My Ancestry? Eurogene EUtest V2 K15n says i'm Romanian

[Myth]

I received my results from 23andme a while back, I am receiving multiple reports on what my ancestry actually is which differs from 23andme, gedmatch and some of the results I have had from Mcdonald as well as Dodcad.

these are my 23andme results

Y DNA is J1c3
MTDNA is H1

As you can see from the listed results below, 23andme seems to think I am primarily of Russian Descent and German background yet lists my genetic marker as originally belonging to the middle east, yet J1c3 doesn't seem to be very common in Europe. On the other hand, Mcdonald sees me as primarily being of Jewish Middle Eastern, Hungarian, Italian or Romanian. On my GEDMatch records, i'm being recorded as primarily Romanian, Balkans, some Finnish, German, or in some cases Assyrian, Iraq or Turkish.

The results are a bit weird because some are picking up slight traces of Asian, other times it doesn't show up, and in other cases most of my results seem to show a Balkans origin yet on 23andme, it only detects Russian and German, 23andme seems to detect J1c3 as Ashkenazi Jewish and declares it to be European, is it mainly due to population sizes or how should I handle these results of my actual background?

Based on 23andme, this is my ancestry

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This is from EuroDNA Calculator

EuroDNACalc
[1] "NORTHWEST EURO: Maximum Likelihood Estimate=15% Interval=[0, 40]"
[1] "SOUTHEAST EURO: Maximum Likelihood Estimate=34% Interval=[1, 66]"
[1] "ASHKENAZI JEWISH: Maximum Likelihood Estimate=51% Interval=[30, 73]"


And this is my Mcdonald Analysis

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The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Tuscan= 0.153 Hungary= 0.566 Jewish= 0.280

French= 0.126 Hungary= 0.509 Jewish= 0.366

Spain= 0.072 Hungary= 0.577 Jewish= 0.351

Italian= 0.106 Hungary= 0.566 Jewish= 0.328

Tuscan= 0.714 Russian= 0.262 Mozabite= 0.024

Sardinia= 0.033 Hungary= 0.618 Jewish= 0.348

English= 0.118 Hungary= 0.488 Jewish= 0.394

Tuscan= 0.111 Romania= 0.866 Moroccan= 0.023

Tuscan= 0.150 Romania= 0.832 Mozabite= 0.018

Tuscan= 0.372 Belorus= 0.355 Jewish= 0.273

Second most likely fit is 88.3% (+- 8.9%) Europe (all Southeast Europe)

and 0.3% (+- 0.2%) Africa (various subcontinents)

and 11.4% (+- 9.0%) Mideast (all Jewish)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Hungary= 0.616 Yoruba= 0.000 Jewish= 0.384

Romania= 0.920 Ethiopia= 0.007 Jewish= 0.073

Romania= 0.920 Ethiopia= 0.007 Jewish= 0.073

Romania= 0.910 Mandenka= 0.002 Jewish= 0.088

Romania= 0.913 Maasai= 0.003 Jewish= 0.084

Romania= 0.916 Ethiopia= 0.004 Jewish= 0.080

Romania= 0.910 Yoruba= 0.002 Jewish= 0.088

Romania= 0.910 Bantu Ke= 0.002 Jewish= 0.088

Romania= 0.909 Bantu So= 0.002 Jewish= 0.089

Romania= 0.907 Biaka Py= 0.000 Jewish= 0.093

Mcdonald stated that I had a "slightly" higher amount of African blood than most Ashkenazi Jews and that all individuals test for a small amount of African blood except the Caucasus.

My Dodcad ID 678

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19.3 West Asian, 33 percent south european, 0.5 percent northeast asian, 9.3 percent southwest asian, 1.1 percent east asian, 36.8 percent north european

and this is from GEDMatch

M213922 Eurogene EUtest V2 K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 24.21
2 North_Sea 16.88
3 West_Asian 11.98
4 East_Med 11.66
5 West_Med 11.33
6 Baltic 11.32
7 Eastern_Euro 6.94
8 Red_Sea 4.54
9 Siberian 1.14


