R1a-z93 in Kyrgyz people. Explanation?

Does anybody have an explanation for it?

https://i.imgur.com/TloH2mU.png

Must be the founder effect. The Chinese described the medieval Kirghiz as white, I think they would have gotten Mongolicized with time.

That's where R1a is originally from.
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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Does anybody have an explanation for it?

https://i.imgur.com/TloH2mU.png

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Extremely high frequency of a single Haplogroup, especially if the majority is also downstream to the same clade, usually points to either founder (Elite) or bottle-neck effect.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Does anybody have an explanation for it?

https://i.imgur.com/TloH2mU.png

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This map and the study from which it is from is pure crap. Z2125 peaks among Pashtuns in Central and South Afghanistan. Also there is quite much of it among Tatars, Caucasians and other non-Slavic Russians. It looks like they randomly draw some lines on the map.

Founder effect

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Does anybody have an explanation for it?

https://i.imgur.com/TloH2mU.png

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Probably Iranic. From Scythians/Saka tribes of Central Asia.

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Originally Posted by xripkan

Probably Iranic. From Scythians/Saka tribes of Central Asia.

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Originally Posted by Arhat

This map and the study from which it is from is pure crap. Z2125 peaks among Pashtuns in Central and South Afghanistan. Also there is quite much of it among Tatars, Caucasians and other non-Slavic Russians. It looks like they randomly draw some lines on the map.

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Cry me a river you irano-centrist nationalists! Cry, cry as much as you can for your Turkic Steppe_MLBA daddy! :coffee:
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...-z93-basal.png

Nice greetings from Nepalese Mongoloids :bored:
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...p-r1a-m417.png

Oh, this was so good.

Tocharians

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Tocharians

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No, 666. Lol.

no relation to indo-gypsies.

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Originally Posted by Tanais

No, 666. Lol.

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Why not? Their primary maternal haplogroups are East Asian (like D) so it makes sense that they would be East Asian/mongolic maternally and Tocharian paternally. Outside of their main haplogroups they also have a bunch of mtdna groups at 2-3% indicating that maternally they are primarily East Asian but also with extreme diversity maternally however paternally not diverse (Founder effect) And we know Tocharians who were Indo European therefore R1 also lived there, so combine that with the founder effect and it’s possible

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Why not? Their primary maternal haplogroups are East Asian (like D) so it makes sense that they would be East Asian/mongolic maternally and Tocharian paternally. Outside of their main haplogroups they also have a bunch of mtdna groups at 2-3% indicating that maternally they are primarily East Asian but also with extreme diversity maternally however paternally not diverse (Founder effect) And we know Tocharians who were Indo European therefore R1 also lived there, so combine that with the founder effect and it’s possible

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Not possible because R is mongoloid.

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Originally Posted by Tanais

Not possible because R is mongoloid.

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Originally Posted by Tanais

Not possible because R is mongoloid.

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No more shrooms for that one, he had enough :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Tanais

Cry me a river you irano-centrist nationalists! Cry, cry as much as you can for your Turkic Steppe_MLBA daddy! :coffee:
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...-z93-basal.png

Nice greetings from Nepalese Mongoloids :bored:
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...p-r1a-m417.png

Oh, this was so good.

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Anyone thiking R1a is from Turks or Mongolids needs to go to a doctor. R1a was found in Mesolithic Ukraine and Russia with zero East Asian admix. And Z93 in Sintashta with zero asian admix and was a copy of Corded Ware

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Originally Posted by Arhat

Anyone thiking R1a is from Turks or Mongolids needs to go to a doctor. R1a was found in Mesolithic Ukraine and Russia with zero East Asian admix. And Z93 in Sintashta with zero asian admix and was a copy of Corded Ware

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R being Mongoloid was actually a provocative joke. They were just Turks. Are you fine with that? But you have to admit Nepal is a great Mongol country though.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Does anybody have an explanation for it?

https://i.imgur.com/TloH2mU.png

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Sorry, your paternal line is from Azerbaidjan or from Germany?

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Why not? Their primary maternal haplogroups are East Asian (like D) so it makes sense that they would be East Asian/mongolic maternally and Tocharian paternally. Outside of their main haplogroups they also have a bunch of mtdna groups at 2-3% indicating that maternally they are primarily East Asian but also with extreme diversity maternally however paternally not diverse (Founder effect) And we know Tocharians who were Indo European therefore R1 also lived there, so combine that with the founder effect and it’s possible

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If I'm not mistaken, Tocharians are actually R1b, not R1a. I think there is a greater possibility of them being Iranian/Scythian rather than Tocharian.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Sorry, your paternal line is from Azerbaidjan or from Germany?

