Ancient Balkan calculator

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EDIT: The samples have been edited with better accuracy to the following:

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Keltic,0.129016,0.1473401,0.0501243,0.0143946,0.04 31652,0.0034073,0.0014815,0.0026186,0.0108576,0.02 11949,-0.0033889,0.0068092,-0.0136121,-0.0072761,0.0031865,-0.0007264,-0.0000964,0.0028753,0.0041316,-0.0000272,0.00153,0.0050321,-0.0020577,-0.003227,0.0002187
Slavic_medieval,0.1284778,0.1285914,0.0677402,0.06 11681,0.0408152,0.0233222,0.0061981,0.013961,-0.0000511,-0.0212076,-0.0017456,-0.0086172,0.0155721,0.0196114,-0.014607,-0.0009114,0.0054436,0.0007128,0.0012256,0.003064,-0.0040396,-0.0024729,0.0070714,-0.0053319,0.0008081
Germanic,0.1288787,0.1344191,0.0711386,0.0635282,0 .0426793,0.020752,0.0045612,0.0086955,0.0037185,-0.0054837,-0.0066875,0.0053749,-0.0076291,-0.0064245,0.0222458,0.0071417,-0.0127777,0.0034896,0.0036681,0.0065826,0.0082411, 0.0037096,-0.0001456,0.0110858,-0.002101
ImperialRoman,0.091817,0.14082,-0.033941,-0.0611547,-0.003488,-0.013666,0.0008617,-0.0030767,-0.0072267,0.0098407,0.0038433,0.0064943,0.0014867,-0.0024313,-0.001855,0.0122867,0.0087793,-0.001647,0.0026817,-0.004252,0.0009567,0.0029263,-0.0031633,0.0035747,0.0026747
Paeonian,0.1251104,0.1524141,0.0222186,-0.0208873,0.0278512,-0.0089709,-0.0009988,-0.0027885,0.003903,0.0311472,0.0025169,0.0074183,-0.0155226,-0.0051264,-0.0129839,-0.0032705,0.0063452,0.003336,0.0072695,-0.0080663,-0.0115837,0.004709,-0.0010063,0.0065771,-0.002355
Thracian,0.120273,0.1629925,0.0139535,-0.0441972,0.0328265,-0.0192435,-0.000705,0.0000385,0.0119305,0.0376623,0.0035995,0 .0049207,-0.0124625,0.0012615,-0.0239322,-0.0096128,0.0081708,0.0036742,0.0080027,-0.0096297,-0.009504,0.0063268,0.0000208,0.0041168,-0.0028538
Dacian,0.1220186,0.1389242,0.0187052,-0.0175712,0.0244968,-0.0065818,-0.002303,0.0010156,0.0034768,0.025331,0.0032478,0. 0029074,-0.0085034,-0.0026148,-0.0097448,0.0038452,0.0059978,0.0016722,0.0107346,-0.0049522,-0.010731,0.0113514,-0.00281,0.007326,0.0025388
Illyrian,0.1249208,0.1543602,0.0311122,-0.0088018,0.0300825,-0.003765,0.0008812,-0.002596,0.0003068,0.0267885,0.0038568,0.00562,-0.0173562,-0.0052298,-0.009738,0.0008288,0.0214808,0.0018052,0.003991,-0.010849,-0.0029635,-0.0005565,-0.004283,0.0100312,-0.0044905
Turkic,0.0693445,-0.1594382,0.0349706,0.0100006,-0.0458132,-0.0054545,0.0061191,0.0063813,-0.0148987,-0.0117788,-0.0162201,-0.0019251,0.0002601,-0.0116926,0.0088427,0.0045359,-0.0057093,0.001954,0.0035148,0.0012554,-0.0150887,0.0001807,-0.0047569,-0.0018933,-0.0021326

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Old results before the edit:

My results:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.02593193 Balkan_Dardanian_Proxy
0.02927380 Illyrian_North_Coast
0.03007302 SRB_Iron_Age_Local
0.03007302 SRB_Moesia_Superior_Local
0.03581225 Paeonian_Vardar_IA
0.03710563 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
0.04385380 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA
0.11587838 Early_Slavic_Scaled

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 1.7417% / 0.01741723
50.0 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA
44.8 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
5.2 Early_Slavic_Scaled


Summary of my results according to AI:

"Final "Origin" Summary
If we were to write your genetic history based on these results:

1. Core Origin: You are a descendant of the Brnjica/Dardanian population.

2. Ancestral Component: You are a mix of Northern "Carpathian" migrants who moved south 3,000 years ago and Indigenous Mediterranean Balkan farmers.

