Sometimes I have heard people say that Scandinavians are part Mongoloid.
I am not referring to the Finns, just Swedes, Norwegians and Danes.
Also I know of the existence of the Saamis but I am asking about ethnic Swedes, Norwegians and Danes.
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Sometimes I have heard people say that Scandinavians are part Mongoloid.
I am not referring to the Finns, just Swedes, Norwegians and Danes.
Also I know of the existence of the Saamis but I am asking about ethnic Swedes, Norwegians and Danes.
http://i.hizliresim.com/mP07mY.gif
North asian mongoloid haplogroup N. Some Eastern swedes has that.
http://i.hizliresim.com/JYjk1W.gif
East asian admixture.
http://i.hizliresim.com/VVjXqP.gif
An east asian haplogroup Q. exist but not too much
Perhaps only the Sweden-Finns in significant percentages outside of Finland.
Wow Finns must really be Mongols :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alessio
East Asian Dna in Europe(Longbowman made this map a while back with Eurogenes averages)
http://i58.tinypic.com/2drxnvm.jpg
The very sparsely populated far northern regions of Sweden/Norway have some Mongoloid influence(1%-4%) but in the rest of Scandinavia it is negligible(0.1%-0.2%).
Swedes are among the most attractive people on the planet, and I recently watched a Swedish series on Netflix and the Swedish girl in the show (probably in her late 20s or early 30s) was DROP DEAD GORGEOUS.
I don't know the exact percentage of Mongoloid admixture, but according to these calculations, Swedes are definitely very "Indo-European" (very much like Ugrian Finns who are at least 75% genetically Indo-European):
Early_Indoeuropean (Swedish 78.8):
https://i.ibb.co/L6FgPJq/1606135827726.png
https://archive.is/JJjOH/65531cb0d58...0525521cd9.png
According to the ratings of Tor Georg Jakobsen - NTNU, Professor in political science from 2015:
Never Marry a Swede - POPULAR SOCIAL SCIENCE
Swedish people are often portayed as kind, beautiful, and tolerant. Despite this, there is one good reason why you should never marry a Swede, unless you want your children to have blonde hair and the character of Attila the Hun.
Well, research shows Swedes and Norwegians have, unlike the rest of Europe, a large share of their genes from the Hunnic invaders of the early middle ages. The evidence is supported both by the archeology and DNA-studies of the current population of southern Scandinavia.
Also, studies by Swedish Professor Åke Daun show that foreigners perceive Swedes as being cold heartless people with a sluggish mind. These are traits that can be attributed to their Attila-genes.
The Great Migrations and the Huns
In the period of the Völkerwanderung several tribes emigrated from southern Scandinavia, due to factors like overpopulation and worsening of the climate. Groups like the Goths, Vandals, Angles, Saxons, Langobards, Heruli, and Burgunds migrated southwards. Following the downfall of the Western Roman Empire, these tribes laid the foundations for several new kingdoms in Europe.
However, another group joined in on the Völkerwanderung, namely the Huns. A nomadic people from beyond the Volga, they contributed to the downfall of the West Roman Empire, and both fought and allied themselves with the Scandinavian tribes. They were led by their ruler Attila, and the tribe gave its name to present-day Hungary.
DNA-studies – The Mysterious Haplogroup Q
By investigating a man’s Y-chromosome one can determine which haplogroup he belongs to. The markers one looks at (denoted with a letter) tells us which “tribe” your father’s father’s father’s father came from. As previously explored in the article “Who Are We? – Uncovering the Mystery of the Origin of Europeans” I identified the four haplogroups I1, I2a (the original Mesolothic Europeans), R1a, and R1b (the Indo-European invaders) as the true European groups.
Yet, there are other haplogroups present in Europe, such as the Asian N1c1, which is dominant in Finland, and is also found in the Baltics and northern Scandinavia. This marker is easy to explain, as it goes hand in hand with the Uralic languages of the Finns, Estonians, and Samis.
The presence of haplogroup Q in Scandinavia, on the other hand, has been a mystery to scientists. On a world basis, this is the dominant haplogroup among North- and South-American Indians. The red stars on the map show where there is a large presence (more than four percent) of this haplogroup in Europe. When viewing the map, one question naturally springs to mind: Why is there such a heavy presence of this group in southern Scandinavia (and not in Germany, Britain, France, and other countries)?
