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F statistics are inferior to Eigenstrat-based tools like IllustrativeDNA's Deep Ancestry and Davidski's G25
https://i.postimg.cc/yBnNLhQV/0509.jpg
this isn't proof of F statistics being inferior. Polish.DG is comprised of a single sample and probably has low heterozigosity. critical thinking skills are importantQuote:
Originally Posted by Orion Arm
Before WW2 Poles were about 17% of the population of Volhynian Voivodeship:
https://i.postimg.cc/x8Rk1FJd/Poles-Volhynia.png
And I managed to gather 14 GEDmatch kits of Poles who are 100% from Volhynia.
I simulated their G25 coordinates from their Eurogenes K36 results using this tool:
https://www.allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html
Average:
Individuals:Code:Polish_Volhynia_N14,0.138205,0.129926,0.076862,0.064425,0.043681,0.025381,0.009367,0.012126,0.000428,-0.019092,-0.004365,-0.007485,0.013778,0.027473,-0.009063,-0.000436,0.002624,-0.000613,0.005771,0.001861,0.000459,-0.008380,0.004210,-0.000005,0.002911
Code:A_Zygadlo,0.138958,0.131945,0.078801,0.066714,0.046542,0.026734,0.008673,0.011870,0.002407,-0.017874,-0.005489,-0.007540,0.012071,0.028160,-0.003904,0.000649,0.000048,-0.000239,0.005728,0.003309,0.002477,-0.009591,0.003318,0.002142,0.003495
S_Wisniewska,0.139373,0.130092,0.079895,0.069344,0.044989,0.027903,0.008853,0.012018,0.000364,-0.020913,-0.005442,-0.008301,0.012711,0.025677,-0.006136,0.000655,0.001648,0.001580,0.006759,0.003181,0.000744,-0.007050,0.004750,0.004138,0.002699
W_Kuriata,0.138941,0.125292,0.081203,0.068978,0.041247,0.026185,0.010246,0.014242,-0.000169,-0.024111,-0.001607,-0.009230,0.017530,0.025893,-0.010318,-0.002883,0.000641,-0.002210,0.002425,0.000249,-0.002086,-0.005407,0.003965,-0.002192,0.001992
B_Wisniewski,0.138051,0.131889,0.075950,0.061898,0.045859,0.024957,0.009462,0.011714,0.000208,-0.019322,-0.005078,-0.008934,0.017077,0.038308,-0.017359,-0.001670,0.006849,-0.000748,0.008801,0.001854,0.000631,-0.013473,0.006052,-0.002206,0.004791
G_Onochowski,0.138910,0.128815,0.079856,0.063558,0.044562,0.024216,0.008358,0.012407,0.003156,-0.015545,-0.003582,-0.006951,0.011802,0.020986,-0.009420,0.000637,0.004295,0.000272,0.005141,0.002403,0.001379,-0.006734,0.004278,-0.000064,0.002487
M_Bielak,0.136643,0.131640,0.072490,0.056611,0.043119,0.022358,0.009714,0.012007,0.000980,-0.014399,-0.004383,-0.006682,0.010429,0.027139,-0.009577,-0.001388,0.004372,-0.000801,0.005662,0.002927,0.000346,-0.008852,0.003027,-0.002010,0.001622
J_Bielak,0.137559,0.127708,0.076698,0.067608,0.042844,0.026547,0.010141,0.012557,-0.000060,-0.022396,-0.004274,-0.009467,0.018219,0.032924,-0.011375,-0.000258,0.002998,-0.000923,0.005894,0.001082,0.000790,-0.010993,0.005063,-0.003164,0.003692
R_Kuriata,0.138302,0.131507,0.071503,0.060175,0.041851,0.024766,0.009080,0.010364,-0.001846,-0.018028,-0.005448,-0.005967,0.011432,0.027404,-0.007810,-0.000496,0.002235,0.000142,0.008020,0.002530,0.000523,-0.007983,0.004515,0.002184,0.003169
