J2 haplogroup M172

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

That is my Subclade.
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/J2-tree.gif

[Anglojew]

Very Near-Eastern. Interesting. Got any Sephardi ancestors?

[Black Wolf]

That is my Subclade.
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/J2-tree.gif

Nice to see a J2 brother posting here about this! :)...Are you J2a or J2b do you know?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Very Near-Eastern. Interesting. Got any Sephardi ancestors?

Here are my results

Admix Results:

South_Baltic 5.33%
East_Euro 11.00%
North-Central_Euro 10.38%
Atlantic 9.97%
West_Med 6.66%
Ashkenazi 3.86%
West_Asian 2.33%
Middle_Eastern 3.07%
South_Asian 4.80%
East_African 2.29%
East_Asian 16.75%
Siberian 17.86%
West_African 5.71%

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Nice to see a J2 brother posting here about this! :)...Are you J2a or J2b do you know?
Don't know, Where can i check to find out? only know I am J2-M172 :)

[orangepulp]

Where dıd you test yourself? My grandfather is J2a4h2f*.

[Black Wolf]

Don't know, Where can i check to find out? only know I am J2-M172 :)

Did you test with 23andme?

[Anglojew]

Here are my results

Admix Results:

South_Baltic 5.33%
East_Euro 11.00%
North-Central_Euro 10.38%
Atlantic 9.97%
West_Med 6.66%
Ashkenazi 3.86%
West_Asian 2.33%
Middle_Eastern 3.07%
South_Asian 4.80%
East_African 2.29%
East_Asian 16.75%
Siberian 17.86%
West_African 5.71%

Have you run a Jtest?

[Black Wolf]

Have you run a Jtest?

Those are his Jtest results he posted.

[MarkyMark]

Possibly a genetic imprint of a moor or Sephardic jew on the Spaniards who then took it with them over the Atlantic with their conquering of the natives.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Where dıd you test yourself? My grandfather is J2a4h2f*.

Nice I test myself with 23andMe

[Black Wolf]

Possibly a genetic imprint of a moor or Sephardic jew on the Spaniards who then took it with them over the Atlantic with their conquering of the natives.

Possibly but not a certainty. Many people still make the erroneous assumption that haplogroup J2=Jewish ancestry. I am not saying that you are making this assumption but many people still seem to. The vast vast majority of J2 men out there are not descended from Jews along their paternal lines. True that a lot of Jews are J2 though and in this case it may be more likely since it seems that many Latinos in the Southwest of the US and Mexico have Crypto-Jew ancestry.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Have you run a Jtest?

Yeah this one is my Jtest results

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Did you test with 23andme?

Yes

[orangepulp]

J2 is not necessarily Jewish, J2 is most common in Western Asia, it could be Anatolian.

[Black Wolf]

J2 is not necessarily Jewish, J2 is most common in Western Asia, it could be Anatolian.

Actually it is most common in the Caucasus. The Ingush and Chechens have the highest frequencies of any groups in the world.

[Black Wolf]

Yes

Okay well it seems likely that you are probably J2a then as I am J2a but I am listed as being just J2 at 23andme as well. I don't think they test for the M410 SNP that defines J2a at 23andme unfortunately.

[Anglojew]

Those are his Jtest results he posted.

Cool I thought they were Eutest. What do you think?

I'd say he has significant Sephardi ancestry of maybe 10%.

[Anglojew]

Yeah this one is my Jtest results

Sorry, at work, kinda reading this when I can so a little preoccupied.

[Anglojew]

J2 is not necessarily Jewish, J2 is most common in Western Asia, it could be Anatolian.

Yes, but the question is which groups migrated to Mexico. As far as I know the best odds would be Sephardis?

[Black Wolf]

Cool I thought they were Eutest. What do you think?

I'd say he has significant Sephardi ancestry of maybe 10%.

What makes you think he has Sephardi ancestry based on that test? His Ashkenazi score is not really much higher than what most Europeans would get on this test....He should run Oracle.

[orangepulp]

Actually it is most common in the Caucasus. The Ingush and Chechens have the highest frequencies of any groups in the world.

J2 is very common in Turkey though.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-J2.jpg

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Okay well it seems likely that you are probably J2a then as I am J2a but I am listed as being just J2 at 23andme as well. I don't think they test for the M410 SNP that defines J2a at 23andme unfortunately.
Interesting thanks for the feedback. Now I have an idea which subclade I probably is. :)

[Maleficent]

I also assumed Sephardic ancestry somewhere down the line when I first saw Mexican and J2 in Martin's profile. But it could also be from the Moor's in Spanish history or simply a Southern European subclade of J2.

I recommend doing Adriano Squecco since it's free, I have yet to do it myself with my father's ydna but I will soon. Adriano is the Doug McDonald of ydna as far as I know. Download just the ydna of your raw data and send it to him like you would McDonald. It's possible he can tell you your subclade. If not, you can try FTDNA in the future since they specialize in deep subclades and clusters of haplogroups.

