good docu about this issue I watched recently:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr992ZmKkSg
I eat a lot and well. We hunt a bit in the family, we deal with peasants we know, we've got fresh stuff from around here available at the market/grossery shop/bakery and we're surrounded by vines so we always get prime quality ingredients/base food.
My weight doesn't budge at all. But when I went to Australia I gained like 6 kilograms in less than two months and I looked like a pound of melting butter. Lost it almost immediately when I came back home.

So here's what I think : trying to get control over your diet is useless, the quality of the food and the way you conceive food and eating in general is way more important.
Pleasure is superior to science. That's why Americans are fat like monks, even though they spent much more time than the rest worrying about diet, weight and stuff.
If I need to do physical stuff, I'll just eat more of what I'm used to. No need to worry, the land will provide what the man needs.

So yeah, that was just my two cents about food.