Rank the Germanic admixture

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12-21-2021, 03:04 AM
J. Ketch

Rank the Germanic admixture

Inspired by the 'who are the least Slavic Slavs' thread, rank these traditional Germanic-speakers by their Germanic admixture from least to most, in your opinion. Or at least the top 5 least Germanic admixed. I chose groups that are clearly most mixed with non-Germanic people.

Alsatians
Austrians
East Germans
Eastern/Lowland Scottish (traditional Scots speakers)
English
Flemish
South Dutch
South Germans
Swiss Germans
Western Germans (Rhinelanders)

You can include other minor Germanic groups in the ranking if you want: Afrikaners, Amish, PA Dutch, Danube/Banat Swabians, Volga Germans, Baltic Germans etc, but many of them I know little about.
12-21-2021, 04:07 AM
Blondie

Hard to say.

1. Volga Germans (they looked very russian to me)
2. Zipser Germans
3. Danube Swabians
4. Transylvanian Saxons
5. East Germans
6. Austrians
7. Swiss Germans
8. English/South Germans
9. Alsatians, West Germans, South Dutch
10. Flemish

Quote:

Eastern/Lowland Scottish (traditional Scots speakers)

They are not even germanic.
12-21-2021, 04:13 AM
Ayetooey

From most to least.

West Germans.
South Dutch/Flemish.
South Germans.
Swiss.
East Germans from modern Germany.
English.
Austrians.
Scottish.
East Germans from east Prussia.

Some individual English groups like people from the north-west and deep north east England are probably similar to lowland scots in terms of Germanic admix.
12-21-2021, 04:17 AM
Borealis

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Originally Posted by Blondie

Hard to say.

1. Volga Germans (they looked very russian to me)
2. Zipser Germans
3. Danube Swabians
4. Transylvanian Saxons
5. East Germans
6. Austrians
7. Swiss Germans
8. English/South Germans
9. Alsatians, West Germans, South Dutch
10. Flemish

They are not even germanic.

How Volga germans look on avg
12-21-2021, 04:20 AM
J. Ketch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blondie

They are not even germanic.

The red and orange areas are where Scots, a Germanic dialect derived from Old English, has been the language since the Middle Ages. Red since the Early Middle Ages.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...and_Ulster.png
12-21-2021, 04:21 AM
Blondie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borealis

How Volga germans look on avg

1-2 years ago someone posted many volga german here, and they looked russian to me.
12-21-2021, 05:21 AM
J. Ketch

I made this model from K13 modern population averages yesterday, nowhere near conclusive but maybe a decent guide for the distances under 1.

Germanic = Norwegian
Gaulish = French
Slavic = Belarussian
Insular Celtic = Ulster Irish
Balkanic = Vlach
Baltic = Latvian
Finnic = Finnish
Roman = Italian

Code:

Target: Swiss_German Distance: 0.6263% / 0.62630357 | ADC: 0.25x RC 39.5 Gaulish 34.1 Germanic 25.7 Balkanic 0.7 Slavic Target: Austrian Distance: 1.5112% / 1.51123941 | ADC: 0.25x RC 30.7 Germanic 26.1 Slavic 21.7 Gaulish 21.5 Balkanic Target: English Distance: 0.6694% / 0.66943464 | ADC: 0.25x RC 40.9 Germanic 35.6 Insular_Celtic 20.9 Gaulish 2.6 Roman Target: English_Southeast Distance: 0.7220% / 0.72200387 | ADC: 0.25x RC 44.6 Germanic 30.2 Insular_Celtic 19.7 Gaulish 5.5 Roman Target: English_North Distance: 0.6889% / 0.68887677 | ADC: 0.25x RC 43.1 Germanic 36.8 Insular_Celtic 20.1 Gaulish Target: English_Southwest Distance: 0.5590% / 0.55900465 | ADC: 0.25x RC 38.4 Insular_Celtic 35.4 Germanic 26.2 Gaulish Target: English_Midlands Distance: 0.7630% / 0.76295251 | ADC: 0.25x RC 41.5 Germanic 34.0 Insular_Celtic 21.9 Gaulish 2.6 Roman Target: French_Alsace Distance: 0.4318% / 0.43181889 | ADC: 0.25x RC 38.0 Gaulish 36.6 Germanic 23.0 Balkanic 2.4 Slavic Target: Flemish Distance: 1.0315% / 1.03153520 | ADC: 0.25x RC 44.2 Germanic 33.9 Gaulish 11.4 Insular_Celtic 10.5 Balkanic Target: German_West Distance: 0.6209% / 0.62087689 | ADC: 0.25x RC 42.8 Germanic 22.7 Insular_Celtic 21.1 Balkanic 13.4 Gaulish Target: German_South Distance: 0.7247% / 0.72466656 | ADC: 0.25x RC 41.9 Germanic 35.8 Gaulish 21.4 Balkanic 0.9 Slavic Target: German_East Distance: 1.7735% / 1.77354054 | ADC: 0.25x RC 45.8 Slavic 29.3 Gaulish 20.3 Germanic 4.6 Balkanic Target: Dutch_South Distance: 0.8818% / 0.88183135 | ADC: 0.25x RC 54.3 Germanic 39.9 Gaulish 4.8 Balkanic 1.0 Slavic Target: Scottish_Northeast Distance: 0.4289% / 0.42885593 | ADC: 0.25x RC 54.3 Insular_Celtic 33.0 Germanic 12.7 Gaulish Target: Scottish_East Distance: 0.4770% / 0.47699409 | ADC: 0.25x RC 64.8 Insular_Celtic 24.8 Germanic 7.3 Gaulish 3.1 Roman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Target: Icelandic Distance: 0.7233% / 0.72334122 | ADC: 0.25x RC 71.5 Germanic 27.3 Insular_Celtic 1.2 Balkanic Target: Pennsylvania_Dutch Distance: 1.2828% / 1.28281729 | ADC: 0.25x RC 50.1 Gaulish 32.9 Germanic 17.0 Balkanic Target: Afrikaner Distance: 2.2704% / 2.27039093 | ADC: 0.25x RC 55.1 Germanic 32.4 Gaulish 10.0 Balkanic 2.5 SSA Target: Swedish Distance: 1.9828% / 1.98275353 | ADC: 0.25x RC 82.2 Germanic 7.1 Finnic 6.7 Slavic 4.0 Gaulish Target: Sweden_Götaland Distance: 1.0973% / 1.09727988 | ADC: 0.25x RC 94.7 Germanic 4.0 Finnic 1.3 Gaulish Target: Norway_South_Central Distance: 1.1253% / 1.12531456 | ADC: 0.25x RC 97.7 Germanic 2.3 Finnic Target: Denmark Distance: 0.8947% / 0.89474045 | ADC: 0.25x RC 95.2 Germanic 2.9 Gaulish 1.9 Slavic Target: German_Northwest Distance: 1.1089% / 1.10885914 | ADC: 0.25x RC 80.4 Germanic 12.5 Gaulish 4.9 Balkanic 2.2 Slavic Target: German Distance: 0.6296% / 0.62956218 | ADC: 0.25x RC 51.0 Germanic 25.3 Gaulish 12.6 Slavic 11.1 Balkanic Target: Dutch_North Distance: 1.4412% / 1.44124984 | ADC: 0.25x RC 81.7 Germanic 8.5 Insular_Celtic 7.1 Gaulish 2.7 Roman Target: Dutch_Central Distance: 1.5821% / 1.58210411 | ADC: 0.25x RC 72.9 Germanic 12.7 Gaulish 10.6 Insular_Celtic 3.8 Roman Target: Dutch Distance: 1.2357% / 1.23570379 | ADC: 0.25x RC 71.3 Germanic 15.5 Gaulish 8.9 Insular_Celtic 4.3 Roman Target: Sweden_Svealand_West Distance: 1.4748% / 1.47483390 | ADC: 0.25x RC 90.2 Germanic 9.8 Finnic Target: Sweden_Svealand_East Distance: 1.1592% / 1.15918307 | ADC: 0.25x RC 75.1 Germanic 18.9 Finnic 6.0 Baltic
12-21-2021, 06:35 AM
Jana

Volga Germans are western-southwestern Germans by origin, unmixed Volga Germans don't have any east European. Same applies to unmixed Transylvanian Saxons and Danube Swabians, these people are all SW/W German colonists in the east, they have nothing to do with eastern Germans let alone with eastern Europeans in vast majority of cases.
12-21-2021, 06:44 AM
Jana

All of these are very havily Celtic admixed groups, not sure who is least Germanic but some subgroups of eastern Germans are most Germanic by far out of these.

Those from Mecklenburg can be modeled as 70% early Germanic and 30% proto Slavic (see wife and family of user Rothaer), and they artificially cluster with Swedes on K13/G25. North-eastern Germans will have lot of Germanic, because their German settler part was low German and did not have much Celtic unlike high German speakers/south Dutch etc.

Least Germanic maybe south Tyroleans and Austrians from Carinthia, Styria, Burgenland.
12-21-2021, 07:11 AM
Albannach

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

The red and orange areas are where Scots, a Germanic dialect derived from Old English, has been the language since the Middle Ages. Red since the Early Middle Ages.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...and_Ulster.png

What century is your map from? it's not accurate for early medieval or even medieval as it doesn't even have any Gaelic in Galloway.

11th century Scotland
https://i.imgur.com/Dms8yBs.png

15th century Scotland
https://i.imgur.com/xq5dYXZ.png

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