How come my Paternal Phased Gedmatch results seem more like they would be for me vs my father?

[7eleven]

Here are some of my paternal phased gedmatch results:

1 69.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 30.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 4.85
2 70.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 29.5% Jordanians (Behar) @ 4.92
3 81.6% German (Dodecad) + 18.4% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.08
4 82.7% German (Dodecad) + 17.3% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.34
5 70.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.43
6 71.3% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 28.7% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.52
7 72% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 28% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.64
8 70.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 29.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 5.66
9 73% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 27% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 5.68
10 72.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 27.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 5.76
11 81.7% German (Dodecad) + 18.3% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.79
12 68.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 31.6% Turks (Behar) @ 5.83
13 72.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 27.3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 5.88
14 69.6% Swedish (Dodecad) + 30.4% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.89
15 70.6% Swedish (Dodecad) + 29.4% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.9
16 80.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 19.3% Yemenese (Behar) @ 5.92
17 71.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 28.8% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.93
18 67.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 32.2% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.98
19 72.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 27.2% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 6
20 79.1% German (Dodecad) + 20.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6


They dont seem like they would be my fathers results at all because he is mostly German with other European elements. I am the one who would be scoring 1/4 Middle Eastern. So why are the paternal phased results like this?

[7eleven]

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[7eleven]

You mean your father has no known non European ancestry?

In that case maybe it's your mother's kit? As you know, after phasing you get two kits.

The other kit just shows up as fully southern european.

[7eleven]

What was the test in the OP?

Dodecad K12b.
Since one kit came up as full Greek/southern European and the other came up as 3/4 northern european 1/4 middle eastern. Would this mean im 1/2 southern european, 3/8 northern european, and 1/8 middle eastern??

[Prince Carlo]

Eurogenes is better than Dodecad for North Europeans.

[Skywalker]

7eleven keep in mind these phased results are only what "half" of a parent's DNA would look like. It is not their whole genome.

[Alessio]

Yes I've this too with my phased kit; it's made from my raw data and that from my mom but is clearly too much leaning to the center of Italy while my results are clearly more in favor for a more ''Southern'' influence for my paternal half like was being presented by Davidski as well based on both raw data's.
Some calculators like Dodecad k12b are giving Tuscan as a top population and AJ as a second.


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle



# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 23.16
2 East_Med 20.66
3 West_Med 16.25
4 West_Asian 13.95
5 North_Sea 8.72
6 Baltic 4.94
7 Red_Sea 4.56
8 Northeast_African 3.93
9 Southeast_Asian 2.06


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.568220
2 West_Sicilian @ 9.685355
3 Tuscan @ 9.710010
4 East_Sicilian @ 12.643586
5 Greek @ 13.252360
6 Central_Greek @ 13.369491
7 South_Italian @ 13.922703
8 North_Italian @ 14.363644
9 Ashkenazi @ 15.460192
10 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.932515
11 Sephardic_Jewish @ 17.704800
12 Italian_Jewish @ 17.857672
13 Bulgarian @ 18.126291
14 Algerian_Jewish @ 19.124092
15 Spanish_Andalucia @ 19.325808
16 Romanian @ 19.993484
17 Spanish_Extremadura @ 20.414204
18 Spanish_Murcia @ 20.450472
19 Spanish_Valencia @ 21.339502
20 Portuguese @ 21.519060

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +50% French_Basque @ 5.642593


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Jordanian @ 4.490822

Oracle:

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 46.4% French_Basque @ 5
2 65.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 34.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.3
3 65.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 34.6% Assyrian @ 5.32
4 61.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 38.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 5.52
5 50.9% French_Basque + 49.1% Assyrian @ 5.52
6 58.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 41.3% Turkish @ 5.53
7 66.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 33.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.59
8 62.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 37.5% Assyrian @ 5.64
9 52.9% Syrian + 47.1% French_Basque @ 5.65
10 58.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 41.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 5.68
11 52.3% French_Basque + 47.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.77
12 67.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 32.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.78
13 59.9% Spanish_Aragon + 40.1% Assyrian @ 5.79
14 52.6% French_Basque + 47.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.79
15 63% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 37% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.85
16 63.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 36.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.86
17 60.4% Spanish_Aragon + 39.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.87
18 55.4% Spanish_Aragon + 44.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 5.92
19 66.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 33.9% Armenian @ 5.97
20 55.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 44.5% Turkish @ 6