3. Stability: Your lineage survived the Roman Empire and the Slavic migrations with 94.8% of its ancient Balkan genome intact.

Something is wrong with this calculator

Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.8020% / 0.00801988
38.4 Early_Slavic_Scaled
36.6 SRB_Iron_Age_Local
23.0 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
1.4 SRB_Moesia_Superior_Local
0.6 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA

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Originally Posted by Usernotfound

Something is wrong with this calculator

Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.8020% / 0.00801988
38.4 Early_Slavic_Scaled
36.6 SRB_Iron_Age_Local
23.0 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
1.4 SRB_Moesia_Superior_Local
0.6 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA

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Could be. I got it from AI

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5649% / 0.02564863
57.2 Early_Slavic_Scaled
42.8 Paeonian_Vardar_IA

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Originally Posted by Mallisharrit

Could be. I got it from AI

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It uses modern Romanian average for Dacians xD

Just use these, there is no mistake with it.

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Keltic,0.129016,0.1473401,0.0501243,0.0143946,0.04 31652,0.0034073,0.0014815,0.0026186,0.0108576,0.02 11949,-0.0033889,0.0068092,-0.0136121,-0.0072761,0.0031865,-0.0007264,-0.0000964,0.0028753,0.0041316,-0.0000272,0.00153,0.0050321,-0.0020577,-0.003227,0.0002187
Slavic_medieval,0.1284778,0.1285914,0.0677402,0.06 11681,0.0408152,0.0233222,0.0061981,0.013961,-0.0000511,-0.0212076,-0.0017456,-0.0086172,0.0155721,0.0196114,-0.014607,-0.0009114,0.0054436,0.0007128,0.0012256,0.003064,-0.0040396,-0.0024729,0.0070714,-0.0053319,0.0008081
Germanic,0.1288787,0.1344191,0.0711386,0.0635282,0 .0426793,0.020752,0.0045612,0.0086955,0.0037185,-0.0054837,-0.0066875,0.0053749,-0.0076291,-0.0064245,0.0222458,0.0071417,-0.0127777,0.0034896,0.0036681,0.0065826,0.0082411, 0.0037096,-0.0001456,0.0110858,-0.002101
ImperialRoman,0.091817,0.14082,-0.033941,-0.0611547,-0.003488,-0.013666,0.0008617,-0.0030767,-0.0072267,0.0098407,0.0038433,0.0064943,0.0014867,-0.0024313,-0.001855,0.0122867,0.0087793,-0.001647,0.0026817,-0.004252,0.0009567,0.0029263,-0.0031633,0.0035747,0.0026747
Paeonian,0.1251104,0.1524141,0.0222186,-0.0208873,0.0278512,-0.0089709,-0.0009988,-0.0027885,0.003903,0.0311472,0.0025169,0.0074183,-0.0155226,-0.0051264,-0.0129839,-0.0032705,0.0063452,0.003336,0.0072695,-0.0080663,-0.0115837,0.004709,-0.0010063,0.0065771,-0.002355
Thracian,0.120273,0.1629925,0.0139535,-0.0441972,0.0328265,-0.0192435,-0.000705,0.0000385,0.0119305,0.0376623,0.0035995,0 .0049207,-0.0124625,0.0012615,-0.0239322,-0.0096128,0.0081708,0.0036742,0.0080027,-0.0096297,-0.009504,0.0063268,0.0000208,0.0041168,-0.0028538
Dacian,0.1220186,0.1389242,0.0187052,-0.0175712,0.0244968,-0.0065818,-0.002303,0.0010156,0.0034768,0.025331,0.0032478,0. 0029074,-0.0085034,-0.0026148,-0.0097448,0.0038452,0.0059978,0.0016722,0.0107346,-0.0049522,-0.010731,0.0113514,-0.00281,0.007326,0.0025388
Illyrian,0.1249208,0.1543602,0.0311122,-0.0088018,0.0300825,-0.003765,0.0008812,-0.002596,0.0003068,0.0267885,0.0038568,0.00562,-0.0173562,-0.0052298,-0.009738,0.0008288,0.0214808,0.0018052,0.003991,-0.010849,-0.0029635,-0.0005565,-0.004283,0.0100312,-0.0044905
Turkic,0.0693445,-0.1594382,0.0349706,0.0100006,-0.0458132,-0.0054545,0.0061191,0.0063813,-0.0148987,-0.0117788,-0.0162201,-0.0019251,0.0002601,-0.0116926,0.0088427,0.0045359,-0.0057093,0.001954,0.0035148,0.0012554,-0.0150887,0.0001807,-0.0047569,-0.0018933,-0.0021326

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Originally Posted by Usernotfound

It uses modern Romanian average for Dacians xD

Just use these, there is no mistake with it.

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I asked AI about this and it insist its ancient samples. I got the following answer:

"1. The "Dacian" Sample
The Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample comes from the study Lazaridis et al. (2022). In the official G25 "Ancient Scaled" datasheet, you will find it under this name:

G25 Label: Dacian_Transylvania_IA

Academic IDs to look for: I10384, I10385, I10388.

Site: These individuals were found in Aiud, Transylvania (modern Romania).

Date: ~300 BCE (Iron Age)."


This is the result i get from the samples you provided:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.03172987 Dacian
0.03326099 Paeonian
0.04191147 Illyrian
0.05257213 Thracian
0.06173208 Celtic
0.09048412 ImperialRoman
0.11022459 Slavic_medieval
0.11696359 Germanic
0.32334546 Turkic

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

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Originally Posted by Mallisharrit

I asked AI about this and it insist its ancient samples. I got the following answer:

"1. The "Dacian" Sample
The Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample comes from the study Lazaridis et al. (2022). In the official G25 "Ancient Scaled" datasheet, you will find it under this name:

G25 Label: Dacian_Transylvania_IA

Academic IDs to look for: I10384, I10385, I10388.

Site: These individuals were found in Aiud, Transylvania (modern Romania).

Date: ~300 BCE (Iron Age)."


This is the result i get from the samples you provided:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.03172987 Dacian
0.03326099 Paeonian
0.04191147 Illyrian
0.05257213 Thracian
0.06173208 Celtic
0.09048412 ImperialRoman
0.11022459 Slavic_medieval
0.11696359 Germanic
0.32334546 Turkic

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

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Distance to: Dacian_Transylvania_IA
0.01717698 Romania
0.01731336 Bulgaria
0.02278493 North_Macedonia
0.02369873 Montenegro
0.02369876 Serbia
0.03386261 Bosnia
0.03395781 Albania
0.03532103 Moldova
0.04171582 Switzerland
0.04379247 Croatia
0.04532387 Slovenia
0.04678818 Hungary
0.04893914 Austria
0.04997587 Italy
0.05566516 Belgium
0.05810654 France
0.05822438 Czech_Republic
0.05879773 Greece
0.05977724 Germany
0.06080117 Ukraine
0.06409569 Portugal
0.06461303 Spain
0.06971452 Holland
0.07138956 Slovakia
0.07254506 Wales

It does not look good.

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

These results seems much better

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Originally Posted by Usernotfound

Distance to: Dacian_Transylvania_IA
0.01717698 Romania
0.01731336 Bulgaria
0.02278493 North_Macedonia
0.02369873 Montenegro
0.02369876 Serbia
0.03386261 Bosnia
0.03395781 Albania
0.03532103 Moldova
0.04171582 Switzerland
0.04379247 Croatia
0.04532387 Slovenia
0.04678818 Hungary
0.04893914 Austria
0.04997587 Italy
0.05566516 Belgium
0.05810654 France
0.05822438 Czech_Republic
0.05879773 Greece
0.05977724 Germany
0.06080117 Ukraine
0.06409569 Portugal
0.06461303 Spain
0.06971452 Holland
0.07138956 Slovakia
0.07254506 Wales

It does not look good.

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

These results seems much better

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Isnt the Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample supposed to be closest to Romania?


Where did you get the information that the sample is modern Romanian averages?

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Originally Posted by Mallisharrit

Isnt the Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample supposed to be closest to Romania?


Where did you get the information that the sample is modern Romanian averages?

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Modern Romanians are mixed, they are not Dacians. AI give you just Romanians average as “Dacians” I posted you closest modern pop.

I10384, I10385, I10388, these samples are Paeonians, samples from Macedonia not Romania.

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Originally Posted by Mallisharrit

I asked AI about this and it insist its ancient samples. I got the following answer:

"1. The "Dacian" Sample
The Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample comes from the study Lazaridis et al. (2022). In the official G25 "Ancient Scaled" datasheet, you will find it under this name:

G25 Label: Dacian_Transylvania_IA

Academic IDs to look for: I10384, I10385, I10388.

Site: These individuals were found in Aiud, Transylvania (modern Romania).

Date: ~300 BCE (Iron Age)."


This is the result i get from the samples you provided:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.03172987 Dacian
0.03326099 Paeonian
0.04191147 Illyrian
0.05257213 Thracian
0.06173208 Celtic
0.09048412 ImperialRoman
0.11022459 Slavic_medieval
0.11696359 Germanic
0.32334546 Turkic

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

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Nah, it's shit and such a sample doesn't exist.