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 10.686
2 Serbian @ 10.878
3 Bulgarian @ 12.278
4 Austrian @ 13.253
5 North_Italian @ 13.404
6 Tuscan @ 14.955
7 French @ 15.583
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.145
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.416
10 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.438
165 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Tuscan @ 6.529
2 50% German +50% Greek @ 7.224
3 50% Bulgarian +50% French @ 7.494
4 50% Austrian +50% North_Italian @ 7.755
5 50% Greek +50% Irish @ 7.781
6 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.795
7 50% Greek +50% Southeast_English @ 7.853
8 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.921
9 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.955
10 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.991
13695 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 4.054
2 50% Austrian +25% Armenian +25% French_Basque @ 4.138
3 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Aragon +25% Turkish @ 4.203
4 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Turkish @ 4.435
5 50% Austrian +25% Assyrian +25% French_Basque @ 4.442
6 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Turkish @ 4.537
7 50% Hungarian +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 4.556
8 50% Austrian +25% Southwest_French +25% Turkish @ 4.572
9 50% Austrian +25% French_Basque +25% Kurdish @ 4.643
10 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Turkish @ 4.704
543136 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Belorussian + French + French_Basque @ 3.786
2 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Turkish @ 3.925
3 Armenian + Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.958
4 Austrian + German + Spanish_Aragon + Turkish @ 3.978
5 Assyrian + French_Basque + German + Polish @ 3.985
6 Assyrian + French_Basque + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.034
7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + German @ 4.050
8 Austrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Turkish @ 4.054
9 Austrian + German + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 4.062
10 Assyrian + French_Basque + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.066
11 Assyrian + French_Basque + Irish + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.078
12 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Swedish + Turkish @ 4.109
13 Assyrian + Belorussian + French + French_Basque @ 4.109
14 French_Basque + Romanian + Southwest_Finnish + Turkish @ 4.119
15 Austrian + German + Southwest_French + Turkish @ 4.138
16 Armenian + Austrian + Austrian + French_Basque @ 4.138
17 French_Basque + German + Romanian + Turkish @ 4.152
18 Assyrian + French + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.164
19 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.175
20 Armenian + French + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.191

[Anglojew]

Your M213922 Eurogene EUtest V2 K15n is interesting as your Ashekani side is showing up as more Iraqi than Levantine (like me) but interesting you're not showing as Ashkenazi on the 2 populations approx.

[Myth]

The only thing I can think of why i'm getting such odd results is likely due to lack of population from certain countries. I know Ashkenazi Jews especially from Russia are over-represented so that "could" be the case, however I did have some family from regions that used to belong to Russia but they were Baltic countries like Latvia or Estonia, something like that.

I know Romania is really really mixed too, at one time, the majority of Jews in Romania were Sephardic who fled from Spain into the Balkans, some Sephardic Jews came in from Turkey to Romania as well but they all adapted Romanian last names for the most part and assimilated or intermixed with later Ashkenazi migrants. I don't think my family has a history of speaking Ladino. I don't know how accurate this is, but ancestry.com claims that my great great grandmother spoke Yiddish in Canadian records for entering the US, however the name isn't spelled the same as their tombstones in Romania so I don't even know if this is the same lady as my great great grandma let alone have a picture of her.

Ashkenazi Jews later entered Romania from Galacia, Poland, Ukraine (bessarabia, bukovina), and probably mixed with the sephardics as a later migration.

Some of our family have Germanic names while others have the priestly caste names primarily on my dads side.

What's also awkward is that supposedly Jews were treated as a separate nation within Romania (except for the assimilated ones), but yet my eurogenes and other tests show that I have quite a bit of Romanian admixture which 23andme does not detect, so what I wonder is if my family is mixed with Romanian and how Romanian is determined. For example is a Hungarian who declares themselves a Romanian national in that list? Or a Jew who declares themselves Romanian? It's also possible that from large admixtures that there's just small segments that aren't detected either.

This is mixed mode population sharing from Oracle and my results

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.9% Austrian + 46.1% Tuscan @ 5.66
2 78.6% Romanian + 21.4% French_Basque @ 5.8
3 68.6% Romanian + 31.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.84
4 60% Greek + 40% Irish @ 5.95
5 71.6% Romanian + 28.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.02
6 65.9% Romanian + 34.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.1
7 66.7% Romanian + 33.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 6.12
8 60.9% Greek + 39.1% West_Scottish @ 6.13
9 68.4% Romanian + 31.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.18
10 71.8% Austrian + 28.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.2
11 66.4% Romanian + 33.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.24
12 68.6% Romanian + 31.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.3
13 52.9% Greek + 47.1% German @ 6.3
14 66.2% Romanian + 33.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.33
15 58.8% Bulgarian + 41.2% French @ 6.34
16 60.1% Greek + 39.9% Danish @ 6.35
17 58.5% Greek + 41.5% Southeast_English @ 6.37
18 73% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 27% Lezgin @ 6.43
19 71.7% Romanian + 28.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.45
20 72.2% Romanian + 27.8% Southwest_French @ 6.58

I've heard rumors Mcdonald has had issues seeing the difference with Tuscan Italian and Jewish before, my guess is 23andme also just clumps certain middle eastern ancestries as well into Ashkenazi Jewish. I've had relatives contact me on 23andme and we don't trace to any similar history, however on gedmatch I have had a Hungarian Jew contact me as well as a Cuban with Spanish ancestry who related to me and asked if I was sephardic, his family came from Venezuela, this is why i'm thinking maybe sephardics mixed with some of the Romanian population and then maybe mixed with other Ashkenazis who later came in the region and were culturally influenced by Ashkenazis, that's the only explanation I would have.

