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According to Family Tree DNA, I have mtDNA haplogroup W:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_W_mtDNA.shtml
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-W-map.png
Any other Apricitians with mtDNA haplogroup W out there ???
I must see where can this haplogroup be found in ancient DNA.
Post your matches map. Plus, ony mtdna "full sequence", not HVR1 or 2, will tell you your specific subclade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
So far, I only ordered the cheaper test "mtDNA Plus".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
I will need to upgrade it to "mt Full Sequence" later.
My full sequence showed my specific subclade and very few close matchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
http://i66.tinypic.com/iq8sk1.jpg
Most of my matches are W6a. But this is based on HVR1 + HVR2, so as you say it can be misleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Do you think eupedia map is reliable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
This haplo looks Finchurian:) But there are some dark patches in north Caucasus. Which could be older?
I think it will be the best to check where can this haplogroup be found in ancient DNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by physical-anthro
And this blog is also good when it comes to mtDNA: http://mtdnaatlas.blogspot.com
Probably North Caucasus. Because this is not a Paleolithic-Mesolithic European haplo.Quote:
Which could be older?
Here are mtDNA haplos that were common in Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Europe:
U5b (could be found in areas from Iberia to Lithuania/Latvia/Estonia)
U8 (including U8a and U8c)
U6 (originated in Europe and later migrated to North Africa)
U2 (including U2e and U2d2)
U5a1 (could be found in areas from Russia to Sweden and Germany)
U5a2 (a more western branch of U5a)
U4 (from Russia and Lithuania to Sweden and Germany)
C1g (one sample in Mesolithic Karelia)
K1c (two samples in Mesolithic Greece)
Generally mtDNA haplogroup U was a typical haplo of native European hunter-gatherers.
Most of other mtDNA haplogroups came during Neolithic times and during the Metal Ages.
Cool result. I didnt even know their was a W haplogroup
Have you tried this?
https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/
West Asian mtDNA. What is your subclade?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...plogroup_W.png
you might find this useful. I just saw this
http://www.thecid.com/
Wanda co nie chciała Niemca?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
What makes it "West Asian"?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nerd
It is likely either Neolithic EEF or Steppe PIE, depending on subclade.
Check these mtDNA resources:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=751575292
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4020434
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...xptgZ8HSA/edit
http://mtdnaatlas.blogspot.com
http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/ancientdna.shtml
I don't know yet. Maybe W6a because most of my matches are W6a:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nerd
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4142896
Haplogroup W is believed to have originated around 23,900 years ago in Western Asia. It is descended from the haplogroup N2.
Soares, Pedro; Luca Ermini; Noel Thomson; Maru Mormina; Teresa Rito; Arne Röhl; Antonio Salas; Stephen Oppenheimer; Vincent Macaulay; Martin B. Richards (4 Jun 2009). "Supplemental Data Correcting for Purifying Selection: An Improved Human Mitochondrial Molecular Clock". The American Journal of Human Genetics. 84 (6): 82–93.
Check its Wikipedia page.
Around 24,000 years ago... I'm interested in more recent times. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nerd
Thanks! LOL, so my great-great-great... grandma was Wilma: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin
http://t15.deviantart.net/bCerrUbtXH...ts-d5zgg2z.jpg
Not yet, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ylla
Mspf has the same rare mtdna, maybe both from Vandals.
They were definetly in what is now Poland, at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
It seems good. Have you seen that?
(From Eupedia)
A study conducted by Maruszak et al. (2014) analysed the mtDNA of 395 elite Polish athletes (213 endurance athletes and 182 power athletes) and 413 sedentary controls and found that haplogroup W is among the most overrepresented mtDNA types among power athletes at the Olympic/World Class level. Haplogroup W5a in particular carries the 16362C mutation, one of the two polymorphisms associated in this study with achieving the elite performance level. Another study by Murakami et al. (2002) associated the same 16362C polymorphism and 16223T (found in all members of haplogroup W) with higher training responsiveness. Three other polymorphisms were associated with increased VO2max, including 199C, which defines the W3a1c, W3a1d and W3b clades.