A_Domagala,0.138354,0.131584,0.075037,0.059744,0.043592,0.023424,0.010013,0.012327,0.000666,-0.016041,-0.004434,-0.006004,0.011531,0.024054,-0.008471,-0.001379,0.002437,-0.000594,0.005687,0.001170,-0.002087,-0.005863,0.003407,0.000911,0.000669
M_Mucharowska,0.137924,0.128328,0.079649,0.069172,0.042403,0.027359,0.009446,0.012045,-0.001211,-0.022261,-0.003954,-0.006981,0.013315,0.023573,-0.005041,0.000718,0.000787,-0.000804,0.004445,0.002709,0.001769,-0.006967,0.003970,0.002724,0.002887
S_Baginski,0.137046,0.127099,0.074613,0.064584,0.040855,0.025287,0.010166,0.012859,-0.000174,-0.020127,-0.003715,-0.007776,0.015088,0.026620,-0.009586,0.000975,0.003421,-0.001307,0.004597,0.000324,-0.000154,-0.008784,0.003277,-0.002473,0.002065
Z_Chodorowski,0.138589,0.132629,0.075022,0.063047,0.044155,0.025916,0.009155,0.011246,-0.001408,-0.019393,-0.005422,-0.006430,0.013249,0.030196,-0.010414,-0.000004,0.004117,-0.000658,0.006853,0.001474,0.000566,-0.009883,0.004255,0.000969,0.003004
M_Zygadlo,0.137848,0.131425,0.075800,0.062277,0.044718,0.023507,0.009000,0.011255,0.000778,-0.017473,-0.004411,-0.006732,0.013852,0.027126,-0.010413,-0.000674,0.003039,-0.000860,0.006583,0.001565,0.000565,-0.007740,0.005168,-0.000204,0.003646
K_Zygadlo,0.137875,0.128683,0.079532,0.068236,0.044743,0.026244,0.008716,0.012917,0.002238,-0.019461,-0.003866,-0.007904,0.014464,0.026574,-0.006983,-0.001013,-0.000157,-0.001300,0.004235,0.001311,0.000997,-0.007965,0.003868,-0.000776,0.004513
Target: AndreiKharchenko_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
Distance: 2.9105% / 0.02910481
56.0 Polish_Volhynia_N14
35.6 Vepsian
8.4 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
Distance to: AndreiKharchenko_scaled
0.04522123 Vepsian
0.04944637 Polish_Volhynia_N14
0.18059864 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
if the Volhynians are the most Slavic of all Slavs, then Poles should stop wanting to play in a Slavic team (the Volhynian massacre)
What "Slavic team" do you mean? Both groups are Slavic, the history between them doesn't change anything about "slavicness"Quote:
Originally Posted by Radegast
I wouldn’t be surprised, since at the moment the Lusatian culture from Volhynia seems to be the central point of Slavic ethnogenesis (apart from the probably separate southwestern Czech-Moravian branch). However, it should be taken into account that, for now, these are the only Lusatian samples with cross-validated IBD data.
Quote:
The distribution of the most frequently occurring IBD segments in the studied Slavic populations and neighboring populations.
3000–2500 YBP, i.e. the key cremation period.
https://i.ibb.co/bRrbPJ5G/Zrzut-ekra...2026-20358.jpg
IMHO the only link connecting all Slavic populations (except for the Pickle group (Czech SP?)) is UKR167.SG, i.e. the Lusatian population from Volhynia (we do not have other Lusatian IBD data). I assume that after this period, the proto-Slavic population had already undergone diversification.
G25 of all highly correlated samples.