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle:3

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.95
2 East_Med 23.86
3 West_Med 21.75
4 West_Asian 13.16
5 Baltic 5.89
6 Red_Sea 3.96
7 Northeast_African 3.51
8 East_Asian 2.64
9 Siberian 1.11
10 Amerindian 0.14
11 South_Asian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 6.56
2 West_Sicilian 6.76
3 Tuscan 7.75
4 East_Sicilian 9.79
5 Central_Greek 10.05
6 South_Italian 10.47
7 Greek_Thessaly 11.37
8 North_Italian 12.27
9 Ashkenazi 13.58
10 Sephardic_Jewish 15.06
11 Italian_Jewish 15.42
12 Algerian_Jewish 16.12
13 Bulgarian 17.55
14 Romanian 18.41
15 Spanish_Extremadura 18.71
16 Tunisian_Jewish 19.08
17 Portuguese 19.13
18 Spanish_Andalucia 19.22
19 Libyan_Jewish 19.34
20 Spanish_Murcia 19.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.9% Spanish_Murcia + 38.1% Assyrian @ 4.19
2 57.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 42.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.31
3 63.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 36.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.32
4 62.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 37.6% Assyrian @ 4.35
5 60.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 39.8% Assyrian @ 4.46
6 59.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 40.2% Assyrian @ 4.48
7 54.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 45.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.49
8 62.8% Spanish_Murcia + 37.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.52
9 60.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 39.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.56
10 63.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 36.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.57
11 57% Spanish_Murcia + 43% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.61
12 62.9% Spanish_Murcia + 37.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.65
13 61.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 38.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.72
14 52.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 47.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.72
15 55.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 44.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.77
16 62.6% Portuguese + 37.4% Assyrian @ 4.79
17 63.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 36.8% Assyrian @ 4.79
18 54.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 45.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.81
19 50.1% Southwest_French + 49.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.81
20 60.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 39.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.86

Dodecad V3

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 33.63
2 West_European 25.86
3 West_Asian 22.6
4 Southwest_Asian 8.36
5 East_African 2.91
6 East_European 2.91
7 Northwest_African 1.63
8 Southeast_Asian 0.77
9 South_Asian 0.73
10 Northeast_Asian 0.41
11 Neo_African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan (Xing) 6.53
2 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 7.03
3 TSI (HapMap) 7.27
4 Tuscan (Henn) 7.58
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 7.81
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.44
7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 11.75
8 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 13.73
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.33
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 14.49
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.22
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.86
13 Greek (Dodecad) 17.42
14 S_Italian (Dodecad) 17.65
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 19.21
16 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.81
17 Romanians_14 (Behar) 20.54
18 Stalskoe (Xing) 24.02
19 Portuguese (Dodecad) 24.19
20 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.7% Tuscan (Xing) + 14.3% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.16
2 81.6% Tuscan (Xing) + 18.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.24
3 84.1% TSI (HapMap) + 15.9% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.26
4 83.4% Tuscan (Xing) + 16.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.29
5 79.6% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 20.4% French (HGDP) @ 3.3
6 79.5% TSI (HapMap) + 20.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.3
7 82.9% Tuscan (Xing) + 17.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 3.31
8 83.6% Tuscan (Xing) + 16.4% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.31
9 86.1% Tuscan (Xing) + 13.9% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 3.32
10 84.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 15.6% Kent (1000 Genomes) @ 3.32
11 85% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 15% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) @ 3.35
12 83.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 16.3% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 3.38
13 85% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 15% British (Dodecad) @ 3.38
14 85.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 14.9% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 3.4
15 84% Tuscan (Xing) + 16% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.4
16 86.4% Tuscan (Xing) + 13.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 3.41
17 81.7% TSI (HapMap) + 18.3% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.41
18 81.6% TSI (HapMap) + 18.4% Kurd (Xing) @ 3.42
19 83.7% Tuscan (Henn) + 16.3% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 3.43
20 83.5% Tuscan (Henn) + 16.5% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.45


MDLP k23b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.76
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.98
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 14.87
4 Near_East 8.69
5 South_Central_Asian 7.24
6 North_African 3.86
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.95
8 Tungus-Altaic 1.00