Yes, I noticed. :D I guess there is a good chance that Mariusz Pudzianowski is also W:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danaan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariusz_Pudzianowski
BTW, here is the list (maybe incomplete) of ancient DNA samples of mtDNA haplo W:
1) Neolithic Europe & Western Anatolia (= 11 samples):
W1c'i: ~6500-6200 BC, I1097, Neolithic Turkey
W: ~5500 BC, Starčevo Culture, Hungary=2
W6: ~5500-4500 BC, Va7, Neolithic Romania
W1c'i: ~5000 BC, LBK Culture, Germany=2
W: ~5000 BC, LBK Culuture, Germany=1
W1c-i: ~4000 BC, Schöningen Culture, Germany=2
W: ~3800 BC, QLB 3, Baalberge Culture, Germany
W1c'i: ~3000 BC, BENZ18, Bernburg Culture, Germany
2) Copper Age and Bronze Age Steppe (= 4 samples):
W: ~3500-3000 BC, MAJ9, Ukraine (Steppe)
W6: ~3500-3000 BC, Yamnaya Culture=2
W3a1a: SVP57, Yamnaya Culture
3) Copper Age and Bronze Age Europe (= 7 samples):
W6a: ESP16, 2600 BC, Corded Ware Germany
W1c1: BZH 15, 2500-2050 BC, Bell Beaker Germany
W: EUL 22, 2198-2162 BC, Bell Beaker Germany
W3a1: ESP4, 2118-1961 BC, Unetice Culture Germany
W: ~2000 BC, Unetice Culture Germany=2
W: ~2000 BC, 6H, Minoan Civilization Greece
Good point:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
There is a database http://www.mitosearch.org/
You can upload your results here I suppose.
I'm U2e like the Udmurts, it's a rare haplogroup actually, most common among Udmurts and Mordvins of Russia
To the bottom.
Can you establish some useful information by studying your mtDNA at the first place?
The problem is, it isn't changing so fast as Y-dna.
All people, who live in one specific area, they all can have similar mtDNA.
Secondly, people of completely different ethnicities can have the same mtDNA.
Hence this results you got, they won't tell your ethnicity, neither your origin.
So, finally, what exact information can you know, by studying your mtDNA?
I think mtdna and Y dna probably both matter to some extentQuote:
Originally Posted by knowledge is king
I've heard they both can influence brain function.
It doesn't say much about your ethnic origins but perhaps in mind I am closer to an Udmurt because of it. Who knows. My Y-dna is Irish and my mtDNA is mostly found in Uralic-speaking groups of Russia (Udmurts, Mordvins, etc.)
Did you do BigY Already?
As long as I studied this topic till this moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strasser-ue
I can say, you should make a full sequence of mtDNA to know your specific haplogroup for sure.
The results in 23andMe and mtPlus are inaccurate.
Secondly, mtDNA can be homogeneously distributed over vast area. It won't tell you anything specific basically.
You can't tell, that certain people of specific ethnicity have your mtDNA, because they are widely distributed among people.
If anyone wants to research more scholarly journals/articles for their mtdna and ydna haplogroups; you can use google scholar to cross reference a good portion of articles from genealogical researchers/geneticists here... :p
https://scholar.google.com/
I am trying to order Big-Y currently, but my previous Y-32 test isn't ready and thus I have not access to it at this moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
I read, that I can ask my group administrator in order to do it or otherwise I can write to FTDNA support to make this order.
I have a coupon of 100$ discount for it also. But I am not sure if I can afford it at full price of 575$.
I wrote in both direction actually, but they don't answer me in several days.
Can you suggest what should I do in this situation?
How can I order and pay Big-Y when my previous test isn't ready yet?
