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Most of the R1b looks to be under R1b-Z2103 and the P-M45 is misread Q and it funnily seems to be virtually all under Q1a-L330.
I even share a subclade under J2 with these guys, and only these guys (one individual though). TRMCA 5500 YBP.
43% J-M304 - 37% K-M9 - 17% E-M35 - 3% Other (G, L, A etc)
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Most "Oriental" Jewish group are looking very European right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radegast
Okay, and? Who cares who is European and who is not?
R1b-Z2103 is not really European. My Y-Haplo is R1b-Z2103 and and 0% European DNA, about 30% of Assyrians carry R1b-Z2103.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isinimo
Lol... You, you care otherwise you wouldn't really be a Zionist. The whole thing is about connecting Jews to the Levant or what you call "Eretz Yisrael" it is in the East Mediterranean, not Europe. So if this isn't what you care about then what makes you a Zionist in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Florstadt
It was first carried by Steppe Herders, who lived in Russia and one of the first Indo-European speakers so it doesn't make sense to rule it out as not European, though it originally was. Plus it's sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinshen
Rest assured that J2 is likely a Sabaean convert.
It’s fascinating to watch the mental gymnastics in this thread. On one hand, you acknowledge that R1b-Z2103 is a quintessential West Asian/Middle Eastern marker (found in high frequencies among Assyrians, Armenians, and Kurds), yet in the same breath, you try to "disconnect" it from the Levant just to score points against Jews.
This obsession with "European-ness" or trying to quantify who "looks" European is a phenomenon that exists almost exclusively in these internet echo chambers. In the real world, phenotype is a spectrum, and identity isn't determined by a magnifying glass or a 5,000-year-old mutation from the Steppe.