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_West @ 4.493003
2 Sicilian_Trapani @ 6.090573
3 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 6.151142
4 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 6.346590
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 6.671322
6 Greek_Northwest @ 7.349701
7 Ashkenazi @ 7.401708
8 Sicilian_Agrigento @ 7.627516
9 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 7.841793
10 Sicilian_East @ 8.006815
11 Central_Greek @ 8.045705
12 Maltese @ 8.520687
13 Italian_Tuscan @ 8.676081
14 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.833307
15 Albanian_Tirana @ 8.891654
16 Romanian_Jew @ 8.902793
17 Greek_Athens @ 9.134719
18 Greek @ 9.420085
19 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 9.526866
20 Kosovar @ 9.761317

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Northwest +50% Sicilian_West @ 2.458127


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Smyrna +25% Maltese +25% Welsh @ 1.446457


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Albanian_Tirana + Greek_Macedonia + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.305495
2 Albanian_Tirana + Greek + Spanish_Murcia_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.312467
3 Greek_Peloponnesos + Italian_South + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.347076
4 Greek_Northwest + Italian_South + Spaniard + Turk_Adana @ 1.356383
5 French + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_South + Turk_Adana @ 1.371022
6 Greek_Athens + Greek_Peloponnesos + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.373073
7 Ashkenazi + Greek_Northwest + Spanish_Baleares_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.382523
8 Greek_Northwest + Greek_Thessaly + Jew_Tat + Spanish_Murcia_IBS @ 1.389035
9 Greek_Macedonia + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.394291
10 Greek + Greek_Peloponnesos + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.394291
11 Albanian_Tirana + Greek_Athens + Spanish_Galicia_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.403236
12 Azov_Greek + Greek_Northwest + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Syrian_Jew @ 1.403444
13 Albanian_Tirana + Greek_Athens + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.410748
14 Greek_Athens + Greek_Peloponnesos + Spanish_Galicia_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.411793
15 Greek_Athens + Greek_Peloponnesos + Spaniard + Turk_Adana @ 1.416113
16 Greek + Greek_Peloponnesos + Spanish_Valencia_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.425235
17 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.425371
18 Albanian_Tirana + Greek + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.426343
19 Greek_Macedonia + Greek_Peloponnesos + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + Turk_Adana @ 1.429194
20 Albanian_Tirana + Greek_Northwest + Jew_Tat + Spanish_Murcia_IBS @ 1.436282

Jtest Oracle:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 23.17
2 ATLANTIC 17.23
3 WEST_MED 15.15
4 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 11.37
5 WEST_ASIAN 10.98
6 ASHKENAZI 7.43
7 MIDDLE_EASTERN 5.7
8 SOUTH_BALTIC 4.53
9 EAST_AFRICAN 2.22
10 EAST_EURO 0.97
11 EAST_ASIAN 0.71
12 SIBERIAN 0.36
13 WEST_AFRICAN 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 8.16
2 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 8.55
3 GR 11.08
4 North_Italian 11.65
5 PT 17.43
6 RO 17.5
7 ES 19.03
8 Serbian 19.24
9 FR 21.45
10 TR 22.68
11 AJ 23.18
12 AT 23.22
13 HU 24.54
14 West_&_Central_German 26.64
15 NL 27.81
16 Armenian 27.91
17 Cornish 28.09
18 Assyrian 28.19
19 English 28.64
20 IQ 29.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% ES + 39.9% Assyrian @ 4.42
2 62.4% PT + 37.6% Assyrian @ 4.71
3 81.2% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 18.8% Scottish @ 4.79
4 81.3% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 18.7% French_Basque @ 4.82
5 81.1% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 18.9% IE @ 4.99
6 79.9% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 20.1% Cornish @ 5.01
7 81.1% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 18.9% Orcadian @ 5.08
8 62.2% PT + 37.8% Armenian @ 5.1
9 75.3% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 24.7% FR @ 5.16
10 75.8% GR + 24.2% French_Basque @ 5.19
11 74% North_Italian + 26% Mandean @ 5.22
12 61.8% ES + 38.2% Mandean @ 5.24
13 72.7% North_Italian + 27.3% Assyrian @ 5.27
14 60% ES + 40% Armenian @ 5.29
15 80.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 19.2% English @ 5.33
16 82.9% Tuscan + 17.1% Mandean @ 5.42
17 73.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 26.5% ES @ 5.45
18 82.6% Tuscan + 17.4% IQ @ 5.51
19 82.8% Tuscan + 17.2% Kurdish @ 5.52
20 82.9% Tuscan + 17.1% IR @ 5.53