Basically, I was recommended not to waste my money on any other test and to buy Big-Y straight away. Later I should upload my .bam file to yFull for more appropriate interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
I can order a full sequence of Y later for deep scientific studies here, for instance. https://www.fullgenomes.com/
But Big-Y himself can grant some basic results. It will give me 400 markers in comparison to 100 in Y-111. But this will be not the same markers. This is why I should make a third party test like YSEQ later or to make a full sequence to be specific.
Basically, I read, that Big-Y is the last test, that I need in studies of my Y-chromosome.
Mtdna W:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...6230241.x/epdfQuote:
Figure 9 shows clusters I, W and X, charac-terised by the ancestral state at position 16223(which was probably the major ‘out-of-Africa’sequence: Calafell et al. 1996; Watson et al. 1997).Together, these clusters comprise only 5% of the total data set. Cluster I may be fairly ancient:C 35000 years old in Europe (cf. 26000–34 000years: Torroni et al. 1994), although this age strongly depends on the time of appearance ofthe mutation at 16311 on the 16129–16223 background. Cluster I is now very rare, occurring at only C 2% in the present data set, and seemingly distributed mainly in the north and west of Europe. Cluster W has a more recent age of 18500 years (although W may, as with T,break down into several founder clusters of more recent age) and appears more diverse in southern than northern Europe, but this may again simply reflect its rarity – only 1% of the present data. The 16189–16223–16278 signature charac-teristic of most of cluster X seems to have been at the centre of an expansion, forming a simplestar-like phylogeny, with an age of C 24000 years (although the low frequency of theselineages, at again only C 2%, again render anyconclusion extremely tentative). Surprisingly,cluster X also occurs at low frequency amongst native North Americans (Ward et al. 1991;Bandelt et al. 1995; Scozzari et al. 1997). Thismay suggest a common origin with Europeancluster X in the vicinity of the Near East.
Figure 9 of mtdna sequence:
https://s24.postimg.org/wj6l7z7lh/gggg.jpg
Looks like W is mostly Western-Central European in origin. So its generally a Western-Eurasian haplogroup give or take.
If we do the math in respects to W's (mtdna) origin: It should roughly coincide with the late Upper Paleolithic period of Europe with Hunter-gatherers so its safe to assume it is fairly old haplogroup coinciding with the Hunter-gatherers.
http://image.prntscr.com/image/06e92...ad6f0e0197.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Armstrong
here's what comes for mine
funnily enough, if it is actually Jewish, then that makes me a certified Jew because it is passed down through the Mother according to Jewish law.
Obviously mtDNA can be found among all groups but they might be arguing in Europeans it could be Jewish, who knows, I'll read more in full detail, I just thought the fact that this is all that comes up for my mtDNA was hilarious.
If most of your matches are W6a then that may well be your mt subcladeQuote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_W_mtDNA.shtmlQuote:
W6a: found in Russia, Lithuania, Poland and Slovakia
kek, just found out im HIV resistant because I'm U (U and K are the HIV resistant mtDNA groups)
Rollins et al. (2009) examined the association between brain pH and mtDNA alleles. The highest brain pH was found in members of haplogroups U and K. Higher pH confers protection against Parkinson's disease and psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder. Another study by the University of Manchester suggests that a lower brain acidity (i.e. higher pH) has a protective effect against strokes. Research on intelligence point that people with higher IQ tend to have more alkaline brains. Higher pH is associated with better conductivity-transmission between neurons (source).
Hendrickson et al. (2008) studied the role played by mitochondrial function in AIDS progression in HIV-1 infected persons. They found that AIDS progression was slower for members of haplogroups H3, I, K, U, W and X.
so basically U/K = masterrace (more intelligent, resistant to AIDs and Strokes and mental disorders)
Cool. Red rover, red rover come on over and bend overQuote:
Originally Posted by Strasser-ue
pretty convenient for me actually lelQuote:
Originally Posted by Dick
I downloaded it and got an HIV. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin