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I dont see exact but looks like about same distance?
Its interesting how Serbs are closer to Bulgarians, Albanians and Romanians while Croats are closer to Hungarians and Austrians.
Closer to even Albanians from Cleveland?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXMCMxVAHA
Hungars are closer to North Swedes than to Romanians, this is getting interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dema
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Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes
Hes good but Werdum made a critical error going stand up against him. While Verdum is BJJ God, he should have never made such a mistake lol.
It was like giving a free win. Silly Werdum.
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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër
Hungarians are actually linguistically pretty special as they fall under the Finno Ugric language tree and not standard IE one : D
They are a bit of mystery. It must have been some expansion from the North, North East.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...finougrias.png
Vlach and Albanian (Ilyrian/Thracian) admixture which pulls them south. Montenigrins would be the Serbs closest to Albanians. Me and Fustan Seem close to the monteniggers but it's maternally and not j2b. For me it would be from the Kuqi tribe which came from Montenegro. Possibly for fustan too. But he's slightly more north western than me. That blaka Is north eastern. I seem to plot almost in the middle, slightly north but would be better to make a map with only ftdna kits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dema
Many of the montennigers spread into Serbia, vojvodina, Kosovo etc. Would be interesting to see where south Serbs plot. But many of them ended in Northern Serbia.
Tosks I'm guessing are more southern shifted than Ghegs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuVOHtGC6iMQuote:
Originally Posted by Dema
Yes, pre Slavic populations that they mixed with is pulling them toward us from what large part is Vlach and Albanian agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceT
Runnin' ReemQuote:
Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes
http://cdn.scrapdigest.com/wp-conten...9541358_n1.jpg
Depends on an individual. I for example am quite southern shifted compared to average Croats (including those from B&H) so... As a whole maybe.
I'm guessing Dalmatians would plot more south?Quote:
Originally Posted by Woah
They also have the Sumerian theoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Dema
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer%...elm%C3%A9letek
http://www.oocities.org/tmajlath/sumer.gif
Tosks seem to fall between Hila, who is a Tosk, and Leapfrogger, some even where I am, right on the centre of our cluster.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceT
Guess that makes me unique for this calculator atleast xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Skerdilaid
HaHaHa nice found, sounds like identity crisis to me tbh, i dont want to be rude to them, but i would suggest them to leave Sumerian history for J brotherhood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër
I am from Herzegovina. I am for some reason the most southern shifted of all Croat samples I encountered on 23andme (30+ or so).Quote:
Originally Posted by IceT
Can you post your results used for this calc? I get more north sea on this than any other Albanian. If you got fustans kit post his too cos I forgot. What makes that blaka so east I wonder. More east Euro?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skerdilaid
Anyway. I gotta go now. See you later.
Skerdi is in the center like a boss : D
I imagine herzegovinians, south Serbs and Dalmatians would plot closest to Romanians, Bulgarians and Albanians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woah
Could you possibly put yourself in this map or have someone here do it for you ? It's eurogenes k15
I would not expect Hercegovina to plot near Albanian at all. They have like 60 or 70 per cent I2a dinaric, also their mentality is somewhat like Albanian when it comes to mixing. They dont mix even with Serbs or Muslim Bosnjaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceT
Dalmatians and Herzegovinians are more northern shifted than South Serbs from what I have seen on 23andme. Except me of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceT
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...y-23andme-list
Me
23andme
Spoiler!
My two attempts at DnalLand
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I can't find the GSM feature on 23andme. Seems they removed it.:confused: But this is if I remember correctly where I plot, more or less. That black dot done in Paint. I found the pic on the Internet and I have just marked the position. Quite southern.
Spoiler!
Regarding this map, if I remember correctly I have do Eurogenes test, enter data and mark coordinates in Paint or something, no? What is the link?
Wait I think I found that link.
IBD relatedness seems far more accurate. Plots and calculators seems like autistic circlejerking.
I am like half way between Romanian and Serb on that map.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceT
The closest to Albanians are northern Greeks. But probably they would be close to Spanish too.
Dorian through and through (pure Gheg) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër
This just indicates "genetic" sucks.
Why, what did you dislike or disagreed with>?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo
Why CV why??!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dema
He's either saying the calculations they used suck or the very concept of genetics itself sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dema
Due to his exceeding poor English, we may never know what he meant.
It's worth noting he would be absolutely thrilled to find out Spanish were genetically closer to English or Germans.
This indicates that not all PCA plots creates the same results based upon how they weight the axises and what components they use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3815/3...0581b53e_b.jpg
This one shows them closer to Croatians
How could Albanians and Spaniards be genetically close, being Albanians +-40% e1b1 and Spaniards +-70% r1b??Quote:
Originally Posted by Dema
People know perfectly what I meant. You only understand about McDonalds burgers and 1L. ice creams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Etain
haplogroups don't mean shit dude, what the heck are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo
"Spaniards are closer to NW Europeans compared to Romanians"Quote:
Originally Posted by Etain
Cristiano Viejo, 2017
Brits are not NW Europeans and yes, are closer to Brits than to Romanians. Live with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
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Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo
No one said we are genetically close lol. Just seems Albanians plot little closer to Spaniards then Serbs do. But still we are pretty far away.
As you can see on that map.
I know but still does not make too much sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dema
What does not make sense? I would say that Albanians and Serbs plot almost the same from Spaniards. Maybe Albos are little closer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo
Spain plots near Portugal and Cataluna, also not so far from North Italians.
Of course they are. Romanians are in the opposite corner of Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
Delusional people pretending that ANY other Europeans, other than Iberians, are closer to Northwest Europeans than them (even people from European countries located geographically farther away from Northwestern Europe than the Iberian peninsula), must think that Iberians are Africans and not Europeans, lol.