[Black Wolf]

Yes, but the question is which groups migrated to Mexico. As far as I know the best odds would be Sephardis?

Sephardis or Crypto-Jews are certainly a possibility. But so is a native Spanish origin.

[Black Wolf]

J2 is very common in Turkey though.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-J2.jpg

Yes it is but like I said it is most common today in the Caucasus. Look at the right hand side at frequencies in the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172

[Black Wolf]

I also assumed Sephardic ancestry somewhere down the line when I first saw Mexican and J2 in Martin's profile. But it could also be from the Moor's in Spanish history or simply a Southern European subclade of J2.

I recommend doing Adriano Squecco since it's free, I have yet to do it myself with my father's ydna but I will soon. Adriano is the Doug McDonald of ydna as far as I know. Download just the ydna of your raw data and send it to him like you would McDonald. It's possible he can tell you your subclade. If not, you can try FTDNA in the future since they specialize in deep subclades and clusters of haplogroups.

Excellent suggestions. :)

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I also assumed Sephardic ancestry somewhere down the line when I first saw Mexican and J2 in Martin's profile. But it could also be from the Moor's in Spanish history or simply a Southern European subclade of J2.

I recommend doing Adriano Squecco since it's free, I have yet to do it myself with my father's ydna but I will soon. Adriano is the Doug McDonald of ydna as far as I know. Download just the ydna of your raw data and send it to him like you would McDonald. It's possible he can tell you your subclade. If not, you can try FTDNA in the future since they specialize in deep subclades and clusters of haplogroups.
Where can I contact Adriano Squecco? Do you know his email address? Thanks

[Black Wolf]

Here is a link below. His email is right there on the page. :)

http://daver.info/ysub/

[Black Wolf]

Where can I contact Adriano Squecco? Do you know his email address? Thanks

BTW what part of Mexico does your paternal line come from?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Here is a link below. His email is right there on the page. :)

http://daver.info/ysub/

Thanks. gonna check it out right now. :)

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

BTW what part of Mexico does your paternal line come from?

They are from north-central Mexico where my paternal line are from

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Jaxman here are some pics of some relatives from my paternal line:
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/AdrianVA_zps57910829.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/retryy_zpse7dc9dae.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/ggfhgj_zps3d0478df.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/NichelleV418_n_zps1d67fcc6.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/aliciaV34_n_zpsc5eb2d49.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/adolfov4_zps0f96d182.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/librado_n_zpse6170685.jpg
if this kinda helps. :)

[Maleficent]

They are from north-central Mexico where my paternal line are from

Can you tell us which state? :)

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Can you tell us which state? :)

Zacatecas :)
http://globerove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Jalpa-Zacatecas-Mexico.jpg

[Maleficent]

Zacatecas :)
http://globerove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Jalpa-Zacatecas-Mexico.jpg

Interesting, thanks.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Interesting, thanks.

It was my pleasure.

[Genn]

Thanks. gonna check it out right now. :)

If you do end up emailing Adriano Squecco, can you let us know if he responds? I contacted him back in early September but never got a reply.

[Black Wolf]

If you do end up emailing Adriano Squecco, can you let us know if he responds? I contacted him back in early September but never got a reply.

That is a shame if he is no longer doing his analysis.

[Black Wolf]

Jaxman here are some pics of some relatives from my paternal line:
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/AdrianVA_zps57910829.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/retryy_zpse7dc9dae.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/ggfhgj_zps3d0478df.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/NichelleV418_n_zps1d67fcc6.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/aliciaV34_n_zpsc5eb2d49.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/adolfov4_zps0f96d182.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/librado_n_zpse6170685.jpg
if this kinda helps. :)

Some good looking girls there. :)

[MfA_]

Most reported ''J2''s by 23andMe turns out J2a and downstreams in further SNPs testings by FTDNA or Geno 2..

[Genn]

That is a shame if he is no longer doing his analysis.

I agree, but I guess it couldn't last forever and we're lucky to have even been offered it as a free service. Quite frankly I'm surprised Doug McDonald still provides his analysis at no cost, albeit selectively.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

If you do end up emailing Adriano Squecco, can you let us know if he responds? I contacted him back in early September but never got a reply.

I email Adriano Sqecco with my raw data when FaerieQueene link me his email but haven't got a reply from him yet. I email Doug McDonald, and I just got a respond from him already right now. :)

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

That is a shame if he is no longer doing his analysis.
I agree, that would suck.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Most reported ''J2''s by 23andMe turns out J2a and downstreams in further SNPs testings by FTDNA or Geno 2..
Thanks for the reported. well It seems likely that I am probably J2a as Jaxman had said.