Several theories emerged. One is that it is from the Sami people coming from the north, however this is easy to dismiss, as haplogroup Q has no correlation with the presence of the Sami/Finn haplogroup N1c1. A more original theory was that it came to the shores of Norway through Eskimos crossing the North Sea in kayaks. This was clearly not a reasonable explanation, as the chance of enough Eskimos surviving such a trip in order to make a significant impact on the Scandinavian gene pool is very slim.
However, one theory seems highly plausible. Haplogroup Q came with the Hunnic invaders from the East. This makes sense with the presence on the steppes (the Huns were a horse-steppe people) as well as in Hungary (where most Huns settled after all the fighting) and in some parts of Slovakia (close to Hungary).
So, how did they come to Scandinavia? Well, it is well known that the Huns often allied themselves with the previously described Scandinavian tribes. The way this was done was that the Huns established themselves as the elite, while the Scandinavians were soldiers. A large group of Huns could very well be amongst the Goths and/or Heruli going back to Scandinavia at the end of the Migration Period. The same explanation can be attributed to the red star marked in southwest France, where a portion of the Huns probably settled together with the Burgunds (as this is also the territory of the first Burgund kingdom).
In present day Scandinavia, more than four percent of men in southeast Sweden and large parts of eastern Norway carry the Hunnic genetic marker, in the rest of southern Sweden and Norway the percentage stands at between three and four percent. This can be considered a significant share of the population, especially when juxtaposed with other parts of Europe.
The Archeology
Facial masks from the period of the Great Migrations show faces with marked Asian features, like this one from Lunde in Telemark, Norway.
According to Professor of Archeology at the University of Oslo, Lotte Hedeager, the old Norwegian (and also Swedish) ruling class consisted of Huns. She argues that a new and strong social order was established with the arrival of the Huns, something that enabled them to resist the victorious Christian countries to the south.
Hedeager goes even further, stating that Attila could very well have been the same person as the Viking god Odin, hijacking the position of the already established Woden. The writings of the Icelandic historian Snorri Sturluson partly support this theory, as he wrote that the Gods (who were called Æsir) came from the area around the Don river in Russia. This link has previously been explored by the famous Norwegian explorer Thor Heyerdahl, with his archeological expedition to Azov in Russia. Also, many of the names given in the Nordic sagas are parallel to the names of Hunnic kings, like Halfdan (Huldin), Roar (Ruga), Ottar (Ottar), and Adils (Attila).
Conclusion
It may be a surprise to many, but it seems like southern Scandinavia has a larger presence of non-European genes than many other parts of Europe. Both DNA- and archeological evidence point to this, more spesific; the presence of haplogroup Q as well as a change in burial traditions in Sweden and Norway. Also, Atle, which is derived from Attila, is a common name in present day Scandinavia.
Following this, our poster boy from my previous article may not be as European as one might expect. Behind those innocent eyes hides the ruthlessness of the Hunnic invaders, who, under their leader Attila, contributed to the end of classical antiquity and led Europe into the dark ages.
Further reading:
Hedeager, Lotte (2011). Iron Age Myth and Materiality. Hoboken: Taylor & Francis.
Jakobsen, Tor G. (2012) “Who Are We? Uncovering the Mystery of the Origin of Europeans” Popular Social Science 1(1).
*Cover photo by Ulrich Berkner, viking helmet photo by Elana Pleskevich
Spreadsheet of this calculator?Quote:
Originally Posted by VikLevaPatel
Usually only Northern Swedes, some Norwegians as well as Swedes with recent Finnish immigrant ancestry do. Less than 5%. But for example the Northern Swedes (Norrland) are only about 15% of the total population, so keep that in mind too.
Obviously I'm excluding Finland and the Sami people.
Genetically Closest Modern Populations to the Bronze Age Population of Sintashta, hypothesized to be the Proto-Indo-Iranian people (Calculated using G25 Vahaduo) : r/IndoEuropean
The Ruins of Arkaim, an ancient Proto-Indo-Iranian site belonging to the Sintastha Culture, Russia [1280x851] : r/ArtefactPorn
Eugenics and Racial Biology in Sweden and the USSR: Contacts across the Baltic Sea: https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/pd...8/cbmh.31.1.41
Admixture analyses indicate that 87% of the Sami gene pool is of European origin and that the Asian contribution is 13%.
It turns out that ancient DNA of the “first farmers” and their “hunter-gatherer” neighbors in Central Europe reveals a lot of discontinuity between both these groups and modern Europeans.
Ancient DNA from European Early Neolithic Farmers Reveals Their Near Eastern Affinities
Genetic Discontinuity Between Local Hunter-Gatherers and Central Europe's First Farmers
Adaptation of human skin color in various populations
Skin color adaptation in modern Eurasians. In Europeans, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 are two golden genes related to the evolution of the light skin color. SLC24A5 encodes the NCKX5 protein, which is a member of the transmembrane protein family and regulates the calcium concentration in the melanosome.
Vahaduo's tool tutorial.
Kalevan ja Untamon geenit: New Vahaduo samples for Eurogenes K13 calculator
Ancient DNA Era: West Iranian vs. East Iranian ancestry (with Vahaduo's tool tutorial) – Ancient DNA Era
Why do Mongolians look partly Caucasian?
Global25 workshop 1: that classic West Eurasian plot
Playing with percentages
The Legal Genealogist keeps saying, over and over, that the admixture percentages we see in all the autosomal DNA test results are only good for cocktail party conversation. The point is that when a substantial portion of your DNA doesn’t align with any of the populations within the model, the calculator will assign it to the nearest fit. If you have a good idea about your ancestry going back several generations, you can usually see that the calculator is giving you a community “close by”. But if you are exploring your admixtures from a position of uncertainty, there’s no real way to be sure that the results are valid.
This Vahaduo source works, not only for Finns, but also for most Europeans.
Distance to: SW1
4.84321484 Swedish
9.08565941 German2
14.37614628 English
14.72009511 Southwest_Finnish
15.76318309 Scottish
15.84575634 Irish
17.47483333 Slovakian
17.88565906 Tavastian
18.92738212 Polish
19.24172622 German1
20.23058121 Slovenian
20.39940212 Hungarian
21.58759922 Estonian
22.51913255 Belarusian
23.21613562 Ukrainian
23.76764296 Russian
24.60226697 Russian_Kostroma
25.63138067 Croatian
26.14884458 French_North
27.32738215 Bosnia
27.64882095 Karelian
29.10068083 Russian_Mezen
29.50282800 Latvian
30.00713362 Serbian
32.10111998 Romanian2
Distance to: SW2
4.76361942 Swedish
9.97842382 English
11.42925225 German2
11.76333630 Scottish
12.10173021 Irish
17.12042371 German1
19.07677908 Southwest_Finnish
19.96951777 Slovakian
21.15879233 French_North
21.22635501 Hungarian
21.41630258 Slovenian
21.47577472 Tavastian
22.97493404 Polish
26.14389871 Estonian
26.35315987 Croatian
26.73044689 Belarusian
27.03256986 Ukrainian
28.00378853 Russian
28.31131320 Bosnia
28.67605796 Russian_Kostroma
30.03418166 Serbian
31.60110922 Romanian2
32.02785975 Karelian
32.14945048 Montenegro
32.54866510 Spain
Distance to: SW3
8.02847619 Swedish
8.99989344 English
9.40301978 Scottish
9.84646200 Irish
15.25318678 German2
17.95213436 German1
18.47882770 French_North
22.64883441 Southwest_Finnish
23.73382776 Slovakian
24.71526101 Hungarian
24.72452984 Slovenian
24.76293399 Tavastian
26.99272150 Polish
29.47236121 Croatian
29.95231744 Estonian
30.74116314 Belarusian
31.03001987 Ukrainian
31.53144549 Bosnia
32.03265852 Russian
32.16611478 Spain
32.58664174 Russian_Kostroma
32.73064174 French_South
32.91061968 Serbian
34.07996690 Romanian2
34.48848309 Montenegro
Distance to: SW4
3.81253852 Swedish
6.64648983 German2
13.54126516 English
14.44289445 Southwest_Finnish
15.20179660 Slovakian
15.86385454 Scottish
16.05830794 Irish
17.28767769 Tavastian
17.38012238 Polish
17.48186455 German1
17.70703722 Hungarian
17.77960281 Slovenian
20.77372956 Estonian
21.08878448 Belarusian
21.62329468 Ukrainian
22.50941474 Russian
23.15078130 Croatian
23.51051850 Russian_Kostroma
24.92523932 Bosnia
25.53229118 French_North
27.34321305 Karelian
27.46973513 Serbian
28.22881019 Russian_Mezen
28.84988180 Latvian
29.66774316 Romanian2
Distance to: SW5
6.09082343 Swedish
10.66061851 German2
14.40710248 English
15.12088622 Southwest_Finnish
15.77845496 Scottish
16.03133912 Irish
17.44159970 Tavastian
19.03409572 Slovakian
20.26209732 German1
20.70300205 Polish
21.31218916 Hungarian
21.74168384 Slovenian
22.55908420 Estonian
23.98027671 Belarusian
24.72684559 Ukrainian
25.22431113 Russian
25.44401305 Russian_Kostroma
25.66503289 French_North
26.87700123 Croatian
27.88835779 Karelian
28.55253920 Bosnia
29.49133983 Russian_Mezen
30.75229487 Latvian
30.96281137 Serbian
33.07117724 Romanian2
Distance to: SW6
4.42335054 Swedish
8.95804789 English
9.49628806 German2
11.90595905 Scottish
12.27389237 Irish
14.37436426 German1
17.56876034 Slovakian
18.28533366 Hungarian
18.42977417 Slovenian
19.00701186 Southwest_Finnish
20.55168930 French_North
21.43817096 Polish
21.48812463 Tavastian
23.19275480 Croatian
25.22346437 Bosnia
25.30722847 Ukrainian
25.49494403 Belarusian
25.72811653 Estonian
26.64079601 Russian
26.74136249 Serbian
27.51869619 Russian_Kostroma
28.25581080 Romanian2
28.74502646 Montenegro
29.93743710 Spain
30.48948040 Macedonia
English,49.677,24.412,13.07,4.5,4.9,0.336,0.863,0. 148,0.299,0.731,0.496,0.311,0.349
French_South,46.981,9.412,31.737,0.827,6.614,1.522 ,1.15,0.722,0.24,0.275,0.127,0.342,0.182
French_North,55.948,14.674,16.21,3.28,6.702,1.188, 0.44,0.543,0.275,0.205,0.224,0.115,0.185
Italian_South,16.7,5.93,22.123,15.056,31.91,5.922, 0.361,0.22,0.168,0.29,0.388,0.57,0.357
Spanish,40.506,10.274,27.622,2.481,12.516,3.556,0. 124,0.291,0.181,0.26,0.247,1.528,0.41
Italian_North,29.601,8.45,28.49,7.156,23.531,1.235 ,0.088,0.431,0.298,0.178,0.135,0.204,0.195
German1,40.98,22.224,17.045,7.311,7.312,1.644,1.7, 0.13,0.235,0.227,0.698,0.242,0.242
German2,39.258,36.3,10.721,5.077,4.763,1.013,0.546 ,0.146,0.551,0.41,0.667,0.228,0.313
Swedish,46.05,32.957,9.932,4.922,2.47,0.256,0.676, 0.458,0.836,0.556,0.513,0.15,0.216
Southwest_Finnish,37.56,46.00,5.45,3.16,0.04,0.33, 0.12,0.00,5.89,1.11,0.32,0.02,0.00
Estonian,31.866,51.594,6.549,2.363,1.251,0.589,1.5 05,0.095,2.358,0.741,0.552,0.266,0.261
Russian_Kostroma,26.193,48.541,6.213,5.351,3.188,0 .391,1.046,0.685,6.373,1.155,0.52,0.188,0.156
Russian,26.31,48.045,8.885,6.672,4.547,0.636,1.006 ,0.137,2.257,0.746,0.423,0.123,0.205
Albanian,19.734,16.541,22.602,12.227,24.39,2.957,0 .275,0.468,0.181,0.068,0.248,0.192,0.111
Latvian,26.637,58.04,6.593,3.486,0.75,0.626,0.736, 0.33,1.388,0.673,0.386,0.206,0.143
Belarusian,28.062,48.437,9.881,4.361,4.146,0.612,1 .576,0.401,1.142,0.603,0.483,0.251,0.036
Slovenian,30.64,33.38,15.452,7.036,9.799,1.159,0.6 63,0.335,0.466,0.484,0.326,0.156,0.096
Slovakian,31.249,37.837,12.506,6.228,7.285,1.154,1 .01,0.466,0.557,0.66,0.556,0.168,0.318
Greek,17.685,15.644,21.528,13.436,26.398,3.633,0.2 59,0.291,0.25,0.323,0.357,0.061,0.125
Croatian,26.584,31.742,16.303,7.852,13.065,1.641,0 .78,0.247,0.657,0.441,0.418,0.147,0.118
Scottish,52.826,22.921,12.332,5.87,2.144,0.872,1.1 94,0.086,0.418,0.701,0.207,0.257,0.165
Irish,52.833,22.767,12.325,6.616,1.857,0.578,1.062 ,0.175,0.254,0.87,0.5,0.049,0.106
Hungarian,30.533,34.834,13.216,5.147,11.623,0.895, 0.868,0.523,0.77,0.664,0.394,0.263,0.263
Bulgarian,21.495,22.652,19.231,12.314,19.137,2.267 ,0.658,0.172,0.73,0.432,0.702,0.074,0.134
Romanian,24.835,24.865,18.245,9.897,17.78,1.138,0. 601,0.719,0.698,0.576,0.455,0.042,0.145
Ukrainian,26.186,45.677,10.455,6.428,6.071,1.162,0 .637,0.157,1.206,1.03,0.562,0.176,0.24
Polish,30.081,44.265,10.871,6.084,4.654,0.72,0.764 ,0.174,0.637,0.614,0.445,0.347,0.338
Basque1,56.213,0.038,41.814,0.003,0.003,0.374,0.59 8,0.099,0.138,0.2,0.334,0.154,0.022
Basque2,50.699,7.098,36.482,0.064,2.717,1.296,0.34 2,0.335,0.183,0.269,0.392,0.089,0.027
Montenegro,24.732,24.324,18.21,10.075,18.257,2.868 ,0.188,0.008,0.597,0.512,0.211,0.001,0.005
Kosovo,22.381,18.054,20.8,12.687,22.075,2.468,0.38 4,0.341,0.195,0.235,0.345,0.021,0.01
Bosnian,24.556,32.642,15.516,8.866,13.825,1.705,0. 928,0.604,0.586,0.412,0.237,0.018,0.1
Macedonian,23.241,24.62,17.983,10.66,19.65,1.983,0 .444,0.343,0.197,0.331,0.44,0.031,0.07
Serbian,24.52,29.607,17.059,8.873,15.95,1.4,0.416, 0.444,0.591,0.406,0.458,0.11,0.049
Saami2,19.735,45.735,0.38,0.695,0,0.35,1.015,0.985 ,24.865,4.32,0.55,0.85,0.525
Russian_Mezen,24.455,51.755,4.22,3.535,1.45,0.605, 2.06,0.135,10.52,1.22,0,0.03,0.02
Karelian,28.62,54.72,0.36,3.98,0.00,1.26,1.23,0.00 ,7.06,1.81,0.00,0.25,0.72
Tavastian,36.72,47.40,3.54,0.04,0.00,1.23,1.72,0.1 2,7.05,1.12,0.82,0.00,0.24
Saami1,22.19,42.00,0.79,0.04,0.00,0.00,1.94,2.31,2 2.88,2.69,1.15,0.00,0.00
Portuguese,38.596,11.088,25.973,1.953,13.88,3.104, 0.542,0.246,0.285,0.543,0.221,1.838,1.677
Moldovian,22.697,32.415,15.202,11.17,12.62,1.372,1 .085,0.84,1.24,0.627,0.52,0.082,0.127
Ashkenazi,18.492,8.685,17.447,9.557,34.727,6.432,1 .227,0.85,0.93,0.22,0.175,0.477,0.772
Czech,33.55,38.305,10.465,7.535,6.725,0.965,1.17,0 ,0.05,0.695,0.085,0.435,0
Croatian2,27.819,33.985,14.75,7.85,11.196,1.635,0. 622,0.61,0.557,0.642,0.082,0.045,0.166