Ukraine_Volyn_Lusatian_EIA:UKR167__BC_850__Cov_83. 76%,0.130897,0.118817,0.080327,0.105622,0.040315,0 .045738,0.005875,0.015922,-0.005113,-0.039545,-0.009581,-0.014987,0.013677,0.010322,0.0057,0.018563,0.01408 1,0.002787,0.002891,0.011631,0.006239,-0.000989,0.008134,-0.011568,-0.003712
-666NAkbari2026:I24683.AG,0.132035,0.122879,0.09277 2,0.104976,0.050163,0.039045,0.015276,0.02123,0.00 0614,-0.040456,-0.004872,-0.013488,0.023934,0.034406,-0.008686,-0.010475,-0.017993,-0.002787,0.009804,-0.004377,-0.003244,-0.00272,0.00419,-0.00976,-0.000239
Latvia_BA.AG:Kivutkalns207.AG__BC_650__Cov_80.52%, 0.129758,0.123895,0.108988,0.115958,0.05201,0.0479 69,0.015746,0.020999,-0.0045,-0.057222,0.000812,-0.028325,0.038652,0.049957,-0.014386,-0.005834,-0.003781,-0.004434,-0.003017,0.004127,-0.002371,-0.007419,0.014543,-0.026028,-0.000958
-600CAkbari2026:I35048.TW,0.132035,0.125926,0.06486 5,0.057817,0.0437,0.018128,0.00846,0.00923,0.00531 8,-0.001276,-0.009094,0.002698,-0.008028,0.003716,0.014658,-0.011933,-0.025295,0.004687,0.002263,-0.003126,0.00262,0.011623,-0.003944,0.012291,-0.007305
Latvia_BA.AG:Kivutkalns215.AG__BC_609__Cov_74.55%, 0.133173,0.133034,0.100691,0.10756,0.047086,0.0365 35,0.017626,0.015461,-0.000205,-0.055035,-0.006983,-0.016335,0.029881,0.034268,-0.017236,-0.007292,-0.012778,0.004434,-0.001885,0.009129,0.002995,-0.004451,0.001602,-0.018557,0.005149
Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA:UKR116 __BC_645__Cov_46.54%,0.132035,0.122879,0.076555,0. 080104,0.032929,0.034025,0.011751,0.010615,-0.009613,-0.023508,0.001137,-0.008393,0.013528,0.022708,-0.001493,-0.002254,-0.006258,-0.00114,0.001257,-0.00075,0.006988,0.00272,0.011462,-0.015303,0.001557
-931NAkbari2026:I19058.AG,0.135449,0.132019,0.09918 3,0.102391,0.045547,0.034582,0.020681,0.013846,-0.000818,-0.044283,-0.00747,-0.018134,0.032408,0.031516,-0.016558,0.014717,0.0236,-0.00152,-0.001257,0.011005,0.003244,-0.002597,0.008627,-0.006507,-0.002036
Estonia_IA.SG:s19_0LS10_1.SG__BC_659__Cov_27.86%,0 .12862,0.089367,0.097297,0.102391,0.03416,0.032909 ,0.006345,0.019615,-0.010431,-0.042097,0.013641,-0.021131,0.030029,0.003578,-0.006379,0.00769,0.026077,-0.00076,-0.000503,0.006253,-0.000624,0.002102,-0.001356,-0.016026,0.005868
Ukraine_Volyn_Lusatian_EIA:UKR168__BC_850__Cov_57. 47%,0.12862,0.116786,0.07731,0.084626,0.037545,0.0 33746,0.00752,0.02123,-0.005727,-0.02442,-0.002436,-0.006594,0.017096,0.005092,-0.002714,0.015115,0.008605,-0.001647,0.010182,0.004752,0.000499,-0.001855,-0.001725,-0.011206,-0.005868
Estonia_BA.SG:s19_0LS11_1.SG__BC_968__Cov_19.72%,0 .141141,0.122879,0.102954,0.100453,0.065858,0.0398 81,0.018331,0.01523,-0.003272,-0.052848,0.002111,-0.020831,0.045936,0.039498,-0.024565,0.019491,0.026468,-0.008488,0.002514,0.029764,-0.006738,-0.006554,0.015529,-0.020364,0.008263
Latvia_BA.AG:Kivutkalns209.AG__BC_666__Cov_70.90%, 0.125205,0.121864,0.089378,0.122741,0.045239,0.044 065,0.013631,0.031153,-0.001227,-0.050844,-0.009906,-0.023679,0.036868,0.047342,-0.016286,0.000928,0.012256,-0.010515,-0.002514,0.009755,-0.002496,-0.01422,0.013434,-0.019521,0.000958
Estonia_BA.SG:s19_X14_1.SG__BC_630__Cov_28.45%,0.1 14961,0.119832,0.1022,0.10756,0.052933,0.037371,0. 024676,0.014538,-0.004704,-0.047017,-0.001299,-0.015736,0.028989,0.041562,-0.008822,0.011138,0.00352,0.008488,0.001634,0.0088 79,-0.010107,-0.004328,0.009983,-0.011929,0.003233
Estonia_BA.SG:s19_X08_1.SG__BC_869__Cov_25.97%,0.1 34311,0.11577,0.093149,0.109175,0.047086,0.047133, 0.014806,0.011769,-0.001636,-0.047381,0.000162,-0.016036,0.037017,0.036883,-0.014794,0.005038,0.005346,-0.003547,0.000754,0.005253,0.001996,0.009892,0.008 504,-0.020364,-0.001916
Estonia_IA.SG:s19_V10_2.SG__BC_623__Cov_33.27%,0.1 27482,0.1046,0.101823,0.087856,0.044624,0.021753,0 .00517,0.016615,0.015748,-0.034989,0.00682,-0.007943,0.032259,0.012248,-0.009636,0.015513,0.017471,0.00228,0.004777,0.0192 59,0.009982,-0.00507,-0.002218,-0.010483,-0.002395
Estonia_BA.SG:s19_X17_2.SG__BC_869__Cov_32.53%,0.1 27482,0.127957,0.103708,0.10756,0.050471,0.042112, 0.017626,0.032076,-0.009204,-0.052302,-0.003085,-0.017235,0.032705,0.045966,-0.024022,-0.0118,-0.001956,0.007728,-0.004148,0.000625,0.006613,-0.008285,0.008504,-0.025907,0.007664
-600CAkbari2026:I35301.TW,0.132035,0.147252,0.05506 ,0.016796,0.040931,-0.002789,0.000235,0.002077,0.018816,0.025331,-0.005196,0.005395,-0.020069,-0.011698,0.00475,0.003447,0.001304,0.005068,0.0059 08,-0.003001,-0.002995,0.003833,-0.00493,-0.004338,-0.0097
Montenegro_IA.AG:I13170.AG__BC_600__Cov_76.47%,0.1 22929,0.129988,0.058077,0.04199,0.029544,0.014502, 0.007285,0.012923,0.001227,-0.010934,0.008282,-0.009591,0.00669,0.013212,-0.010722,0.00716,0.000782,-0.003167,-0.002388,-0.004502,-0.008735,-0.001731,0.001356,-0.005302,-0.002395
Latvia_BA.AG:Kivutkalns25.AG__BC_687__Cov_59.79%,0 .135449,0.125926,0.094657,0.108206,0.052625,0.0373 71,0.014101,0.023307,-0.005522,-0.047564,0.002598,-0.015736,0.028692,0.041287,-0.021851,0.006762,0.017341,-0.00114,-0.005405,-0.001126,-0.000624,-0.00643,0.008751,-0.018677,0.002634
Estonia_BA.SG:s19_X11_1.SG__BC_956__Cov_20.96%,0.1 24067,0.128972,0.093526,0.116281,0.051702,0.04518, 0.014571,0.03023,-0.001023,-0.046652,0.004709,-0.020232,0.034489,0.042525,-0.021308,0.00358,0.008475,-0.001267,0.005405,0.003627,-0.004492,-0.008037,0.008874,-0.006145,-0.005508
England_LBA_lowEEF.AG:I13711.AG__BC_978__Cov_73.52 %,0.130897,0.125926,0.065996,0.062339,0.037238,0.0 17849,-0.002585,-0.001154,0.010635,0.000911,-0.000812,0.01094,-0.017839,-0.022983,0.024022,0.009679,-0.002868,-0.00152,-0.001508,0.007128,0.009733,0.003833,0.003944,0.006 627,-0.001796
-750SWAkbari2026:I37504.TW,0.134311,0.161469,0.0426 15,-0.029393,0.057241,-0.011156,0.002585,0.003461,0.035996,0.068703,-0.004384,0.013188,-0.022299,-0.008533,-0.012486,-0.012198,0.001825,-0.005448,-0.001508,-0.007253,-0.00262,-0.006554,-0.015899,-0.013375,0.005508
Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 4__BC_650__Cov_36.39%,0.125205,0.126941,0.062602,0 .064923,0.037238,0.018686,0.00987,0.012461,-0.005318,-0.022415,0.002598,-0.008692,0.016799,0.006055,0.006243,0,0.00339,0.00 9375,-0.002137,0.017383,-0.016346,-0.003957,0.007272,-0.007471,-0.006706
Croatia_LBA_EIA.AG:I26742.AG__BC_700__Cov_81.46%,0 .126344,0.150298,0.022627,-0.009044,0.03416,-0.005857,-0.000705,0.000462,0.014112,0.027518,0.002923,0.008 542,-0.019177,-0.011973,-0.008143,0.002121,0.004955,0.000507,0.008422,-0.009755,-0.002246,0.004081,0.003697,0.006868,-0.004311
Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug.AG:I12106.AG__BC_664__Cov_56. 93%,0.129758,0.137096,0.075801,0.062662,0.042469,0 .023706,0.009165,0.009,0.007567,-0.018953,0.001299,-0.00045,0.003865,0.005643,0.00095,0.00305,-0.008605,-0.002027,0.006411,0.003377,0.002496,-0.003586,-0.000246,-0.001687,0.005149
NorthMacedonia_IA.AG:I10379.AG__BC_641__Cov_67.04% ,0.130897,0.151314,0.024513,-0.02584,0.02739,-0.014223,0.00987,-0.002538,0.00409,0.033531,-0.000487,0.010491,-0.009812,-0.004817,-0.018594,0.005967,0.027772,-0.002407,0.005405,0.000625,-0.017968,0.00136,-0.00493,0.007712,-0.002275
-600SWAkbari2026:I29160.TW,0.135449,0.145221,0.0463 86,0.023579,0.043085,0.009482,0.003525,-0.005077,0.008999,0.019499,0.000487,-0.001798,-0.018731,-0.006468,-0.001221,0.003315,0.009648,0.003294,0.001885,0.001 ,0.001872,0.003339,-0.006162,-0.005302,-0.003592
-550SWAkbari2026:S45177_Scrum.30_SQ.TW,0.127482,0.1 53345,0.035826,-0.017442,0.055087,-0.008646,0.00094,-0.001615,0.026179,0.047381,-0.00406,0.012589,-0.025272,-0.007982,-0.0038,0.00053,0.003129,0,0.00729,-0.009254,-0.003369,0.013849,-0.003944,-0.00723,-0.000599
-850EAkbari2026:I30033.TW,0.134311,0.122879,0.07542 4,0.063308,0.041238,0.022311,0.00705,0.011076,0.00 3681,-0.020046,-0.002111,-0.005245,0.012339,0.023396,-0.008686,-0.012331,-0.014473,0.002154,0.002137,0.002376,-0.011355,-0.005688,0.003204,0.002892,0.001197
Unfortunately for the author, autosomal statistical models of Slavic origins relying on Lithuanian Iron Age proxies are no longer sustainable when the IBD evidence is taken into account. The divergence between Balts and Slavs occurred after the Trzciniec cultural horizon and significantly later than the Únětice period. Naturally, this does not preclude subsequent interaction and admixture between the two populations.
I feel so good now by being the closesr distance to both the average AND almost all individual Volhynian samples
https://i.ibb.co/Nd4F9f8G/IMG-6591.jpg