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03-05-2020, 05:40 PM
Leto

Mixed Moldovan Adoptee - Gedmatch

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https://i.imgur.com/lHG9scO.jpg
Adopted from Moscow, Russia. Originally said to be from Moldova but his biological father was allegedly Azerbaijani

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 27.77
2 Baltic 22
3 North_Atlantic 17.45
4 East_Med 15.78
5 West_Med 10.24
6 Red_Sea 2.58
7 Oceanian 1.04
8 Northeast_African 0.83
9 East_Asian 0.79
10 Siberian 0.71
11 Amerindian 0.57
12 South_Asian 0.12
13 Sub-Saharan 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 16.34
2 Romanian 16.93
3 Kumyk 18.01
4 Serbian 19.25
5 Greek_Thessaly 19.36
6 Chechen 19.47
7 Kabardin 19.89
8 Tabassaran 20.16
9 Lezgin 20.34
10 Moldavian 20.59
11 Balkar 21.3
12 Nogay 21.34
13 Central_Greek 21.48
14 Adygei 21.58
15 Italian_Abruzzo 21.58
16 Turkish 22.21
17 North_Ossetian 23.01
18 East_Sicilian 23.15
19 Azeri 23.65
20 Croatian 23.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.3% Serbian + 49.7% Chechen @ 2.61
2 53.6% Romanian + 46.4% Chechen @ 2.8
3 54.8% Croatian + 45.2% Georgian @ 2.88
4 57% Croatian + 43% Abhkasian @ 3.02
5 54.7% Romanian + 45.3% Lezgin @ 3.04
6 51.4% Serbian + 48.6% Lezgin @ 3.12
7 52.9% Serbian + 47.1% Adygei @ 3.15
8 54.5% Bulgarian + 45.5% Chechen @ 3.19
9 56.7% Hungarian + 43.3% Abhkasian @ 3.23
10 50.4% Georgian + 49.6% South_Polish @ 3.25
11 55.6% Bulgarian + 44.4% Lezgin @ 3.27
12 54.6% Serbian + 45.4% North_Ossetian @ 3.33
13 52.8% Adygei + 47.2% Hungarian @ 3.35
14 55.4% Bulgarian + 44.6% Tabassaran @ 3.36
15 58.4% Moldavian + 41.6% Georgian @ 3.36
16 54.5% Hungarian + 45.5% Georgian @ 3.37
17 57.1% Kumyk + 42.9% Croatian @ 3.5
18 60.6% Moldavian + 39.4% Abhkasian @ 3.59
19 57.5% Kumyk + 42.5% Hungarian @ 3.61
20 51.8% South_Polish + 48.2% Abhkasian @ 3.64

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.42
2 North_European 29.42
3 Atlantic_Med 17.01
4 Gedrosia 14.45
5 Southwest_Asian 6.04
6 East_Asian 2.14
7 East_African 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.1
2 Romanians (Behar) 14.34
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.03
4 Greek (Dodecad) 18.42
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.86
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 22.37
7 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.47
8 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.6
9 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 22.68
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.44
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 23.45
12 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.63
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.83
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.95
15 TSI30 (Metspalu) 24.13
16 Turks (Behar) 24.95
17 Lezgins (Behar) 25.15
18 Hungarians (Behar) 25.51
19 N_Italian (Dodecad) 25.53
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 26.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 3.7
2 54% Hungarians (Behar) + 46% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.1
3 53.6% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 46.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.26
4 53.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.1% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4.36
5 61.7% Turks (Behar) + 38.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.54
6 57.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 42.6% German (Dodecad) @ 4.59
7 60.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 39.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 4.71
8 59.5% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 40.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 4.81
9 63.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 4.98
10 52.9% Armenians (Behar) + 47.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.99
11 53.6% Armenian (Dodecad) + 46.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.05
12 62.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 37.8% English (Dodecad) @ 5.08
13 62% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 38% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.08
14 62.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 37.9% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.08
15 68.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 31.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.1
16 63.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.3
17 63.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.6% British (Dodecad) @ 5.33
18 50.6% Turks (Behar) + 49.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.34
19 70.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.34
20 63.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.37