[Anglojew]

The only thing I can think of why i'm getting such odd results is likely due to lack of population from certain countries. I know Ashkenazi Jews especially from Russia are over-represented so that "could" be the case, however I did have some family from regions that used to belong to Russia but they were Baltic countries like Latvia or Estonia, something like that.

I know Romania is really really mixed too, at one time, the majority of Jews in Romania were Sephardic who fled from Spain into the Balkans, some Sephardic Jews came in from Turkey to Romania as well but they all adapted Romanian last names for the most part and assimilated or intermixed with later Ashkenazi migrants. I don't think my family has a history of speaking Ladino. I don't know how accurate this is, but ancestry.com claims that my great great grandmother spoke Yiddish in Canadian records for entering the US, however the name isn't spelled the same as their tombstones in Romania so I don't even know if this is the same lady as my great great grandma let alone have a picture of her.

Ashkenazi Jews later entered Romania from Galacia, Poland, Ukraine (bessarabia, bukovina), and probably mixed with the sephardics as a later migration.

Some of our family have Germanic names while others have the priestly caste names primarily on my dads side.

What's also awkward is that supposedly Jews were treated as a separate nation within Romania (except for the assimilated ones), but yet my eurogenes and other tests show that I have quite a bit of Romanian admixture which 23andme does not detect, so what I wonder is if my family is mixed with Romanian and how Romanian is determined. For example is a Hungarian who declares themselves a Romanian national in that list? Or a Jew who declares themselves Romanian? It's also possible that from large admixtures that there's just small segments that aren't detected either.

Some of my ancestors were Romanian Jews too. Interesting. The spelling difference would be due to transliteration between the Yiddish Hebrew Alphabet and Latin.

[Myth]

If i'm correct, anything over 10 is not really worth looking into.

MDLP Results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 34.3
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 31.48
3 West-Asian 15.47
4 Near_East 13.4
5 North-European-Mesolithic 2.34
6 North-Siberean 1.26
7 Arctic-Amerind 0.57
8 Indo-Tibetan 0.52
9 Melanesian 0.27
10 Indo-Iranian 0.26
11 Paleo-Siberian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Gagauz (derived) 4.49
2 Bulgarian (derived) 5.35
3 Romania (derived) 7.15
4 Macedonian (derived) 7.39
5 Ashkenazim_V (derived) 8.38
6 Montenegrin (derived) 8.85
7 Greek_South (derived) 10.44
8 Greek_North (derived) 10.66
9 Italian_North (derived) 10.97
10 Serbian (derived) 11.16
11 Swiss (derived) 11.92
12 Provancestralal (derived) 13.18
13 Italian-North (derived) 13.68
14 Jew_Romania (derived) 14.52
15 Greek_Center (derived) 14.53
16 German-South (derived) 14.7
17 Greek_East (derived) 15.68
18 Bosnian (derived) 15.83
19 French (derived) 16.77
20 Italian-Center (derived) 16.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70% Italian-South (derived) + 30% Estonian (derived) @ 1.48
2 72.1% Italian-Center (derived) + 27.9% Estonian (derived) @ 1.71
3 68.1% Sicilian (derived) + 31.9% Estonian (derived) @ 1.79
4 71.5% Italian-South (derived) + 28.5% Latvian (derived) @ 1.85
5 64.8% Sicilian (derived) + 35.2% Russian_Center (derived) @ 1.9
6 59.1% Sicilian (derived) + 40.9% Ukrainian_V (derived) @ 1.94
7 59.5% Jew_Romania (derived) + 40.5% German (derived) @ 1.95
8 60% Sicilian (derived) + 40% Ukrainian-Center (derived) @ 1.97
9 64.7% Italian-South (derived) + 35.3% Russian_V (derived) @ 1.99
10 63% Sicilian (derived) + 37% Russian_South (derived) @ 2.03
11 67.9% Italian-Center (derived) + 32.1% Moldavian (derived) @ 2.03
12 62.6% Sicilian (derived) + 37.4% Russian_V (derived) @ 2.04
13 69.6% Sicilian (derived) + 30.4% Latvian (derived) @ 2.05
14 62.6% Sicilian (derived) + 37.4% Russian_cossack (derived) @ 2.06
15 73.5% Italian-Center (derived) + 26.5% Latvian (derived) @ 2.06
16 66.9% Italian-South (derived) + 33.1% Russian_Center (derived) @ 2.08
17 58.9% German-North (derived) + 41.1% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 2.09
18 55.7% Jew_Romania (derived) + 44.3% Hungarian (derived) @ 2.1
19 62.3% Sicilian (derived) + 37.7% Ukrainian-East (derived) @ 2.11
20 66.9% Italian-Center (derived) + 33.1% Russian_V (derived) @ 2.11