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Azerbaijan

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Azerbaijan

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I am also Z2125 suposedly, but my paternal side is form Andalucía, Spain, I cannot guess how r1a- Z2125 ended there. Before this subclade I was M417.

My Z2125 comes from this man, could you see in he some Azerbaidjan vibe?

Spoiler!

https://i.imgur.com/bTB7GCB.jpg

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Originally Posted by gixajo

I am also Z2125 suposedly, but my paternal side is form Andalucía, Spain, I cannot guess how r1a- Z2125 ended there. Before this subclade I was M417.

My Z2125 comes from this man, could you see in he some Azerbaidjan vibe?

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To be honest yes. But he could also be just Spanish.

Is there anything atypical in your autosomal results showing?

Also R1a is not the most common among Azeris too. (I think it's ranked as 4th most common for Azeris)

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

To be honest yes. But he could also be just Spanish.

Is there anything atypical in your autosomal results showing?

Also R1a is not the most common among Azeris too. (I think it's ranked as 4th most common for Azeris)

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Nope, I don´t see anything too strange being Spanish in my autosomal results.Probably this haplo was in the Iberian peninsula from ancient times, and the genetic heritage in autosomal Dna is very diluted since centuries.

Anyway, I maintain r1a-M417 because it´s sure that I am this Haplotype.I can post you the prediction of Z2125 if you want.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Nope, I don´t see anything too strange being Spanish in my autosomal results.Probably this haplo was in the Iberian peninsula from ancient times, and the genetic heritage in autosomal Dna is very diluted since centuries.

Anyway, I maintain r1a-M417 because it´s sure that I am this Haplotype.I can post you the prediction of Z2125 if you want.

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Have you tried this tool too?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ediction/page4

Sure PM me or post here

A stranded group of Scythians got Turkicized.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

To be honest yes. But he could also be just Spanish.

Is there anything atypical in your autosomal results showing?

Also R1a is not the most common among Azeris too. (I think it's ranked as 4th most common for Azeris)

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This was my last prediction, made with raw data from Myheritage in this predictor https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ :

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Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-Z2125 Link to R-Z2125 on YFull View theoretical migration on PhyloGeographer

R-Z2125 Z2125+
┣━R-S23592 +1 S23592($) YP349($)
┣━R-YP413 +1 YP413/M12301($)
┗━R-Z2123 +5 Z2123($)

Available Panels
R1a-Z93 Panel Predicted R-Z2125 is downstream of the panel root. This panel may be applicable if it tests subclades below R-Z2125. Please verify and check with YSEQ customer support.


Next best prediction (scored 354 compared to 355) R-Z645

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And the first prediction was this one, in Morley´s predictor:

https://i.imgur.com/QFk4lfp.png
https://i.imgur.com/uoBt4tn.png

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Originally Posted by gixajo

This was my last prediction, made with raw data from Myheritage in this predictor https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ :



And the first prediction was this one, in Morley´s predictor:

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Looks similar to my results I also get only basic R1a with Morley and R1a-z2125 with cladefinder. My next best prediction is R-Z645 too.

https://i.imgur.com/gCX3dF9.jpg

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Nope, I don´t see anything too strange being Spanish in my autosomal results.Probably this haplo was in the Iberian peninsula from ancient times, and the genetic heritage in autosomal Dna is very diluted since centuries.

Anyway, I maintain r1a-M417 because it´s sure that I am this Haplotype.I can post you the prediction of Z2125 if you want.

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Z93 exists in Spain and mostly comes from Alans/Sarmatians but some also from Jews or Arabs (they are low in it but still carry it). Where you got the prediction results?

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Looks similar to my results I also get only basic R1a with Morley and R1a-z2125 with cladefinder. My next best prediction is R-Z645 too.

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I will have my father autosomal test results in some weeks, maybe in his results I will can see more about his ancestry, but I am sure that his haplogroup is quite ancient and he will be a quite normal Andalusian form North West Andalucía.

I will make also a 23andme test , but probably they will not give me any more accurate subclade.

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Originally Posted by Arhat

Z93 exists in Spain and mostly comes from Alans/Sarmatians but some also from Jews or Arabs (they are low in it but still carry it). Where you got the prediction results?

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Morley and Yseq, from MyHeritage raw data newest chip.

In Spain any r1a is quite strange, about 1.2% in all Spain, and 6.5% in Cantabria region, specifically in a valley called Pas (pasiegos) who have aroun 35% r1a, that is an isolated group of people who have very strange haplogroups comparing with the rest of Iberian peninsula. But I have not any (known) familiar link with that valley.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Morley and Yseq, from MyHeritage raw data newest chip.

In Spain any r1a is quite strange, about 1.2% in all Spain, and 6.5% in Cantabria region, specifically in a valley called Pas (pasiegos) who have aroun 35% r1a, that is an isolated group of people who have very strange haplogroups comparing with the rest of Iberian peninsula. But I have not any (known) familiar link with that valley.

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Theoretically your R1a could also come from Celts who were in Central Europe in contact with Scythians. R1a-Z2125 exists in low frequencies also in Britain, Germany and most of Europe but today it is most frequent among Pashtuns, Kyrgyz and Tatars. But ultimately your R1a-Z2125 is from Proto-Iranics/Sintashta

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Morley and Yseq, from MyHeritage raw data newest chip.

In Spain any r1a is quite strange, about 1.2% in all Spain, and 6.5% in Cantabria region, specifically in a valley called Pas (pasiegos) who have aroun 35% r1a, that is an isolated group of people who have very strange haplogroups comparing with the rest of Iberian peninsula. But I have not any (known) familiar link with that valley.

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Theoretically your R1a could also come from Celts who were in Central Europe in contact with Scythians. R1a-Z2125 exists in low frequencies also in Britain, Germany and most of Europe but today it is most frequent among Pashtuns, Kyrgyz and Tatars. But ultimately your R1a-Z2125 is from Proto-Iranics/Sintashta

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Originally Posted by gixajo

This was my last prediction, made with raw data from Myheritage in this predictor https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ :



And the first prediction was this one, in Morley´s predictor:

https://i.imgur.com/QFk4lfp.png
https://i.imgur.com/uoBt4tn.png

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Your clade is Scythian /Sarmatian/Alan. Visigoths absorbed many Sarmatians from Northern Balkans before they move to Spain. Alans also settled to Spain.
My final clade (R-YP4768<R-Z2122) is Alan-Sarmatian and it exists in various areas of Europe. Cantabria of Spain is one of them.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

I am also Z2125 suposedly, but my paternal side is form Andalucía, Spain, I cannot guess how r1a- Z2125 ended there. Before this subclade I was M417.

My Z2125 comes from this man, could you see in he some Azerbaidjan vibe?

Spoiler!

https://i.imgur.com/bTB7GCB.jpg

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He could also pass as typical Bashkir or Tatar.

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Originally Posted by Arhat

Z93 exists in Spain and mostly comes from Alans/Sarmatians but some also from Jews or Arabs (they are low in it but still carry it). Where you got the prediction results?

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Just to get this straight. We are talking about a Turkic marker.

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Originally Posted by Arhat

Theoretically your R1a could also come from Celts who were in Central Europe in contact with Scythians. R1a-Z2125 exists in low frequencies also in Britain, Germany and most of Europe but today it is most frequent among Pashtuns, Kyrgyz and Tatars. But ultimately your R1a-Z2125 is from Proto-Iranics/Sintashta

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Sintashta has no Iranian connection. It's a Volga-Turkic gene pool, also known as Steppe_MLBA. Stop claiming Turkic genes for your agenda.

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Originally Posted by Tanais

Sintashta has no Iranian connection. It's a Volga-Turkic gene pool, also known as Steppe_MLBA. Stop claiming Turkic genes for your agenda.

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Sintashta is said to have been the proto-Indo-Iranic culture. And they were pretty much European racially.

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Originally Posted by Tanais

Sintashta has no Iranian connection. It's a Volga-Turkic gene pool, also known as Steppe_MLBA. Stop claiming Turkic genes for your agenda.

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Thanks for revealing the truth to us. I guess it is just coincidence that Sintashta lacked Turkic dna, was caucasoid, shared R1a with Corded Ware, clustered with North Europeans and had his material culture borrowed from Corded Ware. Or maybe this is a conspiracy by people who are jealous on Turks and their "great" contributions to civilization.

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Originally Posted by Arhat

Thanks for revealing the truth to us. I guess it is just coincidence that Sintashta lacked Turkic dna, was caucasoid, shared R1a with Corded Ware, clustered with North Europeans and had his material culture borrowed from Corded Ware. Or maybe this is a conspiracy by people who are jealous on Turks and their "great" contributions to civilization.

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Carlos Quiles made an autosomal dna map. Get lost, looser. You can't claim other races dna anymore. Stay home in Jalalabad, where you belong to. Oh, wait. Dna maps are also conspiracy? See it? You lost your mind on this subject, because you are an indoctrinated looser. And indoctrinated people always suffer from delusion. Do you need any calm down pills now?