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 31.62
2 NE-Euro 29.85
3 Baloch 15.59
4 Mediterranean 14.94
5 SW-Asian 5.32
6 Beringian 0.71
7 NE-Asian 0.69
8 Pygmy 0.66
9 Papuan 0.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 13.38
2 romanian-a (behar) 14.01
3 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 17.35
4 ashkenazi (harappa) 17.73
5 stalskoe (xing) 17.94
6 tuscan (1000genomes) 19.52
7 tuscan (hgdp) 19.77
8 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 19.86
9 tuscan (hapmap) 20.3
10 nogai (yunusbayev) 20.7
11 urkarah (xing) 21.82
12 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 22.09
13 kumyk (yunusbayev) 23.05
14 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 24.05
15 lezgin (behar) 24.18
16 turk (behar) 24.45
17 italian (hgdp) 24.47
18 chechen (yunusbayev) 24.75
19 romanian-b (behar) 24.96
20 turkmen (yunusbayev) 25.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.7% romanian-a (behar) + 36.3% lezgin (behar) @ 2.95
2 51.2% utahn-white (hapmap) + 48.8% georgian (harappa) @ 2.97
3 52% n-european (xing) + 48% georgian (harappa) @ 3.04
4 50.9% georgian (harappa) + 49.1% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.06
5 61.3% romanian-a (behar) + 38.7% urkarah (xing) @ 3.12
6 56.4% romanian-a (behar) + 43.6% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.18
7 52.2% slovenian (xing) + 47.8% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 3.31
8 53.2% hungarian (behar) + 46.8% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 3.57
9 51.6% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 48.4% georgian (harappa) @ 3.58
10 62.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 37.4% urkarah (xing) @ 3.65
11 50.4% british (1000genomes) + 49.6% georgian (harappa) @ 3.73
12 57.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 42.3% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.76
13 50.9% azeri (harappa) + 49.1% slovenian (xing) @ 3.88
14 50% hungarian (behar) + 50% azeri (harappa) @ 3.93
15 65.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 34.9% lezgin (behar) @ 3.95
16 53.1% slovenian (xing) + 46.9% kurd (xing) @ 4.07
17 60.1% kumyk (yunusbayev) + 39.9% n-european (xing) @ 4.21
18 60.5% kumyk (yunusbayev) + 39.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 4.26
19 54% hungarian (behar) + 46% kurd (xing) @ 4.28
20 59.1% hungarian (behar) + 40.9% georgian (harappa) @ 4.3

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 34.39
2 Caucasian 30.82
3 Mediterranean 23.8
4 SW_Asian 6.1
5 Siberian 1.25
6 Omo_River 1.16
7 Oceanian 1.1
8 S_Indian 0.5
9 Beringian 0.45
10 E_Asian 0.24
11 Horn_Of_Africa 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 13.48
2 Greek_Thessaly 13.94
3 Bosnian 15.6
4 Macedonian 16.6
5 Bulgarian 17.22
6 Romanian 17.65
7 Albanian 17.81
8 Montenegrin 17.83
9 Tuscan 17.98
10 Italian 19.59
11 Serbian 19.69
12 Chechen 19.96
13 Ashkenazy_Jew 21.71
14 Nogai 22.5
15 Sicilian 22.9
16 Kumyk 23.26
17 Croatian 23.26
18 Balkar 23.6
19 Lezgin 23.94
20 Sephardic_Jew 24.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.3% Bosnian + 43.7% Chechen @ 2.57
2 60.7% Bosnian + 39.3% Lezgin @ 2.6
3 57.9% Armenian + 42.1% Lithuanian @ 2.67
4 55.7% Armenian + 44.3% Belarusian @ 2.93
5 55.3% Armenian + 44.7% Karelian @ 3.07
6 54.9% Armenian + 45.1% Russian @ 3.07
7 50% Kumyk + 50% Croatian @ 3.12
8 53.6% Kumyk + 46.4% Austrian @ 3.14
9 60.8% Turk_Istanbul + 39.2% Lithuanian @ 3.17
10 50.4% Serbian + 49.6% Chechen @ 3.28
11 58.6% Turk_Istanbul + 41.4% Belarusian @ 3.36
12 60.2% Bosnian + 39.8% Kumyk @ 3.37
13 59.1% Azerbaijani + 40.9% Lithuanian @ 3.44
14 52.1% Kumyk + 47.9% Hungarian @ 3.46
15 56.3% Armenian + 43.7% Finnish @ 3.47
16 54.3% Serbian + 45.7% Kumyk @ 3.5
17 54.8% Armenian + 45.2% Mordovian @ 3.57
18 53.3% Kumyk + 46.7% Slovenian @ 3.6
19 56.9% Azerbaijani + 43.1% Belarusian @ 3.61
20 59.4% Macedonian + 40.6% Lezgin @ 3.63
03-05-2020, 05:58 PM
Ion Basescul

13 50.9% azeri (harappa) + 49.1% slovenian (xing) @ 3.88
14 50% hungarian (behar) + 50% azeri (harappa) @ 3.93
18 50.6% Turks (Behar) + 49.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.34

Looks about right. His mother has roots in the Northern part of Moldova by the looks of it.
03-05-2020, 06:02 PM
Leto

You can see his 23andme results in the OP.

He scores no South Asian/South Indian and his East Eurasian percentage is also minimal which makes me think his father might have been more like a North Caucasian instead of a typical Azerbaijani.
Does anyone know what kind of haplogroup is that?
03-05-2020, 06:16 PM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

You can see his 23andme results in the OP.

He scores no South Asian/South Indian and his East Eurasian percentage is also minimal which makes me think his father might have been more like a North Caucasian instead of a typical Azerbaijani.
Does anyone know what kind of haplogroup is that?

Why would his East Eurasian percentage be any higher than that? That's normal, considering that most of it gets packaged under Anatolian. Do Azeris score separate East Eurasian? I know that Turks don't for example.
The fact that he inherited 60% Euro, instead of 50% is also normal. He either inherited more segments from his mother, or 23andme needs phasing to show an accurate 50% 50% split.
I personally think that those GEDmatch results that I've shared are quite accurate for his autosomal profile.
03-05-2020, 06:16 PM
WeirdLookingFellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

13 50.9% azeri (harappa) + 49.1% slovenian (xing) @ 3.88
14 50% hungarian (behar) + 50% azeri (harappa) @ 3.93
18 50.6% Turks (Behar) + 49.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.34

Looks about right. His mother has roots in the Northern part of Moldova by the looks of it.

Something tells me this might be more accurate:

50.3% Serbian + 49.7% Chechen @ 2.61
03-05-2020, 06:20 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Why would his East Eurasian percentage be any higher than that? That's normal, considering that most of it gets packaged under Anatolian. Do Azeris score separate East Eurasian? I know that Turks don't for example.
The fact that he inherited 60% Euro, instead of 50% is also normal. He either inherited more segments from his mother, or 23andme needs phasing to show an accurate 50% 50% split.
I personally think that those GEDmatch results that I've shared are quite accurate for his autosomal profile.

I wasn't talking about his 23andme results. On Gedmatch his South Asian is absent and his East Eurasian is negligible. On average Azeris are 7% South_Asian (K13) and 5-7% East Eurasian. He also would have gotten more East Med, I think because Moldovans are at least 10% and Azeris are close to 30%.
03-05-2020, 06:23 PM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I wasn't talking about his 23andme results. On Gedmatch his South Asian is absent and his East Eurasian is negligible. On average Azeris are 7% South_Asian (K13) and 5-7% East Eurasian. He also would have gotten more East Med, I think because Moldovans are at least 10% and Azeris are close to 30%.

Ah, that makes sense. I actually looked at the East Asian and Siberian components on GEDmatch after that and was going to reply that his levels are almost negligible to be detected on 23andme.
Yes, unless there is a regional variation in Azeris and we are missing that gradient in the GEDmatch samples that we have, then perhaps his father is either mixed Azeri or belongs to one of the other 1000 ethnicities from Caucasus.
Good luck finding which one it is.
03-05-2020, 06:28 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Ah, that makes sense. I actually looked at the East Asian and Siberian components on GEDmatch after that and was going to reply that his levels are almost negligible to be detected on 23andme.
Yes, unless there is a regional variation in Azeris and we are missing that gradient in the GEDmatch samples that we have, then perhaps his father is either mixed Azeri or belongs to one of the other 1000 ethnicities from Caucasus.
Good luck finding which one it is.

Well, not as many and they can be easily sorted out by language and geography (NW Caucasus, NE Caucasus, etc.). Azerbaijan's largest ethnic minority is Lezgins, they live mainly in the Northeast of the republic. There is also some Avars in a few Northern villages. Probably his father was part Lezgin or something like that.
03-05-2020, 06:40 PM
Leto

https://i.ibb.co/kqhCJtj/K15V4.png

I wonder if he can be considered white :icon_ask::icon_smile:
03-07-2020, 11:07 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul.vdc

Hey! I’m the one the post is about. I know my mom is Moldovan 100% and my dad is Azerbaijani (90% sure). I think my dad is mixed with Italian or something else and It could be that he’s not azeri.

Hi and welcome!
No, it's very unlikely that your father was mixed with Italian. Those Gedmatch oracles quite clearly show he was some kind of Lezgin or maybe partially Lezgin. There was like 100,000 Lezgins in Azerbaijan back in the 1990s, nothing weird about that.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Lezgin_map.png
03-07-2020, 11:18 PM
Cumansky

^ lol
03-07-2020, 11:20 PM
Cumansky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul.vdc

Hey! I’m the adoptee the post is referring to. Can you explain this picture to me? Thanks!!

Yo Brother your result is like Balkan Turk close to modern Bulgarians Serbs Romanians etc
03-07-2020, 11:21 PM
Pine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Does anyone know what kind of haplogroup is that?

It's 15k years old. Common among Jews and Arabs. Some Azeris have it. It's now known as J-Z2215.
03-07-2020, 11:28 PM
Kyp

Yes definetly looks like half Azeri. But not from Caspian(Baku)-Iranian cline.
My guess is that your father is from northern parts of Azerbaijan or has roots from there.
03-07-2020, 11:30 PM
Zmey Gorynych

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul.vdc

Hey! I’m the adoptee the post is referring to.

I have to call bullshit on this one. Unless Leto told you to join it's a bit of a big coincidence.
03-07-2020, 11:33 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Yes definetly looks like half Azeri. But not from Caspian(Baku)-Iranian cline.
My guess is that your father is from northern parts of Azerbaijan or has roots from there.

Don't you agree with my conclusions? He is obviously different from the mainstream Azerbaijanis. Maybe more like the guy I shared with you the other day.
03-07-2020, 11:38 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Don't you agree with my conclusions? He is obviously different from the mainstream Azerbaijanis. Maybe more like the guy I shared with you the other day.

Maybe those results aren't that uncommon in northern Azerbaijan? We don't have studies on that region nor many samples. His 23and me result looks Azeri (Anatolian + Iranian/Caucasian)
03-07-2020, 11:44 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Maybe those results aren't that uncommon in northern Azerbaijan? We don't have studies on that region nor many samples. His 23and me result looks Azeri (Anatolian + Iranian/Caucasian)

Perhaps. However his Mongoloid is really low and the South Asian is practically absent. Maybe the V5 chip has an influence (fewer SNPs). But I don't think he can understand what that means, too complicated :D
03-07-2020, 11:48 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Perhaps. However his Mongoloid is really low and the South Asian is practically absent. Maybe the V5 chip has an influence (fewer SNPs). But I don't think he can understand what that means, too complicated :D

Mongoloid isn't high in Dagestani Azeris either. Maybe his father is Northern Azerbaijani + Lezgin or something like that. Wouldn't be too uncommon.
03-07-2020, 11:52 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Mongoloid isn't high in Dagestani Azeris either. Maybe his father is Northern Azerbaijani + Lezgin or something like that. Wouldn't be too uncommon.

Yep, exactly my theory. But def. not an Iranian-like Azeri.
03-07-2020, 11:54 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul.vdc

hey! hmm sounds interesting and could be true

Actually I think you do look North Caucasian in that photo. What ethnicities do you get mistaken for usually?
03-08-2020, 12:02 AM
Leto

Why the fuck has that guy been erased?! :confused:
03-08-2020, 12:12 AM
paul.VdC2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Actually I think you do look North Caucasian in that photo. What ethnicities do you get mistaken for usually?

Hey! Euhm so because of my name people usually don't ask me where i'm from because they think I'm Belgian. But I got Moroccan and hispanic most of the times.( this is another account because I was erased for no reason)
03-08-2020, 12:13 AM
paul.VdC2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Why the fuck has that guy been erased?! :confused:

I have no idea, I made another account just to be sure. Maybe people think I lied that I'm the one the post is referring to?
03-08-2020, 12:13 AM
Leto

Yes, I did "invite" him, I created an account on Reddit to help another adopted girl and also linked this thread to the Moldovan adoptee. Don't ban him, he isn't a spammer.
03-08-2020, 12:21 AM
Leto

Updated K13

Target: paul
Distance: 1.8893% / 1.88929571 | ADC: 0.25x
26.4 Chechen
25.2 Bulgarian_Burgas
18.4 Bulgarian_Ruse
18.4 Pomak_Kavala
10.4 Lezgin
1.2 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
03-08-2020, 12:26 AM
Ion Basescul

I think the way to move forward from here, now that you know approximately what you are looking for, is to check the matches on the commercial sites you tested with. Pay attention to the people from Caucasus (should be matches from Russia down to Azerbaijan and Armenia) and see with which matches you get the most shared DNA. Then once you have a couple of candidates, google their surnames and hopefully find what ethnicity they belong to. Maybe you can narrow it down like this.
03-08-2020, 12:26 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Updated K13

Target: paul
Distance: 1.8893% / 1.88929571 | ADC: 0.25x
26.4 Chechen
25.2 Bulgarian_Burgas
18.4 Bulgarian_Ruse
18.4 Pomak_Kavala
10.4 Lezgin
1.2 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi

Unfortunately these modes for mixed people almost never work.
03-08-2020, 12:43 AM
paul.VdC2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I think the way to move forward from here, now that you know approximately what you are looking for, is to check the matches on the commercial sites you tested with. Pay attention to the people from Caucasus (should be matches from Russia down to Azerbaijan and Armenia) and see with which matches you get the most shared DNA. Then once you have a couple of candidates, google their surnames and hopefully find what ethnicity they belong to. Maybe you can narrow it down like this.

Thank you for this, unfortunately the only people who I connect with are less than 0,5% shared dna. The ones from my dad’s side are mostly from Turkey and they share less than 0,20% dna. There are 2-3 people from Azerbaijan, I will check them.
03-08-2020, 12:48 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul.VdC2

Thank you for this, unfortunately the only people who I connect with are less than 0,5% shared dna. The ones from my dad’s side are mostly from Turkey and they share less than 0,20% dna. There are 2-3 people from Azerbaijan, I will check them.

Don't forget to transfer your 23andme raw data to MyHeritage. They have an even larger database of users from Europe, so that increases your chances of finding something. For example, I tested originally on 23andme where I get 1375 relatives as of now, but on MyHeritage that rises to 1940.
03-08-2020, 12:50 AM
paul.VdC2

Mixed Moldovan Adoptee - Gedmatch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Don't forget to transfer your 23andme raw data to MyHeritage. They have an even larger database of users from Europe, so that increases your chances of finding something. For example, I tested originally on 23andme where I get 1375 relatives as of now, but on MyHeritage that rises to 1940.

Is it free? Cuz that would be awesome since I’m only a student. Thank you
03-08-2020, 11:59 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul.VdC2

Is it free? Cuz that would be awesome since I’m only a student. Thank you

I can see that they ask for $29 for that. I don't remember how much it was in Euros.
03-08-2020, 04:13 PM
Lesothio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

https://i.ibb.co/kqhCJtj/K15V4.png

I wonder if he can be considered white :icon_ask::icon_smile:

What do you mean with 'not considered white'. Can you elaborate on that? I'm very interested!!
03-08-2020, 04:25 PM
Sora

@paul.vdC2 Your father is probably not Azeri but rather North Caucasian. Because your results seem so.

Also I'm shocked that you score South Asian in 23andme but no South Asian in Gedmatch. But it must be East Eurasian, since "Central & South Asian" component is mixture of South & East Asian components.
03-08-2020, 05:16 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lesothio

What do you mean with 'not considered white'. Can you elaborate on that? I'm very interested!!

Who are you? Did you register only to ask me this question?
North Caucasians aren't normally considered European, therefore they're not white. Regardless of how light some of them may be. There are light Arabs, Turks, Iranians too.
03-08-2020, 05:34 PM
paul.VdC2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

@paul.vdC2 Your father is probably not Azeri but rather North Caucasian. Because your results seem so.

Also I'm shocked that you score South Asian in 23andme but no South Asian in Gedmatch. But it must be East Eurasian, since "Central & South Asian" component is mixture of South & East Asian components.

Yeah could be, also my maternal haplogroup is D4J, which is common with East Asians (someone told me). Isn't that strange or not?
03-08-2020, 05:39 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

@paul.vdC2 Your father is probably not Azeri but rather North Caucasian. Because your results seem so.

Also I'm shocked that you score South Asian in 23andme but no South Asian in Gedmatch. But it must be East Eurasian, since "Central & South Asian" component is mixture of South & East Asian components.