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 34.3
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 31.48
3 West-Asian 15.47
4 Near_East 13.4
5 North-European-Mesolithic 2.34
6 North-Siberean 1.26
7 Arctic-Amerind 0.57
8 Indo-Tibetan 0.52
9 Melanesian 0.27
10 Indo-Iranian 0.26
11 Paleo-Siberian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Gagauz (derived) 4.49
2 Bulgarian (derived) 5.35
3 Romania (derived) 7.15
4 Macedonian (derived) 7.39
5 Ashkenazim_V (derived) 8.38
6 Montenegrin (derived) 8.85
7 Greek_South (derived) 10.44
8 Greek_North (derived) 10.66
9 Italian_North (derived) 10.97
10 Serbian (derived) 11.16
11 Swiss (derived) 11.92
12 Provancestralal (derived) 13.18
13 Italian-North (derived) 13.68
14 Jew_Romania (derived) 14.52
15 Greek_Center (derived) 14.53
16 German-South (derived) 14.7
17 Greek_East (derived) 15.68
18 Bosnian (derived) 15.83
19 French (derived) 16.77
20 Italian-Center (derived) 16.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70% Italian-South (derived) + 30% Estonian (derived) @ 1.48
2 72.1% Italian-Center (derived) + 27.9% Estonian (derived) @ 1.71
3 68.1% Sicilian (derived) + 31.9% Estonian (derived) @ 1.79
4 71.5% Italian-South (derived) + 28.5% Latvian (derived) @ 1.85
5 64.8% Sicilian (derived) + 35.2% Russian_Center (derived) @ 1.9
6 59.1% Sicilian (derived) + 40.9% Ukrainian_V (derived) @ 1.94
7 59.5% Jew_Romania (derived) + 40.5% German (derived) @ 1.95
8 60% Sicilian (derived) + 40% Ukrainian-Center (derived) @ 1.97
9 64.7% Italian-South (derived) + 35.3% Russian_V (derived) @ 1.99
10 63% Sicilian (derived) + 37% Russian_South (derived) @ 2.03
11 67.9% Italian-Center (derived) + 32.1% Moldavian (derived) @ 2.03
12 62.6% Sicilian (derived) + 37.4% Russian_V (derived) @ 2.04
13 69.6% Sicilian (derived) + 30.4% Latvian (derived) @ 2.05
14 62.6% Sicilian (derived) + 37.4% Russian_cossack (derived) @ 2.06
15 73.5% Italian-Center (derived) + 26.5% Latvian (derived) @ 2.06
16 66.9% Italian-South (derived) + 33.1% Russian_Center (derived) @ 2.08
17 58.9% German-North (derived) + 41.1% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 2.09
18 55.7% Jew_Romania (derived) + 44.3% Hungarian (derived) @ 2.1
19 62.3% Sicilian (derived) + 37.7% Ukrainian-East (derived) @ 2.11
20 66.9% Italian-Center (derived) + 33.1% Russian_V (derived) @ 2.11

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 34.71
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 31.86
3 West-Asian 15.66
4 Near_East 13.56
5 North-European-Mesolithic 2.37
6 North-Siberean 1.27
7 Arctic-Amerind 0.58


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Gagauz @ 4.871
2 Bulgarian @ 5.767
3 Romania @ 7.919
4 Macedonian @ 8.106
5 Ashkenazim_V @ 9.646
6 Montenegrin @ 9.703
7 Italian_North @ 11.961
8 Greek_South @ 12.005
9 Greek_North @ 12.224
10 Serbian @ 12.443
276 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian_V +50% Sicilian @ 2.663
2 50% Ashkenazim_V +50% Macedonian @ 2.882
3 50% Bosnian +50% Jew_Romania @ 2.924
4 50% Czech +50% Greek_Cretan @ 2.982
5 50% Hungarian +50% Jew_Romania @ 3.072
6 50% Croatian +50% Jew_Romania @ 3.143
7 50% Jew_Italia +50% Slovakian @ 3.221
8 50% Ashkenazim_V +50% Serbian @ 3.291
9 50% Croatian_V +50% Italian-South @ 3.299
10 50% Jew_Francestrale +50% Slovakian @ 3.317
38226 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian-Center +25% Ashkenazim_V +25% Estonian @ 1.717
2 50% Italian-Center +25% Estonian +25% Greek_South @ 1.796
3 50% Sicilian +25% Estonian +25% Gagauz @ 1.952
4 50% Italian-Center +25% Estonian +25% Greek_North @ 1.966
5 50% Italian-South +25% Ashkenazim_V +25% Estonian @ 1.974
6 50% Italian_North +25% Druze +25% Polish @ 1.975
7 50% Italian_North +25% Druze +25% Polish_V @ 1.989
8 50% Italian_North +25% Druze +25% Russian_Center @ 2.020
9 50% Ukrainian_V +25% Jew-Iraqi +25% Sardinian @ 2.029
10 50% Italian_North +25% Druze +25% Russian_V @ 2.055
2795492 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Corsican + Druze + Estonian + Italian_North @ 1.651
2 Bosnian + Estonian + Jew-Iran + Sardinian @ 1.673
3 Estonian + Greek_Cretan + Italian_North + Sicilian @ 1.705
4 Corsican + Cypriot + Estonian + Gagauz @ 1.708
5 Ashkenazim_V + Estonian + Italian-Center + Italian-Center @ 1.717
6 Estonian + Greek_East + Italian_North + Jew_Italia @ 1.722
7 Corsican + Jew-Iran + Latvian + Spaniard @ 1.730
8 CEU_V + Greek_Cretan + Jew_Francestrale + Ukrainian_V @ 1.750
9 CEU_V + Greek_Cretan + Jew_Francestrale + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.751
10 British + Cypriot + Jew_Francestrale + Lithuanian_V @ 1.751
11 Ashkenazim_V + Estonian + Italian-Center + Italian-South @ 1.752
12 CEU_V + Greek_Cretan + Polish_V + Sephardim @ 1.752
13 Cypriot + Italian-Center + Latvian + Swiss @ 1.771
14 Corsican + Druze + Italian_North + Latvian @ 1.783
15 CEU + Cypriot + Jew_Francestrale + Lithuanian_V @ 1.788
16 Corsican + Jew-Iraqi + Latvian + Spaniard @ 1.792
17 Cypriot + French + Latvian + Sicilian @ 1.793
18 Bosnian + Estonian + Jew_Tat + Sardinian @ 1.794
19 Estonian + Greek_South + Italian-Center + Italian-Center @ 1.796
20 Estonian + Greek_East + Italian_North + Sephardim @ 1.802

