Are Swiss Germans closer to French or Ethnic Germans?

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10-23-2020, 08:04 PM
RyoHazuki

Are Swiss Germans closer to French or Ethnic Germans?

Going off G25 it appears like they're closer to the former

Distance to: Swiss_German
0.01071614 French_Nord
0.01132035 French_Alsace
0.01414778 Belgian
0.01542332 French_Paris
0.01822140 French_Occitanie
0.01883432 French_Auvergne
0.02063299 Swiss_French
0.02274717 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02441527 French_Seine-Maritime
0.02517337 French_Provence
0.02727261 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02785813 French_Brittany
0.02861443 German
0.02954604 Afrikaner
0.03066403 Austrian
0.03207833 Spanish_Penedes
0.03211734 Italian_Northeast
0.03319107 Welsh
0.03398334 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03403327 Spanish_Girona
0.03407547 English_Cornwall
0.03493597 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03505608 English
0.03535800 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03549885 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
10-23-2020, 08:19 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyoHazuki

Going off G25 it appears like they're closer to the former

Yes, but only because there aren't academic regional averages for Germany. And Davidski can't use Gedmatch kits in G25.

For example in my K36 PCA there are here.

https://i.imgur.com/oH7XN36.png
10-23-2020, 08:21 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Yes, but only because there aren't academic regional averages for Germany. And Davidski can't use Gedmatch kits in G25.

For example in my K36 PCA there are here.

[g]

Why he can´t? Legal reasons?
10-23-2020, 08:23 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Why he can´t? Legal reasons?

I think many people gladly will send him his raw files to be included. But he did it just few times as far as I know. Probably his Iraqi samples are private raw files for example.
10-23-2020, 08:33 PM
RyoHazuki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Yes, but only because there aren't academic regional averages for Germany. And Davidski can't use Gedmatch kits in G25.

For example in my K36 PCA there are here.

https://i.imgur.com/oH7XN36.png

Have you published the K36 PCA here before?
10-23-2020, 08:37 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyoHazuki

Have you published the K36 PCA here before?

Yes, but this is first time with new West/South German averages: Franken, Oberschwaben, Oberpfalz, Baiern (don't confuse with whole Bayern, it is only for Ober and Niederbayern, this "i" instead "y" has some historical meaning). Also I divided Nordrhein-Westfalen to Nordrhein and Westfalen-Lippe.
10-23-2020, 09:20 PM
XenophobicPrussian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Yes, but only because there aren't academic regional averages for Germany. And Davidski can't use Gedmatch kits in G25.

For example in my K36 PCA there are here.

https://i.imgur.com/oH7XN36.png

How many samples are those? I can't believe Franken is more northern shifted than Nordrhein and there's such a big difference between southern Bavaria and bordering areas of Austria.
10-23-2020, 10:09 PM
Peterski

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Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

How many samples are those? I can't believe Franken is more northern shifted than Nordrhein and there's such a big difference between southern Bavaria and bordering areas of Austria.

In Franken northern shift is north-eastern, at least partially.
10-23-2020, 10:36 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

How many samples are those? I can't believe Franken is more northern shifted than Nordrhein and

For sure not one for ref.

Franken is not fully north shifted but as Peterski said partially to East German refs too, specifically to Thuringen, but it is better visible in distances and nMonte oracle. Nordrhein shift is proper north.
https://i.imgur.com/neU2dwH.png

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there's such a big difference between southern Bavaria and bordering areas of Austria.

It is, what I can say. There is some unexplained west shift in Oberbayern... I mediated it by adding Niederbayern but still.
Oberpfalz is shifted east, Oberschwaben to Tirol.

Burgenland is different story there was heavy Bavarian settlement here. Probably Salzburg will be similar to Oberbayern because it was part of Bavaria till early XIX century but I can't find such kits yet:)
10-24-2020, 07:27 PM
Peterski

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Originally Posted by Lucas

Probably Salzburg will be similar to Oberbayern because it was part of Bavaria till early XIX century but I can't find such kits yet:)

I have some from Salzburg & Upper Austria very close to German border.