No that's not true. Dagestani Azeris are different and have different results but they are still Azeri by origin. And I consider them to be fully Azeri. Leto send me a Azerbaijani result from the northern fringe of Azerbaijan couple of days ago and it was similar to Azeris from Dagestan.
03-08-2020, 05:40 PM
paul.VdC2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

https://i.ibb.co/kqhCJtj/K15V4.png

I wonder if he can be considered white :icon_ask::icon_smile:

hey! Can you explain this picture a little further? What does it mean, are these all the populations I'm most likely to be or...?
03-08-2020, 05:44 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul.VdC2

hey! Can you explain this picture a little further? What does it mean, are these all the populations I'm most likely to be or...?

You cluster between Caucasus and Moldavians. Similar to me actually (between German and Azeri)
03-08-2020, 05:59 PM
Kyp

I've tried to model you with these components Azeris, from Dagestan to Iran and Ukrainians + Romanians for your Moldavian ancestry. I included Lezgins to see if you have Lezgin ancestry.

Code:

Azerbaijani,20.81,2.53,0.45,0.58,9.08,9.18,2.66,0.31,12.19,3.6,38.42,0.19 Azerbaijani_Dagestan,24.44,2.3,0.3,0.27,5.31,16.36,1.77,0.04,7.28,1.4,40.5,0.01 Azerbaijani_Iran,21.99,2.58,1.09,0.87,8.14,8.1,2.66,0.37,12.2,2.9,38.98,0.11 Ukranians,0.30,0.80,0.00,0.00,16.30,62.10,0.90,0.00,3.00,0.20,16.40,0.00 Romanians,3.00,0.30,0.00,0.00,24.60,36.00,1.50,0.00,5.90,0.30,28.40,0.00 Lezgins,27.80,1.70,0.00,0.00,0.30,23.80,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.00,45.60,0.00

This is what I got (no close distance unfortunately, but could also be because I got not Moldavian sample):

Target: paul.VdC2
Distance: 4.3094% / 4.30938976
44.2 Romanians
36.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.2 Ukranians
8.4 Azerbaijani

55% Moldavian + 36.2 Azeri from Dagestan + 8.4 Azeri.

My conlusion is your father is either Azeri + Lezgin or he is just an Azerbaijani from close to the northern border.

Here a model with all relevant groups for Azerbaijan:

Code:

Azerbaijani,20.81,2.53,0.45,0.58,9.08,9.18,2.66,0.31,12.19,3.6,38.42,0.19 Azerbaijani_Dagestan,24.44,2.3,0.3,0.27,5.31,16.36,1.77,0.04,7.28,1.4,40.5,0.01 Azerbaijani_Iran,21.99,2.58,1.09,0.87,8.14,8.1,2.66,0.37,12.2,2.9,38.98,0.11 Ukranians,0.30,0.80,0.00,0.00,16.30,62.10,0.90,0.00,3.00,0.20,16.40,0.00 Romanians,3.00,0.30,0.00,0.00,24.60,36.00,1.50,0.00,5.90,0.30,28.40,0.00 Lezgins,27.80,1.70,0.00,0.00,0.30,23.80,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.00,45.60,0.00 Kumyks,20.00,3.90,0.00,0.50,3.10,18.80,0.40,0.00,3.30,3.70,46.30,0.00 Talysh_Azerbaijan,25.5,1.24,0.71,0.32,6.32,7.18,3.21,0.14,12.17,1.2,41.97,0.02 Avar_Dagestan,25.18,2.76,0,0,6.09,25.32,1.19,0,2.06,0.28,37.13,0 Iranian,28.80,2.10,0.00,0.60,5.60,6.00,3.60,0.10,12.40,0.50,40.30,0.00 Armenian_East,18.78,0.24,0.62,0.08,10.82,5.54,0.48,0.02,14.21,0.13,49.01,0 Turk_Anatolia,14.62,5.01,0.96,0.61,12.83,10.75,1.35,0.2,10.92,4.87,37.71,0.09 Russian,2.00,7.30,0.00,0.10,12.10,65.40,1.10,0.00,2.00,0.80,9.20,0.00

Target: paul.VdC2
Distance: 3.6897% / 3.68967012
48.0 Romanians
23.8 Avar_Dagestan
14.8 Iranian
7.8 Ukranians
5.6 Azerbaijani

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