15667690 iterations.

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Dodecad

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 32.71
2 Mediterranean 29.52
3 West_Asian 16.77
4 East_European 10.93
5 Southwest_Asian 6.8
6 Northeast_Asian 1.43
7 Northwest_African 0.75
8 East_African 0.57
9 Southeast_Asian 0.34
10 Palaeo_African 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan (Xing) 9.4
2 Tuscan (Henn) 9.82
3 TSI (HapMap) 10.19
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 15.14
5 Slovenian (Xing) 15.38
6 Romanians_14 (Behar) 15.51
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 15.54
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.58
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.09
10 Hungarians (Behar) 17.54
11 Balkans (Dodecad) 17.95
12 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.11
13 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.36
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.62
15 French (HGDP) 21.18
16 French (Dodecad) 21.4
17 CEU (HapMap) 21.73
18 Portuguese (Dodecad) 21.74
19 N._European (Xing) 22.12
20 German (Dodecad) 22.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.8% Tuscan (Xing) + 18.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.86
2 61.9% German (Dodecad) + 38.1% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.03
3 59.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 40.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.29
4 56.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 43.2% German (Dodecad) @ 2.36
5 80.7% TSI (HapMap) + 19.3% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.44
6 81.4% Tuscan (Henn) + 18.6% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.68
7 81.6% TSI (HapMap) + 18.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.02
8 63% Tuscan (Xing) + 37% Slovenian (Xing) @ 3.18
9 80.6% Tuscan (Xing) + 19.4% FIN (1000Genomes) @ 3.21
10 82.4% Tuscan (Henn) + 17.6% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.47
11 61.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.7% FIN (1000Genomes) @ 3.55
12 62.1% Tuscan (Henn) + 37.9% Slovenian (Xing) @ 3.64
13 62.3% N._European (Xing) + 37.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.65
14 61.1% TSI (HapMap) + 38.9% Slovenian (Xing) @ 3.66
15 52.8% Slovenian (Xing) + 47.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 3.69
16 55.9% German (Dodecad) + 44.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.71
17 58.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 41.3% CEU (HapMap) @ 3.77
18 60.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 39.5% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 3.77
19 61% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 39% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.8
20 61% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 39% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 3.94



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 33.32
2 Mediterranean 30.08
3 West_Asian 17.09
4 East_European 11.14
5 Southwest_Asian 6.93
6 Northeast_Asian 1.46


