NW Croat vs Czech-Slovak members PCA

Kajkavian-speaking Croats plot very close to Czechs and Slovaks, just somewhat more south of them, which is really interesting considering how they don't border at all and there is Hungary, Austria and Slovenia between them.

https://i.imgur.com/nWIWjKe.png

Therefore together with Slovenes they should be seen as more of an extension of western Slavs in the south, than south Slavs proper.

Even their linguistic classification as 'South Slavs' is kind of dubious to be honest.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Even their linguistic classification as 'South Slavs' is kind of dubious to be honest.

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The fuck are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by Perunovsin

The fuck are you talking about?

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Slovene/Kajkavian are for the most part unintelligible. They're more like transitional dialects towards West Slavic.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Slovene/Kajkavian are for the most part unintelligible. They're more like transitional dialects towards West Slavic.

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Ok, are you excluding the islanders, too, then? Or some bosniaks and serbs with vast turkish word usage? What part of the brain exactly makes you write this?

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Slovene/Kajkavian are for the most part unintelligible. They're more like transitional dialects towards West Slavic.

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Can a Standard Croatian speaker get by in Slovenia and vice versa (a Slovene speaker in Croatia)?

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Originally Posted by Leto

Can a Standard Croatian speaker get by in Slovenia and vice versa (a Slovene speaker in Croatia)?

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No way

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Originally Posted by Leto

Can a Standard Croatian speaker get by in Slovenia and vice versa (a Slovene speaker in Croatia)?

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A standard Croatian speaker could get by in Ljubljana because there are a lot of immigrants from ex-Yu and tourists, so the locals are more familiar with Shtokavian (Serbo-Croatian). But the local Croats in a place like Zadar or Osijek wouldn't be able to understand spoken Slovene.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

A standard Croatian speaker could get by in Ljubljana because there are a lot of immigrants from ex-Yu and tourists, so the locals are more familiar with Shtokavian (Serbo-Croatian). But the local Croats in a place like Zadar or Osijek wouldn't be able to understand spoken Slovene.

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But those dialects along the border with Slovenia are more like Slovene? I mean it's a such a small territory, why would they be radically different from each other?

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Even their linguistic classification as 'South Slavs' is kind of dubious to be honest.

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Yes, but I was thinking they are maybe rather artificially West Slavic like than actual displaced west Slavs. You know why?
Slovenes and northern Croats are strongy R1a Z280, while western Slavs are strongly R1a M458.

So I'd rather say Slovenes and north Croats are mix of east Slavic tribes, but with some notable Celtic-German like element which made them similar to west Slavs plus their Balkanic influence is low.