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 10.314
2 Tuscan @ 10.640
3 TSI @ 11.013
4 O_Italian @ 16.569
5 N_Italian @ 16.774
6 Slovenian @ 17.057
7 Romanians_14 @ 17.302
8 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 17.783
9 Ashkenazi @ 19.433
10 Hungarians @ 19.467
227 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +50% German @ 4.061
2 50% German +50% S_Italian_Sicilian @ 4.383
3 50% Greek +50% N._European @ 4.707
4 50% Ashkenazy_Jews +50% German @ 4.766
5 50% TSI +50% Slovenian @ 4.788
6 50% Slovenian +50% Tuscan @ 4.854
7 50% Ashkenazi +50% Slovenian @ 4.886
8 50% Tuscan +50% Slovenian @ 4.991
9 50% Cypriots +50% Swedish @ 5.060
10 50% Ashkenazy_Jews +50% Slovenian @ 5.087
25878 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Slovenian +25% Assyrian +25% French_Basque @ 1.972
2 50% CEU +25% Romanians_14 +25% Samaritians @ 1.999
3 50% German +25% Cypriots +25% Tuscan @ 2.043
4 50% N_Italian +25% FIN +25% Georgia_Jews @ 2.147
5 50% N._European +25% Cypriots +25% Romanians_14 @ 2.151
6 50% CEU +25% Druze +25% Romanians_14 @ 2.160
7 50% TSI +25% Ashkenazi +25% FIN @ 2.201
8 50% Ashkenazi +25% Hungarians +25% Orcadian @ 2.232
9 50% German +25% Cypriots +25% Tuscan @ 2.250
10 50% Orcadian +25% Romanians_14 +25% Samaritians @ 2.258
645040 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cypriots + FIN + Mixed_Germanic + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.213
2 Cypriots + Dutch + FIN + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.225
3 Cypriots + FIN + Mixed_Germanic + Sicilian @ 1.373
4 Cypriots + Dutch + FIN + Sicilian @ 1.422
5 Cypriots + Dutch + FIN + S_Italian @ 1.439
6 Cypriots + FIN + Kent + S_Italian @ 1.465
7 Cypriots + FIN + Kent + Sicilian @ 1.475
8 British_Isles + Cypriots + FIN + S_Italian @ 1.530
9 Cypriots + FIN + Kent + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.537
10 Cypriots + Hungarians + Swedish + TSI @ 1.586
11 C_Italian + Cypriots + FIN + N._European @ 1.606
12 Cypriots + Hungarians + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 1.610
13 Cypriots + FIN + Mixed_Germanic + S_Italian @ 1.625
14 Cypriots + O_Italian + Swedish + Slovenian @ 1.632
15 Balkans + Druze + French + N._European @ 1.636
16 C_Italian + Cypriots + FIN + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.644
17 Assyrian + Finnish + French_Basque + N_Italian @ 1.653
18 Cypriots + Hungarians + Swedish + Tuscan @ 1.657
19 Cypriots + Hungarians + Swedish + Tuscan @ 1.669
20 Cypriots + FIN + Orkney + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.673

[StonyArabia]

Given your ancestry it makes sense. Mixed Jews with Europeans often show similar results to you.

[Myth]

What i'm wondering is why 23andme claims i'm Russian and German descent? I mean of course for my mother it makes sense because she is German, is it because Jews from Romania and other countries are not as common on 23andme as say polish jews or russian jews, or jews from ukraine? It sounds like gedmatch doesn't necessarily indicate the ancestry but what groups what be closest related based on admixture from what i've read on the forums. Would this indicate I have Romanian blood or that my family was likely a Ashkenazi Jewish family that resided in Romania?

[StonyArabia]

What i'm wondering is why 23andme claims i'm Russian and German descent? I mean of course for my mother it makes sense because she is German, is it because Jews from Romania and other countries are not as common on 23andme as say polish jews or russian jews, or jews from ukraine? It sounds like gedmatch doesn't necessarily indicate the ancestry but what groups what be closest related based on admixture from what i've read on the forums. Would this indicate I have Romanian blood or that my family was likely a Ashkenazi Jewish family that resided in Romania?


A combination of all three bro.

[Maleficent]

It seems like you are half NW Euro half AJ.

[Myth]

where do you see northwest europe?

[armenianbodyhair]

What seems to be the issue?

[d3cimat3d]

http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a404/OOLJEE85/canvas.png



Yet another proof of the Khazar theory. This and Anglojew's haplogroup Q and 7eleven's 1.5% Siberian DNA makes a strong case. BTW what's with all you guys being half Jewish?

[Myth]

What seems to be the issue?

Moreso the different results from 23andme, gedmatch, mcdonald, and dodecad.

23andme lists me as having Russian ancestry primarily with Jewish Ancestry but in the other tests, i'm listed as primarily Romanian with Jewish admixture. Actually, j1c3 isn't a Jewish genetic marker but rather a middle eastern one which other Arabs and Semitic groups can have as well, I take it that's why some of the clustering is showing populations from Turkey, Iraq, and Assyrians?

it looks like Alberta cleared it up too, my family history has stated that they lived in Bukovina, Romania as well as Bucharest, Romania but were Jewish, I don't know if my family were practicing Jews, my dad stated that we originally were from the middle east, so not sure if that implied that in recent history or the far past, our family migrated and mixed with Romanians or not or if those graphs simply resemble similarities with populations.

According to 23andme forums, a Jewish person in Romania wouldn't have been considered a native but would have been viewed as an alien or a state within a state, my family left sometime in the late 1800's, I know they had some farms or property and went to England for a while (so the story goes) and then went to Chicago in the US.

Not really sure how integrated or assimilated into Romanian society they would be or if they were genetically different from the surrounding population. They didn't have Romanian last names.

[Myth]

That doesn't prove Khazar ancestry, my Y dna was J1c3, and Siberian can be found in many Eastern European populations that were invaded by the Mongols. Actually on dodecad, there's quite a few examples of individuals from Saudi Arabia also having trace amounts of East Asian, the Mongols also sacked Baghdad at one time.

My dad was a practicing Jew, my mother was a German/French Catholic.

[Maleficent]

where do you see northwest europe?

I'm seeing lots of French and German in your results; that counts as NW Euro. And you said yourself that your maternal ancestry is French and German.

[Myth]

I'm seeing lots of French and German in your results; that counts as NW Euro. And you said yourself that your maternal ancestry is French and German.

wouldn't that be more central and western european?

[d3cimat3d]

That doesn't prove Khazar ancestry, my Y dna was J1c3, and Siberian can be found in many Eastern European populations that were invaded by the Mongols. Actually on dodecad, there's quite a few examples of individuals from Saudi Arabia also having trace amounts of East Asian, the Mongols also sacked Baghdad at one time.

My dad was a practicing Jew, my mother was a German/French Catholic.

I'm not saying all Jews are Khazars, but Khazars didn't just disappear instead they assimilated into the pre-existing Jewish communities of Europe. Your East_Asian comes from your dads side, I don't see how a German/French mix would have any. In Ashkenazim the Khazar ancestry is there, it's just tiny and not really worth mentioning.

[Maleficent]

wouldn't that be more central and western european?

As far as I know French and German counts as NW Euro on these tests; NW Europe is not just British Isles, ya know.

[Myth]

I'm not saying all Jews are Khazars, but Khazars didn't just disappear instead they assimilated into the pre-existing Jewish communities of Europe. Your East_Asian comes from your dads side, I don't see how a German/French mix would have any. In Ashkenazim the Khazar ancestry is there, it's just tiny and not really worth mentioning.


I don't think there is evidence the khazars mixed with existing Jewish communities, there were actually Jewish communities that existed in Europe prior to the Khazars. It's not to say that it didn't happen, but there hasn't been evidence to suggest that Khazars mixed with the Ashkenazi or that the Khazars didn't simply became what is known as Azerbaijan and other central Asian countries today.

Jewish communities on what would later become Romanian territory were attested as early as the 2nd century AD, at a time when the Roman Empire had established its rule over Dacia. Inscriptions and coins have been found in such places as Sarmizegetusa and Orșova.

The Asian ancestry as you had stated is minimal, Mcdonald had stated it could be noise and was too little to attribute it to a specific group.

[d3cimat3d]

I don't think there is evidence the khazars mixed with existing Jewish communities,

There's hardly even any evidence on who the Khazars were, let alone their activities.


there were actually Jewish communities that existed in Europe prior to the Khazars.

Exactly, and why wouldn't Khazars merge into those communities after getting their asses kicked by Svyatoslav?



It's not to say that it didn't happen, but there hasn't been evidence to suggest that Khazars mixed with the Ashkenazi or that the Khazars didn't simply became what is known as Azerbaijan and other central Asian countries today.

The Kumyks of Dagestan may be related to Khazars other than that they faded from history.



The Asian ancestry as you had stated is minimal, Mcdonald had stated it could be noise and was too little to attribute it to a specific group.

Well considering that Anglojew has haplogroup Q, and 7eleven (also half Jewish half NW euro) is something like 1.5% Siberian, it doesn't seem like noise or a coincidence to me.

By the way, this might interest you:

http://genohistory.blogspot.com/2013/10/ashkenazi-jews-deciphered.html

[curupira]

what's with all you guys being half Jewish?

I'd expect the US to have a significant population of a half or a quarter Jewish people.

[7eleven]

Your results are similar to mine and im half Jewish half Germanic.

[Myth]

Interesting, does my face look typical Jewish? I didn't see anywhere in results that indicates more of a Mesopotamian than Levantine descent. I've heard people in Israel say my dads face looks similar to a Mizrahi.

[Maleficent]

Interesting, does my face look typical Jewish?
You don't look typical Jewish in the sense of looking full Levantine and/or Mesopotamian; I'm sure you resemble plenty of AJ and half AJ.

I didn't see anywhere in results that indicates more of a Mesopotamian than Levantine descent.You got a lot of Assyrian, Armenian, Jew_Iraqi, and Jew_Iran in your 4 Populations Approximations rather than Samaritan, Druze, Jew_Syria, Lebanese, Syrian, or Palestinian; which does indicate a Mesopotamian rather than Levantine ancestry. It doesn't matter, either one would indicate your Jewish ancestry. It actually makes you even more Jewish since Jews originate from ancient Mesopotamia/Babylonia before arriving in the Promised Land of Israel.

I've heard people in Israel say my dads face looks similar to a Mizrahi.
Post your dad.

[Myth]

Sure

http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a404/OOLJEE85/againtr2-1.jpg

http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a404/OOLJEE85/3-1.jpg

http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a404/OOLJEE85/1-1.jpg

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/37135_454670529802_2148222_n.jpg

my dad as a kid

http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a404/OOLJEE85/2-2.jpg

[Maleficent]

^^Yeah, he passes Middle Eastern, even though technically only half. :)

[Myth]

Are Assyrians related to jews? I noticed on some results mine shows Assyrian as well.

[Yehiel]

Are Assyrians related to jews? I noticed on some results mine shows Assyrian as well.

Mine do to. Im a religious Jew so i believe we come out of what is now Iraq, also home to the original Assyrians, they to are also descendants of Shem like us. A Israelite would have very similar admixture to that of a modern Assyrian i believe.

Which is why we show similarities.

[Myth]

Mine do to. Im a religious Jew so i believe we come out of what is now Iraq, also home to the original Assyrians, they to are also descendants of Shem like us. A Israelite would have very similar admixture to that of a modern Assyrian i believe.

Which is why we show similarities.

I see, I notice many Assyrians are also j1c3, some do look very similar to jews too.

[Yehiel]

I see, I notice many Assyrians are also j1c3, some do look very similar to jews too.

They are what the ancient Israelites probably would have looked like. atleast the ancient Assyrians were.

[Mortimer]

interesting bro, congrats

[Myth]

They are what the ancient Israelites probably would have looked like. atleast the ancient Assyrians were.

I see, does my family resemble ancient Israelites as in my fathers family?

Also I think my results are strange, they are very consistent with being romanian and Jewish on most tests however to see results as exotic as Sardinian, Jewish, Hungarian, romanian they are completely different groups and have different origins which is why the macdonald results are confusing.

[Yehiel]

I see, does my family resemble ancient Israelites as in my fathers family?

Also I think my results are strange, they are very consistent with being romanian and Jewish on most tests however to see results as exotic as Sardinian, Jewish, Hungarian, romanian they are completely different groups and have different origins which is why the macdonald results are confusing.

Your father looks Mizrahi, as most Cohens do. I noticed Cohens (descandents of Aaron) tend to have the most darkest and middle eastern looking of all Ashkenazi Jews, i think they preserved their lineage the best among all of them. I dont know if he looks like a typical Israelite but deffinately could pass in the Middle East.

[Myth]

Your father looks Mizrahi, as most Cohens do. I noticed Cohens (descandents of Aaron) tend to have the most darkest and middle eastern looking of all Ashkenazi Jews, i think they preserved their lineage the best among all of them. I dont know if he looks like a typical Israelite but deffinately could pass in the Middle East.

It depends on the Cohen, the ones who changed names I don't think look similar but I agree the j1 cohens do look very Semitic, most of our family is extremely tall and robust rather than thin. Not sure average height in the Middle East but we have some gigantic monsters in our family.

[Mortimer]

i just checked my 23andme and i have now different countries of ancestry again, serbia and bosnia are gone instead i have ukraine and croatia (did had that before too but then it changed to serbia and bosnia). i have now 1016 relatives, crossed the 1000 mark

[Yehiel]

i just checked my 23andme and i have now different countries of ancestry again, serbia and bosnia are gone instead i have ukraine and croatia (did had that before too but then it changed to serbia and bosnia). i have now 1016 relatives, crossed the 1000 mark

I just got 3 new countries, Syria, & Trinidad and Tobago. and another Turkish cousin.

[Yehiel]

It depends on the Cohen, the ones who changed names I don't think look similar but I agree the j1 cohens do look very Semitic, most of our family is extremely tall and robust rather than thin. Not sure average height in the Middle East but we have some gigantic monsters in our family.

Yeah the ones who changed their names and have recent Ashkenazi admixture look like typcial Ashkenaz but the j1 Cohens are distinguishable from Ashkenazi and sometime are a surprise to find out they are Ashkenazi.

[Myth]

Yeah the ones who changed their names and have recent Ashkenazi admixture look like typcial Ashkenaz but the j1 Cohens are distinguishable from Ashkenazi and sometime are a surprise to find out they are Ashkenazi.

What's interesting is none of our family ever called themselves ashkenazi, didn't observe ashkenazi tradition or speak Yiddish, actually they spoke romanian. They did learn Yiddish later to read the newspapers in the US.

[Yehiel]

What's interesting is none of our family ever called themselves ashkenazi, didn't observe ashkenazi tradition or speak Yiddish, actually they spoke romanian. They did learn Yiddish later to read the newspapers in the US.

Are you guys religious Jews? Cohen Priest were/are a huge part of Judaism. & will be even bigger when the Temple comes back

[Myth]

Are you guys religious Jews? Cohen Priest were/are a huge part of Judaism. & will be even bigger when the Temple comes back

I'm not, my dad's family was orthodox but I think someone along the way converted to Christianity for citizenship purposes at that time that lived in Austria or Romania something like that.

Checked my 23andme and the countries are the same,I haven't successfully found anyone directly related to me, infact if anything, the history of the individuals who supposedly are very closely related have conflicting history to mine and actually shows a completely different history.